stabworld
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July 15th, 2015 at 3:45:39 PM permalink
Is it illegal to play on a another person's players card in a casino for the following purposes? :

1. To gain comps/ (players points, meals, giveaways, rooms, etc.)
2. To avoid detection if previously identified in that casino as an advantage player.
3. To be able to play with unrestricted play.
4. To get free rooms.

2nd question - Is it illegal to check into a comped room in a casino under that players name, using that players I.D.?
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July 15th, 2015 at 4:19:30 PM permalink
Not illegal but could very well be against the rules in place at the casino. Some establishments are pretty flexible on player card use but there are certainly many other places that will kick you out and remove any points earned during your play. It could also jeopardize your friend's status with the casino. Be prepared to show ID at some places in order to use any comps/freebies associated with the card. Also understand that just because you have a player's card does not mean your play will not be analyzed for AP such as card counting. One other thing to think about is for casinos one of the highest risk areas for fraud and employee theft the last few years has been within the player card/points area and because of that (well at least at my casino) there may be more due diligence at the casino when viewing the ID and confirming the holder of cards identity. The last item you might want to think about is Title 31. If your play has any T31 reporting requirements then providing another persons ID could have some legal ramifications.

Now this is only the viewpoint of a casino worker so understand there is bias and others here could provide you with more valid information regarding actual use from the player's standpoint.
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July 15th, 2015 at 4:36:58 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

Not illegal but could very well be against the rules in place at the casino. Some establishments are pretty flexible on player card use but there are certainly many other places that will kick you out and remove any points earned during your play. It could also jeopardize your friend's status with the casino. Be prepared to show ID at some places in order to use any comps/freebies associated with the card. Also understand that just because you have a player's card does not mean your play will not be analyzed for AP such as card counting. One other thing to think about is for casinos one of the highest risk areas for fraud and employee theft the last few years has been within the player card/points area and because of that (well at least at my casino) there may be more due diligence at the casino when viewing the ID and confirming the holder of cards identity. The last item you might want to think about is Title 31. If your play has any T31 reporting requirements then providing another persons ID could have some legal ramifications.

Now this is only the viewpoint of a casino worker so understand there is bias and others here could provide you with more valid information regarding actual use from the player's standpoint.


Obviously using someone else's ID is illegal. I would never suggest doing it just for a room.
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July 15th, 2015 at 4:45:01 PM permalink
The not illegal and body of my post was in regards to the first set of questions. I was not expressing any opinion on the second question and you are probably right.
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July 15th, 2015 at 4:48:24 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Obviously using someone else's ID is illegal. I would never suggest doing it just for a room.

NOt necessarily. Legal to check into a hotel or a hospital under a false name as long as it is not with intent to defraud. HOw do you think stars stay at hospitals or hotels?

I know of one rich Uncle who uses his card for six days and his Neice's card for one day. the casino really does not think his name changes to stephanie on that last day or that he reverts to age 27 on that last day. they know her comps will be big for the next two mailings due to his one day of playing on her card. the casino likes his action ... why should they object.

a comped room gives the hotel the right to boot you out at any time for any reason... you are not a guest or a transient if its a gift.
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July 15th, 2015 at 4:57:34 PM permalink
On a related note, as a practical measure how do you all recommend one deal with getting a taxable hand pay while playing on someone else's card? It might look suspect to immediately pull the card, do most places bother to check that my ID matches my players card? I've never seen a place actually look at the card when they pull it for a hand pay but all my experience is for jackpots < $1200 . Any advice would be highly appreciated and will hopefully be relevant to me in the coming weeks.
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July 15th, 2015 at 5:09:27 PM permalink
Laws vary from state to state. But a blanket statement like "It's not illegal" is incorrect. Google "theft by deception".
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July 15th, 2015 at 5:44:08 PM permalink
In Pennsylvania, it is illegal to use another players, players card, with or without their permission. It is punishable by a $5000 fine and up to 5 year probation (no jail time). There is a current case going through the system involving a team of known AP's. But it is the only case I have heard of that they have charged someone, even though this case has been on the books, since Pa approved gambling. I can't imagine they would take action against a husband or wife playing on each other's card.
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July 15th, 2015 at 7:01:15 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

Not illegal but could very well be against the rules in place at the casino.



I agree. The M casino trespassed a friend of mine for letting her friend use her card there. Other casinos are more lenient about it.
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July 15th, 2015 at 7:17:55 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I agree. The M casino trespassed a friend of mine for letting her friend use her card there. Other casinos are more lenient about it.



I just like to repeat what I posted in an earlier thread.
Trespass is a serious matter with legal issues.


Yes, I couldn't understand why they are so strick on this matter.
One time I was playing the electronic roulette machine. Betting $10 on red just to pass away the time.
I told my wife to play for me and just hit the repeat button as I wanted to get some fresh air and use the toilet.
When I came back 15 minutes later 2 suits were standing behind her. I was told they kept asking where is Mr..... and why are you playing for him.

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