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OnceDear
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August 5th, 2020 at 1:55:59 AM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I don't doubt his integrity. From his writings and (now) videos, he comes across as an eccentric genius (with brassy overtones). I merely think what he's asking goes beyond entertainment and into tedium. A board game site might be a better venue to introduce his creation.

Unfortunately, we can't quote users currently sitting in WOV jail but, that first video was, I confess, entertaining.

I won't penalise for quoting what he says about the game or cards in those videos. Leave out his diatribe about us and let's not attack the guy or his mannerisms, either while he's suspended or not.
I sincerely hope that he can be less hostile when he returns and that we can all keep it civil. He's clearly very passionate about his game.
Take care out there. Spare a thought for the newly poor who were happy in their world just a few days ago, but whose whole way of life just collapsed..
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OnceDear
August 5th, 2020 at 4:56:17 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I won't penalise for quoting what he says about the game or cards in those videos. Leave out his diatribe about us and let's not attack the guy or his mannerisms, either while he's suspended or not.
I sincerely hope that he can be less hostile when he returns and that we can all keep it civil. He's clearly very passionate about his game.



I feel bad for him. He's obviously very intelligent. I've met a few game inventors, that unfortunately were too smart. Players aren't smart. Players don't want to have tons of strategic choices. Casinos don't want players to have tons of strategic choices.

The game will obviously never make it. If this truly is his life work and he's expecting it to make it big, he's in for a lot of frustration and rejection. If/when he comes back I'll happily give him some insight from the other side of the table. Pretty sure he won't be too interested though.


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August 5th, 2020 at 5:08:27 AM permalink
He sometimes attends my live streams. The next one is tomorrow. If he attends, I hope he behaves himself.
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August 8th, 2020 at 1:43:07 PM permalink
I've only had a quick look at normal poker hands and then whether they're all suited (all five cards) and/or all coloured. I've ignored rainbow for this quick look. (The only way to get Suited and Coloured is with a Straight.)

Getting a flush or coloured is fairly difficult, whereas getting cards to match (Pairs Trips etc.) is relatively easy. I'm guessing rainbow hands would account for about 4% (approx .8*.6*.4*.2) of non-coloured hands.

I haven't double checked the figures except that they add up!
Coloured Quins :
20
SandC Straight :
20
Suited Quads :
400
Coloured Quads :
2 000
Suited Full House :
2 400
Suited Straight :
5 100
Coloured Full House :
8 000
Suited Trips :
9 600
Coloured Straight :
12 480
Suited Two Pairs :
21 600
Coloured Trips :
30 000
Suited One Pair :
38 400
Coloured Two Pairs :
60 000
Quins :
77 500
Coloured One Pair :
100 000
Quads :
1 935 600
Straight :
3 182 400
Full House :
4 321 600
Trips :
13 640 400
Two Pairs :
21 578 400
One Pair :
30 261 600
Zcore13
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August 8th, 2020 at 5:20:21 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I've only had a quick look at normal poker hands and then whether they're all suited (all five cards) and/or all coloured. I've ignored rainbow for this quick look. (The only way to get Suited and Coloured is with a Straight.)

Getting a flush or coloured is fairly difficult, whereas getting cards to match (Pairs Trips etc.) is relatively easy. I'm guessing rainbow hands would account for about 4% (approx .8*.6*.4*.2) of non-coloured hands.

I haven't double checked the figures except that they add up!

Coloured Quins :
20
SandC Straight :
20
Suited Quads :
400
Coloured Quads :
2 000
Suited Full House :
2 400
Suited Straight :
5 100
Coloured Full House :
8 000
Suited Trips :
9 600
Coloured Straight :
12 480
Suited Two Pairs :
21 600
Coloured Trips :
30 000
Suited One Pair :
38 400
Coloured Two Pairs :
60 000
Quins :
77 500
Coloured One Pair :
100 000
Quads :
1 935 600
Straight :
3 182 400
Full House :
4 321 600
Trips :
13 640 400
Two Pairs :
21 578 400
One Pair :
30 261 600



Oh no you didn't! You did not just do his life's work in a few spare minutes! :)


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charliepatrick
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August 8th, 2020 at 10:29:09 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Oh no you didn't! You did not just do his life's work in a few spare minutes! :) ... ZCore13

No - there's an error in them! (Swap suited and coloured). However for a standard deck (while I was cooking breakfast, set noofranks=13 and check for A5432), at least coloured straight is 1/624th of a normal straight.
Suited Quins :
52
0.000 001%
SandC Straight :
200
0.000 002%
Coloured Quads :
3 120
0.000 033%
Suited Quads :
15 600
0.000 164%
Coloured Full House :
18 720
0.000 197%
SandC High Card :
25 540
0.000 268%
Coloured Straight :
51 000
0.000 535%
Suited Full House :
62 400
0.000 655%
Suited Straight :
124 800
0.001 310%
Quins :
201 500
0.002 115%
Coloured Trips :
274 560
0.002 882%
Coloured Two Pairs :
617 760
0.006 485%
Suited Trips :
858 000
0.009 007%
Suited Two Pairs :
1 716 000
0.018 015%
Coloured One Pair :
5 491 200
0.057 648%
Coloured High Card :
6 512 700
0.068 372%
Suited One Pair :
14 300 000
0.150 124%
Quads :
15 097 680
0.158 499%
Suited High Card :
15 936 960
0.167 310%
Straight :
31 824 000
0.334 095%
Full House :
33 708 480
0.353 879%
Trips :
390 115 440
4.095 515%
Two Pairs :
617 142 240
6.478 890%
High Card :
4 063 924 800
42.663 944%
One Pair :
4 327 408 800
45.430 055%

Regular deck - note since there's only one colour, everything is coloured. SandC therefore means suited.
Also note that in multi-deck (as above) the hand chances of various ranks are different, e.g Full House easier than Straight.
SandC Straight :
40
0.001 539%
Coloured Quads :
624
0.024 010%
Coloured Full House :
3 744
0.144 058%
SandC High Card :
5 108
0.196 540%
Coloured Straight :
10 200
0.392 465%
Coloured Trips :
54 912
2.112 845%
Coloured Two Pairs :
123 552
4.753 902%
Coloured One Pair :
1 098 240
42.256 903%
Coloured High Card :
1 302 540
50.117 739%

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