Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
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Quote: Mission146I don’t find much entertainment value or joy in gambling. I used to, but I don’t drink anymore, so there’s no situation where I’d just want to hang out in a casino at -EV. It’s tough to justify playing at an expected loss of any kind when one is sober.
First, congrats and high 5 props in defeating those personal demons. The courage and fortitude exhibited is exemplary. Second, my opinion, your intellect and firmly established "math" skills are holding you hostage in your real ability to think outside the box when it comes to gambling. I realize that budgets (expendable cash) can hinder one's play to the extent of playing "tight." But if one has discipline and a "plan," one can win and have some fun even if it is only interacting with other players who are not a**h***s. My personal approach is positive, upbeat, cheerful, and focused. Losing is never fun, but I win (at craps) more often than I lose to the point that I am up overall. For me, it is about attitude and focus.
Quote: Mission146There’s no real compensating for disappointment. You just remind yourself that you had the best of it mathematically and spend the remainder of the day angry that you lost.
That comment made me smile because I can not envision you being "angry" or eaten up for any length of time due to any minor setback especially since you have conquered a major personal issue.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigym
That comment made me smile because I can not envision you being "angry" or eaten up for any length of time due to any minor setback especially since you have conquered a major personal issue.
tuttigym
I don't think I have ever been angry after a losing session at gambling when I believed I had an advantage. I have been angry losing after I realized that my calculations were wrong and I didn't have an advantage. I was angry with myself.
Quote: tuttigymFirst, congrats and high 5 props in defeating those personal demons. The courage and fortitude exhibited is exemplary. Second, my opinion, your intellect and firmly established "math" skills are holding you hostage in your real ability to think outside the box when it comes to gambling. I realize that budgets (expendable cash) can hinder one's play to the extent of playing "tight." But if one has discipline and a "plan," one can win and have some fun even if it is only interacting with other players who are not a**h***s. My personal approach is positive, upbeat, cheerful, and focused. Losing is never fun, but I win (at craps) more often than I lose to the point that I am up overall. For me, it is about attitude and focus.
tuttigym, no disrespect intended but I have to say all of your success up to this point is not because you have a positive, upbeat, and cheerful approach. Neither is it due to you having a positive attitude and being focused.
All new players need to know that. The positive results that you have received up to this point while playing craps are due to the sample size is just too small and you should feel fortunate for yourself.
Quote: tuttigym
That comment made me smile because I can not envision you being "angry" or eaten up for any length of time due to any minor setback especially since you have conquered a major personal issue.
tuttigym
The term "minor setback" is more than worthy of a subject for discussion.
Depending upon your playing bank and the size of wagers age etc a minor setback can have many different meanings, as well as interpretation to different players. Personally, my wagering limits are always well within a very low risk of ruin. Over the years every setback that I have had was always overcome only to reach new highs. All of this playing as a part-time very serious non-professional player. A little dilemma "a very real weakness" that I am now facing is dealing with the realities of the ups and downs of high stakes play as I no longer look at this as the long term will take care of it, as I already am in the long term at least age-wise. Subsequently, I look at the game of blackjack from a different perspective than in prior years.
Today I look at wins and losses not so much from the playing bank perspective but what those dollars actually represent to the everyday cost of living your life. So far everything has been fine where I should not even give it a second thought but seriously the time that I spend playing the game is now a negative to me even though I still play with an edge. I guess it is probably time to find a new endeavor.
A positive, cheerful attitude my help, but not nearly as much as being properly hydrated.
Quote: DRichI don't think I have ever been angry after a losing session at gambling when I believed I had an advantage. I have been angry losing after I realized that my calculations were wrong and I didn't have an advantage. I was angry with myself.
So, when you do lose, are you playing the same way each time or do you adjust to "compensate" those previously faulty calculations to give yourself that "advantage"? Do those adjustments then give you consistent wins or are they temporary fixes which eventually turn to losses? BTW what game are you playing?
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymSo, when you do lose, are you playing the same way each time or do you adjust to "compensate" those previously faulty calculations to give yourself that "advantage"? Do those adjustments then give you consistent wins or are they temporary fixes which eventually turn to losses? BTW what game are you playing?
tuttigym
When I realize that I have miscalculated I stop playing period. Generally the edges are so thin that if I had made a mistake the game will be negative and I won't play. I do not play for fun. If I don't think I can make a couple hundred dollars an hour it is probably not worth my time.
Quote: BoSoxtuttigym, no disrespect intended but I have to say all of your success up to this point is not because you have a positive, upbeat, and cheerful approach. Neither is it due to you having a positive attitude and being focused.
Perhaps, however, if one approaches anything with a defeatist attitude, negative things will happen. "Sample size" is purely subjective and vague. It might be informative to all to define EXACTLY a proper "sample size" number that one must attempt to give truly ACCURATE results that one might consider valid.
Quote: BoSoxAll new players need to know that. The positive results that you have received up to this point while playing craps are due to the sample size is just too small and you should feel fortunate for yourself.
All new players need to know that "establishment play" that relies on the "establishment craps math" is beyond flawed that will ultimately create losses a vast majority of the time. To have new players embrace the, my words, outrageous, complicated, unproven algebraic formulas and equations presented here is not the reality of the game. To trust phony simulations showing 10's of thousands or even millions of hands, rolls, or spins that "prove" the, my words, fuzzy math is deceiving at best IMHO.
tuttigym
Quote: DRichWhen I realize that I have miscalculated I stop playing period. Generally the edges are so thin that if I had made a mistake the game will be negative and I won't play. I do not play for fun. If I don't think I can make a couple hundred dollars an hour it is probably not worth my time.
That is a great, honest answer, and I have no quarrel with that approach. It is pure business. If I may, my approach is recreational and being retired with a fair amount of discretionary $$$, I engage to win to be sure, but $$/hr. is of no importance if I am enjoying that time at the tables.
tuttigym
hard to believe that with all the problems caused by closeness to the ocean in New Jersey that people are still building and buying homes like this - this is a recent pic:
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Quote: tuttigymPerhaps, however, if one approaches anything with a defeatist attitude, negative things will happen. "Sample size" is purely subjective and vague. It might be informative to all to define EXACTLY a proper "sample size" number that one must attempt to give truly ACCURATE results that one might consider valid.
Okay, you want an accurate statement then try this one out it fits perfectly: Forum rule #10 states:
"Betting systems: Methods of varying bet size, based on previous wins and losses, not only can't overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. However, if you're one of the many mathematically ignorant gamblers who think adding up negative numbers can result in a positive one, please keep your comments restricted to the betting systems sty. Betting systems may not be offered for sale anywhere on the site."
Quote: tuttigym
All new players need to know that "establishment play" that relies on the "establishment craps math" is beyond flawed that will ultimately create losses a vast majority of the time. To have new players embrace the, my words, outrageous, complicated, unproven algebraic formulas and equations presented here is not the reality of the game. To trust phony simulations showing 10's of thousands or even millions of hands, rolls, or spins that "prove" the, my words, fuzzy math is deceiving at best IMHO.
Fuzzy math please! The bottom line here is that you are having trouble believing the following term:
No matter how hard you try you cannot make a negative expectation positive!
Quote: DRichI don't think I have ever been angry after a losing session at gambling when I believed I had an advantage.
this statement is quite amazing to me and I congratulate you on your attitude regarding this
I've always felt that the ultimate goal of an AP is to operate as a computer would with no emotions at all - win or lose
but, of course, being an AP does not stop a person from being human
when I played as an AP I was certainly upset by large unpredictable losses and made happy by large unpredictable wins
I was never able to completely take my emotions out of my play
I admire anybody who can
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Quote: tuttigym
All new players need to know that "establishment play" that relies on the "establishment craps math" is beyond flawed that will ultimately create losses a vast majority of the time. To have new players embrace the, my words, outrageous, complicated, unproven algebraic formulas and equations presented here is not the reality of the game.
Warning: this is veering toward betting systems discussion.
You are not obligated to believe in mathematics, but you are obligated to discuss your disbeliefs in the appropriate place.
Quote: DRichIf I don't think I can make a couple hundred dollars an hour it is probably not worth my time.
if you don't mind my asking what game are you playing where you make $200 per hour..........?
blackjack.........?.................you must be betting very big unless you're hole carding
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Quote: lilredroosterif you don't mind my asking what game are you playing where you make $200 per hour..........?
blackjack.........?.................you must be betting very big unless you're hole carding
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When you play with that sort of edge, it is almost always on a casino promo that wasn't properly thought out. I was going to post some past examples, but they make a future comeback so I'll respect that.
Quote: tuttigymFirst, congrats and high 5 props in defeating those personal demons. The courage and fortitude exhibited is exemplary. Second, my opinion, your intellect and firmly established "math" skills are holding you hostage in your real ability to think outside the box when it comes to gambling. I realize that budgets (expendable cash) can hinder one's play to the extent of playing "tight." But if one has discipline and a "plan," one can win and have some fun even if it is only interacting with other players who are not a**h***s. My personal approach is positive, upbeat, cheerful, and focused. Losing is never fun, but I win (at craps) more often than I lose to the point that I am up overall. For me, it is about attitude and focus.
That comment made me smile because I can not envision you being "angry" or eaten up for any length of time due to any minor setback especially since you have conquered a major personal issue.
tuttigym
Quitting drinking was probably done out of some sort of demented sense of self-loathing.
I don’t participate in gambling-related activities or writing about gambling for fun because there’s nothing fun about gambling for me. To an extent, I write for people who think gambling is fun, which is fine. I have one goal: Make money.
Anyway, thanks for the compliment, but I’m not even that certain that quitting drinking was that great of a decision.
Quote: DRichI don't think I have ever been angry after a losing session at gambling when I believed I had an advantage. I have been angry losing after I realized that my calculations were wrong and I didn't have an advantage. I was angry with myself.
If there was someone who followed me around and offered me fixed 80% EV on everything I find; I’d be more than happy with that.
You also probably like being in casinos, so that helps. When I lose, I feel like the whole thing was a waste of time and I’ve been doing this long enough that I don’t get much out of winning anymore.
Simply put, losing $5 causes me more anger than the joy I get from winning $500. I think it’s a good way to be, though, means you’re not going to take too many chances.
Losing was more tolerable when I knew I’d just have a few drinks and shake it off.
tuttigym
Quote: Mission146
You also probably like being in casinos, so that helps. When I lose, I feel like the whole thing was a waste of time and I’ve been doing this long enough that I don’t get much out of winning anymore.
Actually I gamble so little now that I am rarely in casinos. Gambling is no longer fun, it is just a way to make a few extra dollars for me if I see a big advantage. When I used to gamble a lot I would set a daily loss limit at $10k. When I hit that number I would quit for the day even if leaving an advantage situation. $10k was a lot of money to me but not enough that I would be pissed losing it if I thought I was at an advantage..
We have a nice, but certainly not memorable dinner and am ordering desserts when my friends wife asks for a doggie bag for her meal. She had some sort of chicken on a waffle roll smothered in gravy and had at least half the food left on her plate. The server evidently gave her a strange look and walked away. An older woman comes over ,introduces herself as the operator and tells her they don't do take out, carry out or offer doggie bags. Before anyone can say anything she says if you can't finish your meal, you can't take it with you but you don't have to pay for it. The dinner was $21.99 so the owner said how about I take $10 off.
Strangest thing I've ever seen. One of my friends said this might prevent kitchen staff from loading up their friends to go boxes, and another suggested they save a lot of space by not carrying carry out supplies.
I think it's just Arizona being Arizona.
Quote: billryanA very strange experience at a steakhouse in Tombstone tonite. It was my first time there but others in my party have been there a few times.
We have a nice, but certainly not memorable dinner and am ordering desserts when my friends wife asks for a doggie bag for her meal. She had some sort of chicken on a waffle roll smothered in gravy and had at least half the food left on her plate. The server evidently gave her a strange look and walked away. An older woman comes over ,introduces herself as the operator and tells her they don't do take out, carry out or offer doggie bags. Before anyone can say anything she says if you can't finish your meal, you can't take it with you but you don't have to pay for it. The dinner was $21.99 so the owner said how about I take $10 off.
Strangest thing I've ever seen. One of my friends said this might prevent kitchen staff from loading up their friends to go boxes, and another suggested they save a lot of space by not carrying carry out supplies.
I think it's just Arizona being Arizona.
My wife and her daughters MAYBE eat 20% of what comes on a plate at an average restaurant. That restaurant would be my favorite….
Quote: billryanA very strange experience at a steakhouse in Tombstone tonite. It was my first time there but others in my party have been there a few times.
We have a nice, but certainly not memorable dinner and am ordering desserts when my friends wife asks for a doggie bag for her meal. She had some sort of chicken on a waffle roll smothered in gravy and had at least half the food left on her plate. The server evidently gave her a strange look and walked away. An older woman comes over ,introduces herself as the operator and tells her they don't do take out, carry out or offer doggie bags. Before anyone can say anything she says if you can't finish your meal, you can't take it with you but you don't have to pay for it. The dinner was $21.99 so the owner said how about I take $10 off.
Strangest thing I've ever seen. One of my friends said this might prevent kitchen staff from loading up their friends to go boxes, and another suggested they save a lot of space by not carrying carry out supplies.
I think it's just Arizona being Arizona.
Can’t let the secret recipe leave the building!
That’s kinda funny though, I’ve never had a restaurant decline a takeout container. However I would take the “pay for only what you eat” deal at any restaurant.
Maybe they could start weighing the plate before and after a customer eats and calculate an exact price, just like the junkyard.
Quote: gamerfreak
Maybe they could start weighing the plate before and after a customer eats and calculate an exact price, just like the junkyard.
there were 2 Chinese buffets in Maryland near where I live that did that - one closed - the other is still open and doing it
but only for takeout - and of course, only before the customer eats
I'm guessing that most Chinese buffets offer that option
I'm not going to say I'm in love with Chinese food
but, I give them credit - IMO they have really mastered giving the food taste
a lot of it is too oily to eat often
Japanese restaurants cook with less oil but IMO they don't deliver the great taste that Chinese restaurants do
most of the dishes Chinese restaurants in America sell have been prepared so that an American can easily handle it -
the authentic Chinese restaurants - mostly in China - have some dishes that would be very rough for a typical American to handle
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Quote: billryanA very strange experience at a steakhouse in Tombstone tonite. It was my first time there but others in my party have been there a few times.
We have a nice, but certainly not memorable dinner and am ordering desserts when my friends wife asks for a doggie bag for her meal. She had some sort of chicken on a waffle roll smothered in gravy and had at least half the food left on her plate. The server evidently gave her a strange look and walked away. An older woman comes over ,introduces herself as the operator and tells her they don't do take out, carry out or offer doggie bags. Before anyone can say anything she says if you can't finish your meal, you can't take it with you but you don't have to pay for it. The dinner was $21.99 so the owner said how about I take $10 off.
Strangest thing I've ever seen. One of my friends said this might prevent kitchen staff from loading up their friends to go boxes, and another suggested they save a lot of space by not carrying carry out supplies.
I think it's just Arizona being Arizona.
Do they use the leftover meat for stew?
I was on a bus tour in a foreign country and we had stopped at what passed as a small rest stop style place in the mountains. They served tea, and we discovered they poured any leftover tea you left in your cup back into the main serving pot.
Quote: billryanA very strange experience at a steakhouse in Tombstone tonite. It was my first time there but others in my party have been there a few times.
We have a nice, but certainly not memorable dinner and am ordering desserts when my friends wife asks for a doggie bag for her meal. She had some sort of chicken on a waffle roll smothered in gravy and had at least half the food left on her plate. The server evidently gave her a strange look and walked away. An older woman comes over ,introduces herself as the operator and tells her they don't do take out, carry out or offer doggie bags. Before anyone can say anything she says if you can't finish your meal, you can't take it with you but you don't have to pay for it. The dinner was $21.99 so the owner said how about I take $10 off.
Strangest thing I've ever seen. One of my friends said this might prevent kitchen staff from loading up their friends to go boxes, and another suggested they save a lot of space by not carrying carry out supplies.
I think it's just Arizona being Arizona.
"I'm reading this thread this morning and for some reason I'm reminded of Will Farrells character from The Office."
I just figured that I would give your own words right back at you for you saying that on the blackjack variance thread. I do not know anything about Will Farrells character from the office, I just figure you thought that the other thread was humorous and a waste of time as I do your dinner story.
Coming from living in NYC and Las Vegas, the cost of living here is ridiculously cheap and the weather is much better than Florida.
Quote: BoSoxI just figure you thought that the other thread was humorous and a waste of time as I do your dinner story.
My Coaches wife told the story of how she became a vegetarian. They had a calf and raised to a steer. Loaded it in the truck and headed for town. She looked at him and those soft brown eyes she sees everytime she sees a steak. 😱
Quote: BoSoxOkay, you want an accurate statement then try this one out it fits perfectly: Forum rule #10 states:
"Betting systems: Methods of varying bet size, based on previous wins and losses, not only can't overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. However, if you're one of the many mathematically ignorant gamblers who think adding up negative numbers can result in a positive one, please keep your comments restricted to the betting systems sty. Betting systems may not be offered for sale anywhere on the site."
Did I offer a "betting system" for sale? Please explain. I am truly curious and puzzled.
Quote: BoSoxNo matter how hard you try you cannot make a negative expectation positive!
The human spirit, condition, ingenuity, intellect, and drive overcomes negative expectations and turns them into positives countless times:
A Black president
A Black female member of Augusta National
Para-Olympian world class athletes
Cancer survivors
and the list goes on. Feel free to assemble your own list.
tuttigym
One Saturday we were sitting on the porch at her farm. The chickens were eating the feed she'd spread out. I ask, "so what is your mom cooking for dinner tomorrow"? She pointed and said THAT one.
Next day, after grace. I look at the chicken being served and then looked at her. She nodded, Yes. I couldnt eat a bite.😲
Quote: tuttigymDid I offer a "betting system" for sale? Please explain. I am truly curious and puzzled.
You should not be curious and puzzled at all considering the quote that you wrote which had everything to do with voodoo theories. Again no disrespect to you personally. Which broke rule #10 and you were told in no uncertain terms to watch what you were saying or take it to the systems board. Administration gave you a break, you should feel fortunate.
Quote: tuttigym
The human spirit, condition, ingenuity, intellect, and drive overcomes negative expectations and turns them into positives countless times:
A Black president
A Black female member of Augusta National
Para-Olympian world class athletes
Cancer survivors
and the list goes on. Feel free to assemble your own list.
tuttigym
The subject matter that you spoke about was the game of craps, and not the dialog that you wrote in the above quote, and you were seriously stretching the rules of the forum. What is it that you do not understand?
a day at the beach in Ocean City, Maryland_______:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores, look look look the food, eat eat eat the food
and then:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores
and then:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores, look look look the food, eat eat eat the food
a really, really exciting day
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Quote: lilredrooster__________
a day at the beach in Ocean City, Maryland_______:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores, look look look the food, eat eat eat the food
and then:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores
and then:
walk walk walk the boards, look look look the people, look look look the stores, look look look the food, eat eat eat the food
a really, really exciting day
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No pictures?
Quote: EvenBobSomebody should update the top contributors section. Fleastiff is never coming back. Nareed has not posted here in 4 years. GWAE has not posted here since March of 2020. The top contributors list should be people who are currently posting and not include people who are dead, or haven't posted in years.
Including yourself, there is a grand total of one person who cares about this, I think.
No reason it should exclude inactive members; in fact even a nuked member should be listed there if their posting numbers so warrant.
Quote: Mission146Including yourself, there is a grand total of one person who cares about this, I think.
As we near the millionth post, I expect people will be very interested in who will get the lucky commemorative prize.
Quote: MrV
No reason it should exclude inactive members;
There is every reason to. If the list includes dead people and people who no longer post then it is meaningless. It's like a list the shows how long it takes to get by motorcar from Chicago to New York City in 1935. Today a list like that is meaningless.
Quote: EvenBobThere is every reason to. If the list includes dead people and people who no longer post then it is meaningless. It's like a list the shows how long it takes to get by motorcar from Chicago to New York City in 1935. Today a list like that is meaningless.
What are you going on about? Should we get rid of all of the dead Presidents from the list of past Presidents? Here is a list of how many times these Top 10 Contributors made a post...it's not like the posts cease to exist because they have either died or stopped posting.
Perhaps we should just erase all their posts and names from the site entirely.Quote: EvenBobThere is every reason to. If the list includes dead people and people who no longer post then it is meaningless. It's like a list the shows how long it takes to get by motorcar from Chicago to New York City in 1935. Today a list like that is meaningless.
If they were a top contributor in the past, I think that still holds, even if they are no longer around. I don't see why their names should be taken off the list. They should be left alone and get pushed off the top of the list naturally, and if that never happens, so be it.
Quote: EvenBobSomebody should update the top contributors section. Fleastiff is never coming back. Nareed has not posted here in 4 years. GWAE has not posted here since March of 2020. The top contributors list should be people who are currently posting and not include people who are dead, or haven't posted in years.
How would you feel if we only counted posts in the last, say, five years? This would significantly cut down your total, but surely elevate your rank.
Quote: WizardHow would you feel if we only counted posts in the last, say, five years? This would significantly cut down your total, but surely elevate your rank.
Refresh the list...just list the top contributors for the current month.
Those contributions are more relevant than the top all-time contributors.
Hide the all-time list wherever you hid the most popular thread.
Anyone who cares so much can find and stare at their name on that list.
Quote: rxwineI think we should only list the 2nd most frequent poster and on down.
In fairness, figure out how many 1 post users in good standing there are, and exclude that many posters from the other end of the bell curve.
Another BBoard site I have used added an "in memoriam" label under passed member's handles. Example:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16393374-post1.html
It is a nice touch and lets others know why a member no longer participates. Of course this requires somebody notifying the site.
lolQuote: rxwineI think we should only list the 2nd most frequent poster and on down.
Let's do that :)
Quote: WizardHow would you feel if we only counted posts in the last, say, five years? This would significantly cut down your total, but surely elevate your rank.
The list of not-recent posters is of monstrous proportions. At this point, you could make the cut-off at 5 years and tidy it up a bit.
What, he's got nothing else to worry about?
Must be nice ...
