2016 Election -- Part II
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Quote: RigondeauxBut you're right, in the world of MSNBC/NYT type liberals, those things are trivialities. Those tens of thousands of dead Lybians were just another "mistake" and plus, we can't buy more bombs if we don't use the ones we got.
When do Republicans not favor war? Not very often. Ever heard of peace activists Republicans? Me neither. Who were the human shields going into Iraq? Republicans? Naw. When do Republicans not complain about Democratic appeasement. (appeasement is not war).
I think Republicans have always had support for a war or skirmish even when a Democrat might be the one in the Oval office. Only later they start complaining. Collateral damage does not bother them unless a Democrat was in charge.
Quote: rxwineWho were the human shields going into Iraq?
They were rejects from the idiot farm.
Good news for the Clinton campaign.
Guess Trump was wrong when he said this was "worse than Watergate." *gasp*
Quote: ams288FBI Director Comey announced that they've finished reviewing the new emails, and they have not changed their July conclusions regarding Hillary's emails.
Good news for the Clinton campaign.
Guess Trump was wrong when he said this was "worse than Watergate." *gasp*
Considering she is escaping justice and Nixon didn't, yeah.
Rigged before, still rigged.
And people wonder why I am saying "Burn it down!?"
Nobody's wondering why you want to burn it down. It's the same reason these guys do:Quote: AZDuffmanAnd people wonder why I am saying "Burn it down!?"
Edit: I think we're better off getting people to hate America less. That includes would-be terrorists in the Middle East as well as angry alt-right conservatives in the U.S.
Quote: MathExtremistNobody's wondering why you want to burn it down. It's the same reason these guys do:
Depends on how you define "same reason." Just because we are getting screwed by the same people does not mean we have the same grievances.
Quote:Edit: I think we're better off getting people to hate America less. That includes would-be terrorists in the Middle East as well as angry alt-right conservatives in the U.S.
Conservatives do not hate America, we hate and do not trust our government.
Quote: rxwineWhen do Republicans not favor war? Not very often. Ever heard of peace activists Republicans? Me neither. Who were the human shields going into Iraq? Republicans? Naw. When do Republicans not complain about Democratic appeasement. (appeasement is not war).
I think Republicans have always had support for a war or skirmish even when a Democrat might be the one in the Oval office. Only later they start complaining. Collateral damage does not bother them unless a Democrat was in charge.
So? Does that make all those Libyans less dead?
Quote: onenickelmiracleI might have viewed Clinton more favorably, but Bill undid depression banking laws right before he left and let Idiot Bush to fix it.
But this time will be different because Trump is a jerk.
Quote: AZDuffman
Conservatives do not hate America, we hate and do not trust our government.
I live in Maryland but not that far from that part of West Virginia called Appalachia. I visit there on some casino trips. Those people say the same thing. They HATE the government. But man they love those government programs. Welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, Disability. They just eat that stuff up. Can't get enough.
Quote: ams288FBI Director Comey announced that they've finished reviewing the new emails, and they have not changed their July conclusions regarding Hillary's emails.
Good news for the Clinton campaign.
Guess Trump was wrong when he said this was "worse than Watergate." *gasp*
I agree!
5 days ago the info was out , the FBI was on the verge of indicting, 99% sure she was guilty. There was other foreign agency hacking etc.........
Now 2 days before the FBI head clears her with no way to have went through all the info and justified a decision. The world came down on him. This investigation would have taken too many evil bastards on.
This country is gone, corrupt and inherently evil.
Quote: ams288FBI Director Comey announced that they've finished reviewing the new emails, and they have not changed their July conclusions regarding Hillary's emails.
Good news for the Clinton campaign.
Guess Trump was wrong when he said this was "worse than Watergate." *gasp*
I agree!
5 days ago the info was out , the FBI was on the verge of indicting, 99% sure she was guilty. There was other foreign agency hacking etc.........
Now 2 days before the FBI head clears her with no way to have went through all the info and justified a decision. The world came down on him. This investigation would have taken too many evil bastards on.
This country is gone, corrupt and inherently evil.
Quote: lilredroosterI live in Maryland but not that far from that part of West Virginia called Appalachia. I visit there on some casino trips. Those people say the same thing. They HATE the government. But man they love those government programs. Welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, Disability. They just eat that stuff up. Can't get enough.
They have to eat it up considering how the feds destroy their way of life. Appalachia always fascinates me, lots of poverty but it is white poverty so few care.
Quote: AZDuffmanConservatives do not hate America, we hate and do not trust our government.
Quote: MaxPenThis country is gone, corrupt and inherently evil.
Yup. No hate there at all.
Quote: iamnomadI get lots of emails from Donald Trump, Donald Jr., and Eric Trump. I get no emails from Ivanka Trump. What's wrong with me?
Ivanka Trump is very worried about how her father's nasty misogynistic campaign is ruining her "brand."
Quote: AZDuffmanThey have to eat it up considering how the feds destroy their way of life. Appalachia always fascinates me, lots of poverty but it is white poverty so few care.
There are lots and lots of wealthy white people. And millions of middle class white people. There are not so many wealthy black people but there are millions of them that are middle class also. The ones that did not make it to the middle class often want to blame someone else for their shortcomings. They refuse to accept responsibility. If there are millions of middle class white people and millions of middle class black people it only stands to reason that the vast majority of them could have overcome whatever difficulties they faced and made it to the middle class. There are some who were whipsawed by market forces or environmental forces and need and deserve help to rise to their potential. The vast majority did not have their way of life destroyed by the Feds or corporations or anyone else. Most of them refuse to face the real reason that they are not financially comfortable. To find that answer they need to look in the mirror. Not blame the Feds or bad schools or being born into poverty or anything else. They had a chance. They chose not to take that chance. Once again, they need to look in the mirror to see who to blame.
Quote: MathExtremistYup. No hate there at all.
Yes there is. I hate my government. Get it?
Quote: ams288Ivanka Trump is very worried about how her father's nasty misogynistic campaign is ruining her "brand."
I wonder if Chelsea Clinton had the same problem with Bill?
Quote: AZDuffmanI wonder if Chelsea Clinton had the same problem with Bill?
Nope, she didn't.
You're getting desperate...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/donald-trump-message-misrepresentations/
Quote: ams288Nope, she didn't.
You're getting desperate...
Not really. Just wondering if Chelsea had some kind of a brand and if Bill's awful treatment of woman somehow hurt it for her. I mean, sexual harassment, making a fool of his wife; did that hurt her brand?
If Donald gets elected and then, say, approves TPP, same deal will apply.
Disclaimer: The above is just a theory. Probability of happening extremely low.
How's that for a conspiracy Axel? ;-)
Quote: AZDuffmanI mean, sexual harassment, making a fool of his wife; did that hurt her brand?
I dunno. Ask Melania. She'd know.
Quote: RigondeauxSo? Does that make all those Libyans less dead?
It's not just the Libyans.
We've been fighting in Afghanistan for the past fifteen years against a country whose only crime against us was their refusal to turn over Bin Ladin without proof he was responsible for the attacks on 9/11.
In the meantime, after we wasted $3-$6 trillion and thousands of lives, the Chinese secured the rights to Afghanistan's minerals valued at $3 trillion.
And our troops are providing the security.
Brookings
Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi's, and the recently released 28 pages of the 9/11 report show the US believed Saudi officials possibly bankrolled the attacks.
Report
But they get a pass.
Then we negotiate a cease fire with the Russians in Syria, only to commit a war crime and bomb a Syrian army base two days later, killing 62 Syrian soldiers and wounding 100 more, by "mistake".
Syria
Syria another country that never did anything against the US, but gets bombed anyway.
Maybe Canada is next.
Look for the US to get more involved big time in Syria after the election.
Quote: MaxPenI agree!
5 days ago the info was out , the FBI was on the verge of indicting, 99% sure she was guilty. There was other foreign agency hacking etc.........
Now 2 days before the FBI head clears her with no way to have went through all the info and justified a decision. The world came down on him. This investigation would have taken too many evil bastards on.
This country is gone, corrupt and inherently evil.
Emails are electronic. A search program can pick out key words and phrases in a 1000 page document in seconds. How is it "impossible" (quote=djt) to check 65000 emails in 8 days with 10000 agents at your disposal? It's not like there was 1 guy in a dark room getting eyestrain from reading...
Quote: beachbumbabsEmails are electronic. A search program can pick out key words and phrases in a 1000 page document in seconds. How is it "impossible" (quote=djt) to check 65000 emails in 8 days with 10000 agents at your disposal? It's not like there was 1 guy in a dark room getting eyestrain from reading...
Maybe they should share that technology with the State Department who not long ago was claiming a 1000 emails was to much to process effectively. Not to mention mishandling classified info has already been proven. Her maid was even forwarding classified info. The system is broken and Hillary is above the law. If she is elected we become a banana republic.
Who ever said that? Certainly not the FBI.Quote: mikeabiomedActually, it was 99% sure she would be indicted....
I think there's lot's of different medication one can use.Quote: MaxPenHere's a possibility for explanation of what is going on that I would like to get out in case something happens tomorrow. An attack could be staged against the fbi or other govt. agency. We would be told the attackers are Trump supporters and they did it because of Comey's announcement. The news narrative will be that Trump incited the violence by suggesting everything is rigged. Elections delayed for a week or so and the media uses that extra time to convince people that only a traitor would vote Trump.
Disclaimer: The above is just a theory. Probability of happening extremely low.
How's that for a conspiracy Axel? ;-)
After Hillary wins and all seems well in the world as it would be with a Trump win as well. What ever shall you do with yourself? Prepare the bunker?
I have a feeling me and the people around me lives wouldn't/won't change one bit either way. If anything is going to destroy us it will be technology.
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
Quote: beachbumbabsEmails are electronic. A search program can pick out key words and phrases in a 1000 page document in seconds. How is it "impossible" (quote=djt) to check 65000 emails in 8 days with 10000 agents at your disposal? It's not like there was 1 guy in a dark room getting eyestrain from reading...
Actually Comey was attempting to influence the 2016 election. With massy amount of emails to the tune of 650,000, Comey must take due diligent and thoroughly review the emails before informing Congress, and he must not try rush to get the answers just couple days before the election.
The fact that Comey provided his recommendation on Sunday which is just 2 days before the election (even if the conclusion is favorable to Hillary), is the indication that he was trying very hard to influence the outcome of the election (imagine if the result was a indictment recommendation to the DOJ just 2 days before the election).
The timing in the release of Comey's recommention, and his RUSH TO JUDGEMENT (even if the conclusion is favorable to Hillary) is a clear sign of Comey's corruption and abuse of power.
Quote: ams288This is my prediction for what the final map looks like:
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
Let me attempt a MaxPen style prediction:
You heard it here first, folks:
Hillary: 0
Trump: 538
Quote: mikeabiomedWho really cares if she wins by 2 or 100?
Actually, that would make a huge difference.
Probably the difference between Trump not conceding and claiming the "election was rigged!!!!" to his followers.
Then everything is "rigged" and therefore "rigging" means nothing. That flies in the face of Trump's attempt to distinguish Hillary and the election system from prior candidates and prior elections, which presumably were not as corrupt and/or rigged. It's like saying everyone is special. If everyone is special, no one is.Quote: mikeabiomedOK, even if Trump were to win, I would agree there is corruption up and down the ladder and it translates to "rigging". Sorry, power controls the masses and absolute power corrupts, regardless of political party.
If you want a point of distinctiveness, consider Trump's level of honesty in comparison to other candidates. According to Politifact, Trump has been half-truthful or better less than 30% of the time he's been fact-checked. In other words, compared to current FiveThirtyEight figures, Trump is more likely to be elected than to tell the truth.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html
Quote: MathExtremistThen everything is "rigged" and therefore "rigging" means nothing. That flies in the face of Trump's attempt to distinguish Hillary and the election system from prior candidates and prior elections, which presumably were not as corrupt and/or rigged. It's like saying everyone is special. If everyone is special, no one is.
If you want a point of distinctiveness, consider Trump's level of honesty in comparison to other candidates. According to Politifact, Trump has been half-truthful or better less than 30% of the time he's been fact-checked. In other words, compared to current FiveThirtyEight figures, Trump is more likely to be elected than to tell the truth.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html
Fact checking is rigged!!!
Trump claims XYZ
Proof: <article, video, newspaper, etc>
Trump says he doesn't know X person
Proof of trump knowing X person
Etc.
I am hoping for something like this, if for no other reason than the Curse of the '16s - the last time California mattered in a Presidential election was 1916. In the 24 since then, California either voted for the loser, or the winner had a majority without including the state.Quote: ams288This is my prediction for what the final map looks like:
Ohio, NC, and that one district in Maine are the biggest question marks for me.
Don't be ridiculous. Even Trump couldn't take DC. You mean 535-3.Quote: 777Let me attempt a MaxPen style prediction:
You heard it here first, folks:
Hillary: 0
Trump: 538
In a recent column, Leonard Pitts wrote that the right has discredited the media so much that, to many there is no longer any objective knowable fact.Quote: MathExtremistThen everything is "rigged" and therefore "rigging" means nothing. That flies in the face of Trump's attempt to distinguish Hillary and the election system from prior candidates and prior elections, which presumably were not as corrupt and/or rigged. It's like saying everyone is special. If everyone is special, no one is.
If you want a point of distinctiveness, consider Trump's level of honesty in comparison to other candidates. According to Politifact, Trump has been half-truthful or better less than 30% of the time he's been fact-checked. In other words, compared to current FiveThirtyEight figures, Trump is more likely to be elected than to tell the truth.
"We have become a nation of junk history, junk science, junk fact, junk logic, junk thought..."
Ain't that the truth. Just read through the comments at the end of any election article, e.g.:Quote: JimRockfordIn a recent column, Leonard Pitts wrote that the right has [attempted to] discredit the media so much that, to many there is no longer any objective knowable fact. "We have become a nation of junk history, junk science, junk fact, junk logic, junk thought..."
* Hillary is paying $300 per person for people to vote for her.
* [In response to 500 DoJ staffers deployed to protect voting rights:] "You've got to be kidding me. 500 divided by 50 = 10 for each state. That's going to stop the abuse and illegals voting? WHAT A JOKE."
* "They'll be in the crucial districts making sure the illegals DO vote."
* "Oh, goody. Obama sends out his henchmen to see that illegals can vote."
* [In response to someone who disagreed with the above.] "Malcom Warner leave America, you're the enemy."
* "Democrats are illegals."
* "The Obama regime has normalized corruption at the highest levels to the point that Americans are desensitized to it."
* "Justice departments crooked flunkee goons will be out like gangsters intimidating Americans (and non-Americans) to vote for their candidate."
* "The smells like the black paw of Obama, help old lady Clinton win illegally like he did."
* "Just wondering how many millions of illegal aliens will be voting or already have via absentee."
* "Cant have voting be accurate and legal. How else would the libtards win? That IS the only way they will win this election." (Uh, because the results would match what independent polls have been saying for months?)
* "The entire Democrapic party is corrupt. Wonder how many dead people are voting for the old bag this year!"
* "No one with half a brain should trust anything the injustice dept. says or does."
* "The Democrats. Doing everything in their power to encourage voter fraud. Disgusting! They know it is the only way they can win." (Despite that dozens of independent polls for months have shown Clinton ahead.)
* "shouldn't require that many [DoJ workers] to make certain the "blue" votes in all of the red states have the chance to repeatedly vote."
* 12 million illegals will vote for Hillary.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/07/justice-department-voting-rights/93418618/
Another fact, The liberally guided American people don't want a shrewd president to look after our best interests. After all it was Obama who went on his self-fulfilling apology tour right after he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Quote: RSFirst on 420
Yes on 2! I think most of us can agree on that.
I don't know what figure you're talking about, but 20MM is peanuts on the global stage. I've said this before: the job of the president is not to grow the GDP. If you focus only on money at the expense of honesty or people, you end up just like Trump.Quote: mikeabiomedME, I know you've previously expressed that 20MM debt is healthy but sooner or later policies must change to allow strong employment growth to cut away at this debt. Hillary hasn't run a hot dog stand while Trump has hired tens of thousands. What a concept, a candidate who knows how to motivate people to work vs. sitting on the sidelines collecting OPM.
If you're going to tout Trump's allegedly-impressive record of running businesses or you'll have to peek under the rug and realize his business strategy primarily consists of suing and screwing. I wouldn't mind an honest, successful businessman in the White House, but I'd rather have an experienced policymaker. Trump is neither. He's "successful" in precisely the same way an armed bank robber is successful. He has lots of money, but he didn't make it. Some of it he "saved" by not paying people who worked for him, and most of it he inherited from his dad. As has been noted several times, just taking the equity of his father's business and putting it into an index fund would have yielded more money than he's actually made. Trump is less successful at managing his money than the typical IRA investor.
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/donald-trump-index-fund
If you want to fall for his reality-TV persona and constant stream of B.S. that flows from his mouth like toxic sludge from an electronics factory, be my guest. But the majority of Americans know better. Just today he bragged that he was Man of the Year in Michigan five years ago. There is no record of this ever happening.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-michigan-man-of-year_us_5820a413e4b0aac62485af81
Explain to me how so many Americans are so willing to give such an unrepentant and bald-faced liar a pass on his dishonesty. Has 40% of the nation collectively thrown up its hands and said "f**k it, we don't care anymore"?
Are you referring to Hillary? Touché (touche')
I can't comment on the opinion portion of your message. Let's see "vox" and huff post, reliable garbage from the pit of man's fear.
