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darkoz
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October 17th, 2020 at 2:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

He’s been taking a victory lap any time he can find evidence any treatment but LL might not work. Quite odd if you don’t enjoy the pandemic.



I have done research into not just LL but it's competition as part of my investment strategy.

My statement's to Hydroxychloriquine effectiveness as well as Remdesvir are based on that.

Just as I asked AZ, present scientific data that proves me wrong that Hydroxychloriquine doesn't work.

I won't argue the science.

But saying doctors feel it works isn't getting any FDA approval and that goes for LL as well.

Plenty of doctors say LL works. To confirm there are double blinded placebo trials ongoing now.

Similar trials showed Hydroxychloriquine had no demonstrable effect.

AZ has said he feels field trials are meaningless and we should just go with doctors gut feeling based on some anecdotal examples of patients who recovered (and shocking to me he also says if the drug works for Malaria it should work on anything with similar results)

This is a forum of mathematicians who won't listen to anyone with quack math but if someone spouts dubious science suddenly that's okay
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October 17th, 2020 at 4:25:10 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have done research into not just LL but it's competition as part of my investment strategy.

My statement's to Hydroxychloriquine effectiveness as well as Remdesvir are based on that.

Just as I asked AZ, present scientific data that proves me wrong that Hydroxychloriquine doesn't work.



Same people in OZ denying it as here.

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October 17th, 2020 at 4:42:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz



AZ has said he feels field trials are meaningless and we should just go with doctors gut feeling based on some anecdotal examples of patients who recovered (and shocking to me he also says if the drug works for Malaria it should work on anything with similar results)

This is a forum of mathematicians who won't listen to anyone with quack math but if someone spouts dubious science suddenly that's okay



Is there a single mathematician who wants to defend the AZ method?
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
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October 17th, 2020 at 4:51:09 PM permalink
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Is there a single mathematician who wants to defend the AZ method?



Mathematicians that believe a roulette system works, que EB lol
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October 17th, 2020 at 5:49:53 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

And yet you cannot provide one link????

I'm supposed to believe you????

All I ask is a reasonable link to back up your claims.

If you can't provide one link to a reputable medical association finding of your claims then stop spouting those unproven claims.

PS, in the field is anecdotal evidence. Means nothing. What some doctor observed without studied placebo could mean the patient might have gotten better anyways



Having been a longtime user of chloroquine and its cousin primaquine, under orders of the U.S. Public Health Service, I was surprised to see such a strong disclaimer involving such a noteworthy “product.” Especially following the charts of barely a handful of "problems."

"11 6APPENDICES

6.1APPENDIX A.FDAADVERSE EVENT REPORTING SYSTEM (FAERS)

FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS)FAERS is a database that contains information on adverse event and medication error reports submitted to FDA. The database is designed to support FDA's postmarketing safety surveillance program for drug and therapeutic biological products. The informatic structure of the database adheres to the international safety reporting guidance issued by the International Council on Harmonisation. Adverse events and medication errors are coded to terms in the Medical Dictionary for Regulatory Activities terminology. The suspect products are coded to valid tradenames or active ingredients in the FAERS Product Dictionary.

FAERS data have limitations. First, there is no certainty that the reported event was actually due to the product. FDA does not require that a causal relationship between a product and event be proven, and reports do not always contain enough detail to properly evaluate an event. Further, FDA does not receive reports for every adverse event or medication error that occurs with a product. Many factors can influence whether or not an event will be reported, such as the time a product has been marketed and publicity about an event. Therefore, FAERS data cannot be used to calculate the incidence of an adverse event or medication error in the U.S. population." fda
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October 18th, 2020 at 3:10:03 PM permalink
Sweden is seeing a rise in cases
Sweden has decided in the most infected areas to give local officials the power to close places where crowds gather
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darkoz
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October 18th, 2020 at 3:40:08 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Sweden is seeing a rise in cases
Sweden has decided in the most infected areas to give local officials the power to close places where crowds gather



England France and Italy are entering new shutdowns.

Not total yet but the virus is hitting the second wave over there it appears.

This isn't any surprise if you studied past viral plague.

The Fall is usually worse than the Spring wave in multiples.

You haven't seen nothing yet lol
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October 18th, 2020 at 6:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

England France and Italy are entering new shutdowns....

You haven't seen nothing yet lol

England is currently seeing massive growth rate of infections, albeit from a moderate to low level. My own city saw infection rate double over the last 7 days.
Think about that... double in 7 days, quadrupal in 14 days, >16 fold increase in a month, >256 fold increase in two months.....

Mostly we are complying with social distancing, but our government is only introducing lax and trivial lock down measures. There is no sign of sufficiency in latest measures.

Hospital ICUs are filling up fast. When they are full deaths at home will rocket.
Regular elective surgeries and cancer treatments etc are getting cancelled too.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
darkoz
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October 18th, 2020 at 7:01:37 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

England is currently seeing massive growth rate of infections, albeit from a moderate to low level. My own city saw infection rate double over the last 7 days.
Think about that... double in 7 days, quadrupal in 14 days, >16 fold increase in a month, >256 fold increase in two months.....

Mostly we are complying with social distancing, but our government is only introducing lax and trivial lock down measures. There is no sign of sufficiency in latest measures.

Hospital ICUs are filling up fast. When they are full deaths at home will rocket.
Regular elective surgeries and cancer treatments etc are getting cancelled too.



Spanish Flu(American casualties only):

First wave (Spring) 75,000 dead

Second wave (early Fall) 292,000 dead

Third wave (late Fall) 250,000 dead

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AZDuffman
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October 19th, 2020 at 3:12:21 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

England is currently seeing massive growth rate of infections, albeit from a moderate to low level. My own city saw infection rate double over the last 7 days.
Think about that... double in 7 days, quadrupal in 14 days, >16 fold increase in a month, >256 fold increase in two months.....

Mostly we are complying with social distancing, but our government is only introducing lax and trivial lock down measures. There is no sign of sufficiency in latest measures.

Hospital ICUs are filling up fast. When they are full deaths at home will rocket.
Regular elective surgeries and cancer treatments etc are getting cancelled too.



Except history shows that it will not get to a 16 fold increase like that. Is it is even mathematically possible?
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