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May 17th, 2021 at 3:19:59 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

As long as you bring it up, let's discuss the casino scene in On Her Majesty's Secret Service next. Trivia -- This is the only film where Bond gets married.

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That's a technical distinction.

He gets married in You Only Live Twice.

It's an Asian ceremony and "part of his job" but he seems genuinely affected by his assigned wife
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May 17th, 2021 at 6:47:42 AM permalink
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I've never seen 'Goldeneye' ... probably because I was against Pierce Brosnan being the next James Bond and have never seen more than a few moments of any of them where Brosnan was Bond

Maybe I've reached a stage where I can get over that and start watching those movies. They don't seem to show up on Cable/Satellite though

There is a James Bond Channel on PlutoTV (which is a free service). I just watched GoldenEye over the weekend.
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May 17th, 2021 at 8:59:11 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That's a technical distinction.

He gets married in You Only Live Twice.

It's an Asian ceremony and "part of his job" but he seems genuinely affected by his assigned wife



Good point. I haven't seen that movie in decades and forgot about that part.
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May 18th, 2021 at 6:49:55 AM permalink
Let's move onto the final Chemin de Fer scene, this time from For Your Eyes Only.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEcRK09D88Y

This is my least favorite of the four. Here is what little I can see.

The scene starts with Bond banking. The first hand Bond loses natural 8 to 5. I don't understand why the winner acts like he just lost the hand.

Then the dealer (not to be confused with the banker), seems to be asking if the player wants to bet the full amount Bond is staking. Here is a time I wish I could speak French. The player ups his bet from 500,000 Greek drachma (I assume) to one million. It isn't stated what Bond's maximum stake is, but I assume one million.

Bond then makes a comment about it being an unfriendly shoe, for the player. This would seem more appropriate had the player lost the previous hand.

In the second hand, the player draw a card. Bond, as banker, reveals his total of another 5. We do not see what card the other player received, which I hate! Why not show it? Whatever it is, the player seems happy with it.

It's now Bond's turn. A man walks up to the table and says, "The odds favor standing pat." I could appreciate this scene so much more if it was revealed what the player's third card was. Here are what the odds favor, according to the player's third card against a Banker 5:

0,1,2,3,8,9 -- Stand
5,6,7 -- Hit
4 -- Strategic

Against a 4, the Banker should hit take the same action he thinks the player would have done with a two-card total of 5. As I've said before, if two logicians played chemin de fer, then the player would hit a 5 78% of the time.

Assuming the advisor thinks the player would stand on 5, then his advice would be correct. However, Bond responds to the advice, "If you play the odds." He then deals himself a 4, for a winning total of 9. Given that the player seems happy, I would hit too, unless I felt the player was putting on an act, which I don't read to be the case here.

I think this whole scene was badly shot. I tend to think whoever was in the editing room put in the wrong close up shots. When I did my videos with Angela it was always a pain to mix in the right close up shots, but something that should be done carefully. The way this was probably shot, as I do with my videos, was they did all the distant shots first and then did the close ups and put everything in the right order, hopefully, in the editing room. The editor, I suspect, didn't understand chemin de fer.

By the way, this same scene can be found at a video titled James Bond caught cheating at Baccarat. My question to that is, how did Bond cheat? If the shoe had a mirror, he could have seen the 4 he drew. However, I see no evidence that it did. Furthermore, Bond doesn't need to cheat, he always wins.
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May 18th, 2021 at 8:56:31 AM permalink
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there's no way people at the table would stay quiet if the count was 5 and the croupier called out nine. and there's no way a player betting half a mil wouldn't at least look at the cards and check that his 8 was beat. quite unrealistic. as for the second hand, i would have liked to seen the cards the player drew.

I think this person at least believes that Bond made his 5 look like a 9 to the dealer, who would have been looking from an disadvantageous angle maybe. Bond partly covers the card with his hand.

you'd have to be an idiot to think that would work
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May 18th, 2021 at 9:22:59 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I think this person at least believes that Bond made his 5 look like a 9 to the dealer, who would have been looking from an disadvantageous angle maybe. Bond partly covers the card with his hand.

you'd have to be an idiot to think that would work



Okay, I've watched the other video (below) several times and see what you mean. I didn't originally link to that one because I hate how it distorts the screen dimensions, making everything look too narrow.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXeyzF4sbJI

He notes that in the first hand, the dealer declares Bond's total a 9, when it is clearly 5. The one making the comment on the video seems to think Bond was tricking the dealer somehow, like a magician, making his 5 look like a 9, but I don't buy it.

Note Bond's first two cards are exactly the same in both hands -- the queen of spades and the 5 of diamonds. I think this was just terrible editing, where Bond really did have a 9 in the first hand and they put in a close of up the five, meant for the second hand only, instead of some nine-point hand.

Can anyone verify the dealer says nine in French in the first hand? Translation sites say the word for nine in French is neuf, which sounds like what the dealer is saying, but I know French pronunciation is often not as it looks to the person used to English.
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May 18th, 2021 at 10:31:56 AM permalink
Ah, the scene that has inspired so many "Ask the Wizard" questions. Here is a rough translation from another website...


(time) English (French):

(0:07) 500,000 from Banker (Cinq cent mille le Banco)

(0:08) Who will match? (Qui fait Banco? (I think))

(0:12) Banker, cards if you please. (Banco, cartes s'il vous plait.)

(0:24) 8 (huit)

(0:27) And 9 from Banker (et neuf la Banque?) [Even though Bond shows five = error in editing the film]

(0:40) 1 million from Banker, sir (Un million a Banco, monsieur)

(0:42) Who matches Banker? (Qui fait Banco?)

(0:58) 1 million (un million)

(1:02) Banker follows (Banco suivi)

(1:04) Cards, if you please (Cartes s'il vous plait)

(1:14) Card [hit me] (Carte)

(1:32) Nine to Banker (Neuf la Banque)

(1:36) I pass. (Je m'en passe.)
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May 18th, 2021 at 11:28:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, I've watched the other video (below) several times and see what you mean. I didn't originally link to that one because I hate how it distorts the screen dimensions, making everything look too narrow.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXeyzF4sbJI

He notes that in the first hand, the dealer declares Bond's total a 9, when it is clearly 5. The one making the comment on the video seems to think Bond was tricking the dealer somehow, like a magician, making his 5 look like a 9, but I don't buy it.

Note Bond's first two cards are exactly the same in both hands -- the queen of spades and the 5 of diamonds. I think this was just terrible editing, where Bond really did have a 9 in the first hand and they put in a close of up the five, meant for the second hand only, instead of some nine-point hand.

Can anyone verify the dealer says nine in French in the first hand? Translation sites say the word for nine in French is neuf, which sounds like what the dealer is saying, but I know French pronunciation is often not as it looks to the person used to English.



It appears to be an editorial mistake.

As someone who worked in editorial it should be pointed out not every editorial mistake is the fault of editorial.

For example on set the close-ups may not have been satisfactory or the footage may not have been logged properly (they don't print everything due to cost, there would be selected takes for printing. The outs can always be gone through for material if necessary but it's a chore especially if not catalogued properly).

Editorial may have placed the wrong shot in a temporary placement awaiting second unit production to assemble a crew to shoot the insert. Financing may have balked at the expenses of shooting such a quick close up (I can see a producer exclaiming no one will tell the difference so why spend the money)

Editorial may have simply forgotten the shot was a place holder and it wound up in the finished film (although that would technically also be an editorial mistake)

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May 18th, 2021 at 12:30:27 PM permalink
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...There are so many ways things go south in preparation of a movie



I don't disagree with that. Even the $%@# videos I make are a pain to edit.

However, there must be some stage in the process where they just sit and watch the movie from start to finish before signing off on it. Yes, I'm sure they are sick of the thing, but big movies miss such simple things.

Like, Kevin Spacey in 21 saying "It's a myth to always split eights and aces."

Or the whole math problem in Good Will Hunting.

I get that a movie director may not be an expert at math or blackjack, but can't they find someone to consult with who is?
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May 18th, 2021 at 12:44:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't disagree with that. Even the $%@# videos I make are a pain to edit.

However, there must be some stage in the process where they just sit and watch the movie from start to finish before signing off on it. Yes, I'm sure they are sick of the thing, but big movies miss such simple things.

Like, Kevin Spacey in 21 saying "It's a myth to always split eights and aces."

Or the whole math problem in Good Will Hunting.

I get that a movie director may not be an expert at math or blackjack, but can't they find someone to consult with who is?



Yes, it's true someone does sign off on the final project but he is generally a money man on one side. An artist, usually the director and/or editor on the other. They aren't interested in small gambling details or even correctness of details. They are looking at more artistic design

Is the scene to scene changes smooth. How is the color reproduction. How impactful are the final performance of the actors. Can a removal of a scene better show an actors emotions.

And from a business perspective they are concentrating on deliverables.

What scenes will be flagged by the MPAA. What subtitles may need different versions for different countries (Even something simple like the date being shown has to be accounted for as some countries show month first then day, others day first then month.)

It's a huge undertaking just signing off on the finished film and something like this wrong card in a close-up is probably going to fly by the wayside.

Finally, time frames can be impactful on mistakes. Film distribution is generally planned months ahead concurrently with millions of dollars in marketing. Rarely is a delay to theaters not going to cost millions. Even if the mistake of the five cardsl was noticed during the final going through no way they would allow it to cost them money at that point.
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May 18th, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Note Bond's first two cards are exactly the same in both hands -- the queen of spades and the 5 of diamonds. I think this was just terrible editing, where Bond really did have a 9 in the first hand and they put in a close of up the five, meant for the second hand only, instead of some nine-point hand.

If so it's unforgivable, as they show Bond revealing his hand dramatically, practically in slo-mo

which is more unforgivable, showing him cheat in a way that wouldn't work, or this?

I think you are right though.
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May 18th, 2021 at 1:50:43 PM permalink
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which is more unforgivable, showing him cheat in a way that wouldn't work, or this?



Hmmm. I like to throw stones either way, but I guess a mistake in editing is the lesser sin.

I complain much more loudly how movies and television make card counting look the player has a 80% advantage, when it it more like 1% in reality.
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May 18th, 2021 at 2:39:14 PM permalink
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Hmmm. I like to throw stones either way, but I guess a mistake in editing is the lesser sin.

I complain much more loudly how movies and television make card counting look the player has a 80% advantage, when it it more like 1% in reality.



Not to mention making card counting look like it's illegal to do
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May 18th, 2021 at 3:30:37 PM permalink
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Can anyone verify the dealer says nine in French in the first hand? Translation sites say the word for nine in French is neuf, which sounds like what the dealer is saying, but I know French pronunciation is often not as it looks to the person used to English.

First of all, thanks for this thread. It's really great!

Yes, the dealer says nine in the first hand. The dealer's "neuf'" is slightly off because his French pronunciation is not as a native speaker. He's speaking French with what sounds like an Italian accent. From a production standpoint this makes a bit of sense because the scene takes place and was shot in Corfu, which was under Italian rule for quite a while, and where Italian and Greek/Italian dialects are still spoken. From a storyline perspective it makes sense too because it's doubtful the casino would have imported French croupiers.
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May 18th, 2021 at 3:53:15 PM permalink
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First of all, thanks for this thread. It's really great!

Yes, the dealer says nine in the first hand. The dealer's "neuf'" is slightly off because his French pronunciation is not as a native speaker. He's speaking French with what sounds like an Italian accent. From a production standpoint this makes a bit of sense because the scene takes place and was shot in Corfu, which was under Italian rule for quite a while, and where Italian and Greek/Italian dialects are still spoken. From a storyline perspective it makes sense too because it's doubtful the casino would have imported French croupiers.



Je vous en prie!

Thank you for the history lesson -- I didn't know that.

If you have any other comments of the spoken French in the previously three clips discussed, I'm all ears.
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May 18th, 2021 at 5:26:00 PM permalink
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I'm all ears.


My totally-off-topic comment for today ....

To this day, whenever I hear the comment that the Wizard just used, I think of a Presidential campaign debate, waaay back in October 1992, during which one of the candidates also used it, for appropriate, humorous effect:

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May 19th, 2021 at 6:16:55 PM permalink
Today I suppose they would have simply digitally altered the 5 card to make a 9 card.

Darkoz has the right of it. They either missed it or were too cheap to do a pickup shot with someone's (not necessarily Roger Moore's) hands revealing a 9. Strange when you consider the budgets for Bond films.
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A few minor observations...


In four of the scenes, the punter with the shoe reveals the Banker hand immediately when the Player hand asks for a card, so it must be how it's done.

When the Player asks for a card, the card might be paddled to him or just handed to him by the Banker. Evidently it simply depends on how far apart they're sitting.

In all scenes, the cards have blank backs colored either blue or red. (Three decks of each I assume.) FYEO is an exception which also has what appears to be casino logos added.

In all scenes, the cards are the antique style with no numbers or letters at the corners. (I'd like to get a deck of these.) Dr. No is an exception.

Cards might be in poker or bridge size. (I guess there's no traditional standard.)

In which of these scenes does the real life wife of one of the six Bond actors make an appearance?

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What is the best Bond baccarat scene? You can make a decent argument for each of them. In terms of iconic scenes, however, you'd have to go with Dr. No which introduced Bond to movie audiences. Bond fanatics will tell you that the scene was, surprisingly, meant to be funny. Note the hapless punter sitting next to Ms. Trench who keeps calling "banco" only to be overruled by Sylvia's "Suivi!" Note Bond saying (with a smile) she's out to get him. And, of course, note Bond playfully mimicking her with the surname, first name, surname introduction -- now so famous that no one other than Bond (real or fictional) can use it without being laughed at.

I never picked up on this humor angle until it was pointed out to me. As one Bond reviewer (who also doesn't get the humor angle) puts it (and I paraphrase)...

If we're smiling it's because the scene is so cool that it can't possibly get any cooler. In fact, it picks up gobs of cool dripping from the film frames and rubs it in our faces. "Yeah," we think, "That's the guy I want to be."

And that was just Bond's first scene in the first movie. I smell money.
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May 19th, 2021 at 9:33:16 PM permalink
Here is how rank them, from best to worst:

Dr. No
T-ball
G-eye
OHMSS
FYEO
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May 19th, 2021 at 9:44:35 PM permalink
I'm getting sick of Chemin de Fer. Let's get back to Sean Connery with some craps.


Direct: https://youtu.be/V31rpJXbse4

Trivia: Which Vegas casino was bond playing at? For full credit, I want the name now, the name at the time, and the fictional name in the movie.

In general, I think this was a good scene. Lots of good jokes, especially the "Named after your father, I take it."

I don't know if times have changed or it's just me that I could be throwing around thousands of dollars at the craps table and women would still look right through me. Not in Panama though, any gringo betting red chips will get plenty of attention from Columbian beauties at the Veneto.
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May 20th, 2021 at 5:32:03 AM permalink
Trivia Question: In which of these scenes does the real life wife of one of the six Bond actors make an appearance? Answer: For Your Eyes Only. That looks like Cassandra Harris in the blue dress. (Real name: Sandra Colleen Waites.) She was married to Pierce Brosnan.

Harris died of ovarian cancer, at the age of 43. Ovarian cancer also took her mother's life and her daughter's life.
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:04:54 AM permalink
Trivia: Which Vegas casino was bond playing at? For full credit, I want the name now, the name at the time, and the fictional name in the movie.

Bond was playing craps at the Whyte House, the casino owned by Willard Whyte. (Played by actor Jimmy Dean.)

For the exterior shots of the Whyte House, the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino was used, formerly known as the Las Vegas Hilton, of course.

The interior shots for this craps scene were done at what was the Riviera Hotel and Casino.

(http://movie-locations.com/movies/d/Diamonds-Are-Forever.php)
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:39:22 AM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Trivia Question: In which of these scenes does the real life wife of one of the six Bond actors make an appearance? Answer: For Your Eyes Only. That looks like Cassandra Harris in the blue dress. (Real name: Sandra Colleen Waites.) She was married to Pierce Brosnan.

Harris died of ovarian cancer, at the age of 43. Ovarian cancer also took her mother's life and her daughter's life.


Winner! Winner!

Unlike most of the casino scenes, this one has little to do with the plot. It merely adds some Bond-ish atmosphere while introducing the minor character of "Countess" Lisl von Schlaf. While visiting his wife on the set, Brosnan was introduced to "Cubby" Broccoli and became a potential Roger Moore replacement.
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May 20th, 2021 at 7:06:29 AM permalink
Fair looking it up this time, evidently

leaving only 'what is the joke'? for trivia

Sounds to me like she says her name is Plenty O'Toole? O'Something else? In any case I don't get the joke ... outside of those boobs. The 'father' part of the joke I don't get
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May 20th, 2021 at 2:46:16 PM permalink
Quote: EdCollins

Trivia: Which Vegas casino was bond playing at? For full credit, I want the name now, the name at the time, and the fictional name in the movie.

Bond was playing craps at the Whyte House, the casino owned by Willard Whyte. (Played by actor Jimmy Dean.)

For the exterior shots of the Whyte House, the Westgate Las Vegas Resort & Casino was used, formerly known as the Las Vegas Hilton, of course.

The interior shots for this craps scene were done at what was the Riviera Hotel and Casino.

(http://movie-locations.com/movies/d/Diamonds-Are-Forever.php)



I did not know that about the Riviera.

The only correction I would make, and I could be wrong, is I thought the hotel for the exterior shots was known as the International at the time. It would later become the Las Vegas Hilton, then the LVH, and now the Westgate.
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Sounds to me like she says her name is Plenty O'Toole? O'Something else? In any case I don't get the joke ... outside of those boobs. The 'father' part of the joke I don't get



Jokes always lose their humor if they have to be explained, however I'll give you my interpretation.

Here is how it goes, and I'm paraphrasing.

Plenty: "I'm Plenty."
Bond: "But of course you are."
Plenty: "My full name is Plenty O'Toole."
Bond: "Named after your father, I assume."

Bond's first comment I take to be a reference to her boobs.
The second one, I took to be an implication that her father was well endowed too, in a masculine way. I vaguely recall that "tool" was sometimes used as a slang term for penis back in the 70's.

*test edit*
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May 20th, 2021 at 3:09:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Jokes always lose their humor if they have to be explained, however I'll give you my interpretation.

Here is how it goes, and I'm paraphrasing.

Plenty: "I'm Plenty."
Bond: "But of course you are."
Plenty: "My full name is Plenty O'Toole."
Bond: "Named after your father, I assume."

Bond's first comment I take to be a reference to her boobs.
The second one, I took to be an implication that her father was well endowed too, in a masculine way. I vaguely recall that "tool" was sometimes used as a slang term for penis back in the 70's.



Most definitely tool was and is slang for penis.

It might be regional. For example when I lived in California a "knot" was slang for a large roll of cash in your pocket. That's not a NY term and at first I had no idea what they were talking about
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May 20th, 2021 at 4:32:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The only correction I would make, and I could be wrong, is I thought the hotel for the exterior shots was known as the International at the time. It would later become the Las Vegas Hilton, then the LVH, and now the Westgate.

It might very well have been The International at the time.

Diamonds are Forever came out on December 17, 1971. Earlier that same year, in July of '71, that casino was renamed from The International to the Las Vegas Hilton. So it was indeed the Las Vegas Hilton when the movie came out.

Ah, but when during that year were the exterior shots actually filmed? If they were filmed before July, and that is actually quite likely, then yes, it was The International at the time of filming.
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May 20th, 2021 at 4:54:58 PM permalink
Yes, it was still called The International when the movie was being filmed.
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:05:22 PM permalink
A few random observations about the scene...

  • Compared to all the other casino scenes, people in Vegas dress like slobs.
  • The film came out before Star Wars so, evidently, no one has heard of the dark side.
  • Apart from Bond, only one other person seems to understand the odds bet.
  • In fact, you could simplify this table down to PASS and FIELD.
  • Will the Wizard wag his finger at Bond's center bets? Well, Bond (being Bond) turns $4,000 into $55,000 (that's over $350,000 in today's money) so the Wiz will have his work cut out for him trying to spread the gospel at this table.
  • I think I could have made very passable counterfeit versions of those five and ten thousand dollar casino plaques in my junior high school shop class.
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:25:34 PM permalink
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Yes, it was still called The International when the movie was being filmed.



I am honestly shocked that Bill Cosby had such massive advertisements back then (movie came out in 1971, so these are probably from 1970 or early 1971). I did not think he was big until the 1980s-1990s, but I guess he must have been a big name in the early 70s. (Sorry for the derail, I just thought it was an interesting detail).
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:46:38 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

A few random observations about the scene...
Will the Wizard wag his finger at Bond's center bets? Well, Bond (being Bond) turns $4,000 into $55,000 (that's over $350,000 in today's money) so the Wiz will have his work cut out for him trying to spread the gospel at this table.



Absolutely, Bond gets the Wizard finger-wagging of shame of betting the hard ways and the 11 (note he says "eleven" and no "yo"). It doesn't matter than he turned $4,000 into $55,000. As I always say, it's not whether you win or lose, but whether you had a good bet. I applaud him for taking the "full odds," I must say.



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I think I could have made very passable counterfeit versions of those five and ten thousand dollar casino plaques in my junior high school shop class.



Well put! I was thinking of commenting on that. I had a feeling there was a good joke there somewhere, but couldn't find one myself.
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May 20th, 2021 at 6:51:56 PM permalink
Question -- At the 1:45 point in the video, after establishing a point of 10, Bond says, in part, "I'll take the limit on all the numbers."

My question is would this be making a buy bet on the 10, or would it be understood that he wants the 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9, but not the 10, because he already has plenty on that between his pass bet and the "full odds" on it?
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May 20th, 2021 at 7:23:11 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Question -- At the 1:45 point in the video, after establishing a point of 10, Bond says, in part, "I'll take the limit on all the numbers."

My question is would this be making a buy bet on the 10, or would it be understood that he wants the 4, 5, 6, 8, and 9, but not the 10, because he already has plenty on that between his pass bet and the "full odds" on it?



Back then I’m not sure. These days, it would be the same as saying “across” so would not include buying the 10, since that’s the point.
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May 20th, 2021 at 7:39:24 PM permalink
Great thread Mr. WIZ!

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May 21st, 2021 at 9:06:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Jokes always lose their humor if they have to be explained, however I'll give you my interpretation.

Here is how it goes, and I'm paraphrasing.

Plenty: "I'm Plenty."
Bond: "But of course you are."
Plenty: "My full name is Plenty O'Toole."
Bond: "Named after your father, I assume."

Bond's first comment I take to be a reference to her boobs.
The second one, I took to be an implication that her father was well endowed too, in a masculine way. I vaguely recall that "tool" was sometimes used as a slang term for penis back in the 70's.



I never got the joke in the sense that what does her father being well-endowed have to do with Plenty being well-endowed?

I've probably been overthinking it, and the moviemakers just wanted to throw in a boner joke as a follow up.
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May 21st, 2021 at 9:34:08 AM permalink
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I never got the joke in the sense that what does her father being well-endowed have to do with Plenty being well-endowed?



I don't think the joke implied a connection there. Kids are named after their parents all the time.

The more it gets analyzed, the less funny it gets.
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May 21st, 2021 at 1:27:24 PM permalink
Speaking of Bond shooting craps...

Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
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May 21st, 2021 at 4:58:45 PM permalink
Here is another scene from Diamonds are Forever, of Q cheating at slots.


Direct: https://youtu.be/yGYikSmE4VY

I thought this scene didn't fit well with the movie or all Bond movies. Q is supposed to be one of the "good guys," as the woman in the scene puts it, but here he is committing a felony, at least by today's rules. I would prefer that to the alternative "old school" punishment.

I take RPM to stand for revolutions per minute. Anyone have any other ideas?
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May 21st, 2021 at 6:05:19 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is another scene from Diamonds are Forever, of Q cheating at slots.


Direct: https://youtu.be/yGYikSmE4VY

I thought this scene didn't fit well with the movie or all Bond movies. Q is supposed to be one of the "good guys," as the woman in the scene puts it, but here he is committing a felony, at least by today's rules. I would prefer that to the alternative "old school" punishment.

I take RPM to stand for revolutions per minute. Anyone have any other ideas?



Most accurate portrayal of law enforcement.

Catch the bad guys, claim to be absolutely upstanding while committing crimes on the down low.

I mean technically, James Bond has a "License to kill". Ummm, really, that never caused a class action lawsuit?

All the explosions Bond caused over the years and not one family sued for accidental death?

At the trial:.
Plaintiff attorney: So James Bond threw the guy off the cliff? What did he say next?"

Plaintiff: "He cracked a witty one liner!"

Plaintiff attorney: "License to Kill without regards to human life?"

Not to mention his British license to kill almost certainly would not be honored in Las Vegas, hmmmm!
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May 22nd, 2021 at 10:17:50 AM permalink
I am honestly shocked that Bill Cosby had such massive advertisements back then (movie came out in 1971, so these are probably from 1970 or early 1971). I did not think he was big until the 1980s-1990s, but I guess he must have been a big name in the early 70s. (Sorry for the derail, I just thought it was an interesting detail).



I saw Bill Cosby in LV. It was either 1971, 72, or 73, BC. (Before Children)

His comedy routine was to analyze how people gambled in the casinos.

He described all the crazy habits people had playing Craps. He described how Craps players would shout out numbers when the dice were thrown. If the point number was 6, people would yell out numbers like 3-3, 33, 4-2, 42, 24. He explained how crazy it was to yell out numbers.

He told the audience to get a pair of dice and to take them back to their room. They should make sure that the door was locked. He then said to place the dice on the dresser. Stand back three feet and yell as loud as you can COME ON SEVEN

He then looked at the audience and said "Tell me if the dice move!"
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May 22nd, 2021 at 11:07:44 AM permalink
Pop quiz, what other non-casino games have been featured in bond films?

I can think of 2 off the top of my head.

Golf in goldfinger doesn’t count.
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May 22nd, 2021 at 11:24:19 AM permalink
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Pop quiz, what other non-casino games have been featured in bond films?

I can think of 2 off the top of my head.

Golf in goldfinger doesn’t count.



(I am not sure if it counts), but there was that arcade game in the Casino "Domination" where Bond takes on Largo in the game. But, this was Never Say Never Again.

The Fencing match in Die Another Day also comes to mind (where they are betting the diamonds).
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May 22nd, 2021 at 11:25:33 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

(I am not sure if it counts), but there was that arcade game in the Casino "Domination" where Bond takes on Largo in the game. But, this was Never Say Never Again.

The Fencing match in Die Another Day also comes to mind (where they are betting the diamonds).


Those are both good, but I was thinking more along the lines of card/board games.
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May 22nd, 2021 at 11:31:25 AM permalink
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Those are both good, but I was thinking more along the lines of card/board games.



Backgammon was played by Bond in Octopussy.

Chess was big in From Russia With Love (one of the villains was a pro player), but Bond never played.

Those are the two board games I can think of offhand.
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May 22nd, 2021 at 11:37:04 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Backgammon was played by Bond in Octopussy.

Chess was big in From Russia With Love (one of the villains was a pro player), but Bond never played.

Those are the two board games I can think of offhand.


Nice, I forgot about that chess scene.

The two I was thinking of were Backgammon in Octopussy, and Gin Rummy in Goldfinger.
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May 22nd, 2021 at 2:46:44 PM permalink
Gin Rummy was also played in LALD with Bond losing to Solitaire. (She's really good with cards.)

Another game (which might get analyzed on this thread) is the High Card scene in TWINE. Of course, there was more to that game than first meets the eye.
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Although it all sounds fairly logical, especially the bit where Q describes how the process causes the stuttering of the cylinders, the slot machine technology has moved on so quickly that even if this marvelous gadget had worked, it would have been obsolete fairly speedily.



Today, you can still "use" the ring yourself playing the DAF slot machine...


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As for MI-6 personnel getting away with things, darkoz has a point. For example, Felix Leiter in LALD twice has to show up to "fix things" with the cops for Bond. He wasn't always so fortunate though. In this scene from AVTAK (deleted since it was too silly even for Roger Moore) Bond is thrown in jail for all the havoc he wreaks in Paris. An embarrassed M has to show up and bail him out...

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May 24th, 2021 at 8:35:28 AM permalink
Wizard:

I know it's easy to overlook but what about the Baccarat scenes in the 1967 Casino Royale spoof?

Although a spoof, the gambling scene is handled pretty seriously
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May 24th, 2021 at 10:59:18 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wizard:

I know it's easy to overlook but what about the Baccarat scenes in the 1967 Casino Royale spoof?

Although a spoof, the gambling scene is handled pretty seriously



I never considered that to be a true Bond film.
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May 24th, 2021 at 11:22:17 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I never considered that to be a true Bond film.



Yes, it's a difficult call.

But it is based on the Ian Fleming novel and was licensed properly by the estate.

Interestingly, it's closer in plot to the book than I can say for some serious Bond films like Spy Who Loved Me and Man with The Golden Gun.

The Burt Bacharach theme song is actually as good as any Bond theme song.

Finally if the argument is it's not part of the Broccoli produced films then that would negate Never Say Never Again which I would disagree with.

But just for fun I think you should include the gambling scene from it
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May 24th, 2021 at 12:12:40 PM permalink
What about the 1954 game?

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