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Quote: AZDuffmanI don't think this is an isolated case. Blacks in the USA have been fed the "racism is all that is holding you back" line that they are more likely to preceive any slight in customer service or lack of promotion to work to racism. I've seen blacks denied hotel rooms because they were black so I am not saying it does not happen.I'd say the store was telling the truth. The store made a profit and loss decision. They are not there so Oprah can sell more of her product.
I don't think it makes any sense to compare this incident with garden variety racism. No store in their right mind would miss out on a chance to both make a big sale to Oprah Winfrey, and in addition possibly get some free publicity that would be worth millions of dollars. But it was after regular store hours, and undoubtedly the manager of the store felt compelled to stick to his contract to prepare the store for a private party in a few hours.
Let me quote an admittedly over the top blogger who is very popular for (his/her?) wicked, biting, no holds barred commentary.
Quote: Bachem Macuno
OPRAH BATTLES HIGH-END FRENCH BOUTIQUE RACISM AND THE TYRANNY OF REGULAR STORE HOURS:
ONE WOMAN'S STORY OF A HAUTE COUTURE QUASI-LYNCHING
FRIDAY, JUNE 24, 2005
The furor surrounding the refusal to admit Oprah Winfrey and her longtime companion to Hermes in Paris after store hours has escalated to the next level. "Oh, it’s on," her spokesperson was quoted as saying. "What is ‘Hermes’ French for? ‘Ku Klux Klan’?"
Hermes, which is actually French for ‘Really, Really Rich People Only,’ turned the Winfrey party away when she tried to gain entry after the close of its business day. "There should be regular people store hours, and they should enforce those as strictly as they like, but there should be anytime hours for people like Oprah and her friends. All we want is fairness."
"It’s like a metaphor for race relations in the world today. There are the people inside the impossibly high-end luxury stores, and the massively powerful Black media moguls locked outside. Oprah is striking a blow here for all the other billionaire Black women without a voice in today’s society," said Gayle King, Oprah’s best pal, travelling companion, and most intimate confidante.
An initial statement released by Hermes said: "Hermes regrets not having been able to welcome Oprah Winfrey and the lady accompanying her to give them all the attention and service that Hermes is committed to giving each of its clients in the world.
"Hermes expresses its sincere regrets for any misunderstanding that these circumstances could have caused," it added.
Oprah has reportedly cancelled an order for a tractor trailer of Hermes toilet paper, and will go back to using hundred dollar bills.
Winfrey's show attracts about 30 million viewers each week, absolutely none of whom can afford a $4,000 scarf at Hermes or even properly pronounce the store’s name, and she is believed to have generated more money than Microsoft and the Catholic Church combined during the past year.
King, a witness to the incident, said it was one of the most humiliating moments of her life. "It was like something out of Mississippi Burning," she said.
"In some ways, it was worse than what Rosa Parks faced. At least Sister Rosa was welcome to move to the back of the bus. They wouldn’t even let us in the back of the store," King said. "Which would’ve been insulting enough, but at least that’s where they have the leather bangle bracelets. Have you seen them? They’re adorable. And only $800 apiece! They also have sterling silver bracelets for $1100, but that would be too painful a reminder of our history as slaves."
A spokesman for the 91-year old Rosa Parks declined to make any statement that didn’t liken Gayle King to a deluded imbecile.
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Ms. Winfrey reportedly has a call into God to make sure this doesn’t happen.
Oprah Crusade
Quote: HotBlonde
I posted this one a while back. Minus the drink, this kinda fits your description, no? (And I am actually at a wine tasting bar here, so maybe that counts!)
Better. Now you're looking at something off-scene. This rouses curiosity, be it consciously or subconsciously, and that's always good.
On the minus side the lightning's atrocious and the background's too bright. that's the photographer's fault, of course.
Quote: thecesspitDidn't Sammy Davis Jr have problems with being able to enter and leave some hotels through the front door? Hey, you are our headline act, we are paying thousands of dollars to play here, but you can't stay here and must come in via the back door. Is that okay with you?
Sammy had problems right up to the early 70's. He would be the headliner and the mob would tell him to use the kitchen entrance, thank you. The only place he had it made was the Sands and thats because Sinatra owned a piece of it until the mid 60's. And even Frank had to fight to get Sammy allowed on the casino floor. Blacks were allowed on stage, but customers would leave if they were gambling next to them.
There were already customers in the store when Oprah showed up, and they kept her locked out.
Quote: rxwineThere were already customers in the store when Oprah showed up, and they kept her locked out.
Yes, that was big part of the argument. The store said that they had locked the front door at their normal closing time, and was in the process of discreetly trying to get their remaining customers to finish their transactions and leave.
The CEO of Hermes publicly apologized to Winfrey, saying she met "one very, very rigid staff member", who didn't know who she was. Oprah later invited the CEO to be on her show.
Like I said, no one would refuse Oprah Winfrey unless there was either (a) an amazingly good reason, or (b) she wasn't recognized.
But back to my original point, I just don't find these exchanges to be very entertaining, one way or another. I much prefer listening to a comedian. For female talk show hosts, I enjoy Ellen Degeneres, Wanda Sykes, Chelsea Handler, etc.
Quote: EvenBobSammy had problems right up to the early 70's. He would be the headliner and the mob would tell him to use the kitchen entrance, thank you. The only place he had it made was the Sands and thats because Sinatra owned a piece of it until the mid 60's. And even Frank had to fight to get Sammy allowed on the casino floor. Blacks were allowed on stage, but customers would leave if they were gambling next to them.
In the book "When the Mob Ran Vegas" the author talks of meeting Sammy near some tennis courts out back of the Sands. Said Sammy was friendly and asked about his stay as if Mr Davis was a GM of the hotel with genuine concern of how his guest was doing. He said Sammy had a little bungalo out back. This could have been a privacy choice on Sammy's part or some sort of "agreement" management made to allow him on the grounds but not in the hotel itself.
From what I have heard of Sammy he wanted to break down the barriers without breaking heads. He understood white people bought the tickets to his shows and was careful not to PO paying customers. So his thoght was he can put up with a few indignities so later more black performers would get a shot.
Quote: AZDuffmanSo his thought was he can put up with a few indignities so later more black performers would get a shot.
Maybe. I'm a huge Sinatra fan and have read probably 15 biographies of him over the years. I have everything he ever recorded. In all the books, a lot is written about Sammy, and he really hated being black, to the point that he didn't even want to hang out with other blacks. He was talented and ambitious and loved hanging out with Frank and Dean. He loved whites and rejected being seen with other blacks as much as he could.
Quote: pacomartinYes, that was big part of the argument. The store said that they had locked the front door at their normal closing time, and was in the process of discreetly trying to get their remaining customers to finish their transactions and leave.
The CEO of Hermes publicly apologized to Winfrey, saying she met "one very, very rigid staff member", who didn't know who she was. Oprah later invited the CEO to be on her show.
Like I said, no one would refuse Oprah Winfrey unless there was either (a) an amazingly good reason, or (b) she wasn't recognized.
Also, I'm pretty sure the sour grapes aren't coming from the store's perspective. Because from the store's perspective, they were wrong wrong wrong, someone should be fired, apologies to Oprah are in order, and Oprah you're like Rosa Parks or anybody else you'd likle to be (AND PLEASE COME SPEND SOME OF YOUR MILLIONS AT OUR STORE!!! (which is what it's all about really)
Whereas, if Lindsay Lohan showed up these days, they'd rightly not recognize her (even if they did recognize her).
Quote: EvenBobBack in the 90's, when we had the antique mall, Oprah single handedly drove up the value of antique Shaker furniture. She was at an auction in Connecticut and was bidding on almost all the Shaker items and she was being run up by the other bidders because she just kept going till she bought it. From that auction, dealers raised the value of their Shaker items for years, just because a dope with a fat wallet and a big name didn't know what she was doing.
As the owner of an antique mall I would imagine you would have loved that unless you didn't have any Shaker items. I live a few minutes from Woodbury CT, which is a town mainly of antique shops and my relatives in the business who dealt in Shaker Items were equally thrilled about Martha Stewart when in the late 80's early 90's started extolling the virtue of Shaker items. But seeing as the entire population of Shakers at the height was around 5000 and currently only a few very, very old Shakers are still around the amount of furniture is limited to say the least.
But just because some one who has amounts of money that you can't comprehend spends amounts you think are unreasonable doesn't make them a dope. Seeing as she makes around 700k a day what may seem unreasonable to you would be quite paltry to her. I imagine she knew what she was doing. She wanted an item and she got it.
Quote: Wavy70
But just because some one who has amounts of money that you can't comprehend spends amounts you think are unreasonable doesn't make them a dope.
At an auction it does. Overpaying for something just because you can always makes you a dope. Its like in Europe, when Americans over tip. They take the money, but think the tipper is an idiot and they laugh at him behind his back.
Quote: EvenBobAt an auction it does. Overpaying for something just because you can always makes you a dope. Its like in Europe, when Americans over tip. They take the money, but think the tipper is an idiot and they laugh at him behind his back.
Overpaying is subjective. But in an auction I have to imagine her representative was told to bid and buy it no matter what. Additionally unless she was bidding against herself how did she overpay? I can't say but I have been to enough auctions to see items that should have gone for $X end up selling at 10 times the value due to a few enthusiastic bidders who each wanted the item. An item is worth what a person will pay for it. But I must agree you see a lot of sour-grapes after an auctions and the loser will inevitably say that the winner was a sucker to bid that much, even though they bid nearly the same amount. Human nature to try to put down others to feel better.
The true fools in that situation would be the ones who were over bidding to raise the price. Those are the ones who end up having the item dropped in their lap and unable to pay. Fortunately I have only witnessed that once but its was an embarrassing situation for all involved.
Your analogy seems to assume that she did not know the expected value of these items. Seeing she has one of the most significant collections of Shaker items in private hands I doubt that any wool was pulled over her eyes. I don't doubt a bunch of the other bidders chuckled while they drove away in their BMW's while her Learjet warmed up on the runway. To them she paid a years salary on something but to her she earned what she spent walking to her car.
As to European Waiters laughing at Americans after they tip I bet they are very accommodating beforehand hoping for the tip. I would also bet that if the same waiter spotted the same American come back he would bend over backwards serving them.
But I have never been one to wonder what my server thinks of me as a person. I just care about how they accommodate me. But I don't need the praise of strangers to justify myself.
Quote: Wavy70Overpaying is subjective. But in an auction I have to imagine her representative was told to bid and buy it no matter what.
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It was her, it wasn't one of her minions. She knew the value, by overpaying she also increased the value of her own collection. Its an old trick collectors play at auctions. Its funny to them, to us that had to buy and sell for a living, we found it somewhat less than hilarious. If you think rich people aren't aware of the money they have, what its worth and what it can buy, you're way off base.
Quote: EvenBobIt was her, it wasn't one of her minions. She knew the value, by overpaying she also increased the value of her own collection. Its an old trick collectors play at auctions. Its funny to them, to us that had to buy and sell for a living, we found it somewhat less than hilarious. If you think rich people aren't aware of the money they have, what its worth and what it can buy, you're way off base.
Yes, if you reread my post I said her representative was told how to bid.
Uh I think you were the one saying she did not know the value of things. I have no doubt she knows exactly what she is worth and what she can buy. You were the one calling her a fool.
I also would bet that the sellers were very happy at the end of the day.
Quote: Wavy70Yes, if you reread my post I said her representative was told how to bid.
Uh I think you were the one saying she did not know the value of things.
I forgot the whole story and asked my wife, thats why I changed it. She did it to run up the value of her own collection, not because she was ignorant. All I remember is we could no longer buy Shaker items because of her exploits. And SHE was there, not a representative. Screw the sellers, who cares what they thought. I've been to a couple thousand auctions and one thing I never think about is the sellers.
Quote: EvenBobAt an auction it does. Overpaying for something just because you can always makes you a dope. Its like in Europe, when Americans over tip. They take the money, but think the tipper is an idiot and they laugh at him behind his back.
I loved American's in the bar I worked in, because they would tip, and a couple of pounds extra for doing my job was a nice little bonus. Never thought anyone tipping me was an idiot... just from a different culture.
Now, the daft bastards who'd been in town 24 hours and then lecture me on British History (wrongly) and the local sights I should -really see one day- (while getting there name, location and whether they were worth seeing wrong)... those people I'd laugh at, but that was whether they gave me a tip or not.
Quote: thecesspitNow, the daft bastards who'd been in town 24 hours and then lecture me on British History (wrongly) and the local sights I should -really see one day- (while getting there name, location and whether they were worth seeing wrong)... those people I'd laugh at, but that was whether they gave me a tip or not.
So that isn't where Henry the VIII ate the 8lb burrito? At least i can go and torment a palace guard.
Quote: EvenBobI've been to a couple thousand auctions and one thing I never think about is the sellers.
So you have never sold at an auction I would have to guess. I bet a lot of sellers were hoping to get a few grand ended up wiht fat pockets not to mention the percent the house took.
Quote: Wavy70So you have never sold at an auction I would have to guess.
I've sold at many auctions. In 1995 I sold at the Shipshewana IN auction 27 weeks in a row.
Quote: EvenBobI've sold at many auctions. In 1995 I sold at the Shipshewana IN auction 27 weeks in a row.
So I would guess then you thought about the seller at least 27 times out of the thousands of auctions you went to.
Quote: Wavy70So I would guess then you thought about the seller at least 27 times out of the thousands of auctions you went to.
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Good job...
Quote: EvenBobAre you being obtuse on purpose? Good job...
Not at all Bob you said out of the thousand auctions you have been to you never cared about the seller.
I said you must never have been the seller
You said you were a seller for 27 weeks in a row in '97 I think.
So I have to guess that at least 27 times you cared about the seller.
If you didn't care about yourself as a seller I am confused.
Bob I am not being Obtuse. I am just trying to figure out what you are saying since your posts seem to contradict each other.
In one post you say Oprah is a fool for how she bid. Later you say she knew what she was doing.
You said her minions (your word) bid for her then you edit it to change it.
Forgive me if it is hard to follow your story but it changes rapidly.
Are you being confusing on purpose? Good Job.
That's just a joke. (I mean, in case they think I enjoyed their shitstorms and want to start up again.)
Quote: Wavy70But just because some one who has amounts of money that you can't comprehend spends amounts you think are unreasonable doesn't make them a dope.
If someone spends $1000+ on a bottle of vodka at Tryst, then yes, they're a dope. A rich dope, but a dope nonetheless.
Quote: EvenBobI said she herself bid, not her minions. I changed my story because my wife set me straight, as I explained. In auctions, thinking about the seller never comes up, why would it. If I'm selling, yes, I think about the seller, duh. If you have such a hard time figuring out my posts, block me. I just blocked you, I don't have time for nonsense.
Bob not sure why you seem to be getting upset. You must admit it isn't very easy to figure out your posts when you change them. I have no problem with that however keep in mind my post is most likely referring to your claims per(Edit PRE) edit.
But you keep going back in forth. Maybe your wife should have posted the story since she seems to have a better recollection of it. The only nonsense is that you keep changing your story. Reread the last posts and you will see how often you contradicted yourself (Pre Edit) Since your wife corrected you did you block her also?
Frankly I could careless if you blocked me. But it seems that logic was getting in the way of your claims. Sorry if you can't handle not being correct.
Quote: zippyboyIf someone spends $1000+ on a bottle of vodka at Tryst, then yes, they're a dope. A rich dope, but a dope nonetheless.
Arguable, but they are pumping bottles of vodka off the bottling line 24/7. Shaker furniture is no longer being made.
Quote: rxwineYou guys are a poor substitute for MKL vs Logan.
That's just a joke. (I mean, in case they think I enjoyed their shitstorms and want to start up again.)
I was just trying to figure out what Bob was saying. He seemed to contradict himself on every post. It also doesn't help that he edits and changes the posts. I was just trying to see where he was coming from. Bob however seemed to take umbridge to the fact he was questioned. I never felt any need to be correct. If you look at the TV thread I agreed with a few of Bobs points to me. Sorry if he took it as an attack. Not really sure why he did.
Quote: rxwineAlso, I'm pretty sure the sour grapes aren't coming from the store's perspective. Because from the store's perspective, they were wrong wrong wrong, someone should be fired, apologies to Oprah are in order, and Oprah you're like Rosa Parks or anybody else you'd likle to be (AND PLEASE COME SPEND SOME OF YOUR MILLIONS AT OUR STORE!!! (which is what it's all about really)
Whereas, if Lindsay Lohan showed up these days, they'd rightly not recognize her (even if they did recognize her).
Lindsay Lohan would be recognized. There is a Xerox copy of her security camera picture scotch-taped the cash register, right next to the counterfeit bills, and the "do not take checks from:..." list.
Quote: Wavy70Arguable, but they are pumping bottles of vodka off the bottling line 24/7. Shaker furniture is no longer being made.
That's exactly my point! The time to buy an antique is when you see that antique. Is she "overpays" for a Shaker bed at an auction, it's because she may never see another bed like that in her lifetime, and she can afford it. It's not like the exact same bed is available for 1/20 the price on every street corner like vodka.
- A nearly $6 million co-op unit in Streeterville
- A two-level condominium unit in a loft building that is closer to her studios for $780,000
- The 42.77-acre estate in Montecito, Calif., that she bought in 2001 for $50 million and expanded in 2004 by buying an adjacent 1-acre property.
– More than $13 million worth of oceanfront property in Maui.
– A Fisher Island, Fla., condo unit that she purchased in 1996 for $660,000.
– A 10,433-square-foot house on 4.02 acres in Greenwich, Conn., that she bought in 2000 for $3.6 million.
– A house in Merrillville, Ind.
– A lakefront condominium in Milwaukee that she purchased in 2003 for $448,900.
– Two adjoining condo units in Atlanta that she bought in 2003 for $1.515 million.
– A condo in suburban Atlanta that she purchased in 2005 for $825,000.
– A Nashville condo that she bought in 2002 for $191,500.
– A 7,020-square-foot house and an adjacent lot in Franklin, Tenn., that she purchased in 2001 and 2002 for nearly $1.52 million that her father occupies.
– A 2,255-square-foot, single-family house in near west suburban Elmwood Park that she bought in 2001 for $298,000
It's obvious the woman can buy almost anything she wants.
Quote: pacomartinHere is a list of real estate purchased by Oprah (that was put together five years ago)
Thats 11 dwellings. I wonder how much value they lost since 2008? Has to be a lot. I knew a rich woman 20 years ago who had a bunch of franchise businesses and she owned 5 houses. 6 if you count the one in FL. She eventually sold all but one, she said none of them ever felt like home because she never spent much time in any of them.
Quote: pacomartinHere is a list of real estate purchased by Oprah (that was put together five years ago)
That's a fancy shack.
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Quote: zippyboyThat's exactly my point! The time to buy an antique is when you see that antique. Is she "overpays" for a Shaker bed at an auction, it's because she may never see another bed like that in her lifetime, and she can afford it. It's not like the exact same bed is available for 1/20 the price on every street corner like vodka.
Sorry, that's wrong.
Any carpenter can make you any furniture in any shape with any materials. So you can have that exact same bed made for 1/20 or less the price at auction. If you want the antique then you want more than just the bed. I'm not sure what those who buy antique furniture want, but the shape, size and feel of the piece is just one part of it.
As to genuine antiques themselves, the quantities available in the market do vary. It's true that no more are made, but collectors sometimes sell their colelctions, or they die and their heirs sell them, etc. Demand varies too. if a large collection gets sold, it's likely demand will be depressed for a few years thereafter.
Quote: zippyboyThat's exactly my point! The time to buy an antique is when you see that antique. Is she "overpays" for a Shaker bed at an auction, it's because she may never see another bed like that in her lifetime, and she can afford it. It's not like the exact same bed is available for 1/20 the price on every street corner like vodka.
My point too :)
Now funny as hell would be a 20/20 interview w Oprah and her house was decorated by Ikea.
Quote: rxwine
Maybe OK for a weekend home. I'm bidding on Huguette Clark's little apartment in NYC.
Quote: NareedQuote: zippyboyThat's exactly my point! The time to buy an antique is when you see that antique. Is she "overpays" for a Shaker bed at an auction, it's because she may never see another bed like that in her lifetime, and she can afford it. It's not like the exact same bed is available for 1/20 the price on every street corner like vodka.
Sorry, that's wrong.
Any carpenter can make you any furniture in any shape with any materials. So you can have that exact same bed made for 1/20 or less the price at auction. If you want the antique then you want more than just the bed. I'm not sure what those who buy antique furniture want, but the shape, size and feel of the piece is just one part of it.
Nareed: I DID say antique, did I not? Re-read, Nareed. Doesn't have to be furniture, can be art, casino chips, toothpaste tubes, whatever. A carpenter CANNOT make me an antique out of any materials at 1/20 the costs.
Quote: zippyboyNareed: I DID say antique, did I not? Re-read, Nareed. Doesn't have to be furniture, can be art, casino chips, toothpaste tubes, whatever. A carpenter CANNOT make me an antique out of any materials at 1/20 the costs.
Yes indeed. But I did address that in the second paragraph of my post.
Quote: EvenBobMaybe. I'm a huge Sinatra fan and have read probably 15 biographies of him over the years. I have everything he ever recorded. In all the books, a lot is written about Sammy, and he really hated being black, to the point that he didn't even want to hang out with other blacks. He was talented and ambitious and loved hanging out with Frank and Dean. He loved whites and rejected being seen with other blacks as much as he could.
You could be correct, I have read more about Sammy from general Vegas stuff than a bio on him or Frank, Dean, etc. I have to wonder on the reasons he might have "hated being black." Did he think it made him look inferior or did he just hate the behavior/mentality of blacks klike say Redd Foxx?
Who wouldn't like hanging with Dean? Frank, OTOH, I haven't heard a great deal good about him having a friendly personality. They say the day he left the Sands was the happiest day for the employees there all year. Dean was known to be a wiseass but a (more than Frank) friendly one.
Quote: AZDuffmanI have to wonder on the reasons he might have "hated being black."
Who wouldn't like hanging with Dean? Frank, OTOH, I haven't heard a great deal good about him having a friendly personality.
Sammy was in show business when he was 3 years old and as a result, was around a lot of whites all the time and saw all the discrimination every day. He had a tough time in the army dealing with whites. He was so talented, he got sick of having to deal with his color all the time, it frustrated him.
Frank Sinatra was the best popular singer of the 20th century. He was also a gold plated jerk, but a fascinating one. He was short and uneducated and had a huge chip on his shoulder. He wore lifts, self educated himself, and reached incredible heights. He mistreated everybody, especially his friends. He would be very loyal until he got sick of you, then you'd never hear from him again. The only one he didn't eventually crap on was Deano. He idolized Dean, who was actually 3 years younger than him. Dean might be the coolest guy who ever lived. He was a dyed in the wool sociopath and had no real friends. He was quiet, and basically did whatever he wanted. The mob tried to own him and he told told them to F off. His wives never got close, he never let any of them in. Because he wouldn't tolerate any of Sinatra's bullshit, Frank adored him. Dean simply didn't care about anything but golf. He used people, but was so friendly and cool about it, nobody minded. That cool guy you saw on his TV show was really him, and he was really that cool. The only way he would do that show is if he never had to come in for rehearsals, and could shoot it all on Sunday, again with no rehearsals. People loved it and it was a huge hit. Because Dean was, well, cool...
lol, Paco you're always so cute with your lists and charts! :)Quote: pacomartinHere is a list of real estate purchased by Oprah (that was put together five years ago)
Wow, how do I get one of those???? I'm drooling!Quote: rxwine
My dear, lack of discipline is not always at the root of most people's weight problems. I've found out from my own experience it doesn't always have to do with discipline. Our current culture deems over-indulging as bad. That doesn't mean that it is.Quote: SOOPOOAs far as her weight, even with all the resources at her disposal, she does not have the discipline to keep it off.
Quote: HotBlondeMy dear, lack of discipline is not always at the root of most people's weight problems. I've found out from my own experience it doesn't always have to do with discipline.
Speaking for myself, discipline is only a part of it. But it is a very big part. The discipline to eat, say, an apple instead of a slice of cake, or even to eat nothing between meals. But my biggest problem is summoning the desire to work out <groan>
Quote:Our current culture deems over-indulging as bad. That doesn't mean that it is.
I'd say our current culture deems overindulgence as bad in the abstract. In practice portions are bigger than ever.
A common ploy in packaged foods is to lower the amount within rather than raising the price. This works for bulk products like jam or ground coffee, but often fails with things like candy bars and bags of chips or cookies. Not always, but often.
Quote: HotBlondeMy dear, lack of discipline is not always at the root of most people's weight problems. I've found out from my own experience it doesn't always have to do with discipline. Our current culture deems over-indulging as bad. That doesn't mean that it is.
The real funny part is have you ever heard anyone mention the weight of male millionaires.
Quote: Wavy70The real funny part is have you ever heard anyone mention the weight of male millionaires.
Not that I can recall. But to be fair Oprah made an issue of her weight in her show.
and I've heard a lot of mention of Trump's, er, uh, cranial capillary assitance device :P
