Site under DDoS attack
August 26th, 2017 at 2:54:41 AM
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I covered the last outage due to a DDoS attack in my Site was unreachable a while 8/24/2017 post.
I again could not connect to either WizardOfVegas.com or WizardOfOdds.com sites at 2:10 AM PT August 26. Another DDoS attack was identified in a 2:11 AM PT posting on the hosting services status page. At 2:24 AM PT I was able to get a partial page rendering from WizardOfVegas.com. A notice of partial servces restored was posted at 2:36 AM PT.
I again could not connect to either WizardOfVegas.com or WizardOfOdds.com sites at 2:10 AM PT August 26. Another DDoS attack was identified in a 2:11 AM PT posting on the hosting services status page. At 2:24 AM PT I was able to get a partial page rendering from WizardOfVegas.com. A notice of partial servces restored was posted at 2:36 AM PT.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 26th, 2017 at 2:57:28 AM
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A notice of stable connections and continued monitoring was posted at 2:51 AM PT. Tip of the hat to the hosting service for declawing the attack quickly.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 26th, 2017 at 5:17:34 AM
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Ya'll need to use a CDN
August 26th, 2017 at 5:19:25 AM
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looks like we might be in for it for a while
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 26th, 2017 at 7:40:33 AM
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Just got done with another wave of the attacks. Previous ones disabled name servers so the sites couldn't be located. This one flooded the open connections to the sites. Just a note: the WizardOfVegas.com and WizardOfOdds.com site services are collateral damage, the attacks are aimed at the hosting provider's systems in general.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 27th, 2017 at 5:29:28 AM
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Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyJust got done with another wave of the attacks. Previous ones disabled name servers so the sites couldn't be located. This one flooded the open connections to the sites. Just a note: the WizardOfVegas.com and WizardOfOdds.com site services are collateral damage, the attacks are aimed at the hosting provider's systems in general.
Dreamhost IIRC
Quote: articlethose trying to take the foul neo-Nazi site down ... are out of luck because DreamHost no longer hosts the Punished Stormer site. Instead it's now hosted by Canadian outfit BuyVM with some DDoS protection. ®
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/dreamhost_massive_ddos/
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 27th, 2017 at 8:13:57 AM
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Is this why the site is so slow lately?
August 27th, 2017 at 8:59:17 AM
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I'm on the outside looking in, but I don't see any indication that DDoS is causing the slowness that I, too, am seeing. The hosting service was quick to spot and mitigate the DDoS attacks, and they had accurate and up-to-date postings about the status of the problems. No problems are currently reported for any of their hosted services.
Ping packets are returned in an average 18ms time to the www.WizardOfVegas.com service with nothing dropped. That's a very good response time and indicates all is well with the networking traffic flow part of the service.
The site switched to encrypted HTTPS protocol within the last 48 hours. That may be a factor in some slow service as cached data is updated, but it should be a one-time update. I am seeing continued slowness, both with mobile and desktop clients.
Google rates the average load time for the site at 20 seconds, which is poor in their estimation and will lead to 35% of clients abandoning the connection.
Ping packets are returned in an average 18ms time to the www.WizardOfVegas.com service with nothing dropped. That's a very good response time and indicates all is well with the networking traffic flow part of the service.
The site switched to encrypted HTTPS protocol within the last 48 hours. That may be a factor in some slow service as cached data is updated, but it should be a one-time update. I am seeing continued slowness, both with mobile and desktop clients.
Google rates the average load time for the site at 20 seconds, which is poor in their estimation and will lead to 35% of clients abandoning the connection.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 27th, 2017 at 10:11:34 AM
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Is it a coincidence that someone, I think it was a new member, was complaining that this sure wasn't secure or something like that? I wonder if there's some sort of connection to that person and these problems lately.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 28th, 2017 at 6:36:57 PM
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Possibly you are thinking of a thread pointing out that Firefox 52 logins complained about the site not using HTTPS protocol. Since the site now uses HTTPS (since Friday) I updated that thread to give it closure.Quote: IbeatyouracesIs it a coincidence that someone, I think it was a new member, was complaining that this sure wasn't secure or something like that? I wonder if there's some sort of connection to that person and these problems lately.
I don't think there's any chance a member of this site is connected with the DDoS attacks aimed at DreamHost. The perpetrators of the attack have a political ax to grind about issues that don't relate to this particular site.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 28th, 2017 at 7:25:02 PM
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Oh?
What is their beef?
What is their beef?
"What, me worry?"
August 29th, 2017 at 12:10:36 AM
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DreamHost briefly hosted an alt-right group's web pages as narrated in an Ars Technica article.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
August 29th, 2017 at 5:53:14 AM
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fyi we will be moving to Amazon servers soon. will keep u posted
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/29418-ddos-attack-against-server/#post605167
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/29418-ddos-attack-against-server/#post605167
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August 29th, 2017 at 6:56:09 AM
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Quote: Zugafyi we will be moving to Amazon servers soon. will keep u posted
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/29418-ddos-attack-against-server/#post605167
so this site will be hard to reach during xmas time since Amazon will cannibalize the bandwidth (as per their terms of contract) to keep amazon.com running smoothly during the rush?
:)
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Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 29th, 2017 at 7:59:50 AM
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This site is flying right now. Fastest I've seen in a while.
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August 29th, 2017 at 4:35:35 PM
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Yes! Site was slow before the DDoS attacks, tested at 30 seconds to load. Site was slow after DreamHost reported the attack mitigated, still a sludgy 30 second load. Now, suddenly, while still hosted by DreamHost, the load time has miraculously dropped to 8 seconds. Gee, what could *possibly* account for that? Once ported to new servers I expect pages will load *before* there're requested.
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
September 14th, 2017 at 3:22:51 PM
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I can't help but notice the site is slow to to initially load but after that it works well.
This must be something to do with how they foil the DOS attacks?
This must be something to do with how they foil the DOS attacks?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 14th, 2017 at 4:07:22 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitI can't help but notice the site is slow to to initially load but after that it works well.
This must be something to do with how they foil the DOS attacks?
Maybe. I'm looking at 90 secs to 3 min to load initially, and about every 5 pages it times out.
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September 14th, 2017 at 4:14:39 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: odiousgambitI can't help but notice the site is slow to to initially load but after that it works well.
This must be something to do with how they foil the DOS attacks?
Maybe. I'm looking at 90 secs to 3 min to load initially, and about every 5 pages it times out.
If you are still out of power back home it could be due to limited bandwidth as everyone's using data over cellular instead of wifi over broadband.
I've noticed a slow load and slow response times in general, but faster before the move. It's probably the engine that renders the initial load which includes the advertisements which are probably geo-targeted.
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September 14th, 2017 at 4:17:18 PM
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Quote: boymimboQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: odiousgambitI can't help but notice the site is slow to to initially load but after that it works well.
This must be something to do with how they foil the DOS attacks?
Maybe. I'm looking at 90 secs to 3 min to load initially, and about every 5 pages it times out.
If you are still out of power back home it could be due to limited bandwidth as everyone's using data over cellular instead of wifi over broadband.
I've noticed a slow load and slow response times in general, but faster before the move. It's probably the engine that renders the initial load which includes the advertisements which are probably geo-targeted.
Thanks. Yeah, still no power. I'm going generator crazy from the noise.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 14th, 2017 at 4:26:34 PM
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The site wouldn't load last night for about 45 minutes here.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
September 14th, 2017 at 4:58:05 PM
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Hmmm...
The last time I received an email reply telling me of a new post to a subscribed thread was on 7-Sep. Is that broken also?
The last time I received an email reply telling me of a new post to a subscribed thread was on 7-Sep. Is that broken also?
September 15th, 2017 at 9:15:33 AM
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This is the screen I get when the page won't load due to this attack. It's still happening intermittently and just did a few minutes ago.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
September 15th, 2017 at 11:51:30 AM
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I also no longer get notified of new posts.Quote: LuckyPhowHmmm...
The last time I received an email reply telling me of a new post to a subscribed thread was on 7-Sep. Is that broken also?
September 15th, 2017 at 12:19:06 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesThis is the screen I get when the page won't load due to this attack. It's still happening intermittently and just did a few minutes ago.
Same here
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September 15th, 2017 at 12:24:02 PM
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I thought the whole kit-and-kaboodle was getting moved to another set of servers.
Looks like the DDOS continues... I just emailed Mike and asked him what was up.
Looks like the DDOS continues... I just emailed Mike and asked him what was up.
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September 15th, 2017 at 2:20:35 PM
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Sorry guys. Symptoms are not of a ddos attack. I'm convinced it's resources on the server, or more likely the connection to the back end mysql database.
Hung sessions? ( No. not Jeff Sessions )
Hung sessions? ( No. not Jeff Sessions )
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September 15th, 2017 at 6:07:32 PM
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Holy mother of God the site is slow right now.
September 15th, 2017 at 8:19:49 PM
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The hosting service, Dreamhost, seems to have solved the DDoS issues weeks ago. They were quick to post about the DDoS attack when it occurred and no further related issues are logged on their status page since they announced the problem was resolved.Quote: OnceDearSorry guys. Symptoms are not of a ddos attack. I'm convinced it's resources on the server, or more likely the connection to the back end mysql database.
Hung sessions? ( No. not Jeff Sessions )
I agree continuing performance problems for this site seem to be a design issue, possibly database related. I had run Google's site test before the DDoS issue and that test reported the site as taking 30 seconds to render pages, which is not good. At some point after the DDoS issue there seemed to be a great improvement in site response, maybe due to some change. I reran the Google test and the average time taken to render a page had dropped to 8 seconds: a great improvement but I wouldn't classify it as "good."
Performance for me has degraded in the past week, back to long times are again taken to render pages. At times the site server fails to respond. I no longer get email notifications for subscribed thread postings.
Just sayin'
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
September 15th, 2017 at 9:10:10 PM
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I was almost thinking it all leads back to Jeff Bezos in his quest for world domination.
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September 16th, 2017 at 3:16:12 AM
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dreamhost is experiencing more issues, hence why the downtime and lag.... we apologize again and FYI we are in the final stages of preparations for migration to amazon.
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"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing "
September 16th, 2017 at 11:03:16 AM
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Good luck with Amazon.
All this technologystuff is beyond me but I would think that although Amazon would have all the capacity and experts they need they would also be everyone's favorite target whether it be for profit or for glory.
All this technologystuff is beyond me but I would think that although Amazon would have all the capacity and experts they need they would also be everyone's favorite target whether it be for profit or for glory.
September 16th, 2017 at 6:29:01 PM
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Yesterday (Sept 15) the delays I experienced when logging in or clicking on a thread were extremely long (>10 minutes) and this persisted all day long. I had no problems with other sites - just WOV. Obviously, I gave up on WOV that day. No sense having a site if visitors cannot log on and move around within a reasonable time.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 16th, 2017 at 7:00:16 PM
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Quote: gordonm888No sense having a site if visitors cannot log on and move around within a reasonable time.
There's also no sense in berating the mods when they clearly know they have an issue and have posted that they're working on a solution.
September 16th, 2017 at 7:37:16 PM
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Quote: rsactuaryThere's also no sense in berating the mods when they clearly know they have an issue and have posted that they're working on a solution.
Stuff it up your butt. I wasn't talking to you and I simply don't care what your opinion is. I don't recognize you as having any expertise on this subject or any ownership of this issue.
This was my first and only post describing the type of delays I am experiencing. It is perfectly appropriate for me to post a note in this thread when the delays I am experiencing have gotten much worse in the past two days then they were previously and essentially amount to a denial of service. In my opinion the mods have not done a very good job of keeping us updated (what are they doing? what is the timeframe for a resolution?) and there are now posts on this thread claiming that that the original DDOS attack was nullified many days ago and is no longer a problem. So it is perfectly and immediately appropriate -even exigent - to continue to inform them that people such as I are still experiencing problems so severe and profound that we are starting to turn away from the WOV site and go else where.
Apparently you would prefer I post on Trump's Last 100 days or the Eharmony Commercial girl rather than report to the Mods that I have been unable to get on this site for the past 48 hours? I don't understand your values or your world view and I don't care to try. Please scroll up to the top of my post and read again the first 5 words of my response.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 16th, 2017 at 10:13:01 PM
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The Mods don't owe you an explanation beyond what they have given you. You're not paying for this service. They're working on it. If you don't like the service, don't let the door hit your ungrateful butt on the way out.
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September 17th, 2017 at 3:01:23 AM
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my small attempt to help...
https://wizardofvegas.com/common/images/pin-icon.png is giving a 404 error for any/every forum post page
https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/sBLaY/https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/29484-help-to-understand-the-basic-strategy-for-video-poker/#post606991
Also indexnew.php is contributing most to waiting time.
I agree that no member here has any right to gripe unless they are paying towards the upkeep of this site. Yes: It can be frustrating, but don't be ungrateful.
https://wizardofvegas.com/common/images/pin-icon.png is giving a 404 error for any/every forum post page
https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/sBLaY/https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/29484-help-to-understand-the-basic-strategy-for-video-poker/#post606991
Also indexnew.php is contributing most to waiting time.
I agree that no member here has any right to gripe unless they are paying towards the upkeep of this site. Yes: It can be frustrating, but don't be ungrateful.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 17th, 2017 at 6:17:24 AM
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Not a gripe, just my own observations:
I never log off, and I am never required to log back on. But after a period of inactivity, I've noticed an extremely long load time, on the order of several minutes, for the first page that I load. But after that, things seem relatively acceptable. Like an average of about five seconds per load.
I don't know if this means anything or not, but I don't think anybody has mentioned anything like it, and it might be a symptom of something that nobody has thought of.
I never log off, and I am never required to log back on. But after a period of inactivity, I've noticed an extremely long load time, on the order of several minutes, for the first page that I load. But after that, things seem relatively acceptable. Like an average of about five seconds per load.
I don't know if this means anything or not, but I don't think anybody has mentioned anything like it, and it might be a symptom of something that nobody has thought of.
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September 17th, 2017 at 6:39:21 AM
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Jeepers Gordon! You having a bad day or what? And please no butt stuffing here, there are plenty of other websites for that.
September 17th, 2017 at 9:06:05 AM
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Ironically, the likely trigger is constipation, his own butt is stuffed up.Quote: ck1313Jeepers Gordon! You having a bad day or what? And please no butt stuffing here, there are plenty of other websites for that.
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September 17th, 2017 at 10:08:51 AM
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I'm amazed someone didn't try to blame Trump.Quote: gordonm888.
Apparently you would prefer I post on Trump's Last 100 days or the Eharmony Commercial girl rather than report to the Mods that I have been unable to get on this site for the past 48 hours?
for the past few weeks I could not seem to get the the site to load on google chrome, It would time out and say bad gateway. I had some luck on Firefox, but it was still annoyingly slow at times.
The site seems to be really fast this morning.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 17th, 2017 at 12:44:53 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI'm amazed someone didn't try to balm Trump.
for the past few weeks I could not seem to get the the site to load on google chrome, It would time out and say bad gateway. I had some luck on Firefox, but it was still annoyingly slow at times.
The site seems to be really fast this morning.
I've been having constant problems for weeks now, much like everyone else. Either the site won't load at all, the server stops responded when trying to load, or takes about two+ minutes to load. It's quite frustrating.
Regarding Axel's first sentence. I personally block them the second a thread starts, but political threads should be banned from this site. They always leak into all of the other threads and everyone is just pissed off at each other all the time. I have about 10 blocked threads on here and the hostility fallout I think is taking away from many other threads.
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September 17th, 2017 at 1:28:49 PM
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That's a Slippery slope. You would have to Ban ZK threads, anything regarding DI and other betting systems.Quote: mrsuit31I've been having constant problems fornweeks now, much like everyone else. Either the site won't load at all, the server stops responded when trying to load, or takes about two+ minutes to load. It's quite frustrating.
Regarding Axel's fair sentence. I personally block them the second a thread starts, but political threads should be banned from this site. They always leak into all of the other threads and everyone is just pissed off at each other all the time. I have about 10 blocked threads on here and the hostility fallout I think is taking away from many other threads.
It seems there is only one real big A-hole on the Trump thread.
I think its crazy to dislike people for their political views, its certainly not worth getting upset or angry about (like some people do).
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 17th, 2017 at 2:58:16 PM
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Easy way to fix the intrusion of politics in non-politics thread. Institute an automatic 3 day ban to the first person who brings politics into the thread for no apparent reason.
A good reason, might be gambling legislation. Since we have specific politics threads, it doesn't even belong in miscellaneous thread, as far as I'm concerned
For instance
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/613/#post606547
A good reason, might be gambling legislation. Since we have specific politics threads, it doesn't even belong in miscellaneous thread, as far as I'm concerned
For instance
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/613/#post606547
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September 17th, 2017 at 4:37:34 PM
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I have been unable to login for the last three days; I kept getting error messages and timeouts. I only got in today by forcing it to refresh for 15 minutes, with my power finally back on. Really frustrating; glad Zuga and the Web admins are working on it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 17th, 2017 at 6:13:08 PM
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It seems a lot faster (relative) today than days past. Although it does still seem slow compared to other sites and my internet speed. Not complaining, just saying it doesn't seem 100%, so if there's more to be done to get it back to where it should be, so be it.
September 17th, 2017 at 10:39:38 PM
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Quote: RSIt seems a lot faster (relative) today than days past. Although it does still seem slow compared to other sites and my internet speed. Not complaining, just saying it doesn't seem 100%, so if there's more to be done to get it back to where it should be, so be it.
It does, but perhaps traffic is down after so much difficulty connecting for so long.
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September 18th, 2017 at 9:25:45 AM
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One reason I had been trying to logon on from Thursday night through Saturday night was to place my Week 2 picks for the WOV NFL Picks contest, for which I have indeed paid a $25 entrance fee for the right to win over $500 and I was being denied access to participate . So I did have money at stake that was being jeopardized by the Denial of Service.
Secondly, I have never heard of a forum where there are rules about when you have a right to complain and when you don't have a right to complain.
And my original post was not a complaint in any case. After being denied access for 48 hours I immediately went to this thread and reported that I had been unable to log-in for 48 hours (without reading the status reports that had just been posted in the last 48 hours about the Denial of Service situation.) I was simply trying to be a "solid citizen" of the forum and report my access issue -nothing more. That's why I was astonished when Rsactuary played "helicopter mom" and posted that I should stop "berating the moderators." And I remain astonished. Forum members must certainly be allowed to post a brief note to the mods stating that they are continuing to have denial of access issues without Rsactuary playing self-appointed politeness cop.
Thirdly, I would appreciate it if the mods would explain: (1) What is the schedule for getting the denial of access situation resolved - specifically on what date is the problem scheduled to go away? I will be on a Carribean cruise ship in a few days (dodging hurricanes no doubt) and internet access will be very expensive and intermittent and I have a WOV Picks contest that I will be trying to participate in - so I need to know when (if ever) this DOS problem is going away. Be SPECIFIC. If there is uncertainty, explain WHY there is uncertainty and please give us a range, with actual calendar dates.
Secondly, I have never heard of a forum where there are rules about when you have a right to complain and when you don't have a right to complain.
And my original post was not a complaint in any case. After being denied access for 48 hours I immediately went to this thread and reported that I had been unable to log-in for 48 hours (without reading the status reports that had just been posted in the last 48 hours about the Denial of Service situation.) I was simply trying to be a "solid citizen" of the forum and report my access issue -nothing more. That's why I was astonished when Rsactuary played "helicopter mom" and posted that I should stop "berating the moderators." And I remain astonished. Forum members must certainly be allowed to post a brief note to the mods stating that they are continuing to have denial of access issues without Rsactuary playing self-appointed politeness cop.
Thirdly, I would appreciate it if the mods would explain: (1) What is the schedule for getting the denial of access situation resolved - specifically on what date is the problem scheduled to go away? I will be on a Carribean cruise ship in a few days (dodging hurricanes no doubt) and internet access will be very expensive and intermittent and I have a WOV Picks contest that I will be trying to participate in - so I need to know when (if ever) this DOS problem is going away. Be SPECIFIC. If there is uncertainty, explain WHY there is uncertainty and please give us a range, with actual calendar dates.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 18th, 2017 at 10:24:26 AM
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Quote: gordonm888
Secondly, I have never heard of a forum where there are rules about when you have a right to complain and when you don't have a right to complain.
You will learn quick here the rules aren't equally enforced here.
9 times out of 10 as long as you don't tell some one to f off or provide a valid point against the leftist agenda you will be fine.
