FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 7:05:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nobody told me, I figured it out. And no proof
of something is just that, no proof. Thats why
we don't send people to prison without good
proof. Can you imagine how ludicrous that
would? Just think 'The Inquisition'..



So is the expert testimony of a nuerosurgeon considered proof?
Nareed
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October 12th, 2012 at 7:07:23 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

So is the expert testimony of a nuerosurgeon considered proof?



Read my post.

And stop feeding the trolls, please :)
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FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 7:25:35 PM permalink
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But even if all that he claims is so, even if he experienced it while "outside" of his functioning mind, the claim itself is worthless scientifically speaking. Even if all he saw happened as he says, there's no objective, tangible evidence to back this up. When a scientists makes an observation, other similar observations are needed to confirm or deny the original.



Thanks for the reminder, I totally missed your post.

I will agree that scientifically speaking the claim is worthless, but the big question remains: because something is scientifically worthless does that really make his experience or the thousands and thousands of others who have experienced similar things worthless. I maintain that there are some truths that science cannot provide evidence for and this does not make them not true or unimportant. In fact I think the things science is rendered helpless to verify are the things that are most true and most important.
EvenBob
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October 12th, 2012 at 7:34:23 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

helpless to verify are the things that are most true and most important.



The things in life that are most important are
food, water and shelter. Take care of those
and man finds time to amuse himself with
gods and the supernatural. Religion is man's
hobby, it has nothing to with survival.
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rxwine
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October 12th, 2012 at 8:12:50 PM permalink
Make a mental note to ask some useful questions should you find yourself in a near death experience. At least more than we usually get. You know, where IS Noah's ark? Where was the gardern of Eden? What are we suppose to do about the Palistinian/israeli problem? Was Obama born in the U.S? How should we set up the tax code? Are the Mormons christian? What's up with Muslims? Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
WongBo
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October 12th, 2012 at 8:25:08 PM permalink
Chicken or egg?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
CrapsForever
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October 12th, 2012 at 8:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

Chicken or egg?



I prefer Steak....
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Nareed
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October 12th, 2012 at 9:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Thanks for the reminder, I totally missed your post.



Hey, if you don't toot your own horn, no one will do it for you :)

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I will agree that scientifically speaking the claim is worthless, but the big question remains: because something is scientifically worthless does that really make his experience or the thousands and thousands of others who have experienced similar things worthless.



No. And I don't see any problem carrying out research. But, difficulties aside, such research is bound to uncover something in the human mind, or perhaps something different but equally mundane. Perhaps we'll find out, say, that glial cells do more than just support cerebral neurons, or that neurons other than those in the brain are involved in thought (unlikely), or that the quantum effects associated to neuronal processes may be carrying out information processing even in a non-functioning mind. Who knows?

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In fact I think the things science is rendered helpless to verify are the things that are most true and most important.



Yeah, anyone can invent a "truth" and then challenge science to explain it. Science has no explanation for the "truths" claimed by Astrology, for example. That must mean these are most true and most important, right?
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FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 9:44:00 PM permalink
I am simply saying that there are truths you cannot reach through science and these are the truths that really matter, like life after death. I think the neat sounding gibberish of neurons and glial cells is pretty cool and I hope we continue to learn more about what they are and what they do, but ultimately the most important truth we should really be interested in first is the question of life after death. Like the existence of God you are not going to discover the answer to this question only by testing evidence. EvenBob again has it backwards, science is a hobby we do to discover more about the amazing world around us but the most important thing we can do for our survival is ask the bigger questions about which science is left speechless. These questions about the spiritual and supernatural will effect everything from how we do science to how we treat ourselves and others. The questions about our beginning and our end determine how we live and directly effect our survival.
Nareed
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October 12th, 2012 at 9:46:00 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

I am simply saying that there are truths you cannot reach through science and these are the truths that really matter,



As wise woman once said "Anyone can invent a "truth" and then challenge science to explain it. Science has no explanation for the "truths" claimed by Astrology, for example. That must mean these are most true and most important, right?"
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