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March 24th, 2013 at 7:34:52 PM permalink
"Players can vote with their feet, but choose not to exercise that right. "

All too often I see back to banks of VP. One side is 8/5 JB, the other side 7/5 JB. And empty seats on the 8, all seats full on the 7 side !
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March 25th, 2013 at 10:17:31 AM permalink
Well, Harrington's feels just as far as Hollywood Charlestown and it has a live UTH table with progressive. The poker room is like a hotel conference room in which Amway would meet. However, there was a buffet there, at least for the tourney. which was nice. The poker players seemed to be better than Charlestown. They have 10x craps, FWIW. I will have to see what Md.Live offers once they get their tables down. I can't believe they said 150 tables, I'd have been shocked by 50 tables.
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March 25th, 2013 at 11:06:37 AM permalink
MD Live is starting out with 122 tables and building a 50 seat poker room that will open in the summer. Hollywood at 2pm on a Thursday was packed. They will probably add more tables, but are waiting to see what effect MD Live has on their table games.
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March 25th, 2013 at 2:51:52 PM permalink
Well, it would be nice if one of those 122 tables included Ultimate Texas but it seems to me that casinos would rather shove 3 card poker down our throats
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March 27th, 2013 at 1:08:17 PM permalink
went there today (weds @1pm)

2 rows of 4 craps tables were out.
they were remodeling the hi limit area. it was completely closed off.

e-craps went down to $15 min. guess it only went up for the weekend

blackjack has a side bet where something between 2 #s. anyone know what this is?
couldnt find bj sidebets on wizards page
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March 27th, 2013 at 1:26:42 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

blackjack has a side bet where something between 2 #s. anyone know what this is?
couldnt find bj sidebets on wizards page



does the sign say "in bet" ?

apparently stands for "in between" ... they have that in Harrington

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#inbetween
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March 27th, 2013 at 1:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

does the sign say "in bet" ?

apparently stands for "in between" ... they have that in Harrington

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#inbetween



yes! thx for the link.
3% house edge

now if they only allow u to bet it AFTER u see the cards.. lol
or option to double down after you see your cards...
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March 29th, 2013 at 12:55:27 AM permalink
Had a chance to go by yesterday, here's my report.

Wanted to hit the buffet. I still say that is the greatest buffet! They still had the mahi mahi and this time I went meatless. Great vegetables selection still; brussels sprouts the way I like em [some chefs can get the bitterness out somehow]. A squash-tomatoes-eggplant dish was really good too. Only things verging on too much salt was when the Wye River seasoning was used, perhaps to be expected in Maryland. I was just fine by not adding salt to anything.

But I digress ...

I saw one million BJ tables. Surely they are going to change the felt and make some of those into some other game! Saw a UTH table, so they will have that too.

8 Craps tables, looks like. If they have more than 2 going at first, I will eat my hat!

Oh, I hardly gambled at all. The Craps gizmo wasn't working! I played some baccarat reluctantly, boy, that is one game you can barely make yourself play unless you want to indulge in Gambler's Fallacy about "what is due". I won $4 killing about an hour waiting for the buffet to open, which amused me. One guy kept slamming the console, furious at his luck at baccarat [you could tell by the timing]. What a way to make a buffoon out of yourself, crying in public about your "bad luck", geez, what an idiot!
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March 29th, 2013 at 4:31:06 AM permalink
what? e-craps was down?! :(

was it working when u got out of the buffet?
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March 29th, 2013 at 6:42:48 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

what? e-craps was down?



Yes, the dice seemed to do what they were supposed to, the equipment that read the roll got it right too, but some malfunction kept the game from being played.



Quote:

was it working when u got out of the buffet?



Nope!

They better get those tables going!
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March 29th, 2013 at 7:16:58 AM permalink
Going to Hollywood Perryville today..will do a report upon my return. Anything in particular anyone is interested in?
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March 29th, 2013 at 10:21:03 AM permalink
Oh, so MdLive reopened its UTH table? That's fun. I wasn't sure if they were going to because they didn't mention it in their promo email listing the new tables being opened.
That is a LOT of craps and BJ tables though.
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March 29th, 2013 at 10:45:04 AM permalink
According to the Maryland Gaming Commission, they requested approved rules for UTH at the March meeting. They will have the game. The woman I emailed said the commission will provide rules for any game that casinos request. If you do not see a game you like on the floor it is because no casino has requested it.
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March 29th, 2013 at 11:01:57 AM permalink
Is MD going to have PG tiles?
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March 29th, 2013 at 11:14:14 AM permalink
Yes those rules were approved at the February meeting. I looked it up on their website curious to see what games were being approved. When I did not see UTH I wrote the commission an email and they said they had just gotten the request for that game and were approving it at the next meeting.
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March 29th, 2013 at 12:22:15 PM permalink
so, that's a positive review for the buffet? I still have yet to do any dining there except for cheesecake factory which, in fitting in with the megafugging cheapness of the place, has no happy hour.
The e-craps has sort of faded for me, especially with the odd new displays and the interminable inter-roll time.
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March 29th, 2013 at 1:50:20 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Yes, the dice seemed to do what they were supposed to, the equipment that read the roll got it right too, but some malfunction kept the game from being played.



ugg.. i'm going there tommorow
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March 30th, 2013 at 11:27:05 AM permalink
So stopped by Hollywood Perryville on Friday the 29th. Nothing much has changed. 1 pit of table games...1 Roulette Wheel, 1 Craps Table, 8 BJ Tables, 2 3CardPoker Tables, 1 4Card Poker Table...that's it. The Roulette and the Craps had $15 min....all others $25 min. With signs on most of the BJ Tables that the minimums were going up to $50 at 3pm. (I was there about 2:30)...Every seat/spot on every game was full. Craps table 3 deep with players. So I left. It will probably stay that way for a while. The security guard at the door said they are going to add another pit of table games "if traffic holds up, after MD Live opens"...so we will see. Also the place looks so small inside. With the slots removed to make room for the table games.
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March 31st, 2013 at 4:12:42 AM permalink
I keep thinking there is going to be quite a shortage of dealers in the general area, keeping the number of tables open pretty low compared to players wanting to play.

PS: update at site says the games will be,

"Blackjack, Roulette, Craps, Mini Baccarat, Fortune Pai Gow Poker, The Big Six Wheel, Three Card Poker, Four Card poker, Mississippi Stud, and Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em "
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March 31st, 2013 at 12:29:02 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I keep thinking there is going to be quite a shortage of dealers in the general area, keeping the number of tables open pretty low compared to players wanting to play.

PS: update at site says the games will be,

"Blackjack, Roulette, Craps, Mini Baccarat, Fortune Pai Gow Poker, The Big Six Wheel, Three Card Poker, Four Card poker, Mississippi Stud, and Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em "




I'm sure that's true. Whenever a state that previously had no table games starts them, the training/licensing of new dealers and supervisors seems to take some time to ramp up. Even with free dealer school(which they did in MD). It's happened in WV, and DE...not so sure about PA but I suspect so.
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March 31st, 2013 at 2:07:44 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

I'm sure that's true. Whenever a state that previously had no table games starts them, the training/licensing of new dealers and supervisors seems to take some time to ramp up. Even with free dealer school(which they did in MD). It's happened in WV, and DE...not so sure about PA but I suspect so.



missed out on the first round of dealer school. hope they have a 2nd round
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March 31st, 2013 at 3:27:37 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

missed out on the first round of dealer school. hope they have a 2nd round



Really?
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April 2nd, 2013 at 9:03:40 AM permalink
I heard that the Maryland rules are similar to Pennsylvania, but does anyone know how many decks they are using at Perryville? Is it 6 deck or 8 deck blackjack?
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April 4th, 2013 at 4:28:43 PM permalink
The Arundel Mills casino will run a control test of its new table games on April 5 and April 9 for customers.
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April 4th, 2013 at 4:40:47 PM permalink
According to an article in the Washington Post there was approximately a 100 person wait for the poker room Saturday night and another huge wait for tables. I am sure some of that will go away once Maryland Live gets tables, but I bet Hollywood will bring in an extra pit sooner than later.
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April 4th, 2013 at 8:32:24 PM permalink
Quote: LarryRevs

I heard that the Maryland rules are similar to Pennsylvania, but does anyone know how many decks they are using at Perryville? Is it 6 deck or 8 deck blackjack?



I would be guessing, but I think it's 8 deck shoes. The Hollywood WV definitely uses 8 decks, and I can't see Penn National ever giving away better rules to the player. I did see Perryville offers 3-4-5X odds on craps, unlike the awful 2X odds they offer in WV. I wonder if that will change with the added competition from MD Live.
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April 5th, 2013 at 7:10:02 PM permalink
Ok, walked around MD live.

There are at least 3 UTH tables with progressive. It seems that the table min could be $10, but $5 was listed too. I think that it's going to be $10 ante and $5 trips min. So, no $1 trips for people.

Actually, every table game seems to offer progressive or bad beat.

The craps tables are tight. With boxcars getting only 30:1 BUT offering 10x odds!

The trips table, IIRC paytable 2:
50
40
30
8
6
5
3

The progressive seemed really nice, like better than michigan payout without distinction of how RF made. Current seed is $10K.

So, that's going to be fun. Better than harrington's single table.
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April 5th, 2013 at 7:58:09 PM permalink
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The craps tables are tight. With boxcars getting only 30:1 BUT offering 10x odds!



What craps table offers better than 30:1 for that bet? This is a big part of craps being a decent money maker...lol
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April 5th, 2013 at 8:05:21 PM permalink
the itable there has 12 paying 3 in the field and 31 on the hit
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April 5th, 2013 at 8:32:00 PM permalink
Quote: UTHfan

the itable there has 12 paying 3 in the field and 31 on the hit


Likely 31 for 1, same as 30:1.
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April 6th, 2013 at 7:17:46 AM permalink
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The craps tables are tight. With boxcars getting only 30:1 BUT offering 10x odds!



10X odds, IMHO, means they really are serious about attracting high rollers, certainly more so than Penn National. And, if the minimums are initially around $25 at opening, you'll need to be a high roller to play full odds anyways. Then again, they kind of had to do this, since the Horseshoe brand is built on good table game odds and they would certainly do 10X or more if rules allowed it.
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April 6th, 2013 at 8:20:13 AM permalink
Quote: silversonic2006

the Horseshoe brand is built on good table game odds and they would certainly do 10X or more if rules allowed it.



Horseshoe brand?

Quote: silversonic2006

if the minimums are initially around $25 at opening, you'll need to be a high roller to play full odds anyways.



When playing 10x odds I make my total amount bet per session equal to what it would be if the table were 3x4x5x. That has worked OK - not great - for me, not getting lucky yet.

But I will be a no-show for $25 min as long as that is the deal.
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April 6th, 2013 at 8:45:29 AM permalink
lolz, especially since their atms max out at $250.
yeah, $25 craps? with how many tables there? 2, 4?
good luck with that.
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April 6th, 2013 at 9:19:52 AM permalink
They have 8-10 craps tables at MD Live, but who knows how many will be up and running at one time. At opening, I'd be shocked if craps wasn't $25+ min. I expect it to be $15 after the grand opening period passes, maybe $10 at slow times, using Parx as an example.

I meant Caesars markets Horseshoe as the brand of high maximums and high odds (I know they advertise 100X odds and $100K max bets at their Chicago area casino). Given how competitive the casino market is in MD/PA/WV, if MD Live didn't offer big craps odds Horseshoe would have no problem doing it.
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April 6th, 2013 at 11:12:10 AM permalink
Quote: LarryRevs

I heard that the Maryland rules are similar to Pennsylvania, but does anyone know how many decks they are using at Perryville? Is it 6 deck or 8 deck blackjack?



Definitely 8 Deck...both Hollywood Perryville, and MD Live. With the possible exception of High Limit..which doesn't exist at Perryville, but I'm sure they will have a HL room at MD Live.
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April 9th, 2013 at 6:05:11 AM permalink
Has anyone seen the odds for the HARDWAYS. HARD 6/8 going 10:1 / 8:1 / even lower?
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April 9th, 2013 at 9:45:58 AM permalink
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Has anyone seen the odds for the HARDWAYS. HARD 6/8 going 10:1 / 8:1 / even lower?



I wouldnt expect anything different from anywhere else... who has such differences?

I am sorry to say I failed to note the deal on the field. Did anybody?
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April 9th, 2013 at 10:31:12 AM permalink
I was just in Vegas and the MGM properties had 10:1 odds for HARD 6/8. I go to Hard Rock and its 8:1 for the same bet
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April 9th, 2013 at 12:17:09 PM permalink
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I was just in Vegas and the MGM properties had 10:1 odds for HARD 6/8. I go to Hard Rock and its 8:1 for the same bet



Well, that precludes getting confused about "x for one" and "x to one" in all cases.

10:1 is *fair* odds though! That *is* likely to be "10 for one" which is the standard 9:1 payout.
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April 11th, 2013 at 12:27:38 AM permalink
PDF file at site now has some answers. Field has no number paying triple. Buy bets pay the vig all the time. Hardways pay 9:1 or 7:1 depending on which bet.

Setting the dice is mentioned. Dice must hit the back wall, setting dice cannot purposefully delay the game. Setting apparently tolerated but "floorperson" will make the call and given a lot of leeway.

Oddly, 'copy and paste' does not work with this file.

Naturally, no real news yet on 'how it's going' but supposed to have started today just after midnight.

http://www.marylandlivecasino.com/assets/PDFs/Gaming-Guide.pdf

PS: BJ pays 3-2 and dealer stands on all 17s. 6-8 decks, dealt from shoe, no other info. Not clear on things like re-splitting Aces from what I can tell. On other games not much paytable info.
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April 12th, 2013 at 11:45:02 AM permalink
Maryland Live had a huge turnout for their table game opening. I did not go but heard all of their minimus were $25 and up, but of course that was probably because of the opening. That might be the weekend rate though for a while if it stays as busy as I think it will. It has become the number one casino in the whole Mid-Atlantic area.
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April 13th, 2013 at 6:25:08 PM permalink
Any more details on BJ rules? I'm happy to see 3:2 and S17. Six decks would be great at a $15 min.
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April 13th, 2013 at 6:27:06 PM permalink
Also if anyone goes tonight, I'd really like to know how high the minimums get.
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April 14th, 2013 at 8:15:48 AM permalink
Hey everyone, I'm a first-time poster but I've been lurking for a while on this forum.

Just wanted to report my experience at Hollywood Charles Town this past weekend. I live at the "break-even" point between Hollywood and MD Live (22033) but decided to go to Hollywood since I didn't want to deal with all the opening weekend chaos.

First of all, it was noticeably less crowded than a typical Friday night at Hollywood. It wasn't dead by any means, but there were plenty of empty seats and most craps tables only had 4 or 5 players per side. The minimums were also much lower than usual: $10 craps all night (usually it goes to $25 during peak hours) and $15/$25 BJ and I only spotted a couple $50 tables (usually quite a few $50 tables during peak hours).

They had four craps tables open for most of the night but two closed promptly after midnight. They never opened the fifth craps table (across from the pit where the Asian games are), which is too bad because I actually enjoy playing there to get away from the crowd (and the frustration when you pick the wrong table and hear cheering at the table next to you, LOL).

As you can expect, EVERYONE was talking about MD Live (players, dealers, pit-bosses). There seemed to be a number of new dealers (I think a lot of dealers went to MD, last time I was at Hollywood it was one of the craps dealer's last day before going to MD); every craps crew had one or two new dealers which really slowed the game down. Good news is that there were confirmed rumors (dealers and boxmen) that Hollywood will be going to 3x-4x-5x odds soon (right now they offer 2x odds with "breakage"). The talk around town was that MD Live was offering 10x odds. Of course, I kept insisting that they make more player-friendly concessions such as not taking an upfront vig on buy bets :-).

As a side note, I joined a dark-side table and we went on an unbelievable run. In three rotations of shooting, I think we only hit two points total. Unfortunately, it was the only winning table I was at all night.

I think I will continue to go to Hollywood over MD Live. Most of the dealers are quite good and it's a quick 45 minute drive for me (who knows what traffic will be like heading towards Baltimore). Plus, it's fun to watch the horses every once in a while.
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April 14th, 2013 at 12:51:51 PM permalink
That gambling guide says 6 to 8 decks. Does anyone know if there are any 6 deck games at MD Live? If they do have them I am guessing it is on the higher limit tables.
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April 15th, 2013 at 4:18:00 AM permalink
heard from someone who was there on Sat.

Craps tables were $100 min. and they were packed!
no idea what e-Craps was set to
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April 15th, 2013 at 4:50:48 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

heard from someone who was there on Sat.

Craps tables were $100 min. and they were packed!
no idea what e-Craps was set to



I also heard it was crazy busy. Friend of mine waited an hour to play BJ and couldn't find a table he said. $25 was min he saw...many tables at $100 min.
It's going to be like this for a week or two. Until the buzz dies down.
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April 15th, 2013 at 8:33:47 AM permalink
I wonder how many people, if any, were betting the whole 100 and 1000 odds. I'm glad I didn't scout it out, wouldn't have played at that level.
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April 15th, 2013 at 1:05:43 PM permalink
I don't suppose anyone knows when table games start going. Absent any info, I should have a report for early morning pretty soon.
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April 15th, 2013 at 3:32:10 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I don't suppose anyone knows when table games start going. Absent any info, I should have a report for early morning pretty soon.



I believe they run 24/7, just like the rest of the casino. MD lifted its hours restrictions on casinos as part of the table games legislation.
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