Cooperation Game II
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Quote: NathanI'm in, how does this work? I realize by what I said is the equivalent of signing a contract and THEN reading the fine print, ;) This Cooperation Game seems like fun. Do I have to put up money in PayPal or anything like that? Because I do not have a PayPal account. ;)
It's fun until romes screws it up
Quote: KeeneoneIf you need one more to make an even # of players, I am in.
Got it. All newcomers are welcome until I get this going tomorrow morning.
...until I don't.
lets all vote share then donate the money to Nathan so she can make more youtube videos. Actresses are expensive I'm sure.Quote: AyecarumbaI'm going on the record right now that I will vote "share" every round...
...until I don't.
Eh, I kind of agree, in theory, but there are tons of people (axel, rs, etc, etc) that just want to watch the world burn, so the're not going to cooperate.Quote: SOOPOOMike, I've done some thinking..... I do not think this will be as much fun for you as the previous game. Someone earlier mentioned the only real possible strategy that a mess of a group like us can adopt, that is, to pick one team to share while the others steal, and alternate that team. The 'steal' teams will never have any difficulty in selecting steal, and the single share team will have no incentive to go against the wishes of the entire group. Since the last iteration had the majority of the members pooling the money anyway there will not even be any incentive to lie, and if the team selected to 'share' does lie, they get no benefit anyway. I think the 'collusion' 'teamwork' is too easy with the rules you have established. JMHO.
So I think we're going to try to have fun with the game, people will sh*t on it, then everyone will steal and no one will get anything.
I think the "teams" are kind of a mute point, because it takes the cooperation of EVERYONE. The ONE thing I do like about the teams is if they truly are random (I hope but understand mike can do what he wants) then hopefully it will randomize the "steal" votes and enough people whom want to do the greater good will outvote them. But really, I doubt there will be a ton of coordinated effort, which will lead to a bunch of people trying to steal (for the extra $0.50) and then no one getting anything to have fun with.
***Do we get to see ALL of the teams rosters each week/vote? Then we can basically know if there's a "trouble" team...
What the hell are you talking about? I think your hate for our wonderful president has really gotten to you.Quote: RomesEh, I kind of agree, in theory, but there are tons of people (axel, rs, etc, etc) that just want to watch the world burn, so the're not going to cooperate.
I bet you would watch the world burn if it meant burning down Trump with it.
IIRC RS and I both were very cooperative and never lied about what we were going to do and always choose to share.
I cant remember how you played?
I do remember people watched their investment money burn shortly after.
I agree. I think it should be played survivor syle and someone gets voted out each time. Winner gets half of all money earned along the way.Quote: SOOPOOMike, I've done some thinking..... I do not think this will be as much fun for you as the previous game. Someone earlier mentioned the only real possible strategy that a mess of a group like us can adopt, that is, to pick one team to share while the others steal, and alternate that team. The 'steal' teams will never have any difficulty in selecting steal, and the single share team will have no incentive to go against the wishes of the entire group. Since the last iteration had the majority of the members pooling the money anyway there will not even be any incentive to lie, and if the team selected to 'share' does lie, they get no benefit anyway. I think the 'collusion' 'teamwork' is too easy with the rules you have established. JMHO.
If Wizard does do it, note that the first one, on August 16, wasn't an actual bid, because it was before the game started, which was a joke at $2.
So, I am torn between my ignorance of the subleties of the game, my desire not to screw up, and - at the 1% level - a desire for revenge.
I always voted share/$1 or whatever it was.Quote: AxelWolf...I cant remember how you played?
I do remember people watched their investment money burn shortly after.
Next, you've said this like literally a dozen times... I never wanted to, nor volunteered to pool the money and do anything specific with it. I made 1 general comment in the thread like "hell we only have like $20, why not throw it on a wiz half point parlay or something" and then all the sudden I was in charge of doing that. I'm a team player, so I went along with it. You wanted to work the $20 up to like $100 in a couple weeks, and if I recall correctly OTHERS in the thread said they didn't want to wait weeks to do something and just wanted a conclusion to our fun adventure. The masses voted and we put the money on some half point parlays which fizzled out. I fail to see how your comments of me "burning" everyone's investment (again like I did anything other than take votes from the masses) has anything to do with anything other than attempting to troll/bait me?
Quote: RomesI always voted share/$1 or whatever it was.
Next, you've said this like literally a dozen times... I never wanted to, nor volunteered to pool the money and do anything specific with it. I made 1 general comment in the thread like "hell we only have like $20, why not throw it on a wiz half point parlay or something" and then all the sudden I was in charge of doing that. I'm a team player, so I went along with it. You wanted to work the $20 up to like $100 in a couple weeks, and if I recall correctly OTHERS in the thread said they didn't want to wait weeks to do something and just wanted a conclusion to our fun adventure. The masses voted and we put the money on some half point parlays which fizzled out. I fail to see how your comments of me "burning" everyone's investment (again like I did anything other than take votes from the masses) has anything to do with anything other than attempting to troll/bait me?
If i remember correctly the group thought you were making the bets on a week that they would have actually won quite a bit of money, but somehow you didn't make those bets. The subsequent week when the bets were actually made the selections weren't winners. I can assure you Axel IS trolling you, and actually holds no ill will towards you. I believe the phrase 'no good deed goes unpunished' applies here......
Quote: RomesI fail to see how your comments of me "burning" everyone's investment (again like I did anything other than take votes from the masses) has anything to do with anything other than attempting to troll/bait me?
Jesus will you two just bang it out already.
Quote: WizardSorry, this time I will do this Survivor style and reserve the right to tweak the rules as I go. However, here will be the general rules:
- Players will be divided into teams of five players each.
- Who will be on what team will be my choosing. The first round will be random. After that, I can mix things up, or keep them the same, however I like.
- I will make public before each vote who is on what team.
- Each player must submit a "share" or "steal" vote to me by PM.
- The majority vote of each team will determine a single vote for that entire team. Like the electoral college.
- I will make public the team votes only, not who voted for what or by what margin. For example, I'll say "Team x voted share."
- Prize money for each round will first be divided equally among all teams as follows:
* If all teams vote "share," then they split the prize money equally
* If all teams vote "steal," then nobody gets anything for that round
* If there are a mix of "share" and "steal" votes among the teams, then those voting "steal" shall share in the prize pool for that round and the "share" teams get nothing- The team prize money will be divided equally among all members of that team, regardless of the individual votes
- In the event non-voters cause a tie on any given team, I will randomly select a number for each player. The voting player with the highest number will break the tie.
- I will not have much tolerance for non-voting players. A waiting list will be formed once the game starts of people wishing to fill in the shoes of those who don't vote.
- Players may submit votes in advance if necessary due to being on vacation.
Any questions? I'd like to announce teams on Friday and set July 1 as the deadline for the first round of votes.
Here are a couple of suggestions for “twists”:
- The first to reply from each team gets three votes, or immunity from a “Whammy!” (see below for detail on the “Whammy!”
- Randomly introduce a “Whammy!” that wipes a team’s running total back to zed.
I browsed through all the 97 pages of the first co-operation game and one thing I missed was a proper post-game analysis. There was only this post from Wizard: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/26573-cooperation-game/94/#post553449.
Then at the end some sort of additional wager would need to be made be it a parlay, craps bet, roulette whatever bet the team decides
Have some fun with it, it is free money
It is/was well known that I did not live in Vegas and that I was not the one that would be walking to a sports book to place these bets. The first week we discussed half point parlays was a great week, but no one in Vegas was available to make the bets, thus they didn't get made. The first week we "toyed" with making the bets I was also not in charge of the bets, in my opinion, as I only jumped on that after apparently 4-5 others posted in the thread asking me about it (again, wasn't sure how I was suddenly in charge of the bets) and this was after the first week. I'm not salty about it, just confused as to how it played out how me volunteering to coordinate a half point parlay bet with the Wiz (after the first week) has anything to do with missing the first week.Quote: SOOPOOIf i remember correctly the group thought you were making the bets on a week that they would have actually won quite a bit of money, but somehow you didn't make those bets. The subsequent week when the bets were actually made the selections weren't winners. I can assure you Axel IS trolling you, and actually holds no ill will towards you. I believe the phrase 'no good deed goes unpunished' applies here......
Rest assured, I'll be voting for us to have fun with any winnings from this thread, and that's about it =).
| Team | Players |
|---|---|
| 1 | Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, Dummy 1 |
| 2 | Jufo81, SM777, gordonm888, PlayYourCardsRight, Romes |
| 3 | DJTeddyBear, PokerGrinder, Dalex64, GWAE, billryan |
| 4 | Nathan, troopscott, onenickelmiracle, Nathan, OnceDear |
| 5 | Joeman, MidwestAP, beachbumbabs, Face, UKMark |
| 6 | RS, miplet, SOOPOO, Dummy 2, Jmarch79 |
| 7 | gamerfreak, GWAE, JohnnyQ, MaxPen, djatc |
| 8 | Ayecarumba, Boz, HeyMrDJ, prozema, sodawater |
Team #2, FYI I'm voting share, every round, unless specified differently by the entire group/team.
Good catch, not sure if you want to mention that in the other "official teams / scores / etc" thread.Quote: gordonm888I notice that Nathan appears twice as a member of Group 4. Is this an error?
Quote: RomesGood catch, not sure if you want to mention that in the other "official teams / scores / etc" thread.
I think I can't -its a closed thread. I will pm Wiz. Edit: It wasn't a closed thread so I posted there as well.
I will have uncertain internet access on Sunday, so I plan on submitting this vote Saturday night or very early Sunday morning.
If there is someone we all trust, who is not participating in the game, who can randomly pick a number between 1 and 8 and the number "3" comes up then I will switch my vote to "share" to implement the strategy I outlined a few pages ago.
That strategy was, to remind everyone:
Everyone votes "steal" with the exception of all of the members of ONE nominated team, who will vote "share"
I'll even volunteer to be the first team to vote share (if the rest of my teammates agree) - if the team members don't swap around too much then if we can all self-select a different team to "lose" each round.
Is that an attempt at humour :o)Quote: Dalex64If there is someone we all trust?
Quote: prozemaTeam 8... Do we have a leader?
Not yet, but maybe that's a good thing.
Quote: gordonm888I notice that Nathan appears twice as a member of Group 4. Is this an error?
Should we wait for a re-alignment/correction of the rosters before kibbitzing?
Quote: AyecarumbaShould we wait for a re-alignment/correction of the rosters before kibbitzing?
Wizard fixed the list, subbing "Dummy3" for the errant "Nathan". All other lists remain the same.
What does a team leader do?
I'm willing to replace the three dummy players with real people if any newcomers want to join.
Quote: Dalex64...Everyone votes "steal" with the exception of all of the members of ONE nominated team, who will vote "share"
I'll even volunteer to be the first team to vote share (if the rest of my teammates agree) - if the team members don't swap around too much then if we can all self-select a different team to "lose" each round.
Isn't having everyone vote "share" the best case for all the players? Based on the last time, the prizes are probably not going to be equal each round.
Quote: AyecarumbaIsn't having everyone vote "share" the best case for all the players? Based on the last time, the prizes are probably not going to be equal each round.
As I understand it, objective #1 has to be to ensure that Wizard coughs up to the max. That cannot fail to happen if we all always share. By trying to snatch more than our fair proportion, we would significantly increase the chance that the payots just don't happen.
So, who is for ultimate collusion? And how do we treat those who selfishly decline?
FYI, I volunteer to openly and honestly generate any random numbers if we agree on an 'us against Wizard' strategy.
Agreed - wouldn't we as a "team" get ALL the money in EVERY prize pool if EVERYONE always votes share??? If in the end it's gonna be $4 per person or something aren't we "probably" going to roll it in to something else anyways?Quote: AyecarumbaIsn't having everyone vote "share" the best case for all the players? Based on the last time, the prizes are probably not going to be equal each round.
I am proposing that in round 1 team 1 vote share, and all other teams vote steal.
i am proposing that in round 2 team 2 votes share, and all other teams vote steal
I am proposing in round 3 team 3 votes share and all other teams vote steal
Etc.....
I am proposing that all members agree to share all winnings equally with all other members.
I am proposing that the sum of monies be forwarded to a trusted and respected member who agrees to try and multiply it for the group.
The details of who and how to multiply it can be discussed later.
The above plan siphons the maximum from the Wizard at the least risk.
I see no advantage to any other possible plan.
Except, Wiz has it in his power to mischievously place likely rogues in whatever team he chooses.Quote: SOOPOOMaybe I missed it, but how much money is up for grabs in round 1?
I am proposing that in round 1 team 1 vote share, and all other teams vote steal.
i am proposing that in round 2 team 2 votes share, and all other teams vote steal
I am proposing in round 3 team 3 votes share and all other teams vote steal
Etc.....
I am proposing that all members agree to share all winnings equally with all other members.
I am proposing that the sum of monies be forwarded to a trusted and respected member who agrees to try and multiply it for the group.
The details of who and how to multiply it can be discussed later.
The above plan siphons the maximum from the Wizard at the least risk.
I see no advantage to any other possible plan.
$10Quote: SOOPOOMaybe I missed it, but how much money is up for grabs in round 1?
Looks like SOOPOO is our leader. I'm game for his plan, just hope everyone else is too?Quote: SOOPOOI am proposing that in round 1 team 1 vote share, and all other teams vote steal.
i am proposing that in round 2 team 2 votes share, and all other teams vote steal
I am proposing in round 3 team 3 votes share and all other teams vote steal
Etc.....
(now we'll have fun of 50% saying yes, the other 50% not reading this thread in time or proxy voting and voting the other way)
The only thing I am worried about is Mike's commitment to the game. My plan essentially beats it, and it just becomes a boring way for Mike to give 35 members some money. But I think Mike will respect the plan, as it is called "The cooperation game".
Couldn't the same happen this way as well? If another team votes Steal then they get a cut too. Also, if each round is $10, that's $2 or $2.5 per member, and then we'll know the results (I believe Mike stated he would share each TEAMS vote, not individuals). Thus, we would know after 1 round team X is the problem team.Quote: SOOPOOSomeone suggested that everyone vote share. That is way riskier than my plan. There can be a rogue team which can steal all the money if they vote steal when everyone else votes share. My plan there can be no rogue team that could benefit itself at the expense of others. The team selected to vote share, if they vote steal, just means no one gets anything; they do not increase their take.
The only thing I am worried about is Mike's commitment to the game. My plan essentially beats it, and it just becomes a boring way for Mike to give 35 members some money. But I think Mike will respect the plan, as it is called "The cooperation game".
Bleh, screwed either way. Tell us what to do Sir SOOPOO.
Quote: RomesThe Wiz posted the teams in the other thread for keeping teams/rules/scores straight. Here's the teams:
Team Players 1 Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, Dummy 1 2 Jufo81, SM777, gordonm888, PlayYourCardsRight, Romes 3 DJTeddyBear, PokerGrinder, Dalex64, GWAE, billryan 4 Nathan, troopscott, onenickelmiracle, Nathan, OnceDear 5 Joeman, MidwestAP, beachbumbabs, Face, UKMark 6 RS, miplet, SOOPOO, Dummy 2, Jmarch79 7 gamerfreak, GWAE, JohnnyQ, MaxPen, djatc 8 Ayecarumba, Boz, HeyMrDJ, prozema, sodawater
Team #2, FYI I'm voting share, every round, unless specified differently by the entire group/team.
i am requesting Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, and Dummy 1 to vote share. I am requesting all others to vote steal.
Quote: SOOPOORomes, i don't think you got my point. ALL teams except one vote steal. There is ONLY one team to worry about. If that team also votes steal they get no benefit. So there is no team to worry about, unless a team just wants to f... with everyone else. And since it is a team, not just an individual, the likelihood of that approaches zero.
I agree that this is probably the best strategy.
The only two issues I see coming up:
1) It’s not exactly easy to coordinate a strategy between 50 people. People get busy, fall behind on reading the thread....etc
2) At such low stakes, I’m certain we have a few players who will get their jollies off on throwing a wrench in the strategy
Quote: gamerfreakI agree that this is probably the best strategy.
The only two issues I see coming up:
1) It’s not exactly easy to coordinate a strategy between 50 people. People get busy, fall behind on reading the thread....etc
2) At such low stakes, I’m certain we have a few players who will get their jollies off on throwing a wrench in the strategy
There shouldn't be any wrenches. it would take three jerks on a team, not just one. I looked at the teams and I foresee no problems. I have emailed Mike my steal vote for round one.
Quote: SOOPOOThere shouldn't be any wrenches. it would take three jerks on a team, not just one. I looked at the teams and I foresee no problems. I have emailed Mike my steal vote for round one.
I’ll put in a steal vote as well.
Someone needs to PM each member of the share team to make sure they know the strategy. I can do it tonight if no one else wants to.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: RomesTm.
i am requesting Torghatten, AxelWolf, Mikey75, Keeneone, and Dummy 1 to vote share. I am requesting all others to vote steal.
So this is the plan then? I'm voting steal and it's all on team TAMKD. How is that better than everyone voting share?
Quote: prozemaHow is that better than everyone voting share?
It leaves little to no incentive to stray with a selfish vote.
