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odiousgambit
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May 18th, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM permalink
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Note Bond's first two cards are exactly the same in both hands -- the queen of spades and the 5 of diamonds. I think this was just terrible editing, where Bond really did have a 9 in the first hand and they put in a close of up the five, meant for the second hand only, instead of some nine-point hand.

If so it's unforgivable, as they show Bond revealing his hand dramatically, practically in slo-mo

which is more unforgivable, showing him cheat in a way that wouldn't work, or this?

I think you are right though.
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May 18th, 2021 at 1:50:43 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

which is more unforgivable, showing him cheat in a way that wouldn't work, or this?



Hmmm. I like to throw stones either way, but I guess a mistake in editing is the lesser sin.

I complain much more loudly how movies and television make card counting look the player has a 80% advantage, when it it more like 1% in reality.
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May 18th, 2021 at 2:39:14 PM permalink
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Hmmm. I like to throw stones either way, but I guess a mistake in editing is the lesser sin.

I complain much more loudly how movies and television make card counting look the player has a 80% advantage, when it it more like 1% in reality.



Not to mention making card counting look like it's illegal to do
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May 18th, 2021 at 3:30:37 PM permalink
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Can anyone verify the dealer says nine in French in the first hand? Translation sites say the word for nine in French is neuf, which sounds like what the dealer is saying, but I know French pronunciation is often not as it looks to the person used to English.

First of all, thanks for this thread. It's really great!

Yes, the dealer says nine in the first hand. The dealer's "neuf'" is slightly off because his French pronunciation is not as a native speaker. He's speaking French with what sounds like an Italian accent. From a production standpoint this makes a bit of sense because the scene takes place and was shot in Corfu, which was under Italian rule for quite a while, and where Italian and Greek/Italian dialects are still spoken. From a storyline perspective it makes sense too because it's doubtful the casino would have imported French croupiers.
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May 18th, 2021 at 3:53:15 PM permalink
Quote: UP84

First of all, thanks for this thread. It's really great!

Yes, the dealer says nine in the first hand. The dealer's "neuf'" is slightly off because his French pronunciation is not as a native speaker. He's speaking French with what sounds like an Italian accent. From a production standpoint this makes a bit of sense because the scene takes place and was shot in Corfu, which was under Italian rule for quite a while, and where Italian and Greek/Italian dialects are still spoken. From a storyline perspective it makes sense too because it's doubtful the casino would have imported French croupiers.



Je vous en prie!

Thank you for the history lesson -- I didn't know that.

If you have any other comments of the spoken French in the previously three clips discussed, I'm all ears.
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May 18th, 2021 at 5:26:00 PM permalink
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I'm all ears.


My totally-off-topic comment for today ....

To this day, whenever I hear the comment that the Wizard just used, I think of a Presidential campaign debate, waaay back in October 1992, during which one of the candidates also used it, for appropriate, humorous effect:

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May 19th, 2021 at 6:16:55 PM permalink
Today I suppose they would have simply digitally altered the 5 card to make a 9 card.

Darkoz has the right of it. They either missed it or were too cheap to do a pickup shot with someone's (not necessarily Roger Moore's) hands revealing a 9. Strange when you consider the budgets for Bond films.
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A few minor observations...


In four of the scenes, the punter with the shoe reveals the Banker hand immediately when the Player hand asks for a card, so it must be how it's done.

When the Player asks for a card, the card might be paddled to him or just handed to him by the Banker. Evidently it simply depends on how far apart they're sitting.

In all scenes, the cards have blank backs colored either blue or red. (Three decks of each I assume.) FYEO is an exception which also has what appears to be casino logos added.

In all scenes, the cards are the antique style with no numbers or letters at the corners. (I'd like to get a deck of these.) Dr. No is an exception.

Cards might be in poker or bridge size. (I guess there's no traditional standard.)

In which of these scenes does the real life wife of one of the six Bond actors make an appearance?

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What is the best Bond baccarat scene? You can make a decent argument for each of them. In terms of iconic scenes, however, you'd have to go with Dr. No which introduced Bond to movie audiences. Bond fanatics will tell you that the scene was, surprisingly, meant to be funny. Note the hapless punter sitting next to Ms. Trench who keeps calling "banco" only to be overruled by Sylvia's "Suivi!" Note Bond saying (with a smile) she's out to get him. And, of course, note Bond playfully mimicking her with the surname, first name, surname introduction -- now so famous that no one other than Bond (real or fictional) can use it without being laughed at.

I never picked up on this humor angle until it was pointed out to me. As one Bond reviewer (who also doesn't get the humor angle) puts it (and I paraphrase)...

If we're smiling it's because the scene is so cool that it can't possibly get any cooler. In fact, it picks up gobs of cool dripping from the film frames and rubs it in our faces. "Yeah," we think, "That's the guy I want to be."

And that was just Bond's first scene in the first movie. I smell money.
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May 19th, 2021 at 9:33:16 PM permalink
Here is how rank them, from best to worst:

Dr. No
T-ball
G-eye
OHMSS
FYEO
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May 19th, 2021 at 9:44:35 PM permalink
I'm getting sick of Chemin de Fer. Let's get back to Sean Connery with some craps.


Direct: https://youtu.be/V31rpJXbse4

Trivia: Which Vegas casino was bond playing at? For full credit, I want the name now, the name at the time, and the fictional name in the movie.

In general, I think this was a good scene. Lots of good jokes, especially the "Named after your father, I take it."

I don't know if times have changed or it's just me that I could be throwing around thousands of dollars at the craps table and women would still look right through me. Not in Panama though, any gringo betting red chips will get plenty of attention from Columbian beauties at the Veneto.
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May 20th, 2021 at 5:32:03 AM permalink
Trivia Question: In which of these scenes does the real life wife of one of the six Bond actors make an appearance? Answer: For Your Eyes Only. That looks like Cassandra Harris in the blue dress. (Real name: Sandra Colleen Waites.) She was married to Pierce Brosnan.

Harris died of ovarian cancer, at the age of 43. Ovarian cancer also took her mother's life and her daughter's life.

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