rxwine
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October 12th, 2012 at 2:09:17 PM permalink
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When a neurosurgeon found himself in a coma, he experienced things he never thought possible—a journey to the afterlife. As a neurosurgeon, I did not believe in the phenomenon of near-death experiences. I grew up in a scientific world, the son of a neurosurgeon. I followed my father’s path and became an academic neurosurgeon, teaching at Harvard Medical School and other universities. I understand what happens to the brain when people are near death, and I had always believed there were good scientific explanations for the heavenly out-of-body journeys described by those who narrowly escaped death.



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All the chief arguments against near-death experiences suggest that these experiences are the results of minimal, transient, or partial malfunctioning of the cortex. My near-death experience, however, took place not while my cortex was malfunctioning, but while it was simply off. This is clear from the severity and duration of my meningitis, and from the global cortical involvement documented by CT scans and neurological examinations. According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent.




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It's provacative to a skeptic, including the claim of being a skeptic himself, recognition of science, his background, but...

When you go to the "other side" the proof you could bring back:

For instance, the day and hour, location of a future earthquate in a fairly rare earthquake zone, the day and location of landfall of a hurricane, the day of the eruption of any worldly volcano (which does not erupt yearly, perhaps dormant for at least 20 years or more).

This would be fairly excellent substantive info that couldn't be easily hoaxed (to my knowledge)

Of course, as a doctor, could he have brought back some medically significant info? (though I think such could be hoaxed, if someone wanted to withhold a discovery) Still that would be something.

He brings back this:

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Each time I silently put one of these questions out, the answer came instantly in an explosion of light, color, love, and beauty that blew through me like a crashing wave. What was important about these blasts was that they didn’t simply silence my questions by overwhelming them. They answered them, but in a way that bypassed language. Thoughts entered me directly. But it wasn’t thought like we experience on earth. It wasn’t vague, immaterial, or abstract. These thoughts were solid and immediate—hotter than fire and wetter than water—and as I received them I was able to instantly and effortlessly understand concepts that would have taken me years to fully grasp in my earthly life.

Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
WongBo
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October 12th, 2012 at 4:58:38 PM permalink
Pics or it didn't happen...

His story requires and can produce no proof other than his claim,
and just because he has an advanced degree and knowledge of neuroscience
doesn't mean he knows all there is to know about the capabilities of the brain.
What is more likely? That it is real or that it is all in his head?
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FleaStiff
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October 12th, 2012 at 5:38:08 PM permalink
Seeing a white light?... heck, hypoxemia after any trauma can cause these "near death experiences". Particularly if when he gets to a trauma unit they start him on heparin wide open.
FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 5:53:19 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

Pics or it didn't happen...



This type of philosophy is ridiculous. Think about how much we would miss and not understand if we actually lived by it. For goodness sake please try believing in something that doesn't require or allow a picture to capture it! This is the really real stuff that is all in our head and makes all the difference about how we look at the world and see things that no photograph can prove because they go far beyond the visible and fleeting so called "realities" our senses perceive.
EvenBob
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October 12th, 2012 at 6:04:23 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

For goodness sake please try believing in something that doesn't require or allow a picture to capture it!



Yes! Lets go back to burning witches and blaming
every thing that goes wrong on the devil. We don't
need no stinking proof, thats for the simple minded.
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FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 6:11:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yes! Lets go back to burning witches and blaming
every thing that goes wrong on the devil. We don't
need no stinking proof, thats for the simple minded.



You do need proof but not always proof you can find in a picture or under a microscope. It seems to me simple minded or at least childish to only believe or accept that which is known by the five senses.
EvenBob
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October 12th, 2012 at 6:16:24 PM permalink
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It seems to me simple minded or at least childish to only believe or accept that which is known by the five senses.



Thats why we have organized religions, for the
gullible and bored. People who have to be told
what to do and are lost on their own.
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FrGamble
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October 12th, 2012 at 6:26:01 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Thats why we have organized religions, for the
gullible and bored. People who have to be told
what to do and are lost on their own.



It is also simple minded and childish to believe only what you are told. Who told you there is no God or do you have physical proof there is no God?

By the way can we get back on track? This thread is about life after death and some interesting testimony from a skeptic turned believer through a personal experience. I can't tell you how many times so far in my short priesthood I have encountered amazing things that have happened to people at the moment of death. It is very real in my book.
EvenBob
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October 12th, 2012 at 6:36:37 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Who told you there is no God or do you have physical proof there is no God?



Nobody told me, I figured it out. And no proof
of something is just that, no proof. Thats why
we don't send people to prison without good
proof. Can you imagine how ludicrous that
would? Just think 'The Inquisition'..
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Nareed
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October 12th, 2012 at 7:04:16 PM permalink
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It's provacative to a skeptic, including the claim of being a skeptic himself, recognition of science, his background, but...



Yes, it is provocative (at first). But if what we know about the workings of the human brain were the Encyclopaedia Britannica, then what we have yet to learn would be, oh, the libraries at the British Museum (see this pic for an illustration: http://create.nacue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BL2.jpg )

For starters, the author assumes his experience took several days. We know dreams are a lot shorter than they seem, and that the mind can distort its own perception of time. We also know fever can cause hallucinations. The author doesn't mention fever, but it's reasonable to assume it accompanied the infection. I had some very vivid hallucinations once when I had a very bad, very high fever years ago. they also seemed a lot longer than they likely were.

But even if all that he claims is so, even if he experienced it while "outside" of his functioning mind, the claim itself is worthless scientifically speaking. Even if all he saw happened as he says, there's no objective, tangible evidence to back this up. When a scientists makes an observation, other similar observations are needed to confirm or deny the original.

In this case we'd need to replicate the circumstances on other people and see what they report. Since the author's infection is so deadly, that's not going to happen (hopefully not ever).
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