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December 17th, 2012 at 10:51:41 AM permalink
"Hard Eight (1996) with Phillip Baker Hall, John C. Reilly, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Samuel L. Jackson"

I enjoyed Hard Eight as an entertaining movie. The only thing I could not wrap my head around was that that Phillip Baker Hall played a smart gambler yet he played Keno. Of all the games to have him play, Keno. rediculous. Worst game in a casino. Obviously the writers could care less about odds.
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December 17th, 2012 at 11:15:45 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I enjoyed Hard Eight as an entertaining movie. The only thing I could not wrap my head around was that that Phillip Baker Hall played a smart gambler yet he played Keno. Of all the games to have him play, Keno. rediculous. Worst game in a casino. Obviously the writers could care less about odds.



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'willing suspension of disbelief' is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge



Betting the Hard 8 for big money might be worse, but Sydney is also heard to say the bet is a stupid one. Keno for small amounts is cheap per hour for a negative expectation game [it has never appealed to me].

These guys were supposed to be APs I think, they didnt seem to be hustling. To suspend my own disbelief, in order to enjoy the movie anyway, I had to blow both things off as anomalies and tell myself they were doing something unshown to make money.
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December 20th, 2012 at 10:27:28 PM permalink
my favorite gambling movie is Ocean's Eleven..............
such a awesome movie of the year 2011...
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January 3rd, 2013 at 2:54:03 AM permalink
Casino
The Hangover
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The Gambler
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January 3rd, 2013 at 5:15:59 AM permalink
I think it was to depict a need for constant action and if one is sitting at a table in the coffee shop... keno and interaction with a keno runner is easy to script. Also, he didn't play a "Smart" Gambler He played a gambler who was respected. Its not difficult to be smarter than some loser picked up so broke he can't afford a razor or a room but the essential difference is that Harry and Loser are each penny anti bettors making absurd bets such as keno or Hard Eight. Harry doesn't really have much more money, he just has more class.

Hustler... I remember the Thumbs scene and the double door being opened promptly at 8:00 for the arrival of Minnesota Fats. I remember that there was a Piper Laurie and she killed herself but I don't seem to ever remember either one of them as a part of the movie for some reason. Been a long, long time.
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January 3rd, 2013 at 6:45:21 AM permalink
No. No, no, no.

The betting is an allegory for his interaction with John and Clementine. He knows it is a long shot bet, with bad odds and a high payout if it hits. Just like he knows investing his time and emotion in the losers is probably going to turn out bad, but if it is successful it pays off big time.
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January 3rd, 2013 at 8:44:38 AM permalink
My alltime favorite Dr. Mabuse, The Gambler



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0013086/

A MUST see. Just great !!!


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April 2nd, 2018 at 12:10:16 PM permalink
The Runner - My buddy just told me about this movie. Looks pretty good. I can't believe I never heard of it. Doesnt look like anyone has discussed it on the thread either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiU194m5qbs
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April 2nd, 2018 at 6:18:40 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

The Runner - My buddy just told me about this movie. Looks pretty good. I can't believe I never heard of it. Doesnt look like anyone has discussed it on the thread either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiU194m5qbs



Weird... I've never heard of that movie, either. Probably didn't help the main actor is a nobody. But it also had Courtney Cox in pretty much the peak of her career, so who knows why it's so obscure. Wonder if it just went straight to video...
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April 2nd, 2018 at 6:37:24 PM permalink
I guess the movies that portray realistic aspects of gambling are good movies. There was a movie where a Dad threatened to kick his gambling addicted son out of the house if he continued gambling and the son still went ahead and did it. Also The House was realistic because the main characters opened up illegal gambling in their house because they were desperate to pay for their daughter's College tuition and did not have enough to send her to college.
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April 2nd, 2018 at 7:00:14 PM permalink
Vegas Vacation. Gotta love Papagiorgio
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April 2nd, 2018 at 7:20:32 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

My buddy

Ya, sure.

I haven't mentioned it on this thread because it wouldn't fit into a FAVORITE GAMBLING MOVIE category, but I have mentioned it on a few other threads a number of times.


I can't say that's it's a good movie, but it had a good BJ sense. Mainly because of the superstitions surrounding female Asian dealers and a desperate bet(You just have to see it to understand)

Even Hard 8 was not all that good of a movie, but it had some good stuff in it, especially the comp hustling via churning over coins( I laughed when I saw that part since I used to earn comps doing that when I first started out.)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 2nd, 2018 at 11:06:25 PM permalink
Seven Thieves, 1960. Great cast, quintessential casino heist movie.
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April 3rd, 2018 at 6:16:46 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Seven Thieves, 1960. Great cast, quintessential casino heist movie.



STOP IT ALREADY PLEASE

JUST BROUGHT ANOTHER BLURAY BECAUSE OF YOU!!!

SEVEN THIEVES.


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April 3rd, 2018 at 6:32:41 AM permalink
Five Against The House, 1955
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April 3rd, 2018 at 7:13:35 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Five Against The House, 1955



Oh really huh? Its like that?

Well i got that one so too late
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April 3rd, 2018 at 8:09:29 AM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

Vegas Vacation. Gotta love Papagiorgio



What's funny about that movie is he goes into that scam casino where they're playing War, and it's supposed to be a joke, but they actually play that for real in big casinos now.

In a few more years you'll be able to walk into Caesar's and play Rock Paper Scissors or Guess What Number I'm Thinking Of.
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June 8th, 2018 at 3:54:42 PM permalink
I just watched Think Like a Man. I thought it was a decent movie. I would not have liked it in a theater but sitting on the couch watching it for free was ok.
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June 8th, 2018 at 8:42:44 PM permalink
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I just watched Think Like a Man. I thought it was a decent movie. I would not have liked it in a theater but sitting on the couch watching it for free was ok.



That was a gambling movie? I thought it was Steve Harvey rom-com?
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June 9th, 2018 at 4:40:09 AM permalink
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That was a gambling movie? I thought it was Steve Harvey rom-com?



I guess it is not really a gambling movie but there was a bunch of gambling in it it was more of a Vegas movie
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November 20th, 2018 at 12:26:53 PM permalink
didn't know about this one until just now. liked the trailer. got 4 stars on Amazon. will watch it soon.
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November 20th, 2018 at 1:43:22 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Five Against The House, 1955



I believe that 5 Against the House was the earliest casino heist movie ever made. I've never seen it but it supposedly has some footage they shot of Reno and Vegas circa 1954. I'd love to see it.
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November 20th, 2018 at 2:38:39 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I believe that 5 Against the House was the earliest casino heist movie ever made. I've never seen it but it supposedly has some footage they shot of Reno and Vegas circa 1954. I'd love to see it.



you can watch it free at this link:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1yeyir
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May 10th, 2019 at 9:50:11 AM permalink
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didn't know about this one until just now. liked the trailer. got 4 stars on Amazon. will watch it soon.



Just downloaded this from Netflix for plane. Hope its good
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May 10th, 2019 at 9:51:56 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Quote: lilredrooster

didn't know about this one until just now. liked the trailer. got 4 stars on Amazon. will watch it soon.



Just downloaded this from Netflix for plane. Hope its good



The Hangover while not quite a gambling movie is definitely a Vegas movie
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May 10th, 2019 at 1:12:43 PM permalink
this is an old movie - 1987 - not exactly a gambling movie - but all about cons, and some are gambling cons
I believe it's an underrated movie and it's one of my favorites

David Mamet's directorial debut


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May 12th, 2019 at 1:40:13 PM permalink
I just can't shake this feeling that I've answered this question somewhere else.

I can only give Casino the #2 spot. All that stuff with Sharon Stone just turns me off and takes away from it but it does have the best single scene in any gambling movie: Two cheaters, a cattle prod, and a hammer. "You can have the money and the hammer, or you can get out but you can't have both." :-)

Taken as a whole, I've always liked The Cooler. I'm a tad surprised that nobody has mentioned it.
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May 12th, 2019 at 2:15:30 PM permalink
Not a gambling movie - but I am in the middle of watching the Misfits (1961) which is set in Reno. There is a short scene of slots play, and some shots of Reno and the surrounding area. Also, the last movie for both Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable.
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May 26th, 2019 at 4:56:49 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Not a gambling movie - but I am in the middle of watching the Misfits (1961) which is set in Reno.

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May 29th, 2019 at 1:08:40 AM permalink
Ocean's Eleven i guess it's one of the BEST. There is everything
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June 19th, 2019 at 2:57:13 PM permalink
I watched the Hustler for the first time in like 25 years (damn I'm old).

It was very good, though slow in spots.

Paul Neuman's Fast Eddy is one of the most despicable protagonists I can think of. Not that it makes it a bad film. You can make a good movie about jerks. But it's a bit odd, in that Minnesota Fats is the good guy IMO. Neuman is an arrogant drunkard. Abuses his girl. Stabs his long time partner in the back. Seems completely empty inside.

One scene that stands out is the first match. Neuman is doing well and clearly has more ability than Fats. After something like 20 hours of play though, Neuman is drunk and disoriented. Fats has held his liquor. Fats takes a short break. Washes himself up and regroups. Then he wins back all that he lost and takes most of Neuman's roll. It was a really great demonstration of what it means to be a professional.
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June 19th, 2019 at 3:58:47 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I watched the Hustler for the first time in like 25 years (damn I'm old).

It was very good, though slow in spots.

Paul Neuman's Fast Eddy is one of the most despicable protagonists I can think of. Not that it makes it a bad film. You can make a good movie about jerks. But it's a bit odd, in that Minnesota Fats is the good guy IMO. Neuman is an arrogant drunkard. Abuses his girl. Stabs his long time partner in the back. Seems completely empty inside.

One scene that stands out is the first match. Neuman is doing well and clearly has more ability than Fats. After something like 20 hours of play though, Neuman is drunk and disoriented. Fats has held his liquor. Fats takes a short break. Washes himself up and regroups. Then he wins back all that he lost and takes most of Neuman's roll. It was a really great demonstration of what it means to be a professional.



Love this opening scene narration from part 2 "The color of Money"

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June 19th, 2019 at 5:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I watched the Hustler for the first time in like 25 years (damn I'm old).

It was very good, though slow in spots.

Paul Neuman's Fast Eddy is one of the most despicable protagonists I can think of. Not that it makes it a bad film. You can make a good movie about jerks. But it's a bit odd, in that Minnesota Fats is the good guy IMO. Neuman is an arrogant drunkard. Abuses his girl. Stabs his long time partner in the back. Seems completely empty inside.

One scene that stands out is the first match. Neuman is doing well and clearly has more ability than Fats. After something like 20 hours of play though, Neuman is drunk and disoriented. Fats has held his liquor. Fats takes a short break. Washes himself up and regroups. Then he wins back all that he lost and takes most of Neuman's roll. It was a really great demonstration of what it means to be a professional.



I think that was the point. To show a character who is immoral, willing to hustle people out of their money.
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June 19th, 2019 at 7:42:15 PM permalink
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I think that was the point. To show a character who is immoral, willing to hustle people out of their money.



Yeah, but he's a pretty big scumbag all around.

However, this made me think of the first scene. In that scene they are hustling a local pool hall. The entire hustle depends upon someone trying to take advantage of him when he is drunk out of his senses and bleeding money.

Anybody who felt uncomfortable taking a large amount of money from a drunk guy who didn't know what he was doing would be un-hustle-able in that scam.

I think this was probably a deliberate, ethical decision. Like Omar robbing drug dealers. Or why APs feel comfortable beating up predatory casinos. You have to decide to play dirty against him, then he pounds you.

Maybe this was the influence of his partner/father figure, who he later discarded.

I'd kind of like to read the book.
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June 19th, 2019 at 8:08:24 PM permalink
Everyone here should watch the blackjack scene in The Runner.

And the scene in Hard eight where he is teaching the kid hoe to get "free" rooms and comps at the casino.

I seen it after I started doing that for free food. I didn't play at all and didn't care about any free rooms. I didn't really care about the free food either I just did it because it was kinda fun.
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June 20th, 2019 at 2:05:37 AM permalink
I have some- Casino (1995) is my favourite.
If to choose from more modern ones I love '21', 'Mississippi Grand'.
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June 20th, 2019 at 7:19:27 AM permalink
Both Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddie were professionals. One just had class that's all.
Hard Eight? Professional hitman, but not really a professional gambler.
'21' ... Too "Hollywooded"
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June 20th, 2019 at 7:26:48 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I watched the Hustler for the first time in like 25 years (damn I'm old).

It was very good, though slow in spots.

Paul Neuman's Fast Eddy is one of the most despicable protagonists I can think of. Not that it makes it a bad film. You can make a good movie about jerks. But it's a bit odd, in that Minnesota Fats is the good guy IMO. Neuman is an arrogant drunkard. Abuses his girl. Stabs his long time partner in the back. Seems completely empty inside.

One scene that stands out is the first match. Neuman is doing well and clearly has more ability than Fats. After something like 20 hours of play though, Neuman is drunk and disoriented. Fats has held his liquor. Fats takes a short break. Washes himself up and regroups. Then he wins back all that he lost and takes most of Neuman's roll. It was a really great demonstration of what it means to be a professional.



I have a couple of friends that hang out at my local bar that will play pool for over 24 hours straight regularly. They are decent players but they both drink the whole time. Recently I walked into the bar on a Sunday morning and they were still there from Friday night. Both were sloshed beyond belief and one of them had stripped down to his boxer shorts and was still playing.
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June 20th, 2019 at 7:44:25 AM permalink
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Both Minnesota Fats and Fast Eddie were professionals. One just had class that's all.
Hard Eight? Professional hitman, but not really a professional gambler.


I laughed when the sharp was playing keno
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'21' ... Too "Hollywooded"



Yea, the BJ teams were mostly Asian in reality
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September 24th, 2019 at 10:23:30 PM permalink
My favorite is The Color of Money.
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September 25th, 2019 at 8:15:41 AM permalink
everyone knows Mike / Wizard fav gambling movie is 21 😃
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September 25th, 2019 at 8:51:40 AM permalink
I started watching Hard Eight. Couldn't even finish it. Just a bad 90's movie. Does it get any better after
they handcuff that john in the hotel room and beat him up?


I also watched that Inside the Edge documentary. Kind of interesting to see that life, and all the hidden camera footage he got.
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I recently re-watched The Cincinnati Kid starring Steve McQueen, Edward G. Robinson, Ann Margaret, Tuesday Weld and lots of great character actors. I really liked it on second viewing. The version of poker they play: "5-card Draw, Jacks or Better" is a boring game in real life and so the incidence of great hands they are dealt is very unrealistic - but otherwise it is a compelling picture of the gambling scene and the way that private poker games used to be.
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September 25th, 2019 at 10:25:35 AM permalink
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"5-card Draw, Jacks or Better" is a boring game in real life



Jacks or better, yeah. That's a stupid rule. But I've always thought 5 card draw in general was a much faster and more exciting game than the snoozefest that is Texas hold 'em.
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September 25th, 2019 at 10:43:45 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I started watching Hard Eight. Couldn't even finish it. Just a bad 90's movie. Does it get any better after

they handcuff that john in the hotel room and beat him up?


I also watched that Inside the Edge documentary. Kind of interesting to see that life, and all the hidden camera footage he got.



I liked it enough, but i’m not thinking about watching it again. It isn’t really a gambling movie. Gambling is the setting, but the movie is about the people, and the people are all pretty hard to like.
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September 25th, 2019 at 12:11:44 PM permalink
There's also the Top Five Las Vegas Movies thread.
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September 25th, 2019 at 12:16:48 PM permalink
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Jacks or better, yeah. That's a stupid rule. But I've always thought 5 card draw in general was a much faster and more exciting game than the snoozefest that is Texas hold 'em.



In episodes of M*A*S*H, they would call "Jacks or better" in their poker games. Electronic Arts' "Power Poker" for Windows 95 has that game, so I played it with the show in mind—and it's numbingly dull. Most hands fold, and when there's action either everyone folds to the first person to bet or it's a crapshoot to see who has the better hand.
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September 25th, 2019 at 1:57:21 PM permalink
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Ann Margaret, Tuesday Weld and lots of great character actors.

I would watch a soap commercial if it featured Ann Margaret or Tuesday Weld.
I think Steve Mcqueen's best role was in Ibsen's Enemy of the People. The action took place in a locale and time wherein all men wore full beards so many viewers never recognized Steve McQueen as the star.
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October 5th, 2019 at 2:45:23 PM permalink
Casino is my the best movie ever
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January 21st, 2020 at 10:13:33 AM permalink
new gambling movie just hit theatres - IMDB gave it an 8.0 out of 10 rating - that's about as high a rating as I've ever seen them give


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