Coronavirus math

BREAKING: Illinois is currently exploring the possibility of purchasing Covid-19 vaccines in bulk straight from manufacturers to make sure everyone will still have access.

New Mexico has issued a public health order that removes federal restrictions to COVID-19 vaccine access so that pharmacies in New Mexico can vaccinate people of all ages and risk profiles.

In NY you can walk into a pharmacy and get the vaccines discussed here without a prescription. I didn’t pay anything, but I’m pretty sure the pharmacy did bill my insurance company. I do get a pretty sore arm, so I plan on getting jabbed on Thursday after golf, since for other reasons I won’t be golfing Friday.

Nope, the system is down, even for doctors. Might want to try NJ or Ohio. It's only been down a couple days. It will take some massive intervention to get it back running again at the state level. New England states may be working on something.

I'm not going to get too antsy about it, give it a month or so, see if the states can undo some of the damage so I can get a shot in October.

In the past two years, two people I knew who were being treated in the hospital for pre-existing health conditions, died from Covid when they were infected with it in the hospital.

They were vaccinated during the pandemic, but the resistance wore off.

Had they been current with their vaccines, they might be alive today.

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In NY you can walk into a pharmacy and get the vaccines discussed here without a prescription. I didn’t pay anything, but I’m pretty sure the pharmacy did bill my insurance company. I do get a pretty sore arm, so I plan on getting jabbed on Thursday after golf, since for other reasons I won’t be golfing Friday.
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Florida is now more limited, as CVS has backed out. I'll be interested to see the stats after a couple years between the states with more restrictions. Unfortunately, I don't know how much to trust the accuracy of the data any longer.

Here in Nevada apparently not available at CVS, even with a prescription. Will have to wait until back in California.

How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.

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How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.
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Do you want to know how they really addressed the Black Death in medieval Europe? Kill off all the dogs and cats, and then, that time-tested European panacea- blame the Jews!

No one knew anything about disinfection then because no one knew about infection and the character of infectious disease. Sprinkle holy water on it, that was their idea of disinfection. There would be no natural science for a couple of centuries yet and alchemists and empirics were considered the most learned men in their society, along with clergy. No one would take antisepsis seriously until Semmelweis in the 19th century told doctors to wash their hands before touching any patient that you want to live, and most of them told him to drop dead, their hands aren't dirty like some chimney sweep's, they're doctors!

Those common beliefs about dirtiness, disease and contagion are ancient and arise not from scientific inquiry but from the human id, and are ultimately a reflection of how we feel about our neighbors and the world around us.

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How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.
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I doubt anyone was doing much disinfecting.
Nosegays might have had some minimal effect, but scalding utensils and washing hands with soap seem unlikely.

Then again, I'm not that old, so...

When the Black Death invaded Ireland, it first broke out in the Norman-dominated cities, which were overcrowded and unsanitary. Gaelic people fled to the countryside and watched as a third of the Norman male population died or was incapacitated. Their army was in shambles, with no expectations of help from England.
When the disease ran its course, the threat of a unified Gaelic force compelled the Normans to make numerous concessions, resulting in generations of peaceful coexistence and considerable intermarriage.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

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How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.
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I doubt anyone was doing much disinfecting.
Nosegays might have had some minimal effect, but scalding utensils and washing hands with soap seem unlikely.

Then again, I'm not that old, so...
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None of that would help either. Yersinia pestis spread by rat fleas. Without effective pest control, sanitation and the really strong rat poisons they eventually started using, there's no way to eliminate it.

Being dogs and cats will make rats keep away, killing them off surely made it worse.

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How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.
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I doubt anyone was doing much disinfecting.
Nosegays might have had some minimal effect, but scalding utensils and washing hands with soap seem unlikely.

Then again, I'm not that old, so...
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None of that would help either. Yersinia pestis spread by rat fleas. Without effective pest control, sanitation and the really strong rat poisons they eventually started using, there's no way to eliminate it.

Being dogs and cats will make rats keep away, killing them off surely made it worse.
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The cats were stealing peoples souls. People preferred dying to becoming a soul-less cat person. Who wouldn't?

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How did they prevent the Black Death?
Social Distancing and Quarantine Were Used in Medieval Times to Fight the Black Death. Way back in the 14th century, public health officials didn't understand bacteria or viruses, but they understood the importance of keeping a distance and disinfecting.
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I doubt anyone was doing much disinfecting.
Nosegays might have had some minimal effect, but scalding utensils and washing hands with soap seem unlikely.

Then again, I'm not that old, so...
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None of that would help either. Yersinia pestis spread by rat fleas. Without effective pest control, sanitation and the really strong rat poisons they eventually started using, there's no way to eliminate it.

Being dogs and cats will make rats keep away, killing them off surely made it worse.
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I just read that covid is spreading again in California so rapidly that they are considering a mask mandate again, like masks do any good. They are a joke. A couple of the really expensive ones work but nobody has them. And the ones they do have nobody knows how to use even if they did work.

Casinos going to check body temperatures at the front door again soon?

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In NY you can walk into a pharmacy and get the vaccines discussed here without a prescription. I didn’t pay anything, but I’m pretty sure the pharmacy did bill my insurance company. I do get a pretty sore arm, so I plan on getting jabbed on Thursday after golf, since for other reasons I won’t be golfing Friday.
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I can assure you they billed your insurance and probably got some other kind of bonus.

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Casinos going to check body temperatures at the front door again soon?
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They gave up on that very quickly. Same for the handwashing stations. It didn't anger enough people.

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Casinos going to check body temperatures at the front door again soon?
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I got checked before working a poker home game. Had been outside in the cold, my temp was about 90F with one of those readers. Might have been SP said it that was my temp my doctor would have been Dr. Cryill Wecht.

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I just read that covid is spreading again in California so rapidly that they are considering a mask mandate again, like masks do any good. They are a joke. A couple of the really expensive ones work but nobody has them. And the ones they do have nobody knows how to use even if they did work.
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Well now, they "work," all right. But not for anything to do with a virus.

The first thing they did was jack the crime rate up, by making it normal and non-suspicious to be walking around with a mask on. Crime is a valuable tool they can work with, because he who controls the local police also controls where crime is and is not, and thus controls property values. Just imagine how wealthy you could become if you, or your crony, could make the properties you want to buy unbearable due to crime and urban decay, and then turn on a dime and make them upscale uptown utopias once you have bought and developed them. That's what they did.

The next and probably most important way they work is by affecting self-perception and perception of those around you. You feel deindividualized and dehumanized when you wear one, and feel that way about others you see wearing them. That affects the way you behave, the way you treat others, and how much indignity you are willing to have heaped upon yourself. The masks might have actually been part of the payload of the scam rather than just an effect. We also saw an obvious hierarchy, in public events, press gaggles and all that, of who was expected to wear a mask and who was not. The "important" people were the only ones allowed to show their faces. The social rank associated with mask-wearing was such a big deal that prominent people in the ruling class, those most insistent that everyone below them wear masks, were frequently, accidentally-on-purpose "caught" in prestigious and upscale environments not wearing them. This I dubbed "mendacity signaling"- a message to their social peers to make sure everyone knew they didn't really believe in the masks and had no intention on imposing them for any reason other than a psy-op against the general public.

So much I observed and learned about people and their ways! That's never been the strongest part of my education; I can do words and numbers and physical constructs, but individual and group psychology, never did much thinking about it until then.

This educational adventure of mine started early in 2020, when people were just starting up with the masks. I'm on line in a convenience store, and there was this young masked couple ahead of me. Now I never wore a mask. And they started berating me, "endangering our lives," "so inconsiderate," etc.

Now I have a second language- I can speak fluent Thug! Comes in handy sometimes. And I just smiled and told them: "Don't [intercourse] with me."

They kept running on with it, and I knew what I had to do. I said to the guy: "It's really going to hurt, and you'll be screaming like a [female dog] in front of the girl. So don't [intercourse] with me." Now they are paying attention! "Oh what a horrible person! You're hateful! You're violent!" as they shrink away.

But then when it is their turn at the cash register- they are buying cigarettes! They were of an age where they have had what cigarettes will do to you drilled into them from an early age. They weren't worried about their health, they just wanted to pick on somebody, and what they had been seeing on the TV gave them social permission to do it. Wearing those masks were like wearing police badges, to them. Or maybe like clerical collars.

And then driving away, I was thinking about it- wait- wasn't I doing the same thing? I enjoyed pouring out my himsa, my violence, on these people who didn't expect it and could not effectively respond to it and making them cringe. I was indulging myself by being an aggressive primate, and so were they, because we all have that instinct. They were just expressing it in a feminized, establishment way while I was doing it in a way particular to antiestablishment males. That became a valuable warning to me over what I would experience for the next couple of years- people are being bad, don't you be as bad or worse! You and any others you are in conflict with are feeding off one another. Observe, analyze, make rational decisions instead, and you will always have an advantage over those who do not.

Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.

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Here in Nevada apparently not available at CVS, even with a prescription. Will have to wait until back in California.
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Although we won't be back in CA for a while, I already made the appts for both the new coronavirus vaccine (Pfizer) and flu, for both of us. I simply checked the box stating that we have some high-risk health condition that warrants that we should get it, done, that's all there was to it. She's quite young so age wasn't a factor, and I'm well below the age that would make a difference anyway, I think you have to be over 65 or some such to get it automatically.

Yes we have insurance on file, but I think getting the new coronavirus vaccine easily depends on the state.

My new doctor left the building and moved to new digs and sent me a letter saying she wanted $297 for the next visit. Maybe she lost my insurance information and I have to reinput it at the office; or she's no longer taking my insurance. The price per visit is over 50% higher than before.
I woke up with a fever so I've got to take stock of my cold medicines and make a run to the pharmacy and blow a lot of money since I haven't been there in years.

The NYS Governor just signed an Executive Order allowing COVID shots at pharmacies but I'm not sure if insurance will cover it yet. It's breaking news and I'm waiting for more publication.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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I kind of miss going to Walmart and seeing everybody wearing a mask and half of them wearing it wrong. It either had huge gaps in the side but mostly it was over their mouth but not their nose. It makes you want to laugh out loud but that's probably a good way to get stabbed.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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I kind of miss going to Walmart and seeing everybody wearing a mask and half of them wearing it wrong. It either had huge gaps in the side but mostly it was over their mouth but not their nose. It makes you want to laugh out loud but that's probably a good way to get stabbed.
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I intentionally did not put it over my nose, too hard to breathe. Some Karen yelled at me. She whined she "was in a high risk group." Meanwhile she was on masks but ignored the then one-way aisles. I said "have a nice day, Karen" as I left. I forget what I told her about how much I cared.

It was a lesson how some people saw no use and some thought going without a mask was the end of the world. Useless they were and are, but some people will mask up as soon as told.

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My new doctor left the building and moved to new digs and sent me a letter saying she wanted $297 for the next visit. Maybe she lost my insurance information and I have to reinput it at the office; or she's no longer taking my insurance. The price per visit is over 50% higher than before.
I woke up with a fever so I've got to take stock of my cold medicines and make a run to the pharmacy and blow a lot of money since I haven't been there in years.

The NYS Governor just signed an Executive Order allowing COVID shots at pharmacies but I'm not sure if insurance will cover it yet. It's breaking news and I'm waiting for more publication.
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Your doctor probably opened or joined a concierge practice, promising to deliver healthcare in a new way, blah blah blah. She's collecting her fee from you for the privilege of having same day appointments, 24 hour on call access, blah blah blah, AND still billing your insurance. Or, she no longer takes your insurance.

Due to rising cases of COVID, increased and expanded access to the vax is warranted.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.

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My new doctor left the building and moved to new digs and sent me a letter saying she wanted $297 for the next visit. Maybe she lost my insurance information and I have to reinput it at the office; or she's no longer taking my insurance. The price per visit is over 50% higher than before.
I woke up with a fever so I've got to take stock of my cold medicines and make a run to the pharmacy and blow a lot of money since I haven't been there in years.

The NYS Governor just signed an Executive Order allowing COVID shots at pharmacies but I'm not sure if insurance will cover it yet. It's breaking news and I'm waiting for more publication.
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Your doctor probably opened or joined a concierge practice, promising to deliver healthcare in a new way, blah blah blah. She's collecting her fee from you for the privilege of having same day appointments, 24 hour on call access, blah blah blah, AND still billing your insurance. Or, she no longer takes your insurance.

Due to rising cases of COVID, increased and expanded access to the vax is warranted.
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Concierge doctors in NY usually get a retainer in the twenty grand range.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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I kind of miss going to Walmart and seeing everybody wearing a mask and half of them wearing it wrong. It either had huge gaps in the side but mostly it was over their mouth but not their nose. It makes you want to laugh out loud but that's probably a good way to get stabbed.
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I intentionally did not put it over my nose, too hard to breathe. Some Karen yelled at me. She whined she "was in a high risk group." Meanwhile she was on masks but ignored the then one-way aisles. I said "have a nice day, Karen" as I left. I forget what I told her about how much I cared.

It was a lesson how some people saw no use and some thought going without a mask was the end of the world. Useless they were and are, but some people will mask up as soon as told.
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It was difficult not to notice the correlation between wanting to wear a mask, and being a woman whose lot in life will be better if her face is not being compared to that of other women. Sad but true. We are all judged by our appearance, now and again.

I think they're trotting it out now to try to spook the markets after this announcement of the discontinuation of the vaccines. That's a principle every con man knows- keep going back to the same marks you have gotten over on before. What it is about them that made them your marks to begin with probably hasn't changed, and the people you couldn't get over on probably didn't change either. Now just watch- the non-serious financial sites like Yahoo and Newsweek will do their part and start spinning every bit of financial news that can be interpreted as negative as due to fear of these viruses, the markets will dip, and the insiders are already positioned to take advantage of that. That's how all these people got filthy rich. It isn't their intelligence, and it isn't their work ethic.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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If someone said this they don't know what they are talking about...including those who repeat it.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
link to original post

No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
link to original post

No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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If someone said this they don't know what they are talking about...including those who repeat it.
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It is simple logic.

Since the vax I have known several vaxed people who caught the virus. Nobody unvaxed I know has gotten it since. Anecdotal, sure. But tells me that the vax is not effective enough to justify the risk the way I calculate it. You and everyone else is free to make your own personal calculations. What I don't do is wish for people to get sick based on their choice. I am above that kind if thinking.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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YOU said you want people to get sick, not me.

I don't want people to get sick.

I do want people to have freedom of choice to vax or not.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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YOU said you want people to get sick, not me.

I don't want people to get sick.

I do want people to have freedom of choice to vax or not.
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That freedom of choice is also the freedom to get sick. Have at it!

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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If someone said this they don't know what they are talking about...including those who repeat it.
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It is simple logic.

Since the vax I have known several vaxed people who caught the virus. Nobody unvaxed I know has gotten it since. Anecdotal, sure. But tells me that the vax is not effective enough to justify the risk the way I calculate it. You and everyone else is free to make your own personal calculations. What I don't do is wish for people to get sick based on their choice. I am above that kind if thinking.
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Simple logic, or simpleton logic?

And if I were to tell you I have anecdotal evidence of the opposite being true, what would you say?

And now we are back to this: What credentials do you have to make that conclusion? And what peer reviewed evidence do you have to support your statement? Because people who are MUCH smarter than you are on the subject say something different.And of the two groups, they are correct.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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YOU said you want people to get sick, not me.

I don't want people to get sick.

I do want people to have freedom of choice to vax or not.
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Yoy saud right here. "No vax No problem." Make up your mind.

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No vax. No problem. ]Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
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That freedom of choice is also the freedom to get sick. Have at it!
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Thank you. Your commitment to individual liberty is noted and appreciated.

Hey, is everybody here up to date on their monkeypox shots? What, don't you remember monkeypox? I took that very personally. Yeah yeah, blame the monkey.

I remember when they were flogging that, trying to see if it had legs enough where they could take another shot. Alarming headline: "Massive monkeypox outbreak at event on Cape Cod."

But they gave too much info to start: let slip it was all males. Then people started wondering- "Eh, what town on Cape Cod? Ohhh... that one. I see. And what kind of event was it? Of course, that kind. Are there any other kind, in that town?"

At least for that one, the masks were found to be effective. But you have to wear two of them and keep them on at all times... below the waist... one in front... one in back!

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
link to original post

If someone said this they don't know what they are talking about...including those who repeat it.
link to original post

It is simple logic.

Since the vax I have known several vaxed people who caught the virus. Nobody unvaxed I know has gotten it since. Anecdotal, sure. But tells me that the vax is not effective enough to justify the risk the way I calculate it. You and everyone else is free to make your own personal calculations. What I don't do is wish for people to get sick based on their choice. I am above that kind if thinking.
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Simple logic, or simpleton logic?

And if I were to tell you I have anecdotal evidence of the opposite being true, what would you say?

I would not care what you said.

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And now we are back to this: What credentials do you have to make that conclusion? And what peer reviewed evidence do you have to support your statement? Because people who are MUCH smarter than you are on the subject say something different.And of the two groups, they are correct.
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Yes, we are back to this is an internet forum, not an academic conference. You are free to believe who you want to believe. I do not really care. That you went out and got the vax because you were told to do so does not matter to me. I prefer to look at the big picture. Look at who's interest is saying to get it. All the money involved. And that the people with it are afraid of people who do not have it. I look at all that and use my own brain to make a decision.

You prefer to listen to "experts" have at it. I do not really care. That does not change the fact that this is an open forum where there is no academic requirement to post.

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That freedom of choice is also the freedom to get sick. Have at it!
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Thank you. Your commitment to individual liberty is noted and appreciated.

Hey, is everybody here up to date on their monkeypox shots? What, don't you remember monkeypox? I took that very personally. Yeah yeah, blame the monkey.

I remember when they were flogging that, trying to see if it had legs enough where they could take another shot. Alarming headline: "Massive monkeypox outbreak at event on Cape Cod."

But they gave too much info to start: let slip it was all males. Then people started wondering- "Eh, what town on Cape Cod? Ohhh... that one. I see. And what kind of event was it? Of course, that kind. Are there any other kind, in that town?"

What is he talking about?

Those not from New England might not be familiar; on Cape Cod is a resort destination called Provincetown, which is well known locally as a place where those of the homosexual preference congregate.

At least for that one, the masks were found to be effective. But you have to wear two of them and keep them on at all times... below the waist... one in front... one in back!
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Are you seriously trying ti lecture me, a native New Englander and a lifetime resident near Cape Cod on the demograhpics and geohraphy of the Cape and its residents?

Each disease has its own pathology. Comparing COVID to monkey pox is comparing apples to bowling balls.

That's why we leave disease surveillance to people, and not monkeys...

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
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No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
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No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
link to original post

To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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C'mon now. Up is down and sideways is straight ahead

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
link to original post

No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
link to original post

No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
link to original post

To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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C'mon now. Up is down and sideways is straight ahead
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He openly called for people to get sick upthread. Then denies it. I don’t know what way that is.

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
link to original post

No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
link to original post

So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
link to original post

No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
link to original post

To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
link to original post

No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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C'mon now. Up is down and sideways is straight ahead
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He openly called for people to get sick upthread. Then denies it. I don’t know what way that is.
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Well, exposure to a disease isn't the same as getting sick with the disease. Sub clinical infections isn't the same as getting sick. A person with scientific knowledge would know that...

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Virus infections to be offered. Get the latest coronavirus variation, flue infection, develop natural immunity. No more waiting. No more vaccines. No masks, no shots.
link to original post

No vax. No problem. Seriously why are they starting the fear mongering again five years later? Out of nowhere.
link to original post

Fear mongering? I’m suggesting people who don’t like vaccines get intentionally infected with all the current viruses for the good of the country. They all get natural immunity.

Why not? Most are more afraid of vaccines than viruses and certain they won’t have a problem.
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So, you are saying because someone does not do what you think they should do you want them to get sick?

Why not? Because that is a disgusting thought.

It has been said many times, if you have the vax then you are safe and have nothing to worry about. If the vax is not going to make you safe, why should one get it? However, you are free to do so.
link to original post

No it's not unless people, are kying about not worrying about the viruses.
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To say you want people to get sick is disgusting and kind of falls under hate speech. End of story.

It is sad that you cannot accept that some of us choose not to take the vax, having made a risk-reward decision.
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No, you're the one who actually more wants people to get sick. I want people to get vaxxed.
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C'mon now. Up is down and sideways is straight ahead
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He openly called for people to get sick upthread. Then denies it. I don’t know what way that is.
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Well, exposure to a disease isn't the same as getting sick with the disease. Sub clinical infections isn't the same as getting sick. A person with scientific knowledge would know that...
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A person who read the thread can see he called for people to get sick for no other reason than they did not do as instructed like he did.

Is it just me or does this thread need to be closed for a cool off period?

I'm not seeing much math being discussed here.

The thread may be reopened in future. Or not.