NokTang
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May 14th, 2012 at 3:23:43 AM permalink
Thought I'd add a short write up on Nagaworld in Phnom Penh.

This casino started as a "boat" and has evolved into a four star type of place on the river in downtown Phnom Penh.

I went twice, last week, wasn't staying there.

As you might expect, the most action and popular game is Baccarat. The main casino floor is divided into two sections. Something called "No Commission" baccarat is offered with a $20.usd min. bet and remained packed, a half size table. I don't know what the rule change is that makes this possible. I asked three people, a dealer, a pit boss, and some sort of casino host. All three said it was because players couldn't touch the cards. This of course makes no sense to a westerner like me. When I told them "that makes no sense?" they looked at me and said "play here sir?".

Upstairs there are to VIP gaming areas. Mostly full size baccarat and a few single zero roulette tables. I may have noticed a black jack table as well. No craps any place. Plenty of slot machines for those inclined.

Overall there were a lot of players in all areas and this was a weekday afternoon and night. They are making real money. The corporate site indicates it is profitable. One what I would guy "a guy who hangs out there" told me it attracted players because there were no taxes on winnings. I just listened to him.

The rules and odds seemed standard or normal. The cards are shuffled using an automatic machine I guess you guys and gals know more about than me. The dealer deals a couple hands then takes the cards and puts them in the back of the machine. How deep the shuffle goes etc. I have no idea. Upstairs was a standard shoe at the baccarat. I was told eight decks.

It's a nice place, smoking allowed, some sort of shows, and a choice of food venues. The buffet on the casino floor wasn't impressive.($9.00usd) Hookers running around and playing but not over bearing. Some sort of disco attached which I was later told also attracts hookers looking for those willing to overpay for same.

Not sure if links allowed so I'll post them in a follow up and see! Cheers. Nok
NokTang
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May 14th, 2012 at 3:25:15 AM permalink
www.nagaworld.com

www.nagacorp.com
WongBo
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May 14th, 2012 at 6:50:50 AM permalink
from their website:

Another version available in our Casino is the “No Tax Baccarat”.
The playing rules are identical with the normal commission Baccarat with one exception:
All bets are paid 1 to 1 except winning Banker bets on 6 points which are paid half.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
DJTeddyBear
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May 14th, 2012 at 7:59:26 AM permalink
That's the same as the UK variant that the Wiz talks about, here:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/6/#uk
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NokTang
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May 14th, 2012 at 8:21:54 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

from their website:

Another version available in our Casino is the “No Tax Baccarat”.
The playing rules are identical with the normal commission Baccarat with one exception:
All bets are paid 1 to 1 except winning Banker bets on 6 points which are paid half.



Thanks for your effort. Seems such an easy thing to "say" or explain when asked. The dealer was Cambodian, the pit boss Cambodian, and the host seemed to be Chinese but I'm not sure.

I might also mention/add, they have several of those mechanical roulette wheels where the machines surround the wheel. The min. bets were of course lower. I don't know if these wheels are fixed or random but again, plenty of people playing them. I noticed you could put bills in for credits. I guess I"m behind the times but that to me was interesting. How you got winnings I don't know. They also had Caribbean Stud poker and another game of that sorts labeled Texas Hold Em. No live poker that I could see or find.
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May 14th, 2012 at 8:44:17 PM permalink
There is poker upstairs, 3 tables, it starts at 2 PM each day with a $50 buy-in tournament. The poker tables are open every day, the dealers always look bored as hell. Two things about this place. First, if you have sunglasses or a hat on anyplace close to a gaming table, you will be quickly surrounded by mean looking goons. This place has a higher goons-per-player ratio than any place I've ever been. Second, they don't have a gift shop or snack bar. But they do have a sign pointing to a snack bar. There just isn't one there. If you want a snack, you will have to walk outside to the street vendors. On the way to getting snacks, you will get about 20 guys asking you if you want a Tuk Tuk. Don't pay more than 2000 riel (50 cents) for a coke, you may have to talk them down. A decent market is a 10 minute walk. The downstairs buffet is sick, never eat there. The upstairs buffet costs $25, way overpriced. Best choice is to order off the menu from the buffet restaurant upstairs or go outside. If you get really hot, hey no problem it's a four-diamond place, just go to the pool. Oh, no pool. Lots of creepy old white guys with young Cambo's hanging on them. Having a kid on the gaming floor isn't a problem, just set them on a chair and let them sleep while you play.
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May 14th, 2012 at 9:01:48 PM permalink
Quote: MrMs

There is poker upstairs, 3 tables, it starts at 2 PM each day with a $50 buy-in tournament. The poker tables are open every day, the dealers always look bored as hell. Two things about this place. First, if you have sunglasses or a hat on anyplace close to a gaming table, you will be quickly surrounded by mean looking goons. This place has a higher goons-per-player ratio than any place I've ever been. Second, they don't have a gift shop or snack bar. But they do have a sign pointing to a snack bar. There just isn't one there. If you want a snack, you will have to walk outside to the street vendors. On the way to getting snacks, you will get about 20 guys asking you if you want a Tuk Tuk. Don't pay more than 2000 riel (50 cents) for a coke, you may have to talk them down. A decent market is a 10 minute walk. The downstairs buffet is sick, never eat there. The upstairs buffet costs $25, way overpriced. Best choice is to order off the menu from the buffet restaurant upstairs or go outside. If you get really hot, hey no problem it's a four-diamond place, just go to the pool. Oh, no pool. Lots of creepy old white guys with young Cambo's hanging on them.



Wow! Your first post????? I guess I'm being watched! but I"m back in Thailand??? I didn't win that much?

True about wearing a hat. But the guys were quite friendly and nice about it, not goons or goonish. I talked the first guy out of it saying my eyes hurt from the lights, the second guy said take it off for the cameras, period. They have a lot of people because labor is very cheap!

The guy I referred to had ordered chicken wings from a drink waitress, $5.usd, about six wings and rice. Inside, he was at a table near the bar inside the casino, right side/section.

Creepy old white guys where? Not inside the casino? The crystal meth addicted hookers from Walkabout go to the casino disco/lounge at night so I'm told but in Cambodia, my experiences at least, no so much of the "hanging on". It's straight to the room(or bathroom in the case of Walkabout). You would have to be nuts to hang out with a young hooker there with so many NGO's around in their Range Rovers and Lexus SUV's taking photos and looking to earn their stipends from abroad.
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May 14th, 2012 at 9:08:41 PM permalink
Some white guys hire one for several days at a time. Then they figure out, too late, they have to feed their new friend, so they end up in awkward situations at the restaurants, having no conversation at all, with everyone knowing what it's about. Go to the buffet for lunch and you will see. They are not at the gaming tables, you are right. The hooker trade is very sad. Next to the fallout from the genocide the KR did to the country, the child hookers rate second on the tragedy scale.
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October 13th, 2012 at 5:42:29 AM permalink
Greetings...I've been back in Nagaworld the last two days. They are still doing a remarkable custom, a lot of gamblers around. While this may be old news to many of you, the company mentioned elsewhere "Rapid" has sold/leased them a bunch of machines which allow you to play low stakes roulette, baccarat, or sic bo. I'd not seen it before so was intrigued to a limited extend. The live table games still are at $60.usd min but these machines, well low, much lower. I only played the roulette one and it was a dime. The spin is a live table, same with baccarat, a live deal to boxes which a camera captures and displays around the area where the machines are. All the machines allow all three games. Still no American craps.

In the live black jack, they have an auto shuffle machine and bury one card prior each hand dealt. Again, maybe common back in the USA but was new thing for me to observe. The rules seemed in order but I can't post them. Something about splitting aces, I think you only get one card etc..

All sorts of hired help around, good drink service, live music(in the afternoon, must be at night as well), nice atmosphere other than the smoke which seems to be common among Asian gamblers. Chain smoke to a man and woman.

I had a snack, some noodle dish, it was good! Very good, cost apx $6.50usd which is double other venues but it was good. No complaints.

Not many hookers around during the day anyhow.

The business they are doing is what is so surprising for those of us who live in the area. I guess the Sands in Singapore and all of Macau are also doing well.
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March 19th, 2013 at 7:54:49 AM permalink
Hello and Happy New Year. Back in NagaWorld this past week. Nothing much has changed. They are making money, see on the web site and in person a new wing under construction.

I had two customer service/consideration issues. I won't bore you with the details but should have left, instead, made a low four figure contribution to the place. One should never gamble when he's angry.

It's clean and comfortable despite a lot of chain smoking. You read it here first, "something wrong" as the fact nothing has changed makes it kind of boring. Maybe I'm crazy but I predict it will decline in profitability. So, as it's listed on the Hong Kong Exchange I'm going to look in to selling it I think they call it "short" predicting the stock value/price will go down.

Cheers and take care.

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