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October 24th, 2022 at 1:25:25 PM permalink
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World Health Organization has announced the end of the COVID-19 pandemic is in sight.
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Ever since we got our most recent bivalent booster shots in September 2022, we stopped wearing masks for the most part, not at events, not at concerts, not at restaurants, not at the gym, not in public. I have played a little bit of poker and when I do that, surrounded by so many players in close proximity, I do wear a mask, but otherwise not at all not at the tables not anywhere in the casino.
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October 24th, 2022 at 2:06:54 PM permalink
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World Health Organization has announced the end of the COVID-19 pandemic is in sight.
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Yes, its in sight, but only in the rear view mirror.
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November 15th, 2022 at 11:27:04 PM permalink
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November 29th, 2022 at 8:17:06 PM permalink
News outlets are reporting that there are now more COVID deaths among vaccinated people than among the unvaccinated.

People who don't understand the math (and there are lots of them) think this means that vaccination makes it more likely that you'll die of COVID, and they're screaming all over Twitter and elsewhere about it.

One of the reasons that more vaxxed than untaxed die of COVID is that way more people have been vaxxed in the first place. Here's an example with made-up numbers:

1000 people
90% get vaxxed (900)
10% don't get vaxxed (100)
COVID kills 20% of the vaxxed people (180)
and 80% of the unvaxxed (80)


COVID killed more vaxxed people in this example simply because more of them got vaxxed, not b/c vaccinations causes death. In the example, unvaxxed people were four times as likely to die from COVID as vaxxed people.

Similarly, years ago a reader screamed at me when I wrote that riding a bicycle against traffic is dangerous and that something like 20% of bicyclist fatalities were people who rode the wrong way. He concluded that my figure meant that 80% of fatalities were from people who rode in the "correct" direction (with traffic), therefore "any idiot" could see that riding in the "correct" direction was way more dangerous than riding in the wrong direction. Same kind of misunderstanding.
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November 29th, 2022 at 9:43:49 PM permalink
I understand that infection rates are at record levels in China, which is in turn roiling stock markets including in the U.S. However, in Vegas I don't really think about Covid much anymore, or in California. I do think about it a little after a public event like a concert, but then when it turns out that we are fine and didn't catch anything, I go back to not thinking about Covid much again.

We actually both had colds in Vegas some weeks ago - just colds, I was PCR tested twice (Covid negative), which maybe if I and everyone around me had kept masking we would not have gotten sick.
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November 30th, 2022 at 6:53:00 AM permalink
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News outlets are reporting that there are now more COVID deaths among vaccinated people than among the unvaccinated.

People who don't understand the math (and there are lots of them) think this means that vaccination makes it more likely that you'll die of COVID, and they're screaming all over Twitter and elsewhere about it.



It does make me wonder why I should get the vax?

Flaw here is we do not know how many people are unvaxed. While I doubt that the vax makes you more likely to die, I wonder how much it improves your chances. My mother and her sister are vaxed, they both caught it. I am unvaxed and don't mask, I have not.
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November 30th, 2022 at 7:17:50 AM permalink
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News outlets are reporting that there are now more COVID deaths among vaccinated people than among the unvaccinated.

People who don't understand the math (and there are lots of them) think this means that vaccination makes it more likely that you'll die of COVID, and they're screaming all over Twitter and elsewhere about it.



It does make me wonder why I should get the vax?

Flaw here is we do not know how many people are unvaxed. While I doubt that the vax makes you more likely to die, I wonder how much it improves your chances. My mother and her sister are vaxed, they both caught it. I am unvaxed and don't mask, I have not.
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First of all, you may have caught it and been asymptomatic.
Or just had mild symptoms which you ignored.

AZ, you can post Ďit does make me wonder why I should get the vaxí as often as you want. You can post as many anecdotes as you want.

None of which changes the facts that all other factors being equal, you are way less likely to die from COVID if you are vaxxed than if you are not. Itís really simple.
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November 30th, 2022 at 8:16:48 AM permalink
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Quote: MichaelBluejay

News outlets are reporting that there are now more COVID deaths among vaccinated people than among the unvaccinated.

People who don't understand the math (and there are lots of them) think this means that vaccination makes it more likely that you'll die of COVID, and they're screaming all over Twitter and elsewhere about it.



It does make me wonder why I should get the vax?

Flaw here is we do not know how many people are unvaxed. While I doubt that the vax makes you more likely to die, I wonder how much it improves your chances. My mother and her sister are vaxed, they both caught it. I am unvaxed and don't mask, I have not.
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First of all, you may have caught it and been asymptomatic.
Or just had mild symptoms which you ignored.



I probably had it March of 2020. I managed to almost die of other things since, but doubt I have had the virus.

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AZ, you can post Ďit does make me wonder why I should get the vaxí as often as you want. You can post as many anecdotes as you want.

None of which changes the facts that all other factors being equal, you are way less likely to die from COVID if you are vaxxed than if you are not. Itís really simple.
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Yet still the vaxed fear the unvaxed. The more I hear about vaxed people getting it the more I question it. Meantime this whole virus thing has been a disturbing lesson in human nature..
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November 30th, 2022 at 9:23:03 AM permalink
The vaccine isnít supposed to prevent you from GETTING Covid, itís supposed to reduce your chances of dying if you do get it.

It actually *does* reduce your chances of getting it, but not nearly as much as it reduces mortality.

And effectiveness fades fast. Only 11% of people got the latest booster, so the mortality % is rising.
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November 30th, 2022 at 9:29:54 AM permalink
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The vaccine isnít supposed to prevent you from GETTING Covid, itís supposed to reduce your chances of dying if you do get it.

It actually *does* reduce your chances of getting it, but not nearly as much as it reduces mortality.

And effectiveness fades fast. Only 11% of people got the latest booster, so the mortality % is rising.
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And that all sums up why I am not seeing the risk/reward benefit. Saying I will still get sick and if I do not keep getting shots they will quickly wear off is not going to close the sale with me.
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