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SanchoPanza
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October 14th, 2020 at 7:06:59 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

As I do not have it what does it matter if I wear a mask?


October 12, 2020 By Jordan Davidson

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.
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October 14th, 2020 at 7:16:18 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If wearing a mask ruins your quality of life, I have to ask how much quality you had to begin with.



It can definitely lessen ones quality of life. People put way too much importance on individual lives.

I wear a mask when I have to because it improves my quality of life. If I don't wear a mask I can't go to the grocery store which is about the only joy I have now that I am unemployed. I enjoy going to the grocery store about three times a week.
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October 14th, 2020 at 7:19:14 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza


“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.



Having observed the way some people wear masks, I find that percentage suspect. Wearing a condom half on, is not wearing a condom either. Worse yet, people walking through the store with a mask on, but it's under their chin.
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ChumpChange
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October 14th, 2020 at 8:03:38 PM permalink
COVID-19: WHY WE SHOULD ALL WEAR MASKS — THERE IS NEW SCIENTIFIC RATIONALE
Sui Huang
March 26, 2020 12 min read
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71
darkoz
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October 14th, 2020 at 9:40:34 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

October 12, 2020 By Jordan Davidson

A Centers for Disease Control report released in September shows that masks and face coverings are not effective in preventing the spread of COVID-19, even for those people who consistently wear them.

A study conducted in the United States in July found that when they compared 154 “case-patients,” who tested positive for COVID-19, to a control group of 160 participants from the same health care facility who were symptomatic but tested negative, over 70 percent of the case-patients were contaminated with the virus and fell ill despite “always” wearing a mask.

“In the 14 days before illness onset, 71% of case-patients and 74% of control participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public,” the report stated.



More misinformation!

The report cited says that masks appear not to work due to them being removed in dining and drinking establishments.

It actually concludes that dining and drinking establishments should be required to do more effective social distancing procedures.

LMAO.
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October 15th, 2020 at 2:10:00 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I'm pretty sure the rate of positive tests in upstate NY is close to one percent, which means in the city of Buffalo there are a lot more than 50 people. 795 people have tested positive in Erie County since September 29th.
If the positive rate is one percent, and you attend a rally of 12,000 people, the chances of you encountering someone with the virus go up quite a bit. Then you can spread it for two weeks without ever knowing you'd been infected in the first place.



You are ignoring a bias - the people that get tests are not random population - they tend to be people who either have symptoms or are concerned they may have been exposed. Given that those tests are 1% positive, it does not imply that 1% of the population at large is infected.

Indeed, one can make an argument that a large fraction of the people who have symptoms or are concerned about exposure do get tested.
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October 15th, 2020 at 3:52:12 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

As a man of math 50 out of 1 million is not bad. My area is bigger than yours so here is is about 150.

But if it makes you happy I will say "if I do not have it what does it matter if I wear a mask" since a company in your town might after a few years finally be ready to make me some cash as they got their patent today!

Even if you don't think masks work you should be encouraging people to wear them and be grateful others believe they do work. If not for that they may have not opened up as much as they have and the lock down would have lasted longer.
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October 15th, 2020 at 4:33:59 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Even if you don't think masks work you should be encouraging people to wear them and be grateful others believe they do work. If not for that they may have not opened up as much as they have and the lock down would have lasted longer.



Why would someone encourage something that they think doesn't work?
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darkoz
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October 15th, 2020 at 4:35:03 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

You are ignoring a bias - the people that get tests are not random population - they tend to be people who either have symptoms or are concerned they may have been exposed. Given that those tests are 1% positive, it does not imply that 1% of the population at large is infected.

Indeed, one can make an argument that a large fraction of the people who have symptoms or are concerned about exposure do get tested.



So you are saying more than one percent is probably infected?

We know there are asymptomatic people. And there are those that are only mildly sick so they may not feel compelled to go (and I suppose we also can't rule out a large population of AZ"s who believe they can't have it or it's a scam to begin with)

This means if one percent of the population is showing up positive it's most likely a huge number of positive people aren't getting tested and don't know.
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AZDuffman
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October 15th, 2020 at 4:36:26 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

No, you are doing exactly the opposite of what an AP does.

An AP looks at the odds and picks the best method to achieve a successful return.

In this case, (gambling with your health) an AP would look at the odds, realize the best odds of remaining healthy is to protect oneself by wearing a mask.

Those who take such risks as you are would be considered a ploppie of the highest magnitude



Lets see. 2% of population infected. 99% survival rate. Now. if I have a bet out with a >99% chance of winning do I bother to hedge?

An AP says "no."

You are saying not to even play the game.

My verdict is the AP does not live his life worrying about the masks.
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