Dieter
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July 17th, 2015 at 12:43:44 PM permalink
Quote: zoobrew

But if your bonus/free spin win is pre-determined at the moment you hit the spin button, does it really make a difference as all the data from the player's card and slot win could already be collected even before you see the spin. I guess it would somewhat depend on the slot machine and the casino's network.



In every place I've ever been, pulling a card mid-round doesn't change anything.

Coin in is recorded already, the win/loss is determined (which can take a few minutes if it's a fancy slot bonus where you've won up to 299 free spins with stacked wilds and they insist on flashing each line win on the screen for 14 seconds, 3 times per spin, before moving on to the next spin), and then coin-out is recorded. Then the card information is dissociated from the machine.

The (slight) advantage is that some places lock out "abandoned cards", and pulling them when a long bonus starts does seem to work to not trip the "no action" timer to lock out the card.
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NaturalEight
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June 28th, 2016 at 1:24:12 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE


Curious how you would handle it when the pit boss pulls up your file and sees that the ID that is scanned into the computer is not you, or when the hotel person notices that it is not actually you?



Just to give some background to others who are asking about using a friends ID who looks like them; it's a grey area. There really is no case law on it so you're not going to get a concrete answer from anyone. I had been using a friends players card and his ID who looks somewhat like me to obtain comps, FP, rooms, etc... But, after speaking with Bob Loeb about this subject, he told me it was illegal and I shouldn't do it. I too thought it wasn't a problem if you're presenting it to a hotel clerk or players club clerk, but I don't think it's worth the risk.

That being said I tried to obtain a players card at Foxwoods using his ID before I chucked the idea, and the players club rep took a good look at the ID, then me, then the ID again, and blurted out "is this you?" I almost shit my pants and was trying to think fast of how to get the hell out of there. She said I'm sorry this doesn't look like you I can't make you a card. Thankfully he has a big beard in the picture so I just said oh must be the beard. I Took the ID back and quickly dashed out of there. That was the first experience of that happening which also spooked me into getting rid of using his ID.

The bottom line is its not worth the risk, and do you really wanna be the first guy they send to jail and hire a lawyer and pay 100k+ in expenses? I don't.
Wizardofnothing
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June 28th, 2016 at 2:31:27 AM permalink
Thanks for the reply but that really isn't the question, you weren't simply playing on a card you were presenting a fake ID (not yours) to obtain the card- that's different then your friend giving you the card.


That's the difference between your friend giving you his credit card to pick up soemthing at wal mart or you applying for a credit card in his name.... As trump would say
HUGGGEEEEEEE difference
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gamerfreak
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June 28th, 2016 at 7:34:45 AM permalink
I've always wanted to give my girlfriend my second players card to play slots with while I am at the table. I've always decided against it. I feel like something in the system would prevent a single player from earning points at different games simultaneously.
mcallister3200
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June 28th, 2016 at 7:47:57 AM permalink
One should be aware that just because what you're doing isn't illegal, does not mean that you can't be arrested and have to hire legal defense.
Wizardofnothing
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June 28th, 2016 at 8:12:06 AM permalink
That I'll agree with- but presenting a different persons I'd is identity theft- the latter is not- but yes you could still be arrested- however I'm not sure of a single case in history that there was an arrest for PLAYING on someone's card
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GWAE
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June 28th, 2016 at 10:59:41 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I've always wanted to give my girlfriend my second players card to play slots with while I am at the table. I've always decided against it. I feel like something in the system would prevent a single player from earning points at different games simultaneously.



some casinos it won't let you. I had once left my card in a machine and went to play a table. Pit said he couldn't log me in because the card was already active.
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Wizardofnothing
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June 28th, 2016 at 11:42:32 AM permalink
That sounds like a rivers casino that said that- their system is antiquated and if you go from one table to the next the pit has to call to get them to close you out if the other pic did not
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darkoz
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June 28th, 2016 at 2:04:41 PM permalink
Using another persons players card with their permission is not illegal. As players cards are to track your business for reward programs, they are essentially no different than a shoppers club card. Imagine being arrested because your neighbor let you use some free shopping dollars at Pathmark because you told her your kids were hungry.

As for using another persons ID, that is a different story. Intent to defraud is part of the legality and attempting to convince a casino you are someone you are not with valid ID that belongs to another could easily be construed as attempt to defraud. It's so much easier and legal to just ask your friend to come down and sign up, then hand you his card and pin. Suddenly, it goes from you defrauding a casino with false information to the casino handing someone a legit players card and that person deciding what he wanted to do with his own comps.
sabre
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June 28th, 2016 at 2:46:33 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Using another persons players card with their permission is not illegal.



Why were those players in PA arrested?

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