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vendman1
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March 7th, 2013 at 8:00:47 AM permalink
Quote: silversonic2006

It looks like all the tables are open today, a day earlier than planned. The casino posted some pictures on Facebook....considering it's only 12 house-banked table games and 8 poker tables, it doesn't look too bad. From the pictures I saw, it looks like craps is 3-4-5X odds, 00 roulette (not like I really expected single 0 roulette outside a high limit room), and blackjack is 3:2, stand all 17's.



See this is the danger of Facebook. No the tables were not open early.

They opened at midnight on Thursday the 7th..just as advertised. There were only 12-15 people waiting to play, limits were all $25. The weather was sketchy and scared some people away I believe. Yes there are 12 tables. Mostly BJ (all stand on 17). Two Roulette (both 00) tables and two craps(3,4,5x odds) tables. There are 8 poker tables out and set up, but they weren't in use when I saw them. So can't speak to that. I tried to ask some casino employees about poker openings and got two different answers. They are having trouble getting trained poker dealers apparently. So Perryville is up and running, no sign of a high limit area yet. Arundel Mills will be up in April sometime. I've heard rumors that Arundel Mills is going to do a soft opening a little ahead of the official opening of tables. We will see.
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March 8th, 2013 at 2:15:58 PM permalink
was at MD Live today.

the tables were up by the front door (behind ropes):
5 BJ, 1 roulette, 1 craps

didnt check the other entrance of the casino to see if there were tables there.

hopefully theres more.
if not, then they either didnt hold a big enuf dealer school, or ALOT of people failed out
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March 9th, 2013 at 3:50:47 AM permalink
I got it wrong and it's April 11th [not March] that they are using as their start date. So not sure what it means to see some tables now.

If there is going to only be one Craps table, forget it, it'll be busy as hell at all times.

PS: news articles say 122 table games, so surely there will be more than one Craps table.
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March 9th, 2013 at 9:51:27 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I got it wrong and it's April 11th [not March] that they are using as their start date. So not sure what it means to see some tables now.

If there is going to only be one Craps table, forget it, it'll be busy as hell at all times.

PS: news articles say 122 table games, so surely there will be more than one Craps table.



If I were to guess, MD Live probably had a table games floor plan made up when they built the place, so they know exactly what they have to do and how they have to get it done, and are probably going to move very quickly as the tables begin coming in over the next 4 weeks. I'm still curious as to how they're only going to displace 500 slots and be able to squeeze 150 table games in...I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of dust/rearrangement over the next month.

For a comparison point, Borgata has 4,000 slots and 200 tables (per Wikipedia). MD Live will be just about the same, once slots are removed to make way for table games and the poker tables get counted.
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March 10th, 2013 at 12:35:27 PM permalink
Well, I haven't been in a week or so, so I missed any notice of there being live tables. But it goes to show that MdLive is super boring with no real skill games yet. They shut down the UTH ishuffle table along with the Miss. Stud. All that was left was three-card poker and BJ, and 3 card poker is not exactly a skill game, it's basically war.
There should be a Miss. Stud table. To quote the email:
"122 live action table games, including Blackjack, Craps, Roulette, Mini-Baccarat, Pai Gow Poker, Pai Gow Tiles, Three Card Poker, Four Card Poker, Texas Hold 'Em, Mississippi Stud and Big Six."
I do hope that the competition forces Charlestown to loosen their tables, I noticed their craps tables have 2 and 12 only paying double.
I also hope that they bring back ultimate texas holdem.
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March 10th, 2013 at 6:07:26 PM permalink
" I do hope that the competition forces Charlestown to loosen their tables, I noticed their craps tables have 2 and 12 only paying double.
I also hope that they bring back ultimate texas holdem. "


Judging on past management decision's, I expect them to tighten their tables to compensate for the decrease in customers.
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March 11th, 2013 at 6:14:46 PM permalink
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Judging on past management decision's, I expect them to tighten their tables to compensate for the decrease in customers.



I agree with Buzzard in that I think they'll do whatever they have to do to keep the money rolling in. I guess WV prohibits 6:5 blackjack, because I'm sure they would have thrown that in there if they could.

The last time I was there, I did notice one very small change, but in my mind it was significant: they have added licensed theme slots (Wheel of Fortune, Sex and the City, Hangover, etc). It's only a few, and they're probably set as tight as they can go, but before MD Live opened, they never had any major themed games at all.

The one thing that might save Charles Town for now is the NOVA/Western MD gamblers. Even when MD Live opens, Charles Town will still be a closer and more convenient destination, and the minimums certainly won't be going up. Rocky Gap will have little to no impact IMHO....500 slots and 10 tables won't even dent Charles Town's bottom line.
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March 12th, 2013 at 12:35:10 AM permalink
Quote: silversonic2006

I think they'll do whatever they have to do to keep the money rolling in



Buzzard was joking that they would react by tightening [to no odds or something]. It's a fact that sometimes that is the reaction. There are always some Suits in any outfit who react to less traffic by demanding more profitable actions to get back the old profit level ... even when less traffic is caused by competition!

But let's hope you are right.

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when MD Live opens, Charles Town will still be ... closer



I don't see that for Northern VA. According to google maps, even Fairfax VA 22031 is closer to Maryland Live [about the same actually]; more westerly Fairfax 22033 finally gets the nod as closer to Charles Town by a bit.

But I appreciate any updates you can give us on Charles Town. Sometime in the future I'll be moving and Charles Town will be the closest for me.
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March 12th, 2013 at 10:45:49 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Buzzard was joking that they would react by tightening [to no odds or something]. It's a fact that sometimes that is the reaction. There are always some Suits in any outfit who react to less traffic by demanding more profitable actions to get back the old profit level ... even when less traffic is caused by competition!

But let's hope you are right.



I don't see that for Northern VA. According to google maps, even Fairfax VA 22031 is closer to Maryland Live [about the same actually]; more westerly Fairfax 22033 finally gets the nod as closer to Charles Town by a bit.

But I appreciate any updates you can give us on Charles Town. Sometime in the future I'll be moving and Charles Town will be the closest for me.



Odious,

I live west of Baltimore near I-70; and Charles Town is less than an hour for me...closest real casino. I go there about once a week when I don't have time for ACity trips. I can tell you they are absolutely sweating the opening of real casino gaming in MD. MD Live is bad enough. But the eventually PG county casino outside DC, and the Downtown Balt. one, is going to freaking kill them. I talked to a floorperson there a week or so ago who claims the slots action is down 20%-25% since MD live opened. The tables have been largely unaffected according to him(that will change soon). It's a nice facility with a good poker room, a nice horse track, and easy ingress/egress. But the staff has always seemed a little uppity to me, with very high minimums for tables.. That and their comp system is for crap. Also it's smokey as hell in there. This might be a WV thing. So I will be interested to see what changes are made, if any. Will keep you posted
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March 12th, 2013 at 1:41:13 PM permalink
Shenandoah Downs ? A training track or plowed over ? just asking.
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