2016 Election

Quote: kewlj

Where are you getting your numbers from EB?

The closest I could find was a CNN poll on July 22, 2011

Romney 16
Perry 14
Rudy Giuliani 13
Sarah Palin 13
Michele Bachman 12
Ron Paul 8
Herman Cain 6

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-perry-near-the-top-in-gop-nomination-race/

My recollection is that Herman Cain led one or 2 'outlier' type polls, but it was much earlier in the cycle than this, like in the spring of 2011, and I don't think he EVER had 27%. By this time (july) in the 2011, Romney was leading, although it was a slight lead in most national polls.

Quote: beachbumbabs

FWIW, Cain had 27% and the lead in the 2nd week of October 2011. EB was not far off.

nbc poll

Quote: rxwine

Donald Trump is going to up the ratings for the first Republican debate. That should be a good thing for Republicans unless it really becomes a circus.

Quote: terapined

Actual voters in the 1st 3 primaries should be the process to actually determine the top 10 candidates rather then polling which have been wrong in the past.

Quote: AZDuffman

Meaning what, you cannot have a debate before the election? How would you even do this?

Quote: terapined

You can have a debate before an election.
The problem is conservatives are complaining about how fox determines who the top 10 are that get to debate.
A news outfit can decide to not just report, but involve itself in the process rather then leave the process to the actual voters.
Foxnews will skew the process by determining who the to 10 candidates due to their mystery poll.
The problem is the conservatives in IA SC NH want to determine who the top 10 candidates rather then the Fox mystery poll.
That's why the major newspapers in IA SC NH are staging their own event before the Fox debates to include all candidates.

Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.

Quote: terapined

The Huffington Post has removed all their coverage of Trump from their political section. All Trump stories and coverage can be found in their entertainment section..

Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.

Quote: terapined

You can have a debate before an election.
The problem is conservatives are complaining about how fox determines who the top 10 are that get to debate.
A news outfit can decide to not just report, but involve itself in the process rather then leave the process to the actual voters.
Foxnews will skew the process by determining who the to 10 candidates due to their mystery poll.
The problem is the conservatives in IA SC NH want to determine who the top 10 candidates rather then the Fox mystery poll.
That's why the major newspapers in IA SC NH are staging their own event before the Fox debates to include all candidates.

Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.

Quote: petroglyph

Why is it that everyone can remember him being a POW and not releasing a bomb on the USS Forrestal?

Quote: Boz

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/index.html


America 2015. Poor Martin has to apologize for insulting all blacks by saying "All lives matter". Oh the horror!

And some of you people still have the balls to defend liberalism. Thanks for making my day Mr O!!!!

Quote: SanchoPanza

That is egregiously incorrect. McCain was lucky to flee with his life from his burning A-4E:

"At about 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in an LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on an F-4B Phantom II (believed to be aircraft No. 110 from VF-11[1]), accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external to internal power. The surge, and a missing rocket safety pin, which would have prevented the fail surge, as well as a decision to plug in the "pigtail" system early to increase the number of takeoffs from the carrier, allowed the rocket to launch. (see below). . . .

"The impact of the rocket had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb AN-M65 bombs, which fell to the deck, and lay in the pool of burning fuel between White's aircraft and that of Lieutenant Commander John McCain. Damage Control Team No. 8 swung into action immediately, and Chief Gerald Farrier, recognizing the risk, and without the benefit of protective clothing, immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. The pilots, still strapped into their aircraft, were immediately aware that a disaster was unfolding, but only some were able to escape in time. McCain, pilot of A-4 Skyhawk side No. 416, next to White's, was among the first to notice the flames, and escaped by scrambling down the nose of his A-4 and jumping off the refueling probe shortly before the explosions began." wikipedia

Quote: Boz

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/index.html


America 2015. Poor Martin has to apologize for insulting all blacks by saying "All lives matter". Oh the horror!

And some of you people still have the balls to defend liberalism. Thanks for making my day Mr O!!!!

Quote: Boz

And all those liberals who are defending McCain were the first in line to vote for him as well, right? Didn't think so either.

So they didn't agree with anything he stood for, but they respect he defended this country in a war they hated, right?

Or is it another opportunity to bash someone they fear against Hillary?

Just asking

Quote: petroglyph

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

"A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.

Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources."

Quote: Twirdman

The all lives matter campaign is incredibly stupid and insulting. All lives do matter just like all disease are bad and we should work for a cure, that doesn't mean I'm going to go to a walk for the cure rally and start shouting AIDS is bad to.

Quote: AZDuffman

The point is the blacklivesmatter crew is a circus of racists who could care less how many blacks kill each other. They think white America is the reason for the collapse of such a large part if black society. Fact is whites are far more likely to be killed by a black than the other way around.

Quote: Gandler

In America, everyone is more likely to be killed by a black man.

Quote: Gandler

In America, everyone is more likely to be killed by a black man.

Quote: Twirdman

What? Most crime is intrarracial not interracial so you are most likely to be killed by a member of your own race. Also for races other then black or white they are more likely to be killed by a white perpetrator https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls . So no matter what prism you look through this statement is wrong. I will admit AZD statement is correct. If we look at homicide victims more white homicide victims are targeted by blacks compared to whites targeting blacks.

Quote: Gandler

Right (well partially), but you are missing per capitia scaling.

Blacks make up 13% of the USA population. Even without per capita scaling blacks vastly win over whites in murder rates. When you factor in its 13% of the population versus 77% of the population, the chance of any given black committing a murder is vastly more likely in America on a pure statistical basis.

White on white crime does exist, but given the population difference its a statistical nonissue compared to black on black crime. Which is why saying that in America blacks are more likely to be the murderer is a statistical reality.

Quote: Twirdman

In order you are more likely to be murdered by your own race then anyone else, after that you are more likely to be murdered by a white person, then black, and finally other. . . . Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.

Quote: Twirdman

In terms of a randomly selected person blacks are most likely to be murders then white. Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.

Quote: Twirdman

That isn't what you were saying though. You said people were more likely to be victimized by a black murder that statement is false. That statement blacks are more likely to be murders is true.

In order you are more likely to be murdered by your own race then anyone else, after that you are more likely to be murdered by a white person, then black, and finally other.

In terms of a randomly selected person blacks are most likely to be murders then white. Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.[/q

Leftist Logic 101

Black males; 6% of the population 61% of murderers
The 3 states with the lowest murders (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) are all white with some of the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership rates.
Conclusion-the problem is too many guns.

Quote: bobsims

Quote: Twirdman

That isn't what you were saying though. You said people were more likely to be victimized by a black murder that statement is false. That statement blacks are more likely to be murders is true.

In order you are more likely to be murdered by your own race then anyone else, after that you are more likely to be murdered by a white person, then black, and finally other.

In terms of a randomly selected person blacks are most likely to be murders then white. Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.

Leftist Logic 101

Black males; 6% of the population 61% of murderers
The 3 states with the lowest murders (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) are all white with some of the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership rates.
Conclusion-the problem is too many guns.

Quote: bobsims

Quote: Twirdman

That isn't what you were saying though. You said people were more likely to be victimized by a black murder that statement is false. That statement blacks are more likely to be murders is true.

In order you are more likely to be murdered by your own race then anyone else, after that you are more likely to be murdered by a white person, then black, and finally other.

In terms of a randomly selected person blacks are most likely to be murders then white. Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.

Leftist Logic 101

Black males; 6% of the population 61% of murderers
The 3 states with the lowest murders (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) are all white with some of the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership rates.
Conclusion-the problem is too many guns.

Quote: Twirdman

Blacks do account for a significant portion of crime specifically they account for 52%, not 61%, of murders. They are 13% of the population not 6%.

Quote: twirdman

A criminal justice system unfairly targeting African Americans for drug offenses even though white drug usage is similar to African Americans blacks are arrested at far higher rates.

Quote: SanchoPanza

The 6 percent figures was specified for black males, usually half the population component.
What is the source for this?

Quote: Twirdman

Than the 61% is even more off since the 52% is for all Blacks..

Quote: SanchoPanza

Only if you want to say that black women are as murderous as black men.

Quote: Twirdman

I cannot find any statistics about black men in particular but woman are responsible for 23% of murder so just under a 1/3 ratio. Assuming black woman are similar to all woman black males would then be responsible for 3/4 of the 52% of murders so they are responsible for 39% of murder. 39% is significantly different then 61% and is a much more significant difference than what I originally said which was 52% compared to 61%.

Quote: bobsims

Quote: Twirdman

That isn't what you were saying though. You said people were more likely to be victimized by a black murder that statement is false. That statement blacks are more likely to be murders is true.

In order you are more likely to be murdered by your own race then anyone else, after that you are more likely to be murdered by a white person, then black, and finally other.

In terms of a randomly selected person blacks are most likely to be murders then white. Have to be very careful with your language though if you want to convey the correct meaning.

Leftist Logic 101

Black males; 6% of the population 61% of murderers
The 3 states with the lowest murders (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) are all white with some of the loosest gun laws and highest gun ownership rates.
Conclusion-the problem is too many guns.

Quote: terapined

All these racial stats are totally absurd

Quote:

Take somebody with the heritage of Obama.
If that person murders somebody, it goes in the book as a black.
Yet he is 1/2 white.
Tiger Woods is 1/2 Thai yet somebody with his background murders, goes in the book as Black.
All these racial stats are complete BS statistics.
They do not take into account the diversity of the racial makeup of many Americans such as Me or Tiger or Obama.
Say I kill somebody, what do they classify my race as, other? Its the box I am left checking most of my life.

Quote: ams288

This deserves the award for biggest "complete nonsense and total B.S." post of the year.

Congrats!!!

Quote: Gandler

His stats are off. change blacks to 13%

But the gun point is spot on.

Quote: Gandler

His stats are off. change blacks to 13%

But the gun point is spot on.

Quote: terapined

All these racial stats are totally absurd. Take somebody with the heritage of Obama. If that person murders somebody, it goes in the book as a black. Yet he is 1/2 white. Tiger Woods is 1/2 Thai yet somebody with his background murders, goes in the book as Black. All these racial stats are complete BS statistics. They do not take into account the diversity of the racial makeup of many Americans such as Me or Tiger or Obama. Say I kill somebody, what do they classify my race as, other? Its the box I am left checking most of my life.

Quote: SanchoPanza

You're right about the classifications etc. being screwy. But it's a key part of the social engineering "game" the left insists on running. Another glaring example of that is how Hispanic people, the vast majority of whom are called "white," are classified: "According to a 2009 report by the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2007 Latinos "accounted for 40% of all sentenced federal offenders-more than triple their share (13%) of the total U.S. adult population". This was an increase from 24% in 1991. 72% of the Latino offenders were not U.S. citizens. For Hispanic offenders sentenced in federal courts, 48% were immigration offenses and 37% drug offenses. One reason for the large increase in immigration offenses is that they exclusively fall under federal jurisdiction.[40]wikipedia

Quote: terapined

In a previous post you said 7% of the country multiracial?

Quote:

The racial classification , is the person determining this have a lot of choices? I usually pick other as the most accurate answer.
How many crimes are committed by the "other" racial class?

Quote: AZDuffman

[]Pew ESTIMATES that 6.9 percent of the U.S. population COULD be considered multiracial,


Bottom line is that it is not a major skew on the numbers.

Quote: terapined

Some guy just thinks up 6.9, admits its an estimate then uses the word "could"
The foundation has crumbled lol

Quote:

Again, I ask Hispanic marries a black, has a child. That child commits a crime, what's the race of the child?

Quote: AZDuffman

No. A research center polled to figure it out. It said "could" because multiracial people do not always directly identify as such, so probing questions are asked. For example, Korean and Japanese culture puts a huge stigma on "mixed" kids. So if such a person is asked they might not admit to their "white blood." Follow-up questions are asked. .

Quote: AZDuffman

The FBI does not have it broken out. I already answered my best guess. If you want a cynical guess, the FBI will put it in the most PC way, assigning the crime to white, aisan, and hispanic in that order before the other. But again, it does not matter all that much as first it should even out over a nation. Second, the trend has been there for decades on which race commits more crime.

Now, I would be happy to end collection of race data in the USA 100%. But liberals will never allow it as it means no more affirmative action, no more diversity, and no more racial favors. They prefer a Balkanized society, with races hating each other like on a prison yard. If you doubt this, look at who was against the Racial Privacy Initiative in CA some years back.

Quote: terapined

How is race determined in all your stats, is it a glance or is somebody asking questions about heritage before checking off the box.

Quote: terapined

The racial classification , is the person determining this have a lot of choices? I usually pick other as the most accurate answer. How many crimes are committed by the "other" racial class?