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May 24th, 2021 at 2:11:21 PM permalink
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Finally if the argument is it's not part of the Broccoli produced films then that would negate Never Say Never Again which I would disagree with.



I don't count that either. However, I'll have a look at the scene and decide from there.
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May 24th, 2021 at 2:40:38 PM permalink
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What about the 1954 game?



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June 5th, 2021 at 12:53:53 PM permalink
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What about the 1954 game?



Is Bond Martingaling?!

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I haven't read a James Bond novel in over twenty years so I don't remember how the game plays out in the "Casino Royal" book version. In many ways, this is the best Bond baccarat film. He actually explains the basics of how the game is played (beginning at the 6:08 mark) and there are many hands played and expressions used.

On the other hand, it's very confusing. There's no mention of why the Bank keeps doubling. Since it's sort of a tournament, it could be explained as the equivalent of raising the blinds in Texas Hold'em although I assume the real reason is that it allows Bond to quickly win in the short amount of time a TV show can give to such a scene.

There's only 4 people playing the game. Le Chiffre begins Banking with the shoe.

Blow-By-Blow
FIRST HAND: (For 1,000,000 francs) The player to Le Chiffre's left calls "Banco". Although this player has lowest priority, neither the "Banco Prime" player nor Bond say anything so the action starts here. The Player hand stands (on a 7). The Bank reveals a natural 9 and wins.

SECOND HAND: (As mentioned above, the stakes mysteriously double to 2,000,000 francs.) The preceding player calls "Banco Suivi" giving him priority. He asks for a card and receives an ace. The Bank stands with a 7. The player loses with a total of 4.

THIRD HAND: (For 4,000,000 francs although it appears to revert back to 1,000,000 if there's a new player) The player refuses to "Suivi". The player to the Bank's right refuses to banco. Bond calls "Banco". Bond wins with a natural 9 to the Bank's baccarat. For some reason, the shoe does not pass to the next position and Le Chiffre continues as Bank

FOURTH HAND: (For 2,000,000 francs) Bond calls "Banco". He refuses a card. Le Chiffre draws for a Banker total of 7. Bond loses with a total of 5. (He didn't hit a 5?)

FIFTH HAND: (For 4,000,000 francs) Bond calls "Banco Suivi". He stands on a 7. He loses to a natural 9.

SIXTH HAND: (For 8,000,000 francs) Bond calls "Banco Suivi". Both he and Le Chiffre draw cards. Player loses with a 3 to a Banker 6.

SEVENTH HAND: (For 16,000,000 francs) Bond calls "Banco Suivi". He refuses a card. His 7 loses to the Bank's natural 9.

EIGHTH HAND: (For 32,000,000 francs) Bond has lost all his money but is mysteriously given an envelope containing 32,000,000 francs. Bond calls "Banco Suivi". Both he and Le Chiffre draw cards. Bond wins with a Player 4 over a Banker 3.

Again, although he loses, Le Chiffre keeps the shoe. The Croupier informs him that the Bank is broke so he shoves 23,000,000 francs into the center. This is neither a double to 64,000,000 nor a restart to 1,000,000 so is a bit confusing. Also, as Bond explained the rules (at 6:08), a person buys the Bank. So, presumably, in this TV version you Bank until you either voluntarily pass the shoe, or go broke.

NINTH HAND: (For 23,000,000 francs) Bond, now looking cocky, calls "Suivi". He wins with a natural 9 (of course) over a Banker baccarat. Le Chiffre is out of money and leaves the table.

Thoughts
-Typical of a Bond Baccarat scene, the game is all banco and suivi. You never see a hand where the players each cover a smaller part of the Bank although Bond explains to Clarence(?) Leiter that it is indeed (and amazingly) allowed.

-Obviously this version is considered a crap Bond adventure. Peter Lorre, however, is very entertaining as the slimy Le Chiffre. He would have made a great Bond villain in the official film series.

-American agent Jimmy Bond pronounces "baccarat" with a hard "T" at the end.

-Trivia: This to date is one of only two James Bond adaptations (the other being 1981's For Your Eyes Only) in which a character called M does not appear.
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June 5th, 2021 at 2:13:06 PM permalink
Thanks for the breakdown

I'm a little confused as to why you start referring to a TV show
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June 5th, 2021 at 2:21:53 PM permalink
The scene in the book is different and the rationale is explained well there. It’s the key plot point in the book as Bond’s grand plan to stop the bad guys is to beat him at Baccarat to deny him the money he needs to complete his diabolical plan.
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June 5th, 2021 at 3:03:23 PM permalink
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Thanks for the breakdown

I'm a little confused as to why you start referring to a TV show


In 1954 Fleming, needing money, sold the movie rights for Casino Royal to producers Gregory Ratoff and Michael Garrison. The TV rights, however, were sold to CBS and the filmed adaptation above is the live TV version on the Climax! series. (So the whole story is told in a mere 50 minutes.) A James Bond TV series was pitched but went nowhere. Fleming, however, did write a few episode ideas which became James Bond short stories such as "For Your Eyes Only" and "From a View to a Kill".

The film had trouble getting made. Garrison would drop out and go on to make his own spy show called "The Wild Wild West". Ratoff's widow was represented by producer Charles K. Feldman who would make the 1967 comedy film version. Sony pictures acquired the film rights when it bought Columbia. Sony then traded them to MGM for Spider-Man. This let the official Eon productions finally get a hold of it. And what better way to reboot the franchise than with the first novel.
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June 5th, 2021 at 5:54:50 PM permalink
Thanks, I had convinced myself it was a 1954 movie shown in theaters, convinced enough not to look it up
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June 12th, 2021 at 3:09:09 PM permalink


Quote: darkoz

Wizard:

I know it's easy to overlook but what about the Baccarat scenes in the 1967 Casino Royale spoof?

Although a spoof, the gambling scene is handled pretty seriously


The "Casino Royale" (1967) game is interesting since it revolves around what to do with a 5 hand, the one hand in Chemin De Fer that you (at least almost) always have free will on.

The Peter Sellers character (who I'll simply call "Bond") arrives at Casino Royale with Vesper Lynd. He's informed that Le Chiffre has bought the Bank for the night. This is not a tournament or "big game" but simply Le Chiffre betting big trying to regain money he took from SMERSH so, evidentally, buying the Bank is allowed. Indeed, "Casino Royale" (1954) also seems to suggest this is fairly common. There are no calls for "Banco" or "Suivi" at this table. It seems that if you play against Le Chiffre, you play mano-a-mano for the full amount of the Bank.

Le Chiffre is twice shown beating a (based on the dialogue) Greek Tycoon with a natural 9. Bond points out to Vesper that Le Chiffre is cheating with a pair of dark glasses that can see through the backs of the cards. (A POV shot shows both Player and Banker have natural 8s.) Bond sits down at the table in the #4 position. During their introductory banter, Vesper steals Le Chiffre's glasses.

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HAND #1: The bank is for an unstated amount but, based on hand #3, is around 8,000,000 francs. Bond is dealt a 6 hand and gestures no card. Le Chiffre reveals a natural 9 and wins.

HAND #2: Le Chiffre suggests they double the Bank and Bond agrees. The bank is for an unstated amount but, based on hand #3, is around 16,500,000 francs. Bond is dealt a 5 hand and gestures no card. Le Chiffre also receives a 5 hand. He pauses for a moment and then draws a 2. Banker beats Player 7 to 5.

HAND #3: Bond asks for another game and Le Chiffre agrees provided the Bank doubles again. Bond counters that they treble it and Le Chiffre agrees. The croupier announces the Bank stands at 50,000,000 francs. Bond once again is dealt a 5 hand and, once again, gestures no card. Le Chiffre also receives another 5 hand. He taps his cards in thought and decides to draw. It's a 5 giving him a losing baccarat. Le Chiffre is out of money and a dead man walking.

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Unfortunately, YouTube does not have a very good clip of the entire scene. This clip picks up the action at hand #2...



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Thoughts

-- This is the only time hand gestures are used in a Bond baccarat game. While the Greek tycoon does verbally decline a card, Bond waves his hand palm down (a la blackjack) to indicate no card.

-- There must have been a large cluster of 2s and 3s in the shoe. Of the 14 cards played across the three coups, six of them are 3s and five of them are 2s. While counting cards in Punto Banco isn't really worth the effort, perhaps it is in Chemin De Fer. If you saw a parade of 2s and 3s go by, and your next hand was a 5, would you ask for a card?

-- There's a fascinating cat-and-mouse game over how to correctly play a 5 hand. In general, the Player is better off hitting, yet here, and in the 1954 version, Bond always stands. He also counsels Tracy in OHMSS to play it safe on a 5 and stand.

-- In Bond baccarat scenes, you never see a hand like, say, a 7/8. I guess it would be cinematically tedious to explain that 7 + 8 = 5. (This might explain the cluster of 2s and 3s mentioned above.)

-- Like Peter Lorre in 1954, Orson Welles does a terrific job as Le Chiffre. Both actors attack the character using their own strengths with Lorre interpreting him as a slimy toad villain while Welles presents him as a pompous, commanding intellectual. Welles would have also made a great villain in an EON production.

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Trivia Question

In addition to "Casino Royale" (1954), "Casino Royale" (1967), and "Casino Royale" (2006), in what other Bond film does 007 end up at Casino Royale?
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June 12th, 2021 at 9:07:35 PM permalink
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Trivia Question

In addition to "Casino Royale" (1954), "Casino Royale" (1967), and "Casino Royale" (2006), in what other Bond film does 007 end up at Casino Royale?



Goldeneye
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June 13th, 2021 at 2:09:00 PM permalink
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Goldeneye


That's actually a really good guess but, incorrect.
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June 13th, 2021 at 2:17:15 PM permalink
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Goldeneye


That's actually a really good guess but, incorrect.



Without looking it up I am going to hazard a guess.

Quantum of solace?

Since that was the direct sequel to Casino Royale reboot.

If wrong I will have to look it up.
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June 13th, 2021 at 2:24:24 PM permalink
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Without looking it up I am going to hazard a guess.

Quantum of solace?

Since that was the direct sequel to Casino Royale reboot.

If wrong I will have to look it up.


Another good guess but, also incorrect.
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June 13th, 2021 at 2:36:24 PM permalink
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Another good guess but, also incorrect.



This is a total shot in the dark, but On Her Majesty's Secret Service? I know in the book there are references to Casino Royale's story (specifically Vesper).

And, the movie tried to cash in heavily on nostalgia (presumably to ease the transition of actors), and there is at least one casino that they enter (both the movie and the book have Bond's future wife have gambling debts and he pays them, I am totally blanking on the characters name), but it would not surprise me if (at least in the movie), it was called Casino Royale as another nostalgia nod (and/or a shot at the right's dispute to the book which would not surprise me either as the producers got petty a couple of times and this was around that timeline I believe).
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June 13th, 2021 at 3:38:58 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

This is a total shot in the dark, but On Her Majesty's Secret Service? I know in the book there are references to Casino Royale's story (specifically Vesper).

And, the movie tried to cash in heavily on nostalgia (presumably to ease the transition of actors), and there is at least one casino that they enter (both the movie and the book have Bond's future wife have gambling debts and he pays them, I am totally blanking on the characters name), but it would not surprise me if (at least in the movie), it was called Casino Royale as another nostalgia nod (and/or a shot at the right's dispute to the book which would not surprise me either as the producers got petty a couple of times and this was around that timeline I believe).


Another good guess that's also incorrect. Your thoughts, however, are hot on the trail.
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June 13th, 2021 at 4:22:49 PM permalink
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That's actually a really good guess but, incorrect.



Hmmm. Are you not referring to the Casino de Monte Carlo?


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June 13th, 2021 at 5:20:01 PM permalink
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Hmmm. Are you not referring to the Casino de Monte Carlo?


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Indeed I am referring to the famous Casino de Monte Carlo. In "Goldeneye", it plays itself. It also appears in another Bond film, however, where a sign identifies it is playing the role of Casino Royale.
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June 13th, 2021 at 5:40:02 PM permalink
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In addition to "Casino Royale" (1954), "Casino Royale" (1967), and "Casino Royale" (2006), in what other Bond film does 007 end up at Casino Royale?



The Man with the Golden Gun.
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June 13th, 2021 at 6:25:50 PM permalink
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The Man with the Golden Gun.


Sorry, also incorrect.
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June 13th, 2021 at 6:34:21 PM permalink
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Sorry, also incorrect.



Is it

Dr. no?

From Russia with love?

Goldfinger?

Thunderball?

You Only Live Twice?

Diamonds are forever?

Live and Let Die?

Spy Who Loved Me?

Moonraker?

For your eyes only?

Octopussy?

A view to a kill?
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June 13th, 2021 at 6:39:20 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Is it

Dr. no?

From Russia with love?

Goldfinger?

Thunderball?

You Only Live Twice?

Diamonds are forever?

Live and Let Die?

Spy Who Loved Me?

Moonraker?

For your eyes only?

Octopussy?

A view to a kill?


None of the above are correct.
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June 13th, 2021 at 7:04:39 PM permalink
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Sorry, also incorrect.



I had to Google it.

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June 13th, 2021 at 8:19:14 PM permalink
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I had to Google it.

Never Say Never Again



That's interesting because it mixes and matches two different Bond legal issues.

The Casino Royale issue and the Thunderball issue.

They could have just as easily called it the Thunderball Casino
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June 13th, 2021 at 8:21:21 PM permalink
Quantum of Solace. I say that only because the movie had a chase scene around Monte Carlo. Maybe they raced past the casino.

Trivia time! Quantum of Solace is the only Bond movie where Bond does not have sex.
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I had to Google it.

Never Say Never Again


Ding, ding! Winner!

In "Never Say Never Again", bond enters the casino and walks past this card...



It's unknown if this was simply an Easter Egg for Bond fans or if the film's producers were thumbing their noses at EON Productions since, at the time, EON didn't own Casino Royale.

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Trivia

1)
In NSNA, Domino is briefly seen losing at roulette before she enters the video game arcade. So I was wrong earlier in this thread. Roulette is technically played in a Bond film.


2) Speaking of Goldeneye and baccarat 5 hands. In that film, Xenia Onatopp stands on a 5 and loses to Bond's 6 hand.

3) You'd think that of all the casinos in the world, you'd be able to play Chemin de Fer at Casino de Monte-Carlo. Unfortunately, its website shows that Punto Banco is the only baccarat it offers.
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Today’s question of the day at the Las Vegas Advisor is about James Bond and the casino games he plays. Specifically, chemin de fer and how it differs from baccarat.

And Mike is the guest expert to answer it!

Mike doesn’t include a link to this thread. But I did.

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I request that after all the Bond movies have been analyzed, we break down the casino scenes of Paul's grandfather in "A Hard Day's Night."
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Today’s question of the day at the Las Vegas Advisor is about James Bond and the casino games he plays. Specifically, chemin de fer and how it differs from baccarat.

And Mike is the guest expert to answer it!

Mike doesn’t include a link to this thread. But I did.

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/question-of-the-day/



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I request that after all the Bond movies have been analyzed, we break down the casino scenes of Paul's grandfather in "A Hard Day's Night."


Well, he does play at the Le Cercle casino, which is where Bond plays baccarat at the start of "Dr. No", so there is a connection.



The girl with Paul's grandfather, incidentally, is played by Margaret Nolan who also gives Bond a rubdown in "Goldfinger".

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While we await the next gambling scene (and the next film) here are a few more Bond trivia questions ranging from easy to difficult...



001) What are the two films in which the actress playing the main Bond girl has been older than the actor playing Bond?

002) Bond actor Roger Moore suffered from hoplophobia which is the fear of what?

003) In the official Eon series, what are the only two films that don't involve a helicopter at some point?

004) The last time Bond was seen smoking was in which film?

005) Who holds the record for the most times a single actor has played the same role in a film series?

006) Bond's famous Walther PPK is the same model gun used by what world leader to commit suicide?

007) Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?


No searching please.
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since I don't generally know the answers I'll have some fun with this, plus some guesses

Quote: Gialmere

While we await the next gambling scene (and the next film) here are a few more Bond trivia questions ranging from easy to difficult...



001) What are the two films in which the actress playing the main Bond girl has been older than the actor playing Bond?
On Her Majesty's SS, '69


002) Bond actor Roger Moore suffered from hoplophobia which is the fear of what? fear of not enough hops in the beer

003) In the official Eon series, what are the only two films that don't involve a helicopter at some point? you stumped me at 'Eon'

004) The last time Bond was seen smoking was in which film?
Diamonds are Forever?


005) Who holds the record for the most times a single actor has played the same role in a film series? this is either too easy or too hard

006) Bond's famous Walther PPK is the same model gun used by what world leader to commit suicide?
I'm guessing Hitler, but do they know that for sure?



007) Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?
forgive me for looking up what that role is and looking at images only, but I think I learned how many that way.

No searching please.

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since I don't generally know the answers I'll have some fun with this, plus some guesses

001) What are the two films in which the actress playing the main Bond girl has been older than the actor playing Bond?

On Her Majesty's SS, '69


Yes. OHMSS is one of the two films. Dianna Rigg was 31 years old while George Lazenby was only 30.


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004) The last time Bond was seen smoking was in which film?

Diamonds are Forever?


Post Connery Bonds have smoked


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006) Bond's famous Walther PPK is the same model gun used by what world leader to commit suicide?

I'm guessing Hitler, but do they know that for sure?


That's true. Eva Braun took cyanide while Hitler greased himself with his German made Walther PPK.
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July 10th, 2021 at 6:13:57 PM permalink
Those are some tough questions.

2. Do you mean hynophobia?
3. What do you mean by the Eon series? I'd like a convenient way to exclude the first Casino Royale and Never Say Never from the official Bond movie list, but what is a good standard to achieve to exclude them?
4. I must admit I read the other answers and mine would have been wrong. I thought the smoking went way when Connery did. Then again, I could see Timothy Dalton smoking, but I'm not sure.
5. My guess is Roger Moore with seven.


I read the other replies on this. I did not know that about Hitler. However, in the movie Downfall, they make it out that Hitler and Braun shot at each other at the same time. However, they also don't indicate any witnesses to the event, so how did they know?


7. I can think of two only, but I'm probably missing some.
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While we await the next gambling scene (and the next film) here are a few more Bond trivia questions ranging from easy to difficult...



001) What are the two films in which the actress playing the main Bond girl has been older than the actor playing Bond?

002) Bond actor Roger Moore suffered from hoplophobia which is the fear of what?

003) In the official Eon series, what are the only two films that don't involve a helicopter at some point?

004) The last time Bond was seen smoking was in which film?

005) Who holds the record for the most times a single actor has played the same role in a film series?

006) Bond's famous Walther PPK is the same model gun used by what world leader to commit suicide?

007) Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?


No searching please.



001 Moneypenny during On Her Majesty's Secret Service (she was younger than Lazenby I believe) and Pussy Galore during Goldfinger. Maybe another Connery movie because he was so young during the beginning. Maybe Trench as well (Bond girl from Dr. No), she did look older, but that one I am not sure on. I guess it also depends on definitions of Bond Girls (some people don't consider Moneypenny a Bond Girl, Pussy Galore was technically a villian, etc...)

002 I have no idea. Fear of physical work? (I think I remember interviews of him saying he hated doing physical stuff).

003 Dr. No and Casino Royale.

004 Timothy Dalton for Cigarettes. Pierce Bronson for Cigars. Craig originally had scenes where he was a smoker in Casino Royale, but they edited them out (to Craig's dismay) because they wanted to make a tobacco free movie (and its the only Bond movie with no tobacco use by Bond or main characters, subsequent Craig films allies smoked like Felix Lighter). But, Craig is the first Bond to not smoke at all (at least not on a publicly released version).

005 Desmond Lelyenan (probably spelled wrong), Q.

006 I have no idea. Was it Hiter? I know Germans used Walthers, but that was probably an earlier model. I can't think of any other famous leader that shot himself.

007 Over 5, but less than 12 (unless the 1960s Casino Royale had Felix Leiter in it, I don't recall, but I know they had like 5 Bonds, so they could have done something weird with several Leiters, I don't remember which could be a trick question). I know only two actors have only played the role in more than one film (at least in Eon). So I would guess 10 as an even number?
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Those are some tough questions.

2. Do you mean hynophobia?
3. What do you mean by the Eon series? I'd like a convenient way to exclude the first Casino Royale and Never Say Never from the official Bond movie list, but what is a good standard to achieve to exclude them?
4. I must admit I read the other answers and mine would have been wrong. I thought the smoking went way when Connery did. Then again, I could see Timothy Dalton smoking, but I'm not sure.
5. My guess is Roger Moore with seven.


I read the other replies on this. I did not know that about Hitler. However, in the movie Downfall, they make it out that Hitler and Braun shot at each other at the same time. However, they also don't indicate any witnesses to the event, so how did they know?


7. I can think of two only, but I'm probably missing some.


2) No, Hoplophobia. It's an actual thing and surprising that a Bond actor would have it.

3) Eon is the British production company (founded by film producers Albert R. “Cubby” Broccoli and Harry Saltzman) that makes what is commonly called the "official" James Bond movies: from their first Bond film "Dr. No" through their 25th Bond film, the upcoming "No Time To Die". It does not include "Casino Royale" 1954, "Casino Royale" 1967, or "Never Say Never Again" 1983.

4) There was post Connery smoking.

5) Incorrect

6) This is easily verified. Here's the simple Wikipedia version.

7) Incorrect.

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001 Moneypenny during On Her Majesty's Secret Service (she was younger than Lazenby I believe) and Pussy Galore during Goldfinger. Maybe another Connery movie because he was so young during the beginning. Maybe Trench as well (Bond girl from Dr. No), she did look older, but that one I am not sure on. I guess it also depends on definitions of Bond Girls (some people don't consider Moneypenny a Bond Girl, Pussy Galore was technically a villian, etc...)

002 I have no idea. Fear of physical work? (I think I remember interviews of him saying he hated doing physical stuff).

003 Dr. No and Casino Royale.

004 Timothy Dalton for Cigarettes. Pierce Bronson for Cigars. Craig originally had scenes where he was a smoker in Casino Royale, but they edited them out (to Craig's dismay) because they wanted to make a tobacco free movie (and its the only Bond movie with no tobacco use by Bond or main characters, subsequent Craig films allies smoked like Felix Lighter). But, Craig is the first Bond to not smoke at all (at least not on a publicly released version).

005 Desmond Lelyenan (probably spelled wrong), Q.

006 I have no idea. Was it Hiter? I know Germans used Walthers, but that was probably an earlier model. I can't think of any other famous leader that shot himself.

007 Over 5, but less than 12 (unless the 1960s Casino Royale had Felix Leiter in it, I don't recall, but I know they had like 5 Bonds, so they could have done something weird with several Leiters, I don't remember which could be a trick question). I know only two actors have only played the role in more than one film (at least in Eon). So I would guess 10 as an even number?


001)
"Main Bond Girl" usually meaning the girl Bond is with at the end of the film. Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore) was five years older than Sean Connery in "Goldfinger".


002) Incorrect.

003)
"Dr. No" is indeed one of the two films without a helicopter.


004) I need a film title.

005)
Desmond Llewelyn played the role of Q (i.e. Major Boothroyd) in 17 films.


006) See above

007) Incorrect ... but in the ballpark.
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001 Moneypenny during On Her Majesty's Secret Service (she was younger than Lazenby I believe) and Pussy Galore during Goldfinger. Maybe another Connery movie because he was so young during the beginning. Maybe Trench as well (Bond girl from Dr. No), she did look older, but that one I am not sure on. I guess it also depends on definitions of Bond Girls (some people don't consider Moneypenny a Bond Girl, Pussy Galore was technically a villian, etc...)

002 I have no idea. Fear of physical work? (I think I remember interviews of him saying he hated doing physical stuff).

003 Dr. No and Casino Royale.

004 Timothy Dalton for Cigarettes. Pierce Bronson for Cigars. Craig originally had scenes where he was a smoker in Casino Royale, but they edited them out (to Craig's dismay) because they wanted to make a tobacco free movie (and its the only Bond movie with no tobacco use by Bond or main characters, subsequent Craig films allies smoked like Felix Lighter). But, Craig is the first Bond to not smoke at all (at least not on a publicly released version).

005 Desmond Lelyenan (probably spelled wrong), Q.

006 I have no idea. Was it Hiter? I know Germans used Walthers, but that was probably an earlier model. I can't think of any other famous leader that shot himself.

007 Over 5, but less than 12 (unless the 1960s Casino Royale had Felix Leiter in it, I don't recall, but I know they had like 5 Bonds, so they could have done something weird with several Leiters, I don't remember which could be a trick question). I know only two actors have only played the role in more than one film (at least in Eon). So I would guess 10 as an even number?


001)
"Main Bond Girl" usually meaning the girl Bond is with at the end of the film. Honor Blackman (Pussy Galore) was five years older than Sean Connery in "Goldfinger".


002) Incorrect.

003)
"Dr. No" is indeed one of the two films without a helicopter.


004) I need a film title.

005)
Desmond Llewelyn played the role of Q (i.e. Major Boothroyd) in 17 films.


006) See above

007) Incorrect ... but in the ballpark.



001
Ah, I glossed over the "main" part of the question. Then I am unsure other than my above answers, most of the older women who came to mind would not fit that description. I would guess there would be none in Moore's films just because he was so old (By Bond standards) when accepting the part (mid 40s), so by nature he was older than most actresses who would have such a role, and by his late films he was in his late 50s. Since Sean Connery was so young when starting (early 30s), I think it would have to happen in his films.

Lazenby was actually quite young (even a bit younger than Connery, I think he may have been in his 20s during filming), so its possible he was younger than Dianne Rigg (the lady he marries at the end, blanking on the character name), but its hard to say, there was not a visible age difference (I do know that Rigg has passed in the last couple years and Lazenby is still living, though that alone does not mean he is inherently younger). I know Lazenby was almost certainly younger than Moneypenny in his film.


003
I honestly do not remember any in Casino Royale, but there was an airport runway scene so I guess there could have easily been one sitting on the airport somewhere.


004
License to Kill for cigarettes, Die Another Die for cigars.

The Dalton movies were sponsored by Lark and actually have the surgeon general warning in the closing credits (at least the American releases), at least LTK does, I am not positive about The Living Daylights.


002 and 007 I have no idea, and would just be shooting in the dark at this point (I don't know enough about the Leiters in the non-EON Bonds).
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Hoplophobia

I'm going on a hunch here because I vaguely remember something about Roger Moore asking not to have to kiss anymore after Spy Who Loved Me. Fear of kissing?

Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?

From memory:

Dr.No Jack Lord

Goldfinger (don't remember name)

Thunderball (don't remember name)

Live and Let Die (don't remember name)

Never Say Never Again (Bernie Casey? Only black Felix Leiter)

I want to say Felix also appears in Diamonds are Forever. It makes sense being in Vegas but can't remember now.

I'm not as familiar with the later Bonds so he might have made some appearances there as well.

Trivia ( In the books Felix Leiter loses his arm to an alligator in Live and Let Die. But that never made it into the film)

Trivia: In what book does James Bond die and how (because Ian Fleming was tired of the character) and which book does he "come back to life" and how (because public outcry caused Ian Fleming to change his mind and yes that sounds a lot like the inspiration for the Stephen King book Misery)
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Hoplophobia

I'm going on a hunch here because I vaguely remember something about Roger Moore asking not to have to kiss anymore after Spy Who Loved Me. Fear of kissing?

Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?

From memory:

Dr.No Jack Lord

Goldfinger (don't remember name)

Thunderball (don't remember name)

Live and Let Die (don't remember name)

Never Say Never Again (Bernie Casey? Only black Felix Leiter)

I want to say Felix also appears in Diamonds are Forever. It makes sense being in Vegas but can't remember now.

I'm not as familiar with the later Bonds so he might have made some appearances there as well.

Trivia ( In the books Felix Leiter loses his arm to an alligator in Live and Let Die. But that never made it into the film)

Trivia: In what book does James Bond die and how (because Ian Fleming was tired of the character) and which book does he "come back to life" and how (because public outcry caused Ian Fleming to change his mind and yes that sounds a lot like the inspiration for the Stephen King book Misery)




Oh that is a good guess for the phobia, that one did not even occur to me, that sounds like that is probably correct.

Your Leiter list is good, the current Felix Leighter is also Black though (the one in the Craig movies, very popular actor, in lots of stuff, cannot think of name).

And, yes there was one in Diamonds are Forever.

There were not many Leiters in the Moore movies, and I think Live and Let Die was the only one. However, that actor came back in 1989 for Licensed to Kill (making him and the Craig one the only actors to play Leiter more than once). The Living Daylights also had a Felix Lighter (different actor). There were none in the Bronson movies, and just one in the Craig movies. I have no idea about the two non-EON Casino Royales.

So maybe 9 then, your list plus those three? Or actually 8 since the LTK was a repeat actor? This is assuming there is no Felix's in the non-Eon Casino Royales (The TV movie in the 50s, and the 1960s one).

In the books he had a hook for most of the series because of that shark attack. This is what the Leiter scenes in License to Kill are based on (which makes Bond go rogue for revenge). I really like his character in the books, and I think the film series could have done him justice with better continuity for his character.

Your question:
From Russia With Love I believe, because it ends with "fading to black" or some language like that after he gets stabbed with the poison shoe knife
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003

I honestly do not remember any in Casino Royale, but there was an airport runway scene so I guess there could have easily been one sitting on the airport somewhere.


004
License to Kill for cigarettes, Die Another Die for cigars.

The Dalton movies were sponsored by Lark and actually have the surgeon general warning in the closing credits (at least the American releases), at least LTK does, I am not positive about The Living Daylights.



It's a quick helicopter cameo...



So we have "Dr. No" and what other film?


Very good. Bond smokes cigars while in Havana.



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Hoplophobia

I'm going on a hunch here because I vaguely remember something about Roger Moore asking not to have to kiss anymore after Spy Who Loved Me. Fear of kissing?

Including non-Eon productions, how many actors have played the role of Felix Leiter?

From memory:

Dr.No Jack Lord

Goldfinger (don't remember name)

Thunderball (don't remember name)

Live and Let Die (don't remember name)

Never Say Never Again (Bernie Casey? Only black Felix Leiter)

I want to say Felix also appears in Diamonds are Forever. It makes sense being in Vegas but can't remember now.

I'm not as familiar with the later Bonds so he might have made some appearances there as well.

Trivia ( In the books Felix Leiter loses his arm to an alligator in Live and Let Die. But that never made it into the film)


002) Incorrect, but that would certainly be something a Bond actor would have trouble with.

007) Correct! in a joint solve with Gandler

Eight or nine is acceptable.

Eon Films
Dr. No = Jack Lord
Goldfinger = Cec Linder
Thunderball = Rik Van Nutter
Diamonds are Forever = Norman Burton
Live and Let Die, Licence to Kill = David Hedison
The Living Daylights = John Terry
Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, No Time to Die = Jeffrey Wright

Non-Eon
Never Say Never Again = Bernie Casey
Casino Royale (1954) = Michael Pate (Arguable since the character is renamed "Clarence Leiter")


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Trivia: In what book does James Bond die and how (because Ian Fleming was tired of the character) and which book does he "come back to life" and how (because public outcry caused Ian Fleming to change his mind and yes that sounds a lot like the inspiration for the Stephen King book Misery)


It's been over 20 years since I've read any Bond books. As I recall, at the end of the Blofeld trilogy, in "You Only Live Twice", Bond gets amnesia and is presumed dead by the British Secret Service.
-------------------------------------

So far...

Honor Blackman in Goldfinger & Diana Rigg in OHMSS


002) Bond actor Roger Moore suffered from hoplophobia which is the fear of what?

Dr. No and what other film?


Die Another day


Desmond Llewelyn


Hitler


Eon Films
Dr. No = Jack Lord
Goldfinger = Cec Linder
Thunderball = Rik Van Nutter
Diamonds are Forever = Norman Burton
Live and Let Die, Licence to Kill = David Hedison
The Living Daylights = John Terry
Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, No Time to Die = Jeffrey Wright

Non-Eon
Never Say Never Again = Bernie Casey
Casino Royale (1954) = Michael Pate (Arguable since the character is renamed "Clarence Leiter")
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003

I honestly do not remember any in Casino Royale, but there was an airport runway scene so I guess there could have easily been one sitting on the airport somewhere.


004
License to Kill for cigarettes, Die Another Die for cigars.

The Dalton movies were sponsored by Lark and actually have the surgeon general warning in the closing credits (at least the American releases), at least LTK does, I am not positive about The Living Daylights.



It's a quick helicopter cameo...



So we have "Dr. No" and what other film?


Very good. Bond smokes cigars while in Havana.




002) Incorrect, but that would certainly be something a Bond actor would have trouble with.

007) Correct! in a joint solve with Gandler

Eight or nine is acceptable.

Eon Films
Dr. No = Jack Lord
Goldfinger = Cec Linder
Thunderball = Rik Van Nutter
Diamonds are Forever = Norman Burton
Live and Let Die, Licence to Kill = David Hedison
The Living Daylights = John Terry
Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, No Time to Die = Jeffrey Wright

Non-Eon
Never Say Never Again = Bernie Casey
Casino Royale (1954) = Michael Pate (Arguable since the character is renamed "Clarence Leiter")



It's been over 20 years since I've read any Bond books. As I recall, at the end of the Blofeld trilogy, in "You Only Live Twice", Bond gets amnesia and is presumed dead by the British Secret Service.
-------------------------------------

So far...

Honor Blackman in Goldfinger & Diana Rigg in OHMSS


002) Bond actor Roger Moore suffered from hoplophobia which is the fear of what?

Dr. No and what other film?


Die Another day


Desmond Llewelyn


Hitler


Eon Films
Dr. No = Jack Lord
Goldfinger = Cec Linder
Thunderball = Rik Van Nutter
Diamonds are Forever = Norman Burton
Live and Let Die, Licence to Kill = David Hedison
The Living Daylights = John Terry
Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, No Time to Die = Jeffrey Wright

Non-Eon
Never Say Never Again = Bernie Casey
Casino Royale (1954) = Michael Pate (Arguable since the character is renamed "Clarence Leiter")




The helicopter question has me puzzled.

Dr. No clearly no helicopters.
From Russia with Love has the famous scene where bond battles the helicopter on foot with a scoped rifle.
Goldfinger Felix Leighter is flying helicopter at the end searching for Bond.
Thunderball helicopters are used through the film in the Caribbean scenes for various things.
You Only Live Twice has many helicopters including a gadget helicopter and a helicopter battle.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service has a helicopter assault on Blofeld's alpine base.
Diamonds are Forever has a helicopter assault on Blofeld's oil rig.
Live and Let Die has a helicopter attack Bond in the jungle.
The Man with the Golden Gun, I cannot think of one.
The Spy Who Loved me, Bond gets chased by one in the submarine car.
Moonraker, Bond is flown in one to Drax's estate.
For your Eyes Only, the pre-credit scene is all about a remote controlled helicopter than Bond is locked in.
Octopussy, I am not sure, there are plane scenes including a military air base, so there probably is a helicopter somewhere.
A View to a Kill, Pre-credit scene has Russian choppers when he is skiing/snowboarding.
The Living Daylights I cannot think of a helicopter, but this movie also has a lot of military airfield scenes so there is probably one somewhere.
License to Kill the pre-credit sequence has a Coast Guard helicopter that Bond rides to catch the villain.
Goldeneye, has the military helicopter that gets stolen.
Tomorrow Never Dies, Bond gets chased in Asia by a helicopter on a motorcycle.
The World is not Enough, there are those foresting helicopters which are later used as weapons in a pretty unique action scene.
Die Another Day, the pre-credit scene has helicopters, there may be some in the background in the military bases late in the movie.
Casino Royale, I was blank on this one, but apparently Bond rode in one as evidenced above.
Quantum of Solace, I cannot recall one.
Skyfall, Helicopters come on the deserted island to get the villain after they shoot the old pistols.
Spectre, pre-credit helicopter action scene


I would think it would be between Quantum of Solace, Living Daylights, Octopussy, or Man with the Golden Gun as those are the ones that I am not 100% certain had helicopters in some capacity. I would guess Man with the Golden Gun as that did not have any military base scenes, or modern settings where one could be randomly in the background, though the villain did have a flying car, and Bond flew a small aircraft towards the end, but I can't visualize a helicopter in any of the flying scenes. Octopussy, there are several scenes where it makes sense that a helicopter could be (including the pre-credit scene), the Living Daylights is the same concept (lots of military airfields, etc....), Quantum I am less sure of, but as it is modern, it seems like there must be one somewhere even in passing. But, I would think between those three for sure, and my guess would be Man with the Golden Gun simply by less opportunities for helicopters (and the story does not have settings where there is likely one in the background, and as action scenes are so sparse any kind of vehicle actions stands out in that film).
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I would think it would be between Quantum of Solace, Living Daylights, Octopussy, or Man with the Golden Gun as those are the ones that I am not 100% certain had helicopters in some capacity. I would guess Man with the Golden Gun as that did not have any military base scenes, or modern settings where one could be randomly in the background, though the villain did have a flying car, and Bond flew a small aircraft towards the end, but I can't visualize a helicopter in any of the flying scenes. Octopussy, there are several scenes where it makes sense that a helicopter could be (including the pre-credit scene), the Living Daylights is the same concept (lots of military airfields, etc....), Quantum I am less sure of, but as it is modern, it seems like there must be one somewhere even in passing. But, I would think between those three for sure, and my guess would be Man with the Golden Gun simply by less opportunities for helicopters (and the story does not have settings where there is likely one in the background, and as action scenes are so sparse any kind of vehicle actions stands out in that film).


Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!

Yes, TMWTGG features everything from planes to a flying car, but no helicopters. It's an utterly useless (but true) Bond fact but perhaps someone clever can make a 007 helicopter drinking game.

Octopussy helicopter...




The Living Daylights helicopter...




Quantum of Solace helicopter...



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To complete this Bond trivia weekend...

Hoplophobia is an irrational fear of firearms and armament, that include all sorts of guns. Hoplophobia is extracted from the Greek word ‘Hoplo’ meaning armaments and ‘Phobos’ meaning fear.

When Roger Moore was a young boy he developed this phobia after being shot in the leg by his brother with an airgun. This would cause occasional delays and reshoots on the set since he would involuntarily blink a lot when guns were around especially when he had to fire one. Quite a liability.
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Q: Now pay attention 007 fans. While we await the next gambling scene analysis from [inverted] M, here are more trivia questions to keep your wits sharp.

R: Half of them anyway.



Eon Series Films Only

001) In "Goldfinger", what special feature of the Aston Martin DB5 does Bond utilize that's not mentioned in the Q briefing?

002) In which film does 007 kill the least amount of people?

003) What soft drink brand has some blatant product placement at the cable car station in "Moonraker"?

004) In which film(s) does Bond receive a gunshot wound?

005) What was the first 007 title song to receive an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song?

006) Children's author Roald Dahl ("James and the Giant Peach", "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory") wrote the screenplay for which Bond film?

007) In "Dr. No", M refers to the British Secret Service as what?



Grow up 007 fans. There's NO searching allowed!
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Well, it seems all of our 00 agents were KIA for this one. You only live twice Mr. Bond fans. For those who are merely MIA, here are the weekend quiz answers...

Tire slashers.



Surprisingly, Scaramanga is the only person Bond actually kills in TMWTGG.



7-UP



Note the advertising continues on the billboards during the ambulance scene.


"Thunderball" and "Skyfall"





Live and Let Die



You Only Live Twice



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For getting shot technically You only live twice. He gets machine gunned so bad he is buried at sea.

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Good evening Mr. Bond fans. If you're wondering what I'm up to this time let me explain my plans in minute detail in case you escape and wish to contact MI6. The following trivia questions are about 007 villains. You're very clever Mr. Bond fans. I'm sure you'll have no troubles...

001: How many actors have played the role of Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

002: In which Bond films does the villain's plan have something to do with outer space?

003: I can crush a golf ball with my bare hand. Who am I?

004: I can crush a pair of dice with my bare hand. Who am I?

005: Name a main villain that essentially succeeded with his/her main plan.

006: At first, I'm sort of the main Bond girl. Then, I'm sort of the main Bond villain. Who am I?

007: This villain "does not drink, does not smoke, does not make love." Who is he?

While my henchmen may search you from your toenails to the last follicle on your head you may not search at all. And if you have trouble with the questions, try again. You can always play twice Mr. Bond fans.
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Good evening Mr. Bond fans. If you're wondering what I'm up to this time let me explain my plans in minute detail in case you escape and wish to contact MI6. The following trivia questions are about 007 villains. You're very clever Mr. Bond fans. I'm sure you'll have no troubles...

001: How many actors have played the role of Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

002: In which Bond films does the villain's plan have something to do with outer space?

003: I can crush a golf ball with my bare hand. Who am I?

004: I can crush a pair of dice with my bare hand. Who am I?

005: Name a main villain that essentially succeeded with his/her main plan.

006: At first, I'm sort of the main Bond girl. Then, I'm sort of the main Bond villain. Who am I?

007: This villain "does not drink, does not smoke, does not make love." Who is he?

While my henchmen may search you from your toenails to the last follicle on your head you may not search at all. And if you have trouble with the questions, try again. You can always play twice Mr. Bond fans.



1) trick question? because technically Blofeld was seen in silhouette in Thunderball. I'm not sure who so let's count him as one.

1: Thunderball...???
2: you only live twice. Donald pleasance
3: on her majesties secret service... Telly savalas
4: diamonds are forever. ??? Gray (no neck from rocky horror)
5: For Your Eyes Only... Face not shown
6: Never Say Never Again... Max Von Sydow

2) another trick question?

1: Dr. No (disrupting American rockets)
2: You only live twice
3: Diamonds are forever (there was something mentioned about space and diamonds)
4: Moonraker (obviously)

3) Odd-job

4) Indian stare down guy from Octopussy

5) not sure

6) Vesper Lynd?

7) Scaramanga
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1) trick question? because technically Blofeld was seen in silhouette in Thunderball. I'm not sure who so let's count him as one.

1: Thunderball...???
2: you only live twice. Donald pleasance
3: on her majesties secret service... Telly savalas
4: diamonds are forever. ??? Gray (no neck from rocky horror)
5: For Your Eyes Only... Face not shown
6: Never Say Never Again... Max Von Sydow

2) another trick question?

1: Dr. No (disrupting American rockets)
2: You only live twice
3: Diamonds are forever (there was something mentioned about space and diamonds)
4: Moonraker (obviously)

3) Odd-job

4) Indian stare down guy from Octopussy

5) not sure

6) Vesper Lynd?

7) Scaramanga


6 out of 7 correct
1) From Russia With Love, Thunderball: Anthony Dawson (who also played Professor Dent in Dr. No).
2) You Only Live Twice: Donald Pleasence
3) On Her Majesties Secret Service: Telly Savalas
4) Diamonds Are Forever: Charles (It's just a jump to the left) Gray
5) For Your Eyes Only: John Hollis
6) Never Say Never Again: Max Von Sydow
7) ?



4 out of 7 correct
1) Dr. No (Project Mercury)
2) You Only Live Twice (Disappearance of American and Russian astronauts)
3) Diamonds Are Forever (Diamond satellite)
4) Moonraker (Moonraker shuttles, Drax's space station)
5) ?
6) ?
7) ?


Correct!



Correct! Villain = Gobinda



005) ?

006) Good guess but incorrect. Vesper makes a deal with the villains to save Bond's life but isn't in charge.

007) Incorrect
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:17:54 PM permalink
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6 out of 7 correct
1) From Russia With Love, Thunderball: Anthony Dawson (who also played Professor Dent in Dr. No).
2) You Only Live Twice: Donald Pleasence
3) On Her Majesties Secret Service: Telly Savalas
4) Diamonds Are Forever: Charles (It's just a jump to the left) Gray
5) For Your Eyes Only: John Hollis
6) Never Say Never Again: Max Von Sydow
7) ?



4 out of 7 correct
1) Dr. No (Project Mercury)
2) You Only Live Twice (Disappearance of American and Russian astronauts)
3) Diamonds Are Forever (Diamond satellite)
4) Moonraker (Moonraker shuttles, Drax's space station)
5) ?
6) ?
7) ?


Correct!



Correct! Villain = Gobinda



005) ?

006) Good guess but incorrect. Vesper makes a deal with the villains to save Bond's life but isn't in charge.

007) Incorrect



Number 7). Second guess. Robert Shaw from From Russia With Love
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August 8th, 2021 at 3:21:34 PM permalink
005) The Skyfall villian who mainly wanted to kill M.
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August 8th, 2021 at 5:03:08 PM permalink
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Number 7). Second guess. Robert Shaw from From Russia With Love


007) Incorrect. In fact, his red wine with fish is a minor plot point.


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005) The Skyfall villian who mainly wanted to kill M.


Correct!! His main plan was to kill M. Mission accomplished.

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