2016 Election -- Part II

Quote: AZDuffman

What I am saying is that perhaps you were not thinking about it as you typed. Maybe doing 2 things at once. I manned up in this thread, didn't realize the member in question was born in China. Hey, it happens.

No, you're still missing the point. I intentionally used too few players. The point is that sometimes you're just structurally outgunned and can't compete successfully, as you and five friends would be against the Cubs. It's true in sports (power plays, red cards, etc.) and it's true in business as well. Business is inherently unfair. Capitalism doesn't care about you, profits don't care about you, corporate structures don't care about you. The only way to get a sense of fairness and justice back in the lives of people who have been economically left behind is to agree, as a society, to help them re-learn to compete. Whether that's college, trade education, you name it, it doesn't matter. It takes an expenditure of resources to make it happen, though, and that won't come from corporate philanthropy or private charity. It's got to be the government for the People. If not, what does it even mean to be "for the People?"

Quote: MathExtremist

No, you're still missing the point. I intentionally used too few players.

If you say so. I would advise next time use the correct number. Your point is being lost having to explain it.

Quote: AZDuffman

If you say so. I would advise next time use the correct number. Your point is being lost having to explain it.

It's only because he's talking to you that he has to explain it.

Quote: AZDuffman

If you say so. I would advise next time use the correct number. Your point is being lost having to explain it.

I thought his point was pretty obvious. I guess not. :S

Quote: MichaelBluejay

It's only because he's talking to you that he has to explain it.

Quote: Aussie

I thought his point was pretty obvious. I guess not. :S

Yes, if you imply that I am only going to put 6 players on a baseball team I do wonder what on earth you are talking about. Of course I am not a Faculty Lounge guy so I think more logically and less on a philosophical level.

Quote: MathExtremist

No, you're still missing the point. I intentionally used too few players. The point is that sometimes you're just structurally outgunned and can't compete successfully, as you and five friends would be against the Cubs. It's true in sports (power plays, red cards, etc.) and it's true in business as well. Business is inherently unfair. Capitalism doesn't care about you, profits don't care about you, corporate structures don't care about you. The only way to get a sense of fairness and justice back in the lives of people who have been economically left behind is to agree, as a society, to help them re-learn to compete. Whether that's college, trade education, you name it, it doesn't matter. It takes an expenditure of resources to make it happen, though, and that won't come from corporate philanthropy or private charity. It's got to be the government for the People. If not, what does it even mean to be "for the People?"

F that, I don't think we should help pay for higher education, ESPECIALLY IMMIGRANTS. Do it the American way, have your rich parents pay for it, get a scholarship, get a loan or get a job and pay for it yourself. Whatever the case, figure it out.

Edit to add. Join the army and be all that you can be.

Or sell some drugs for a few years and save up. If you get caught just go get your free prison education.

Goddamnit, ME, your talents are wasted in the server room. Plop your surname where I can find it and it'd be the thing I needed to finally get off my ass and vote. Alternatively, you could put your idea into practice and bring at least one grunt-who's-too-goddamn-old-to-grunt-anymore up into modern times and this land of plenty you speak of. It's Almost Winter so I can start today =p

Jokes aside, I'm just here for the outsider's perspective. We're in the home stretch, the election can now be seen on the horizon. In but a few days y'all are gonna engage your inputs to nudge our country and ourselves in one direction or the other. Oh, but the captains you have chose...

One is an unlikable old woman with a suspicious past, a past that while arguable in its criminality, seems to be pretty inarguable in its total lack of effort for the little man. The other is an idiotic loudmouth, a NY Dem turned republican (LOL) who is rife with shady business dealings and, it appears, a possible closet-ful of creepy sex stuff. No, creepy is the wrong word. Criminal. That's the word I was looking for.

2 people, vying for what is often looked at as the highest power offices, what should be the pinnacle of righteousness, and BOTH are under the suspicion of criminal activity, and both could be facing criminal charges within months (weeks? days?) of obtaining office.

And you lot... you bicker amongst EACH OTHER. My guy's not s#$%, YOURS is! Oh yeah? My guy is awesome, YOURS is s#$%? Oh yeah? You're a bigot! Oh yeah? Takes one to know one!

Dance, puppets, dance. Y'all are being played.

Have you never been to a cock fight? One chicken painted red, another blue. Each thinks they're the top dog, each thinks their world is THEIRS. And some interloper is gonna come in and snatch it? Nosiree. And after a bit of puffing and posturing, they go at it. It's tough. It's rough. It's destructive. And 5 minutes later one sits bloody and one sits broken. One has "won", he is victorious. And the greasy fat man sits in his corner and counts his money, unaware and uncaring for the display in front of him, unaware of the effort, uncaring of the pain. It was never about them. It never is. It was about him the whole time.

Imagine if the chickens knew. Imagine if they could understand that this fight for survival they perceive is but a game for the fat man's profit? If they knew the real reason they fought? If they knew the man they look to as Master, giver of seed, was really just a s#$%head profiting from their blood? Fans of Zelda know that enough chickens can topple a man, but I won't even go that far. What if they could just decide "I ain't f#$%ing playing anymore?" What would happen to the chickens? What would happen to the fat man?

Cluck, cluck, my friends. See you at the slaughterhouse.

Quote: Face

One is an unlikable old woman with a suspicious past, a past that while arguable in its criminality, seems to be pretty inarguable in its total lack of effort for the little man. The other is an idiotic loudmouth, a NY Dem turned republican (LOL) who is rife with shady business dealings and, it appears, a possible closet-ful of creepy sex stuff. No, creepy is the wrong word. Criminal. That's the word I was looking for.

2 people, vying for what is often looked at as the highest power offices, what should be the pinnacle of righteousness, and BOTH are under the suspicion of criminal activity, and both could be facing criminal charges within months (weeks? days?) of obtaining office.

And you lot... you bicker amongst EACH OTHER. My guy's not s#$%, YOURS is! Oh yeah? My guy is awesome, YOURS is s#$%? Oh yeah? You're a bigot! Oh yeah? Takes one to know one!

Dance, puppets, dance. Y'all are being played

This...SO. MUCH. THIS.

Quote: AxelWolf

F that, I don't think we should help pay for higher education, ESPECIALLY IMMIGRANTS. Do it the American way, have your rich parents pay for it, get a scholarship, get a loan or get a job and pay for it yourself. Whatever the case, figure it out.

The problem with requiring everyone to "figure it out" by themselves is that eventually, smart evil people make things so complex that only they can figure it out, and then they have control. We're not even ten years past the mortgage crisis in which that's precisely what happened.

The primary purpose of a society is to eliminate the need for everyone to have to "figure it out" by themselves. If we were all meant to be fully-realized independent individuals, we wouldn't have evolved as social creatures in the first place. Specialization leads to progress; that's why we have cell phones. The folks who engineered the cell phones didn't have to spend half their lives growing their own food.

And I'm inclined to think that paying for higher education is a net positive for society. Not only will you have more productive people -- the gross production of whom is likely to outweigh the monetary cost by itself -- but as AZ indicated, you'll have more liberal-thinking people. That means fewer alt-right wackos and less irrational hatred.

Quote: Face

Goddamnit, ME, your talents are wasted in the server room. Plop your surname where I can find it and it'd be the thing I needed to finally get off my ass and vote. Alternatively, you could put your idea into practice and bring at least one grunt-who's-too-goddamn-old-to-grunt-anymore up into modern times and this land of plenty you speak of. It's Almost Winter so I can start today =p

I've graduated to a home office but I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless. The rancor in this political cycle, plus several friends who are running for local office, have me thinking along the same lines. I'm not at that point just yet but maybe someday.

And as they say, Winter Is Coming. But not until next summer.

Quote: MichaelBluejay

Hillary's chances of winning at 538 have dropped every single day for weeks now, with the exception of only one day in which she managed to not fall further. She's now down to 64.1%, her lowest since September. And if the daily decline continues, it's gonna be lower than that by election day.

Well this is interesting: for the first time I can remember this cycle, the polls-plus 538 model has a greater chance of Hillary winning than polls-only. It's only by 0.2%, but I wonder if that portends a shift in the fundamentals somehow?

Eh, it's probably a blip that will go away in a few minutes.

Quote: MichaelBluejay

Hillary's chances of winning at 538 have dropped every single day for weeks now, with the exception of only one day in which she managed to not fall further. She's now down to 64.1%, her lowest since September. And if the daily decline continues, it's gonna be lower than that by election day.

The HuffPost presidential forecast gives Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton a 98 percent chance of winning the general election on Tuesday. That means we’re pretty darn certain that ― barring some major catastrophe, scandal or nearly every single poll being wrong ― Clinton will be elected.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/high-probability-clinton-winning_us_581d0399e4b0e80b02ca2498

My guess is Trumpers are more motivated and if there is a big the GOP-Trumper turn out on the election day, then in a tight race like this, our White House will be renamed as Trump House on January 20, 2017. And if Trump is the POTUS, the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave will be registered as an Sex-Offender address within 2 years.

Quote: Face

Goddamnit ...

One is an unlikable old woman with a suspicious past, a past that while arguable in its criminality, seems to be pretty inarguable in its total lack of effort for the little man. The other is an idiotic loudmouth, a NY Dem turned republican (LOL) who is rife with shady business dealings and, it appears, a possible closet-ful of creepy sex stuff. No, creepy is the wrong word. Criminal. That's the word I was looking for.

On November 8th, just pull the lever and cast your ballot for either a your choice is either a rapist/sex-offender/sexist/racist man or a email-offender woman.

Here is a quote from Elie Wiesel, The Night Trilogy: Night, Dawn, the Accident

"We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe."

Quote: Face

Goddamnit ... Oh, but the captains you have chose...

One is an unlikable old woman with a suspicious past, a past that while arguable in its criminality, seems to be pretty inarguable in its total lack of effort for the little man. The other is an idiotic loudmouth, a NY Dem turned republican (LOL) who is rife with shady business dealings and, it appears, a possible closet-ful of creepy sex stuff. No, creepy is the wrong word. Criminal. That's the word I was looking for.

Quote: Elie Wiesel, The Night Trilogy: Night, Dawn, the Accident

We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us/politics/campaign-trump-clinton.html

Hillary Clinton campaigned Friday in the company of friends and celebrities, first flanked by the billionaire businessman Mark Cuban in Pittsburgh and Detroit, and then bound for a Jay Z concert in Cleveland. High-wattage political leaders fanned out for her around the country: Her husband, Bill, stumped in Colorado, as President Obama rallied voters in North Carolina.

By comparison, Donald J. Trump was a lonely figure flanked by WOV's celebrities RonC, KKK, AZD, RS, Axel Wolf, Rigondeaux, Billryan, Paradigm, Face, Zcore13.

Quote: 777

Hillary Clinton campaigned Friday in the company of friends and celebrities, first flanked by the billionaire businessman Mark Cuban in Pittsburgh and Detroit, and then bound for a Jay Z concert in Cleveland. High-wattage political leaders fanned out for her around the country: Her husband, Bill, stumped in Colorado, as President Obama rallied voters in North Carolina.

By comparison, Donald J. Trump was a lonely figure flanked by WOV's celebrities RonC, KKK, AZD, RS, Axel Wolf, Rigondeaux, Billryan, Paradigm, Face, Zcore13.

Good to know. After all, I make my voting decisions based on Jay Z, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce, and other celebrities. I'm still hoping to collect my blow job from Madonna too! NOT! LMAO!!!

Jay Z, he's so deep. He's a poet you know! Hillary should be proud to campaign with him.

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LADIES IS PIMPS TOO, GO AND BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF
NIGGAZ IS CRAZY BABY, DON������¢���¯���¿���½���¯���¿���½T FORGET THAT BOY TOLD YOU
GET, THAT, DIRT OFF YOUR SHOULDER"-Jay Z

"If you vote for Hillary Clinton, I will give you a blow job," Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden. "Ok? I'm really good. I'm not a douche and I'm not a tool. I take my time, I have a lot of eye contact and I do swallow," the Material Girl boasted.-Madonna


Update:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-z-hillary-clinton-concert-2016-11
The rapper repeatedly used the n-word and dropped the f-bomb as he performed “F—WithMeYouKnowIGotIt� and his hit “Dirt off Your Shoulder� song at a Cleveland rally.

"You're tuned into the motherf----- greatest," a voice said as Jay Z appeared onstage.

“If you feelin’ like a pimp n----, go and brush your shoulders off,� Jay Z rapped. “Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off. N----- is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you. Get that dirt off your shoulders."

Jay Z also performed the song "Jigga My N----," in which he boasted that he was "Jay-Z, motherf-------!"

Quote: Keyser

Good to know. After all, I make my voting decisions based on Jay Z, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce, and other celebrities. I'm still hoping to collect my blow job from Madonna too! NOT! LMAO!!!

Jay Z, he's so deep. He's a poet you know! Hillary should be proud to campaign with him.

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LADIES IS PIMPS TOO, GO AND BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF
NIGGAZ IS CRAZY BABY, DON����¯�¿�½������¢������¯������¿������½������¯������¿������½T FORGET THAT BOY TOLD YOU
GET, THAT, DIRT OFF YOUR SHOULDER"-Jay Z

"If you vote for Hillary Clinton, I will give you a blow job," Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden. "Ok? I'm really good. I'm not a douche and I'm not a tool. I take my time, I have a lot of eye contact and I do swallow," the Material Girl boasted.-Madonna


Update:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-z-hillary-clinton-concert-2016-11
The rapper repeatedly used the n-word and dropped the f-bomb as he performed �F�WithMeYouKnowIGotIt� and his hit �Dirt off Your Shoulder� song at a Cleveland rally.

"You're tuned into the motherf----- greatest," a voice said as Jay Z appeared onstage.

�If you feelin� like a pimp n----, go and brush your shoulders off,� Jay Z rapped. �Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off. N----- is crazy baby, don�t forget that boy told you. Get that dirt off your shoulders."

Jay Z also performed the song "Jigga My N----," in which he boasted that he was "Jay-Z, motherf-------!"

See you in 7 days.

Keyser, why not just post the video from the article.
The video cant possibly offend anybody and you would be good.
because
I cant determine a single word JZ rapped
Did he use the N and F word?
I am listening very closely, don't hear it
Very garbled

weird article
Says JZ used this and that word and posts a garbled video for proof. lol


By the way DT is down

Trump 285 Hillary 253......you heard it here first.

Quote: MaxPen

Trump 285 Hillary 253......you heard it here first.

A short while ago you insisted Trump would win in a landslide. Do you consider 285 to 253 to be a landslide, or are you ready to admit that your earlier prediction was wrong?

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: Keyser

Good to know. After all, I make my voting decisions based on Jay Z, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce, and other celebrities. I'm still hoping to collect my blow job from Madonna too! NOT! LMAO!!!

Jay Z, he's so deep. He's a poet you know! Hillary should be proud to campaign with him.

"IF YOU FEELIN����¯�¿�½���¯���¿���½����¯�¿�½������¢����¯�¿�½������¯����¯�¿�½������¿����¯�¿�½������½����¯�¿�½������¯����¯�¿�½������¿����¯�¿�½������½ LIKE A PIMP NIGGA, GO AND BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF
LADIES IS PIMPS TOO, GO AND BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF
NIGGAZ IS CRAZY BABY, DON����¯�¿�½���¯���¿���½����¯�¿�½������¢����¯�¿�½������¯����¯�¿�½������¿����¯�¿�½������½����¯�¿�½������¯����¯�¿�½������¿����¯�¿�½������½T FORGET THAT BOY TOLD YOU
GET, THAT, DIRT OFF YOUR SHOULDER"-Jay Z

"If you vote for Hillary Clinton, I will give you a blow job," Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden. "Ok? I'm really good. I'm not a douche and I'm not a tool. I take my time, I have a lot of eye contact and I do swallow," the Material Girl boasted.-Madonna


Update:
http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-z-hillary-clinton-concert-2016-11
The rapper repeatedly used the n-word and dropped the f-bomb as he performed �F�WithMeYouKnowIGotIt� and his hit �Dirt off Your Shoulder� song at a Cleveland rally.

"You're tuned into the motherf----- greatest," a voice said as Jay Z appeared onstage.

�If you feelin� like a pimp n----, go and brush your shoulders off,� Jay Z rapped. �Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off. N----- is crazy baby, don�t forget that boy told you. Get that dirt off your shoulders."

Jay Z also performed the song "Jigga My N----," in which he boasted that he was "Jay-Z, motherf-------!"

See you in 7 days.

For quoting Hillary supporters?

We take in nearly 2 million people every year to drive down wages and increase the costs of goods and services, medical care and housing, while the homeless population is increasing.

The level of homeless in NYC is at it's highest since the Great Depression. Many of them have jobs, but they can no longer afford the rents.

The government takes better care of refugees than our homeless and veterans.

""The sponsoring agency is responsible for placing refugees with one of its affiliated offices and for providing initial services which include: housing, essential furnishings, food, necessary clothing, community orientation, and referral to other social, medical and employment services during the refugees first 30 - 90 days in the United States."

Refugee Resettlement Benefits

Cubans Retire to Florida with Help from US Taxpayers

Those are your tax dollars at work.

All of this directly impacts your costs of living and your standard of living.

So much for open borders.

Quote: Tanko

The government takes better care of refugees than our homeless and veterans.

""The sponsoring agency is responsible for placing refugees with one of its affiliated offices and for providing initial services which include: housing, essential furnishings, food, necessary clothing, community orientation, and referral to other social, medical and employment services during the refugees first 30 - 90 days in the United States."

Refugee Resettlement Benefits

Those are your tax dollars at work.

That link seems to be specific to Iraq which we bombed the hell out of. Seems we might have more specific program, for them. I know they try to do a lot for Iraqis who assisted American forces.

As for the Cuba link, don't the Cubans have big Republican backing.

Quote: AZDuffman

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For quoting Hillary supporters?

If David Duke went on a F word and N word rant, no way I'm typing up that garbage.
I listened to the video. The audio sucks. Not recorded in the sweet spot with quality mics.
I never once heard the N or F word
Why print those words? Just post the video of the garbled rap.
Did you listen to the video?


DT is down. Somebody get on the case :-)

Quote: Tanko

All of this directly impacts your costs of living and your standard of living.

So much for open borders.

Does it directly impact WOV member costs?
Hmm, I think I will plan a Vegas trip today
If a lot here has made a Vegas trip in the last year
It cant be impacting our costs that much if you are posting this on a board dedicated to wasting huge amounts of disposable income on gambling in Vegas

Just step back and look at the overall purpose of this board. Its to advise people with tons of disposable income on how to spend and waste massive amounts on gambling

The existence of this board shows that the USA has tons of disposable income rather then "directly impacts your costs of living and your standard of living."
If a lot of people here are vacationing in Vegas, standard of living on this board remains very high despite immigration
This immigrant will be partying in Vegas in a couple months :-)
Everybody, keep partying on.

Quote: rxwine

That link seems to be specific to Iraq which we bombed the hell out of. Seems we might have more specific program, for them. I know they try to do a lot for Iraqis who assisted American forces.

That State Department link does not mention Iraq or any other nation.

The refugee program applies to all refugees from any of 79 nations.

Quote:

As for the Cuba link, don't the Cubans have big Republican backing.

The Cubans have support from both parties. We don't.

These Cuban seniors are getting Social Security checks, Food Stamps and apartments, never having worked a day in the US or paying a cent in taxes.

"It wasn't bad in Cuba, but here, I'm better."

Spoken like a true refugee.

The article is specific to Cubans, but any senior refugee from any of the 79 nations qualifies for the same benefits at tax payer expense.

Meanwhile, we have nearly 600,000 homeless Americans living in the streets.

Senator Sessions

That's your money.

Nearly half of all Americans die broke.

MIT Study

That figure would be smaller with better government.

Quote: Tanko

That State Department link does not mention Iraq or any other nation.

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The url sure does

https://photos.state.gov/libraries/iraq/216651/refugees/FAQ%20on%20refugee%20resettlement%20benefits.pdf

Quote: terapined

Quote: AZDuffman

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For quoting Hillary supporters?

If David Duke went on a F word and N word rant, no way I'm typing up that garbage.
I listened to the video. The audio sucks. Not recorded in the sweet spot with quality mics.
I never once heard the N or F word
Why print those words? Just post the video of the garbled rap.
Did you listen to the video?


DT is down. Somebody get on the case :-)

Not sure why you would bring up Duke. He was a minor Congressman two decades ago. The quotes were from current major celebrities who are major Hillary supporters. No, I did not listen to the video. I do not like Hillary, I do not like rap. And I have had my fill of potty-mouthed liberals spouting off.

Why print the words? To show who the celeb supporters are I would guess.

Quote: Tanko

Nearly half of all Americans die broke.

MIT Study

That figure would be smaller with better government.

That figure would be zero with better government, but it requires the sort of wealth redistribution that is anathema to the GOP or to libertarian, anti-statist philosophy. There is no chance of improving that statistic if we leave things to the same free market that's responsible for the wealth gap in the first place.

Quote: terapined

Does it directly impact WOV member costs?

It cant be impacting our costs that much if you are posting this on a board dedicated to wasting huge amounts of disposable income on gambling in Vegas.

This thread is about the election and I am addressing the subject of open borders which is an issue in this election.

Quote:

Just step back and look at the overall purpose of this board. Its to advise people with tons of disposable income on how to spend and waste massive amounts on gambling.

So the Wizard started this forum "to advise people with tons of disposable income on how to spend and waste massive amounts on gambling."

Got it. Thanks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8bySaXRNCY

A Hillary ad with thousands of comments you cannot see, reply, like or dislike. The ad is about Trump, using his comments to state he is a bad role model for children.

Quote: MathExtremist

Quote: Tanko

Nearly half of all Americans die broke.

MIT Study

That figure would be smaller with better government.

That figure would be zero with better government, but it requires the sort of wealth redistribution that is anathema to the GOP or to libertarian, anti-statist philosophy. There is no chance of improving that statistic if we leave things to the same free market that's responsible for the wealth gap in the first place.

People with money are still gaming the system.

For instance parents can carefully distribute assets to their children early without penalty if they are careful. When they are then too broke for say, medical care, government picks up the slack.

The system needs to be looked at from the wealthy to the poorest for why it comes up short.

Quote: rxwine

For instance parents can carefully distribute assets to their children early without penalty if they are careful.

What on earth is wrong with this?

Quote: AZDuffman

What on earth is wrong with this?

What is wrong with scamming the government when you previously had money to pay for your medical care to the end of your life?

You have something in common with some welfare people I guess when they have the ability to do something but use the government instead.

If you think it's okay, don't complain about people who choose to collect welfare when they can work.

I think the problem is the second sentence, not the first (in that paragraph).

Quote: rxwine

When they are then too broke for say, medical care, government picks up the slack.

Medicaid is a mess. Think these things have to be done five years before applying. Then a nursing home gets $5,000 a month with incentive to help the least possible. Most caretakers hate working in the places because they cannot give the patients the time and care they need. The places smell like feces and the patients are neglected. It's just a big joke taking advantage of the old and dying wasting away doing nothing to help them, leaving them penniless and in poverty.

On a humorous note heard a funny story. This guy lived in a place and a resident scammed him of $300. He was told he was investing in marijuana, but of course, there was no marijuana. The scammer gets kicked out, so he changes nursing homes trying to get his money back. When he gets there, the scammer isn't there and a Dr. mentions his friend has passed away. The money is gone for good with him.

Quote: rxwine

What is wrong with scamming the government when you previously had money to pay for your medical care to the end of your life?

Same government that pays $50,000+ for each Syrian refugee and hands all kind of benefits to illegal aliens who never paid into the system?

Nothing wrong with protecting the assets you went out and earned. Screw the government for all you can. They keep doing it to you even worse, at least if you work for a living.

Quote: AZDuffman

Nothing wrong with protecting the assets you went out and earned. Screw the government for all you can. They keep doing it to you even worse, at least if you work for a living.

You're only earning that living because your neighbors' ancestors built the country in which you're able to earn that living. It's shamefully ignorant of history to suggest that you've been able to achieve your vast wealth and luxury all by your lonesome.

Screwing the government is screwing your neighbors and spitting on the hard work of their ancestors. It's cheating society and you should be ashamed to even suggest it, just like Donald Trump should be ashamed of dodging his tax obligations by fraudulently running his business expenses through sham charities. When society builds itself up by agreeing to a set of rules, it's selfish, narrow-minded, ignorant and greedy for some to cheat and break those rules.

If you're a tax cheat, you are a bad American.

Quote: MathExtremist

You're only earning that living because your neighbors' ancestors built the country in which you're able to earn that living. It's shamefully ignorant of history to suggest that you've been able to achieve your vast wealth and luxury all by your lonesome.

Screwing the government is screwing your neighbors and spitting on the hard work of their ancestors. It's cheating society and you should be ashamed to even suggest it, just like Donald Trump should be ashamed of dodging his tax obligations by fraudulently running his business expenses through sham charities. When society builds itself up by agreeing to a set of rules, it's selfish, narrow-minded, ignorant and greedy for some to cheat and break those rules.

If you're a tax cheat, you are a bad American.

We have rules/laws on immigration that the government does not follow. They were set up by our hard working ancestors, are we cheating them and society by allowing illegals in and to stay?

I think if you are for allowing illegal immigrants to stay you are a bad American.

Quote: MathExtremist

You're only earning that living because your neighbors' ancestors built the country in which you're able to earn that living. It's shamefully ignorant of history to suggest that you've been able to achieve your vast wealth and luxury all by your lonesome.

Ah, the "I didn't build that" thing. Sorry, I earn my living because I break my ass. Saturday night and I am shortly leaving to go earn a few extra bucks. I will be damned if I should feel ashamed for it, and really be damned as I said, if I should feel ashamed when my government wants to take part of what I earned and give it away to people with no legal standing to be here. And I will super be damned to give a nickel more than I can hide when they let Hillary Clinton off the hook for her server. The only reason they are backtracking on that one is the rank-and-file FBI agents stood up.

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Screwing the government is screwing your neighbors and spitting on the hard work of their ancestors.

Our government spits on me, them, and all of our ancestors all the time by this standard.

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If you're a tax cheat, you are a bad American.

What is the difference between "tax minimization" and "tax evasion?"

A.) A good Tax Lawyer
B.) 5-10 years in the can
C.) What the IRS says it is?

Nothing patriotic about paying too much in taxes. Ever.

Quote: kracker21

We have rules/laws on immigration that the government does not follow. They were set up by our hard working ancestors, are we cheating them and society by allowing illegals in and to stay?.

Set up by our lying, land stealing, tax cheating/fleeing ancestors. All that making up lying treaties that sound good and land stealing is hard work though!

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For quoting Hillary supporters?

If David Duke went on a F word and N word rant, no way I'm typing up that garbage.
I listened to the video. The audio sucks. Not recorded in the sweet spot with quality mics.
I never once heard the N or F word
Why print those words? Just post the video of the garbled rap.
Did you listen to the video?


DT is down. Somebody get on the case :-)

Not sure why you would bring up Duke. He was a minor Congressman two decades ago. The quotes were from current major celebrities who are major Hillary supporters. No, I did not listen to the video. I do not like Hillary, I do not like rap. And I have had my fill of potty-mouthed liberals spouting off.

Why print the words? To show who the celeb supporters are I would guess.

Potty-mouther liberals????????????
I listened closely to the crappy audio in the video
I don't hear the N or F word
Typical conservative false logic, If another conservative said it happened, evidence is meaningless
Lol, carry on

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Set up by our lying, land stealing, tax cheating/fleeing ancestors. All that making up lying treaties that sound good and land stealing is hard work though!

They owned slaves too, by all means not good people by today's standard. It was ME who started the hard working ancestor bit, i just went with it to make a point.

Here's a really interesting analysis of why the pollsters' numbers are so widely varied with regard to Hillary's chances of winning. It's a pretty critical look at Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f

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The short version is that Silver is changing the results of polls to fit where he thinks the polls truly are, rather than simply entering the poll numbers into his model and crunching them.

Silver calls this unskewing a "trend line adjustment." He compares a poll to previous polls conducted by the same polling firm, makes a series of assumptions, runs a regression analysis, and gets a new poll number. That's the number he sticks in his model -- not the original number.

He may end up being right, but he's just guessing. A "trend line adjustment" is merely political punditry dressed up as sophisticated mathematical modeling.

Guess who benefits from the unskewing?

By the time he's done adjusting the "trend line," Clinton has lost 0.2 points and Trump has gained 1.7 points. An adjustment of below 2 points may not seem like much, but it's enough to throw off his entire forecast, taking a comfortable 4.6 point Clinton lead and making it look like a nail-biter.

p.s. can one of the devs for the forum do a server-side regex for the various quote and punctuation marks and turn them into printable characters? When cutting/pasting from websites, you often get angled quote marks that turn into this: “

If it looks like tax evasion but it's legal, then it's not tax evasion.

Having a good accountant and working the tax code the best to your benefit isn't illegal. Not sure if thats what DJT did or if he broke the tax code and cheated on his taxes. Filing your taxes to your best interest is not like collecting unemployment or food stamps or what have you (that you shouldn't legally be getting). One is clearly illegal and the other is legal.

I suppose liberals see the sticker price on a car and think it'd be patriotic to pay the sticker price and nothing less, even though you can negotiate with the salesman to lower the price.

I ain't out to cheat on taxes or anything like that. But if I can legally pay less, I don't see why I would pay more.

Quote: kracker21

We have rules/laws on immigration that the government does not follow. They were set up by our hard working ancestors, are we cheating them and society by allowing illegals in and to stay?

I think if you are for allowing illegal immigrants to stay you are a bad American.

That's a false equivalence. There's a vast moral distinction between respecting the traditions on which this country was founded and arguing that all specific implementations of legislation are necessarily just and moral. Are you in favor of criminal charges for everyone who breaks every law? Of course not.

Immigration is a thorny issue, but there's certainly no justice in separating a mother and child simply because the mother wasn't born here. It requires a more nuanced solution, one that respects the difference between people who are acting like Americans and those who aren't.

The America we should strive for is far better served by an honest, hard-working undocumented worker who is willing and able to support the society he lives in than a native-born like AZDuffman whose stated philosophy is "screw the government." But that's the America we should strive for. The one we'll actually get depends on how many AZDuffman, burn-it-down types go to the polls on Tuesday.

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That figure would be smaller with better government.

The past eight years have proven that you don't stimulate an economy or grow GDP by taking wealth from one income group and distributing it to others.

Obama is the first president in history to never have a year of 3% GDP growth.

Zero Edge

He could have lowered taxes for the bottom 95%, and put cash directly into the pockets of everyone instead of a few.

He could have invested trillions on infrastructure and other work programs and gotten most of it back in worker and contractor income taxes.

Instead they held three rounds of quantitative easing which is a monetary policy for which there is no model.

Do you think having dozens of former Goldman Sachs employees working for the Whitehouse had something to do with that decision?

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GS was also Obama's biggest financial contributor when he ran for the presidency, and when he ran for the Senate.

A Republican president would have done the same.

They don't call it "Government Sachs" for nothing.

Now we have a massive growing $20 trillion government debt.

QE does create wealth, but only for a few.

95% of the income gains went to the top 1%

CNN

The idea was that lower interest rates would encourage businesses to build new factories and hire workers.

Instead, they used the borrowed funds to buy back their own shares.

Maybe they used some of it to build factories in Mexico as well.

If you had the cash to buy stocks, and real estate, you benefitted.

If you didn't, you fell behind.

This is Wilbur Ross discussing Trump's brilliant Revenue Neutral Infrastructure plan that costs the tax payer nothing, and a call for a new Glass-Steagall Act.

Wilbur Ross

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If it looks like tax evasion but it's legal, then it's not tax evasion.

I ain't out to cheat on taxes or anything like that. But if I can legally pay less, I don't see why I would pay more.

That doesn't qualify as "screwing the government" though. I take whatever deductions the tax code allows me as well, and I don't enjoy writing the checks for my quarterly payments, but I do it anyway. I don't screw the government.

Trump funneled business funds through his charities, writing off fraudulent expenses like a portrait of himself, thereby illegally dodging the taxes he would have owed on those funds had they been properly reported. That's "screwing the government."

Well here's some good news: Early voting kills Trump in NV

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Donald Trump will be in Reno on Saturday, but the Republicans almost certainly lost Nevada on Friday.

Trump's path was nearly impossible, as I have been telling you, before what happened in Clark County on Friday. But now he needs a Miracle in Vegas on Election Day -- and a Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship is more likely -- to turn this around. The ripple effect down the ticket probably will cost the Republicans Harry Reid's Senate seat, two GOP House seats and control of the Legislature.

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The past eight years have proven that you don't stimulate an economy or grow GDP by taking wealth from one income group and distributing it to others.

Growing GDP is not the primary goal of government.

If a society has the resources to provide for the basic needs of each of its citizens and chooses not to, is that a just society?

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Well here's some good news: Early voting kills Trump in NV

And while we're talking about early voting reports:

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Hispanic EIP voting in Florida is off the charts...429k have voted in person, up 152% at this time in 2012

https://twitter.com/electionsmith/status/794560117391753216

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Wow! Friend of the show @electionsmith finds 152% increase in Latino early vote. And LD polling has Clinton +40 w FL Latinos, Obama was +21

https://twitter.com/LatinoDecisions/status/794628930850340866

Skimming that LatinoDecisions feed should make the GOP very nervous. The mainstream polls are apparently under-reporting compared to Florida polling of Latinos conducted by Latino pollsters. If Trump loses Florida, we can all go to bed early on Tuesday night. (I won't, but I could...)