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Quote: avianrandy

I am very sorry to hear that. I debated whether to ask that,but I figured nothing ventured nothing gained. Thank you for answering
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No problem at all. I'm impressed that someone was considerate enough to ask. It's not directly traumatizing to me; I didn't know the individual who was a victim. But some family members I'm close to spent 10 years in Nashville in various positions of Christian ministry and they're sad and hurting and angry. I'm surprised at how much second-hand sorrow I feel. The world is what it is and we are who we are and I guess we all just need to do the best that we can.
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Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: avianrandy

I am very sorry to hear that. I debated whether to ask that,but I figured nothing ventured nothing gained. Thank you for answering
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No problem at all. I'm impressed that someone was considerate enough to ask. It's not directly traumatizing to me; I didn't know the individual who was a victim. But some family members I'm close to spent 10 years in Nashville in various positions of Christian ministry and they're sad and hurting and angry. I'm surprised at how much second-hand sorrow I feel. The world is what it is and we are who we are and I guess we all just need to do the best that we can.
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I don’t really understand. If they are in the ‘Christian ministry’, don’t they believe those killed ‘have gone to a better place’ and are now ‘with the Lord’? I am sad for the wasteful loss of life because I don’t believe they are going anywhere.

No one has ever successfully answered that question to me. By the way, this question can apply to most religions….
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Quote: billryan

I want to go to heaven. I want you to go to heaven. Just not today, or this week.
I'm secure in my belief my friend and family are in a better place, but am sad they are not with me, and weren't able to accomplish their dreams.
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Quote: billryan

I want to go to heaven. I want you to go to heaven. Just not today, or this week.
I'm secure in my belief my friend and family are in a better place, but am sad they are not with me, and weren't able to accomplish their dreams.
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I am hoping death is a big nothing. The thought of heaven sounds exhausting. I am lazy and want to continue to do nothing for eternity.
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Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: avianrandy

I am very sorry to hear that. I debated whether to ask that,but I figured nothing ventured nothing gained. Thank you for answering
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No problem at all. I'm impressed that someone was considerate enough to ask. It's not directly traumatizing to me; I didn't know the individual who was a victim. But some family members I'm close to spent 10 years in Nashville in various positions of Christian ministry and they're sad and hurting and angry. I'm surprised at how much second-hand sorrow I feel. The world is what it is and we are who we are and I guess we all just need to do the best that we can.
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I don’t really understand. If they are in the ‘Christian ministry’, don’t they believe those killed ‘have gone to a better place’ and are now ‘with the Lord’? I am sad for the wasteful loss of life because I don’t believe they are going anywhere.

No one has ever successfully answered that question to me. By the way, this question can apply to most religions….
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I am not a church-going Christian and have beliefs that are similar to yours, so you won't learn the meaning of life by asking me. And I realize it is hard for people to grasp another person's sorrow especially when it is deep and enduring.

Death is not immediate for most bullet wounds and I imagine my family members are sorrowful because their friend died in pain and horror, pooled in their own blood and bodily organs as they watched children that were in their trust screaming and crying because they were being murdered.

All of us, Christian or otherwise, value the people in our lives, value our relationships and feel loss when they die. Don't we all wish our friends to have a long full life, filled with joy and love? Don't we all feel impoverished, ruined, crushed by the deaths of friends and people we love? How can any sapient sensate human choose this moment to ask the question that you just asked? Do you not understand the nature of sorrow, the exigency of grieving?

The victims of this hate crime were all born into the same world that we were and were targeted for murder simply because they were Christians. They were innocent souls and good human beings who did not deserve to have their lives ended. This victim - the friend of my family members - was not an Advantage Player who hugs the shadows or a dough-faced thug working for casino security or a pill-pushing physician or a lieing politician or an activist who publicly celebrates violence against Christians. This victim was a teacher in a school for children. The friends and family of this victim, and all the victims of this tragedy, are hurting and grieving. Because they are human and they love and they care.

Soopoo, try getting in touch with your humanity. Love and care.
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Quote: SOOPOO

My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.

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Quote: gordonm888

Quote: avianrandy

I am very sorry to hear that. I debated whether to ask that,but I figured nothing ventured nothing gained. Thank you for answering
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No problem at all. I'm impressed that someone was considerate enough to ask. It's not directly traumatizing to me; I didn't know the individual who was a victim. But some family members I'm close to spent 10 years in Nashville in various positions of Christian ministry and they're sad and hurting and angry. I'm surprised at how much second-hand sorrow I feel. The world is what it is and we are who we are and I guess we all just need to do the best that we can.
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I don’t really understand. If they are in the ‘Christian ministry’, don’t they believe those killed ‘have gone to a better place’ and are now ‘with the Lord’? I am sad for the wasteful loss of life because I don’t believe they are going anywhere.

No one has ever successfully answered that question to me. By the way, this question can apply to most religions….
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Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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Quote: AxelWolf

I just don't understand why God likes messing with us when he could easily just clear things up by simply willing it to be. j

Apparently, God has a plan and it includes allowing the killing of innocent children, starvation, and various tragedies.
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Quote: AxelWolf

I just don't understand why God likes messing with us when he could easily just clear things up by simply willing it to be. j

Apparently, God has a plan and it includes allowing the killing of innocent children, starvation, and various tragedies.
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God does not interfere with the affairs or actions of man, who He made with free will. Furthermore, God also does not protect one against misfortune due to accident or otherwise.
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Quote: rxwine

Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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Quote: AxelWolf

I just don't understand why God likes messing with us when he could easily just clear things up by simply willing it to be. j

Apparently, God has a plan and it includes allowing the killing of innocent children, starvation, and various tragedies.
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God does not interfere with the affairs or actions of man, who He made with free will. Furthermore, God also does not protect one against misfortune due to accident or otherwise.
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So praying is mostly useless other than for spiritual reasons. I.E. Pray for our children's safety = useless

Almost all religious faiths I'm aware of believe that God can, will, and does protect one against misfortune due to accident or otherwise. He just chooses not to.

Most religious people take to heart that he won't put any more on use can be can bare. I guess when a loving father's family gets brutally raped and murdered the father can bare that since God has a plan.

I guess it's true god will provide a way out so that you may be able to endure hardships. Apparently, It's called suicide.
I guess all the people committing suicide must not believe in God


What a pal God is.
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Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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Quote: billryan

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: AxelWolf

I just don't understand why God likes messing with us when he could easily just clear things up by simply willing it to be. j

Apparently, God has a plan and it includes allowing the killing of innocent children, starvation, and various tragedies.
link to original post

God does not interfere with the affairs or actions of man, who He made with free will. Furthermore, God also does not protect one against misfortune due to accident or otherwise.
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So praying is mostly useless other than for spiritual reasons. I.E. Pray for our children's safety = useless

Almost all religious faiths I'm aware of believe that God can, will, and does protect one against misfortune due to accident or otherwise. He just chooses not to.

Most religious people take to heart that he won't put any more on use can be can bare. I guess when a loving father's family gets brutally raped and murdered the father can bare that since God has a plan.

I guess it's true god will provide a way out so that you may be able to endure hardships. Apparently, It's called suicide.
I guess all the people committing suicide must not believe in God


What a pal God is.
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It's a shame you don't seem to know him very well.
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Quote: billryan

Quote: rxwine

Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: billryan

Quote: rxwine

Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Is this "hate speech" or "objective summary"?
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Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Is this "hate speech" or "objective summary"?
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Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Is this "hate speech" or "objective summary"?
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Non-religious post here.

I can’t see any difference between evidence for a system gambling claim that beats a negative game without evidence than any other claim.

The importance of something to someone doesn’t give it one gram of weight to me to make it true, nor the number of people who endorse it. Nor how long it has been believed.
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Whatever you want to call it, you can't say it is permitted here without twisting yourself into a pretzel.
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Suppose you find out the first test by the Supreme Being was to not believe he's been sending you instructions all this time? You're going to fail that one. Just sayin'.

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Quote: rxwine

Suppose you find out the first test by the Supreme Being was to not believe he's been sending you instructions all this time? You're going to fail that one. Just sayin'.

More like the Supreme Being failed miserably at sending me instructions all this time.
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Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

Quote: Dieter

Quote: GenoDRPh

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Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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But hate speech against Muslims is okay?
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No.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Is this "hate speech" or "objective summary"?
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In todays world, those two are NOT mutually exclusive. I could make a list of easily proven facts about a specific religious group, or ethnic group, and I can assure you I’d be lambasted as using ‘hate speech’.
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I could make a list of easily proven facts about a specific religious group, or ethnic group, and I can assure you I’d be lambasted as using ‘hate speech’.

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Seems like a supreme being should be funding his own organization, not suggesting donations on a voluntary basis or otherwise. But that's my perspective.
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I've never heard God ask for anything, let alone money.
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No one has actually heard God. If you believe in the Bible and that God was responsible for convening his message to us through the people in Bible, then God asked us to give to honor him.
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Have you never heard from God? That sounds like a you problem. When was the last time you spoke to him?
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

You missed my point. I do get sad for the untimely deaths. I’ve seen literally thousands in my lifetime due to the nature of my work.
My question, I guess ill timed; was about why there would be grief if you TRULY believed there was a better place that the departed were going to.

And why don’t you look in the mirror with your not even thinly veiled insult of all the advantage players here? Like casino security people are automatically bad in your eyes? I’m a ‘pill pushing physician’, not a doctor who went to work every day hoping to help out a little?

So I’ll repeat my question….. if the deceased are going to a better place, why should we mourn that passing? My answer is simple, we know there is no better place awaiting us.
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As I understand Christian Bible teachings, they preach that a person's soul goes to heaven. Christians may comfort each other at times of loss by saying that Aunt Selma is looking down from somewhere above, but Christians do not actually teach that your personality and memories remain intact after death. Christianity is about saving the immortal soul, not the mortal person. In my experience, Christians do not rejoice over deaths, particularly the deaths of children. They teach that life is a precious, sacred gift which is exactly their rationale for mourning death. Surprise, Soopoo! I guess you missed the memo: Christians are literally pro-life! And, IMO, that is the answer to your ill-timed question. The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase.

As I have said, my views on death are about the same as yours. But, in the face of a mass-shooting of innocent children and teachers, to ask someone "Why should we mourn their passing?" is more than ill-timed. It is rude and insensitive. And given the context of the mass shooting, it somehow implies that maybe killing Christians isn't really a tragedy - as some public figures have already said*. If you had posted "Why should we mourn the passing of George Floyd, hasn't he gone to a better place?" after he was killed by the police, then all Holy hell would have broken loose in this forum. Why is this situation different? Why do you have no courtesy to extend to me and to these victims?

*Specifically, we have seen video on television news shows of certain public figures saying about this mass shooting "Christians are haters and are only reaping what they have sown."

You misunderstood my comments about APs "seeking the shadows" and other categories of people -I was trying to contrast the innocence of the victims to the lack of innocence of the adults who are talking about them. It was a literary device, apparently unsuccessful.

If you want to keep posting on this topic, let me invite you to copy and paste this statement into your next post:

It is absolutely unacceptable for anyone to target Christians for violence; it is a hate crime and I denounce anyone who does it.
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for people that don't believe in God -

well, they're going to have a whole lot of difficulty explaining or understanding the origin of the universe

how something came out of nothing

the "Big Bang Theory" doesn't do it for me - maybe it does for some - maybe geniuses fully understand it

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Quote: rxwine

Suppose you find out the first test by the Supreme Being was to not believe he's been sending you instructions all this time? You're going to fail that one. Just sayin'.

More like the Supreme Being failed miserably at sending me instructions all this time.
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That's the ticket. The Creator of the Universe is the one failing here.
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I call your attention to the following from Gordon:

"The only religion that selectively rejoices at the death of believers is Islam, in which martyrdom - when Islamics die while striking a blow against infidels and non-believers - is celebrated as a glorious thing. Of course, some Islamic countries are also putting to death people who commit homosexual acts - so maybe you should direct your religion-phobic questioning towards the Islamic faith, where your hostility may find more righteous purchase"

Muslim hate speech. If not, then what is it?
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Please: can you provide a permalink to the source of this quote? I am having trouble finding this in context.
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