2020 Election
Quote: rxwineIf the budget was anywhere closed to balanced that might be true..
The size of the deficit does not matter.
Handouts are giving someone something they did not have.
Lets try a good example. Say you are at Circus Circus! and ignore the advice of everybody and decide to walk to the Gold and Silver Pawn Shop at about midnight. On the way, two guys mug you at gunpoint. You have $200 but they decide to let you keep $10 for a Duece ticket to get back.
Did they "give you something?"
All a tax cut can be considered is the government decides not to steal as much from you as they were going to before.
Are the contractors, "friends of DJT" ?
Quote: AZDuffman
Handouts are giving someone something they did not have.
Like I said, I am right, and you are wrong.
Quote: TomG-Pay every American a Universal Basic Income and include this is part of our deficit spending.
Guaranteed income is a foolish idea that will only make the rich, richer, and the poor, poorer.
In 2009, the average tuition for private colleges and universities was $25,143.
Then, Obama took over student loans in 2010, and the amount of money in the pool available for college loans increased.
College administrators aren’t stupid. They took advantage of the program and raised tuition to get all of that money. Today, the average cost of tuition for private colleges has nearly doubled to $46,950, and student debt is $1.5 trillion.
How are these people going to save for homes, plan families, and save for retirement with that kind of debt?
Any federal guaranteed income program will have a similar inflationary effect on the cost of living for every American.
We might also end up with a lot more dead junkies.
Quote: Tanko
We might also end up with a lot more dead junkies.
So long as there’s not a proportionate increase in number of live junkies, sounds like progress to me.
Quote: AZDuffmanTotally am for Trump. He cares about people like me.
lol, he cares for you the same he cared for these folks
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
Quote: AZDuffmanThe bills for Obamacare have to be paid.
Totally am for Trump. He cares about people like me.
There is no reason a straight white christian male should even consider a (D.) Even if you are 2/4 in that list voting (D) is voting against your self interest. In a $20 trillion economy a deficit of about $600 billion is normal and acceptable. Not happy with above that but not much I can do. It is better than the GND, medicare-for-all, and handouts-for-all that is coming from the other side. Best hope is it all holds together for 20 or so more years, after which I will likely be dead and the next generation can deal with it all.
Because being a real American is about getting what is yours and screw the rest. Maybe we should double our spending and plan on being dead in ten years.
Quote: TomGThe money can come from the same exact places that Trump's current trillion dollar deficit spending is coming from.
How much has Trump added to the debt?
Mandatory and discretionary spending, are the two components of the Federal spending.
Annual Discretionary spending under Trump is only an average of $40 billion higher than it was under Obama in 2016. Most of that increase, is for military spending. A total increase of $321 billion in discretionary spending from 2017-19. That’s all Trump will have added to the debt in three years. It would have been less if congress didn't ignore his proposed cuts.
Tax revenues over that same period are up slightly.
The rest of the more than $2.55 trillion in deficit spending for 2017-19, will have come from mandatory spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and interest on the debt.
Where would you suggest cutting spending?
Quote: Tanko
Where would you suggest cutting spending?
Military
They pretty much waste a gazillion dollars on absurd toys.
Take tanks. Obsolete.
Quote: billryanBecause being a real American is about getting what is yours and screw the rest. Maybe we should double our spending and plan on being dead in ten years.
Seems to be the plan of Bernie, AOC, and others on the left.
Quote: TankoHow much has Trump added to the debt?
I like to start counting with 2018, because 17 was Obama's budget with Trump as president. Which means he has added $1.5 trillion in 16 months. First four months of this year have been a lot better than last year. Better than Obama's first term, worse than his second, overall pretty close -- and following closely what Obama did with the economy is what will help Trump be reelected.
Quote: TomGI like to start counting with 2018, because 17 was Obama's budget with Trump as president. Which means he has added $1.5 trillion in 16 months.
How did Trump add $1.5 trillion to the debt in 16 months?
Between 2018 and 2019, Trump spent an average of $59 billion more per year on discretionary spending than Obama did in 2016.
Discretionary spending under Trump, only added 0.05% to the debt over two years.
The rest of the $2.55 trillion in debt, or 99.95% of the debt, accumulated from 2017 through 2019 was added by mandatory spending programs, which consume a larger percentage of federal spending with each passing year.
"Mandatory spending will increase 77.7 percent from current levels by 2028, and grow from consuming 61.5 percent of the federal budget to consuming 64.2 percent of the federal budget. Interest on the national debt will increase a whopping 189.6 percent (nearly tripling) from current levels, and grow from consuming 7.6 percent of the federal budget to consuming 13% of the federal budget."
mouth, extreme whacko Socialism
comes popping out.
"Mayor Pete Buttigieg wants the country to take climate change seriously, proposing a nationwide carbon tax to help reduce emissions. He estimated that the federal government would have to spend as much as $10 billion to help develop solutions for climate change."
People love to elect candidates who
promise they'll tax them to death for
no good reason.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?459822-1/mayor-pete-buttigieg-addresses-asian-latino-coalition-des-moines-iowa
telling America what it mostly wants
to hear:
"I’m from Indiana, I’m gay as a — I don’t know, think of something really gay — that’s how gay I am,” he said in an interview with TMZ’s Harvey Levin.
Give us the details, Mr ButtCrack, just
how Gay are you. What does 'really Gay'
mean. If I were to use those words I'd
be accused of homophobia.
telling America what it mostly wants
to hear:
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pu**y. You can do anything,” he said in a conversation with Access Hollywood's Billy Bush.
Give us the details, Mr Drumpf, just
how criminal are you. What does 'grab them by the pu**y'
mean. If I were to use those words I'd
be accused of sexual assault.
You make this too easy, EB. I'm getting bored.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
Quote: beachbumbabsSpeaking of Trump quotes, pick the actual quote from the choices below.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
Trump was wrong again. 2 year investigation and he isn't f....d. Of course he isn't exonerated. That could never happen whether he is guilty or innocent. All that occurred is that they couldn't reach the high bar of proving a crime.
But he is vindicated I would say. Better word to describe having the investigation not find anything that sticks to him. I wonder if an objective observer would say the Mueller I investigation is a success or failure. All the non Truump indictments and convictions seem petty when you can't naiil the big Kahuna. I would say failure, but I'm not strong in my convictions.
Quote: SOOPOOI wonder if an objective observer would say the Mueller I investigation is a success or failure..
It is a Monumental failure. Their one and
only goal was to find dirt on Trump so he
could be kicked out of office. They failed
miserably. Their goal was certainly not to
find Trump guilty of nothing, which they did.
Quote: beachbumbabsSpeaking of Trump quotes, pick the actual quote from the choices below.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
This is the wrongest thing I've read. I'm actually embarrassed that you came to the conclusion without any conetext.
Quote: SOOPOOI wonder if an objective observer would say the Mueller I investigation is a success or failure.
They went in for Russians and came out with another half dozen ongoing investigations most of which we don't know anything about.
Depends on what you guess is going on.
Quote: rxwineThey went in for Russians and came out with another half dozen ongoing investigations most of which we don't know anything about.
Depends on what you guess is going on.
I'll have to disagree with your statement "They went in for Russians". Gotta agree with Bob; they went in for Trump. They unearthed enough dirt to embarrass him but not convict him or even charge him with anything. Lie detector on I believe majority of Dems would say it's a failure.
Quote: SOOPOOI'll have to disagree with your statement "They went in for Russians". Gotta agree with Bob; they went in for Trump. They unearthed enough dirt to embarrass him but not convict him or even charge him with anything. Lie detector on I believe majority of Dems would say it's a failure.
I'll have to look for my post, but I said way back that such an investigation could lead to discovering other illegalities. Until they close down all the things that sprung up from this investigation we won't know. If you are a criminal, even a simple traffic stop can lead to all sorts of discoveries.
Let's check: shameless
Quote:https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shameless
Definition of shameless. 1 : having no shame : insensible to disgrace a shameless braggart.
Yes, absolute perfect fit.
Quote: djatcQuote: beachbumbabsSpeaking of Trump quotes, pick the actual quote from the choices below.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
This is the wrongest thing I've read. I'm actually embarrassed that you came to the conclusion without any conetext.
I had plenty of context. I'm reading the report. You should try it.
Quote: beachbumbabsI had plenty of context. I'm reading the report. You should try it.
You forgot the following part, sentence(?) 508. The line you're quoting (504) is in the same paragraph.
"The President returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, 'Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.'508"
Quote: beachbumbabsSpeaking of Trump quotes, pick the actual quote from the choices below.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
Because normal people guilty of nothing just love and welcome a government investigation?
Are you serious?
Any normal person would be upset over being investigated.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: beachbumbabsSpeaking of Trump quotes, pick the actual quote from the choices below.
Situation : Trump is told Mueller has been retained as a Special Prosecutor to investigate Russian interference during the 2016 campaign.
Responding to: AG Sessions, who was just told by DAG Rosenstein.
Witnesses: Hunt (transcriber) and Don McGahn (WHC).
Source: Mueller report.
A. "Glad to hear it! I welcome any investigation that will clear my name."
B. "Oh, my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f♡@&ed."
Answer: B.
And if that's not complete guilt and panic, I don't know what could be. The stalling, spinning, lying all came after that first guilty reaction.
Because normal people guilty of nothing just love and welcome a government investigation?
Are you serious?
Any normal person would be upset over being investigated.
You're ignoring that this had been an issue for months at this point. Trump had asked Comey at least 4 times they documented whether he was personally being investigated. Each time Comey had said no, Trump himself was not. That was the truth.
Trump was not being investigated until he fired Comey and said a day or two later it was because of the Russia investigation. On tape with Lester Holt. In direct opposition to what his flacks had said his reasons were. THAT is the context that matters leading up to that conversation. Not his realization of what his first outburst meant (in front of witnesses) and then trying to cover his tracks later. McGahn was there.
Quote: AxelWolfEXONERATED!
This is likely wasted on you, because you're just trying to trigger me, but people who are actually listening might find this worth hearing:
Excerpt from WaPo analysis of Mueller report - these are confirmed points to consider.
By Paul Waldman
Opinion writer
April 19
.....
There are some things that were matters of dispute or insufficiently documented before, but are no longer in question. Let’s run through them:
Vladimir Putin very much wanted Trump to become president of the United States, and undertook a comprehensive campaign to make sure it happened. At this point, Trump might be the only person left in America who disagrees with this fact — or pretends to, anyway — but Mueller’s report makes it irrefutable.
Trump, his family and his campaign may not have set up a criminal conspiracy to cooperate with Russia, but they were eager to accept the help. This, too, was widely known, but Mueller provides exhaustive detail on just how enthusiastic Trump and those around him were about Russia’s interference in the election: There were not just extensive contacts with Russians they hoped would help them; they also gleefully welcomed Russia’s cybertheft from Democrats. As the Lawfare team puts it, the best that can be said of them is that “the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other side’s intention.”
The president’s attempts to obstruct justice were comprehensive and far-reaching. Mueller’s report documents in extensive detail the actions Trump took to subvert the investigation, including urging officials to pressure the FBI, trying to fire the special counsel and lying to the public. We can argue about the degree to which Trump could be held legally accountable or whether the intervention of his aides (or more often, their refusal to act) kept those actions from crossing the line into criminality. But there is no longer any question that Trump attempted to obstruct justice.
Everyone around the president, and the president himself, acted as though they had something to hide on Russia. Donald Trump Jr. lied about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the outreach from Russia that began the investigation. Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Michael Cohen lied to Congress about the effort to secure Trump a multimillion-dollar deal to build a tower in Moscow. Paul Manafort lied about his relationship to the likely Russian intelligence asset to whom he passed polling data. Roger Stone allegedly lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks. President Trump lied seemingly every time Russia came up. If they were all innocent, they certainly weren’t acting like it.
Trump regularly instructs aides to lie to the public. Trump told Rod Rosenstein to claim that firing James Comey was his idea. Rosenstein refused, but Sean Spicer later told the lie to the press. Trump dictated a false statement to Hope Hicks for Trump Jr. to release about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He instructed Donald McGahn to arrange for Mueller to be fired, then when the news got out, told McGahn to publicly deny it. He told Reince Priebus to tell K.T. McFarland to write a false email claiming that Trump never spoke to Flynn about Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. If you’re having trouble following all this, that’s okay — the point is that Trump regularly ordered his aides to lie; sometimes they complied, and sometimes they didn’t.
There are also doubtless times when Trump aides lie on their own initiative, within a White House culture in which lying is just what everyone does. Sarah Sanders claimed that “countless” FBI agents contacted the White House to express support for the firing of Comey; she admitted to investigators that this was false (though she now claims it was a “slip of the tongue,” another obvious lie).
Nearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true. While news outlets might have made the occasional mistake (as they do on any story), over and over again important revelations were greeted by the president with the cry of “Fake news!”, only to be corroborated by the Mueller report. For instance, Trump claimed that reports that he had shooed other officials from the room so that he could speak to Comey about Flynn were fake; Mueller concludes that the known facts "support Comey’s description of the event.” Trump called reports that he ordered Mueller’s firing fake; these are extensively documented in the report.
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Quote: beachbumbabsThis is likely wasted on you, because you're just trying to trigger me, but people who are actually listening might find this worth hearing:
Excerpt from WaPo analysis of Mueller report - these are confirmed points to consider.
By Paul Waldman
Opinion writer
April 19
.....
There are some things that were matters of dispute or insufficiently documented before, but are no longer in question. Let’s run through them:
Vladimir Putin very much wanted Trump to become president of the United States, and undertook a comprehensive campaign to make sure it happened. At this point, Trump might be the only person left in America who disagrees with this fact — or pretends to, anyway — but Mueller’s report makes it irrefutable.
Trump, his family and his campaign may not have set up a criminal conspiracy to cooperate with Russia, but they were eager to accept the help. This, too, was widely known, but Mueller provides exhaustive detail on just how enthusiastic Trump and those around him were about Russia’s interference in the election: There were not just extensive contacts with Russians they hoped would help them; they also gleefully welcomed Russia’s cybertheft from Democrats. As the Lawfare team puts it, the best that can be said of them is that “the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other side’s intention.”
The president’s attempts to obstruct justice were comprehensive and far-reaching. Mueller’s report documents in extensive detail the actions Trump took to subvert the investigation, including urging officials to pressure the FBI, trying to fire the special counsel and lying to the public. We can argue about the degree to which Trump could be held legally accountable or whether the intervention of his aides (or more often, their refusal to act) kept those actions from crossing the line into criminality. But there is no longer any question that Trump attempted to obstruct justice.
Everyone around the president, and the president himself, acted as though they had something to hide on Russia. Donald Trump Jr. lied about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the outreach from Russia that began the investigation. Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Michael Cohen lied to Congress about the effort to secure Trump a multimillion-dollar deal to build a tower in Moscow. Paul Manafort lied about his relationship to the likely Russian intelligence asset to whom he passed polling data. Roger Stone allegedly lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks. President Trump lied seemingly every time Russia came up. If they were all innocent, they certainly weren’t acting like it.
Trump regularly instructs aides to lie to the public. Trump told Rod Rosenstein to claim that firing James Comey was his idea. Rosenstein refused, but Sean Spicer later told the lie to the press. Trump dictated a false statement to Hope Hicks for Trump Jr. to release about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He instructed Donald McGahn to arrange for Mueller to be fired, then when the news got out, told McGahn to publicly deny it. He told Reince Priebus to tell K.T. McFarland to write a false email claiming that Trump never spoke to Flynn about Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. If you’re having trouble following all this, that’s okay — the point is that Trump regularly ordered his aides to lie; sometimes they complied, and sometimes they didn’t.
There are also doubtless times when Trump aides lie on their own initiative, within a White House culture in which lying is just what everyone does. Sarah Sanders claimed that “countless” FBI agents contacted the White House to express support for the firing of Comey; she admitted to investigators that this was false (though she now claims it was a “slip of the tongue,” another obvious lie).
Nearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true. While news outlets might have made the occasional mistake (as they do on any story), over and over again important revelations were greeted by the president with the cry of “Fake news!”, only to be corroborated by the Mueller report. For instance, Trump claimed that reports that he had shooed other officials from the room so that he could speak to Comey about Flynn were fake; Mueller concludes that the known facts "support Comey’s description of the event.” Trump called reports that he ordered Mueller’s firing fake; these are extensively documented in the report.
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Sounds like Russia knew what was good for for the USA. I think Kim Jong Un supported Hillary. Should we charge her for something? Give it a rest already and accept the determinations of those that wasted $30 million on an investigation based on false allegations, from the side you are incredibly still supporting.
I think even Bob has made a post like this all around 100 times over the last few months! Now I found a real person who would vote for Trump despite not liking him at all. If the Democrats werent so far removed from reality of helping hard-working Americans they could beat Trump. But they are falling off a cliff that is so far left of how most Americans think
Quote: SOOPOOBut they are falling off a cliff that is so far left of how most Americans think
It's McGovern and Dukakis all over again.
They really can't help themselves. They
want free everything so badly so they
can sit around and smoke dope all day.
Thank god 90% of Americans have a
different view.
Quote: EvenBobIt's McGovern and Dukakis all over again.
They really can't help themselves. They
want free everything so badly so they
can sit around and smoke dope all day.
Thank god 90% of Americans have a
different view.
You missed listening to God Damn Beatles Albums.
Quote: SOOPOO
I think even Bob has made a post like this all around 100 times over the last few months! Now I found a real person who would vote for Trump despite not liking him at all. If the Democrats werent so far removed from reality of helping hard-working Americans they could beat Trump. But they are falling off a cliff that is so far left of how most Americans think
Dick Morris called it days after the election. It is not just the USA, either. Liberals lose and election like they lost to Trump they go cuckoo far left. They think the problem is they were not far left enough. They lose it. What makes it worse now is the purge of elected Democrats in the Obama years, for the most part only the ones in the most left, safe areas were spared. Unlike in 1976, 1984, and 1988, there are not that many centrists even available.
Quote: EvenBobIt's McGovern and Dukakis all over again.
They really can't help themselves. They
want free everything so badly so they
can sit around and smoke dope all day.
Thank god 90% of Americans have a
different view.
I mean a world where I don't have to work, get free healthcare, and do hoodrat stuff all day sounds kinda tempting. Maybe we can get together and listen to some rap songs and roll a joint
Quote: MaxPenQuote: beachbumbabsThis is likely wasted on you, because you're just trying to trigger me, but people who are actually listening might find this worth hearing:
Excerpt from WaPo analysis of Mueller report - these are confirmed points to consider.
By Paul Waldman
Opinion writer
April 19
.....
There are some things that were matters of dispute or insufficiently documented before, but are no longer in question. Let’s run through them:
Vladimir Putin very much wanted Trump to become president of the United States, and undertook a comprehensive campaign to make sure it happened. At this point, Trump might be the only person left in America who disagrees with this fact — or pretends to, anyway — but Mueller’s report makes it irrefutable.
Trump, his family and his campaign may not have set up a criminal conspiracy to cooperate with Russia, but they were eager to accept the help. This, too, was widely known, but Mueller provides exhaustive detail on just how enthusiastic Trump and those around him were about Russia’s interference in the election: There were not just extensive contacts with Russians they hoped would help them; they also gleefully welcomed Russia’s cybertheft from Democrats. As the Lawfare team puts it, the best that can be said of them is that “the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other side’s intention.”
The president’s attempts to obstruct justice were comprehensive and far-reaching. Mueller’s report documents in extensive detail the actions Trump took to subvert the investigation, including urging officials to pressure the FBI, trying to fire the special counsel and lying to the public. We can argue about the degree to which Trump could be held legally accountable or whether the intervention of his aides (or more often, their refusal to act) kept those actions from crossing the line into criminality. But there is no longer any question that Trump attempted to obstruct justice.
Everyone around the president, and the president himself, acted as though they had something to hide on Russia. Donald Trump Jr. lied about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the outreach from Russia that began the investigation. Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Michael Cohen lied to Congress about the effort to secure Trump a multimillion-dollar deal to build a tower in Moscow. Paul Manafort lied about his relationship to the likely Russian intelligence asset to whom he passed polling data. Roger Stone allegedly lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks. President Trump lied seemingly every time Russia came up. If they were all innocent, they certainly weren’t acting like it.
Trump regularly instructs aides to lie to the public. Trump told Rod Rosenstein to claim that firing James Comey was his idea. Rosenstein refused, but Sean Spicer later told the lie to the press. Trump dictated a false statement to Hope Hicks for Trump Jr. to release about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He instructed Donald McGahn to arrange for Mueller to be fired, then when the news got out, told McGahn to publicly deny it. He told Reince Priebus to tell K.T. McFarland to write a false email claiming that Trump never spoke to Flynn about Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. If you’re having trouble following all this, that’s okay — the point is that Trump regularly ordered his aides to lie; sometimes they complied, and sometimes they didn’t.
There are also doubtless times when Trump aides lie on their own initiative, within a White House culture in which lying is just what everyone does. Sarah Sanders claimed that “countless” FBI agents contacted the White House to express support for the firing of Comey; she admitted to investigators that this was false (though she now claims it was a “slip of the tongue,” another obvious lie).
Nearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true. While news outlets might have made the occasional mistake (as they do on any story), over and over again important revelations were greeted by the president with the cry of “Fake news!”, only to be corroborated by the Mueller report. For instance, Trump claimed that reports that he had shooed other officials from the room so that he could speak to Comey about Flynn were fake; Mueller concludes that the known facts "support Comey’s description of the event.” Trump called reports that he ordered Mueller’s firing fake; these are extensively documented in the report.
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Sounds like Russia knew what was good for for the USA. I think Kim Jong Un supported Hillary. Should we charge her for something? Give it a rest already and accept the determinations of those that wasted $30 million on an investigation based on false allegations, from the side you are incredibly still supporting.
I would say the same of you, word-for-word. There were no false allegations. They are documented and sworn to by numerous people involved. You're in complete denial of what was actually reported, which was Barr's intent in spinning it and withholding the report for weeks to let it settle in. In other words, you're being used. Time to give up defending crooks, liars, and con men and think of your country instead.
Quote: SOOPOOGetting back to the 2020 election.... My brother-in-law believes Donald Trump can do many stupid things. He thinks he makes a fool of himself many times. He just told me he considers the new Democratic plans to tax unrealized gains so egregious that he would have to vote for an idiot like Donald Trump before any sort of normal Democrat who supports that. He said they are so out of touch with reality of small businesses and small investors that have saved up over their life times that the idiot is better than the Democrats.
I think even Bob has made a post like this all around 100 times over the last few months! Now I found a real person who would vote for Trump despite not liking him at all. If the Democrats werent so far removed from reality of helping hard-working Americans they could beat Trump. But they are falling off a cliff that is so far left of how most Americans think
Not all of the Democrats are over there. Amy Klobuchar is not. Buttigieg is further left than her, but not signing up for nonsense like UBI or Bernie BS. Harris is further left, but still has some sense. Biden isn't extreme left, but he's a little too far over there. I don't know where to put Warren, really. She's a crusader, but not really a socialist. Think she's left of Biden, but right of the others below.
The out-there wing of Sanders-Booker-Beto-Gillibrand-etc. is hopeless, and if they prevail in the primaries, I would expect a third-party challenge from someone serious like Bloomberg. Which opens the door for Trump as the incumbent. Though he's far from the lesser of those 2 or 3 evils. He's the destroyer, and they have GOT to get their act together and get him out of there.
Looks like its working.Quote: beachbumbabsThis is likely wasted on you, because you're just trying to trigger me
We like Trump because he says it like it is and doesn't share power with groups that don't deserve it.
Quote: SOOPOONow I found a real person who would vote for Trump despite not liking him at all. If the Democrats werent so far removed from reality of helping hard-working Americans they could beat Trump. But they are falling off a cliff that is so far left of how most Americans think
Well, since I think Trump will show even more hubris in a second term and listen even less to competent advice, getting rid of him is important to me. But I can do little to nothing to alter the field of candidates even if I wanted to do so. Got any better ideas?
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: MaxPenQuote: beachbumbabsThis is likely wasted on you, because you're just trying to trigger me, but people who are actually listening might find this worth hearing:
Excerpt from WaPo analysis of Mueller report - these are confirmed points to consider.
By Paul Waldman
Opinion writer
April 19
.....
There are some things that were matters of dispute or insufficiently documented before, but are no longer in question. Let’s run through them:
Vladimir Putin very much wanted Trump to become president of the United States, and undertook a comprehensive campaign to make sure it happened. At this point, Trump might be the only person left in America who disagrees with this fact — or pretends to, anyway — but Mueller’s report makes it irrefutable.
Trump, his family and his campaign may not have set up a criminal conspiracy to cooperate with Russia, but they were eager to accept the help. This, too, was widely known, but Mueller provides exhaustive detail on just how enthusiastic Trump and those around him were about Russia’s interference in the election: There were not just extensive contacts with Russians they hoped would help them; they also gleefully welcomed Russia’s cybertheft from Democrats. As the Lawfare team puts it, the best that can be said of them is that “the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other side’s intention.”
The president’s attempts to obstruct justice were comprehensive and far-reaching. Mueller’s report documents in extensive detail the actions Trump took to subvert the investigation, including urging officials to pressure the FBI, trying to fire the special counsel and lying to the public. We can argue about the degree to which Trump could be held legally accountable or whether the intervention of his aides (or more often, their refusal to act) kept those actions from crossing the line into criminality. But there is no longer any question that Trump attempted to obstruct justice.
Everyone around the president, and the president himself, acted as though they had something to hide on Russia. Donald Trump Jr. lied about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the outreach from Russia that began the investigation. Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Michael Cohen lied to Congress about the effort to secure Trump a multimillion-dollar deal to build a tower in Moscow. Paul Manafort lied about his relationship to the likely Russian intelligence asset to whom he passed polling data. Roger Stone allegedly lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks. President Trump lied seemingly every time Russia came up. If they were all innocent, they certainly weren’t acting like it.
Trump regularly instructs aides to lie to the public. Trump told Rod Rosenstein to claim that firing James Comey was his idea. Rosenstein refused, but Sean Spicer later told the lie to the press. Trump dictated a false statement to Hope Hicks for Trump Jr. to release about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He instructed Donald McGahn to arrange for Mueller to be fired, then when the news got out, told McGahn to publicly deny it. He told Reince Priebus to tell K.T. McFarland to write a false email claiming that Trump never spoke to Flynn about Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. If you’re having trouble following all this, that’s okay — the point is that Trump regularly ordered his aides to lie; sometimes they complied, and sometimes they didn’t.
There are also doubtless times when Trump aides lie on their own initiative, within a White House culture in which lying is just what everyone does. Sarah Sanders claimed that “countless” FBI agents contacted the White House to express support for the firing of Comey; she admitted to investigators that this was false (though she now claims it was a “slip of the tongue,” another obvious lie).
Nearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true. While news outlets might have made the occasional mistake (as they do on any story), over and over again important revelations were greeted by the president with the cry of “Fake news!”, only to be corroborated by the Mueller report. For instance, Trump claimed that reports that he had shooed other officials from the room so that he could speak to Comey about Flynn were fake; Mueller concludes that the known facts "support Comey’s description of the event.” Trump called reports that he ordered Mueller’s firing fake; these are extensively documented in the report.
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Sounds like Russia knew what was good for for the USA. I think Kim Jong Un supported Hillary. Should we charge her for something? Give it a rest already and accept the determinations of those that wasted $30 million on an investigation based on false allegations, from the side you are incredibly still supporting.
I would say the same of you, word-for-word. There were no false allegations. They are documented and sworn to by numerous people involved. You're in complete denial of what was actually reported, which was Barr's intent in spinning it and withholding the report for weeks to let it settle in. In other words, you're being used. Time to give up defending crooks, liars, and con men and think of your country instead.
#METOO.....Classic
So why wouldn't Comey say that in public?Quote: beachbumbabsYou're ignoring that this had been an issue for months at this point. Trump had asked Comey at least 4 times they documented whether he was personally being investigated. Each time Comey had said no, Trump himself was not. That was the truth.
That is 100 percent inaccurate, as the Stzock and Page correspondence showed so clearly last year.Quote:Trump was not being investigated until he fired Comey. .; .
Quote: beachbumbabsNearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true.
Maybe you mean just like this small sampling from just a short period of time:
by Slad
The Compilation of every CNN fake news story against Trump since he became the Republican nominee.
March 10, 2017 in News by Slad
IWB
2016
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(5/9) 1. CNN Repeatedly Claims George Bush Sr. Signed NAFTA. It was Bill Clinton
(5/9) 2. CNN Denies Facts About Hillary’s Legal Career; CNN Previously Reported Those Same Exact Facts – down to the exact words.
(7/13) 3. CNN “Loses Connection” When Reporter Brings Up Hillary’s Past Criminal Justice Reforms
(8/1) 4. CNN Reporter Caught Misrepresenting Hillary Clinton Crowd Sizes to Look Larger
(8/2) 5. CNN Chooses to Prioritize its Criticisms of Donald Trump’s Choice of Cutlery Over Chemical Warfare
(8/8) 6. CNN Runs Hit-Piece on Trump, Ends up Equating African Americans with Felons
(8/10) 7. CNN Says Secret Service had Several’ Meetings with Trump About 2nd Amendment Comment; It had Zero
(8/29) 8. CNN Edits Out the Word ‘Crooked’ when Reporting Trump’s Tweet on Hillary
(8/31) 9. CNN’s Headline News Interviews Hero, Blurs Out his “Trump 2016” Shirt
(9/9) 10. CNN Claims Howard Stern Verified Story on Trump; Howard Stern Directly States that CNN is Lying
(9/17) 11. CNN Edits Out Clinton’s Use of the Word ‘Bomb,’ Attacks Trump for Saying ‘Bomb’
(9/19) 12. CNN Falsely Claims (over and over) that Donald Trump Called for “Racial Profiling”
(9/22) 13. CNN Demands Dr. Drew Retract Statements on Hillary Clinton’s Health, Cancels His Show Because of the Comments
(10/9) 14. CNN’s Pam Brown Caught Coaching a Presidential Debate Focus Against Trump
(10/11) 15. CNN’s Donna Brazile Caught Sneaking Debate Questions to Hillary Clinton
(10/12) 16. CNN Falsely Tells Viewers that it is Illegal to View WikiLeaks
(10/12 ) 17. CNN Disputes Existence of Hillary Audiotapes; CNN Reported on the Same Tapes Previously
(10/18) 18.. CNN’s Dan Merica Claims there’s Nothing to See in WikiLeaks; CNN’s Dan Merica is Implicated in Wikileaks for collusion with DNC against Trump
(10/19) 19. CNN ”Loses Connection” When Congressman Brings Up what WikiLeaks tells us about Clinton
(10/30) 20. CNN Falsely Claims Trump Told Crowd to Vote Twice, then Stealth Edits its Story, but Only After Media Outlets Report CNN’s Lie
(11/6) 21. CNN Executive’s Spouse Caught Colluding with DNC, Tipping Them Off on Unreleased Polls
(11/6) 22. CNN Caught Colluding with DNC on Questions for Trump, Cruz
(11/8) 23. CNN Interviews Angry Anti-Trump ‘Protestor’ who is Really Cameraman John Grkovic
(11/11) 24. CNN “Loses Connection” When Muslim Trump Supporter Brings Up Amir Khan’s Wife
(11/21) 26. CNN Uses False Story for Absurd Report, Discusses ‘If Jews are People’; if that’s not enough, they somehow try to tie it to Trump
(11/22) 27. CNN Contributor Falsely Claims Trump Told the Crowd at a Rally to Give the Nazi Salute
(11/22) 28. CNN’s Charles Kaiser, who is white, has a debate with an African American guest. Kaiser states that Steve Bannon “uses the word n*****.” The CNN moderator, Dana Bash, begins crying (because Kaiser used the actual n-word) and ends the interview. Kaiser later admits that Bannon never used the N-word and then he apologizes, unclear to whom.
(12/1) 29. CNN Crew Caught Joking About President Trump Dying in a Plane Crash
(12/2) 30. CNN ‘Reports’ on Anti-Trump Protest in Cincinatti, Shows Month Old Photo from Los Angeles
(12/10) 31. CNN Claims Election Hacking is Impossible Before Election, Blames Trump’s Victory on Hacking
(12/29) 32. CNN Falsely Reports that Russia Retaliated to Sanctions by Closing American School
(12/31) 33. CNN Pushes Fake News Story About Russians Hacking Vermont Power Grid
If there’s any mods here, is the system picking my comments up as spam?
(1/1) 34. CNN Reports on ‘Election Hacking’ with Footage from Fallout 4 Video Game
(1/4) 35. CNN Contributor Falsely Asserts that WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange is a Pedophile
(1/16) 36. CNN Reporter Claims That Trump Only Meets with ‘Mediocre Negroes’ & Black Entertainers; Trump Met with MLK III Earlier that Day and Plans to Meet with over 100 African American Leaders, Few of Whom are Entertainers
(2/1) 40. CNN’s Errol Lewis Pushes False Story that Trump’s Executive Order Caused Michigan Woman’s Death
(2/1) 41. CNN Falsely Claims Trump Brought Neil Hardiman to DC as a ‘decoy’; Hardin wasn’t in DC to Begin with
(2/9) 42. CNN calls everyone ‘Fake News’, Says it’s Like the N-word after Trump calls them it
(2/10) 43. CNN, after having been called ‘fake news’ by Trump, “Loses Connection” When Bernie Sanders Jokes that CNN is ‘Fake News’
(2/10) 44. CNN Falsely Claims Melania Trump Blew Off Akie Abe During Japanese Visit
(2/11) 45. CNN Falsely Reports White House Staffers Gifted Sean Spicer Several Supersoakers
(2/15) 46. CNN Headline Falsely Implies Damning Info About Trump’s Contact with Russia
is adding in some text amongst the links
(2/19) 47. CNN Headline Implies Trump’s Executive Order Caused Hawaii Man’s Death
(3/1) 48. CNN, in discussing Trump’s AG Jeff Sessions, Falsely Claims Loretta Lynch Recused Herself of All Clinton-Related Decisions
how’s everyone doing today?
(3/2) 49. CNN Host Cites False Tweet From Democrat Senator as ‘Best Resource’ to Attack Sessions
(3/6) 50. CNN “Loses Connection” When Congressman (who is defending Trump’s Executive Order) Brings Up FBI’s Terrorism Stats on Refugees
51. CNN Reporter Claims Baltimore Police Officers are Military Veterans ‘ready to do battle’
52. CNN Pushes the Widely Debunked “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” Narrative (Ferguson)
53. CNN Edits Out Sherelle Smith’s Calls for Violence, Reports her Message of ‘Peace’ (Milwaukee)
54. CNN Deceptively Edits Video of Keith Scott Shooting, Removes Police Yelling ‘Drop the Gun’ (Charlotte)
55. CNN Anchor Says Gunman who Stormed Dallas Police HQ was ‘courageous & brave’, Gives Nonapology
56. CNN’s Don Lemon Falsely Claims Anyone Can Buy an Automatic Weapon, Has No Idea What an Automatic Weapon is
57. CNN Runs Highly Misleading Headline About Congressional Action on Gun Control
but might as well dump some more while
58. CNN “Loses Connection” When Guest Brings Up Jesus (and Preaches Unity) in Wake of Ferguson Shooting
59. CNN Anchor Claims 12 year old Girls are ‘the problem’ for Not Wanting to See Penises
I’ve got your attention
60. CNN Reports on ‘ISIS Flag’ at Gay Pride Parade; Flag Depicts Dildos & Buttplugs
61. CNN’s Brian Stelter Falls for Fake News, Promotes YouTube Prankster’s Hoax Video
62. CNN Falls for Fake News About CNN, Apologizes for Airing Porn it Never Aired
63. CNN Deceptively Edits Trump Interview, Swaps His Answers to Different Questions to Manufacture Claim he Wants to Start a ‘Muslim registry’
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Quote: SanchoPanzaQuote: beachbumbabsNearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true.
Maybe you mean just like this small sampling from just a short period of time:
by Slad
The Compilation of every CNN fake news story against Trump since he became the Republican nominee.
March 10, 2017 in News by Slad
IWB
2016
Image result for cnn fake news
(5/9) 1. CNN Repeatedly Claims George Bush Sr. Signed NAFTA. It was Bill Clinton
(5/9) 2. CNN Denies Facts About Hillary’s Legal Career; CNN Previously Reported Those Same Exact Facts – down to the exact words.
(7/13) 3. CNN “Loses Connection” When Reporter Brings Up Hillary’s Past Criminal Justice Reforms
(8/1) 4. CNN Reporter Caught Misrepresenting Hillary Clinton Crowd Sizes to Look Larger
(8/2) 5. CNN Chooses to Prioritize its Criticisms of Donald Trump’s Choice of Cutlery Over Chemical Warfare
(8/8) 6. CNN Runs Hit-Piece on Trump, Ends up Equating African Americans with Felons
(8/10) 7. CNN Says Secret Service had Several’ Meetings with Trump About 2nd Amendment Comment; It had Zero
(8/29) 8. CNN Edits Out the Word ‘Crooked’ when Reporting Trump’s Tweet on Hillary
(8/31) 9. CNN’s Headline News Interviews Hero, Blurs Out his “Trump 2016” Shirt
(9/9) 10. CNN Claims Howard Stern Verified Story on Trump; Howard Stern Directly States that CNN is Lying
(9/17) 11. CNN Edits Out Clinton’s Use of the Word ‘Bomb,’ Attacks Trump for Saying ‘Bomb’
(9/19) 12. CNN Falsely Claims (over and over) that Donald Trump Called for “Racial Profiling”
(9/22) 13. CNN Demands Dr. Drew Retract Statements on Hillary Clinton’s Health, Cancels His Show Because of the Comments
(10/9) 14. CNN’s Pam Brown Caught Coaching a Presidential Debate Focus Against Trump
(10/11) 15. CNN’s Donna Brazile Caught Sneaking Debate Questions to Hillary Clinton
(10/12) 16. CNN Falsely Tells Viewers that it is Illegal to View WikiLeaks
(10/12 ) 17. CNN Disputes Existence of Hillary Audiotapes; CNN Reported on the Same Tapes Previously
(10/18) 18.. CNN’s Dan Merica Claims there’s Nothing to See in WikiLeaks; CNN’s Dan Merica is Implicated in Wikileaks for collusion with DNC against Trump
(10/19) 19. CNN ”Loses Connection” When Congressman Brings Up what WikiLeaks tells us about Clinton
(10/30) 20. CNN Falsely Claims Trump Told Crowd to Vote Twice, then Stealth Edits its Story, but Only After Media Outlets Report CNN’s Lie
(11/6) 21. CNN Executive’s Spouse Caught Colluding with DNC, Tipping Them Off on Unreleased Polls
(11/6) 22. CNN Caught Colluding with DNC on Questions for Trump, Cruz
(11/8) 23. CNN Interviews Angry Anti-Trump ‘Protestor’ who is Really Cameraman John Grkovic
(11/11) 24. CNN “Loses Connection” When Muslim Trump Supporter Brings Up Amir Khan’s Wife
(11/21) 26. CNN Uses False Story for Absurd Report, Discusses ‘If Jews are People’; if that’s not enough, they somehow try to tie it to Trump
(11/22) 27. CNN Contributor Falsely Claims Trump Told the Crowd at a Rally to Give the Nazi Salute
(11/22) 28. CNN’s Charles Kaiser, who is white, has a debate with an African American guest. Kaiser states that Steve Bannon “uses the word n*****.” The CNN moderator, Dana Bash, begins crying (because Kaiser used the actual n-word) and ends the interview. Kaiser later admits that Bannon never used the N-word and then he apologizes, unclear to whom.
(12/1) 29. CNN Crew Caught Joking About President Trump Dying in a Plane Crash
(12/2) 30. CNN ‘Reports’ on Anti-Trump Protest in Cincinatti, Shows Month Old Photo from Los Angeles
(12/10) 31. CNN Claims Election Hacking is Impossible Before Election, Blames Trump’s Victory on Hacking
(12/29) 32. CNN Falsely Reports that Russia Retaliated to Sanctions by Closing American School
(12/31) 33. CNN Pushes Fake News Story About Russians Hacking Vermont Power Grid
If there’s any mods here, is the system picking my comments up as spam?
(1/1) 34. CNN Reports on ‘Election Hacking’ with Footage from Fallout 4 Video Game
(1/4) 35. CNN Contributor Falsely Asserts that WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange is a Pedophile
(1/16) 36. CNN Reporter Claims That Trump Only Meets with ‘Mediocre Negroes’ & Black Entertainers; Trump Met with MLK III Earlier that Day and Plans to Meet with over 100 African American Leaders, Few of Whom are Entertainers
(2/1) 40. CNN’s Errol Lewis Pushes False Story that Trump’s Executive Order Caused Michigan Woman’s Death
(2/1) 41. CNN Falsely Claims Trump Brought Neil Hardiman to DC as a ‘decoy’; Hardin wasn’t in DC to Begin with
(2/9) 42. CNN calls everyone ‘Fake News’, Says it’s Like the N-word after Trump calls them it
(2/10) 43. CNN, after having been called ‘fake news’ by Trump, “Loses Connection” When Bernie Sanders Jokes that CNN is ‘Fake News’
(2/10) 44. CNN Falsely Claims Melania Trump Blew Off Akie Abe During Japanese Visit
(2/11) 45. CNN Falsely Reports White House Staffers Gifted Sean Spicer Several Supersoakers
(2/15) 46. CNN Headline Falsely Implies Damning Info About Trump’s Contact with Russia
is adding in some text amongst the links
(2/19) 47. CNN Headline Implies Trump’s Executive Order Caused Hawaii Man’s Death
(3/1) 48. CNN, in discussing Trump’s AG Jeff Sessions, Falsely Claims Loretta Lynch Recused Herself of All Clinton-Related Decisions
how’s everyone doing today?
(3/2) 49. CNN Host Cites False Tweet From Democrat Senator as ‘Best Resource’ to Attack Sessions
(3/6) 50. CNN “Loses Connection” When Congressman (who is defending Trump’s Executive Order) Brings Up FBI’s Terrorism Stats on Refugees
51. CNN Reporter Claims Baltimore Police Officers are Military Veterans ‘ready to do battle’
52. CNN Pushes the Widely Debunked “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” Narrative (Ferguson)
53. CNN Edits Out Sherelle Smith’s Calls for Violence, Reports her Message of ‘Peace’ (Milwaukee)
54. CNN Deceptively Edits Video of Keith Scott Shooting, Removes Police Yelling ‘Drop the Gun’ (Charlotte)
55. CNN Anchor Says Gunman who Stormed Dallas Police HQ was ‘courageous & brave’, Gives Nonapology
56. CNN’s Don Lemon Falsely Claims Anyone Can Buy an Automatic Weapon, Has No Idea What an Automatic Weapon is
57. CNN Runs Highly Misleading Headline About Congressional Action on Gun Control
but might as well dump some more while
58. CNN “Loses Connection” When Guest Brings Up Jesus (and Preaches Unity) in Wake of Ferguson Shooting
59. CNN Anchor Claims 12 year old Girls are ‘the problem’ for Not Wanting to See Penises
I’ve got your attention
60. CNN Reports on ‘ISIS Flag’ at Gay Pride Parade; Flag Depicts Dildos & Buttplugs
61. CNN’s Brian Stelter Falls for Fake News, Promotes YouTube Prankster’s Hoax Video
62. CNN Falls for Fake News About CNN, Apologizes for Airing Porn it Never Aired
63. CNN Deceptively Edits Trump Interview, Swaps His Answers to Different Questions to Manufacture Claim he Wants to Start a ‘Muslim registry’
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It goes far back. Can we add 11/2004, CNN caught using vulgar filenames for pictures of Bush in website html after he won reelection.
The fake beer drinking Indian raises the pot with the elimination of previous college loans.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cbcd065e4b032e7ceb9b51b
I can only imagine what is next. You would like to think most Americans won’t fall for this.
Quote: BozAs I and others have said, the crazies on the left will have to try and beat each other by offering more than the next lunatic.
The fake beer drinking Indian raises the pot with the elimination of previous college loans.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cbcd065e4b032e7ceb9b51b
I can only imagine what is next. You would like to think most Americans won’t fall for this.
And yet some people say she is a crusader and not a socialist!
The ones who will most fall for it are the professional student types. The ones you see whining about all their student loans on YouTube, said they "wanted to get their phd in English Lit" then can't figure out why they have six figures of debt with no prospect of a job using their degree as they make my latte.
So far Trump has the only sane idea on the student debt issue--limit what a person can borrow using the program.
By the time of the first primaries I can see the ante being raised to not just free college for all but a "stipend" so students "don't have to work and can be full time students."
The student loan problem may be taking care of itself. Raw number of people going to college seems to be level to falling. People realizing a trade may be better for them. Some schools closing. Though I can see what is going to be set up from all of these trends in a few years.
Quote: BozAs I and others have said, the crazies on the left will have to try and beat each other by offering more than the next lunatic.
The fake beer drinking Indian raises the pot with the elimination of previous college loans.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5cbcd065e4b032e7ceb9b51b
I can only imagine what is next. You would like to think most Americans won’t fall for this.
You could not make up a bigger f-ck you plan if you tried to people who chose not to go to a four year school for whatever reason and worked hard and succeeded anyway, who will now end up paying for those irresponsible student loans they never took out.
Quote: mcallister3200You could not make up a bigger f-ck you plan if you tried to people who didn’t go to a four year school for whatever reason and worked hard and succeeded anyway, who will now end up paying for those irresponsible student loans they never took out.
I think it'll be awhile before there's any real change on this issue and definitely don't think it would go this far. Lots of those student loans are responsible moves, but the job market changes, the lenders are predatory or major life events impede the progress of the lendee. I'd be more in favor of gradual change to aid students. It's always tough to significantly change policy and with how polarized things are it might be better not to.
Making sure students have adequate support is a sensible plan and I think the candidates with that mindset are on a good path.
Quote: MintyI think it'll be awhile before there's any real change on this issue and definitely don't think it would go this far. Lots of those student loans are responsible moves, but the job market changes, the lenders are predatory or major life events impede the progress of the lendee. I'd be more in favor of gradual change to aid students. It's always tough to significantly change policy and with how polarized things are it might be better not to.
Making sure students have adequate support is a sensible plan and I think the candidates with that mindset are on a good path.
Are you saying student loan lenders are predatory?
