2016 Election
Quote: EvenBobThe people on the Left say they're 'giddy'
with happiness today, Trump won. He's
the easiest to beat for Hill, they say.
Really? The Clinton campaign, not a super
pac, spent over $5 mil on Trump attack ads,
more than any other candidate. Do you do
that to people you claim you WANT to run
against? Heck no you don't, you spend zero
money on them.
If she spent more than anybody else, it means
she DOES NOT want to run against him. She
knows he'll embarrass her, get in her face,
bring up every subject in her past she wants
to avoid. It's an uphill battle for her now. If
she can avoid being indicted, that is. It's always
something if your name is Clinton.
Nonsense.
Hillary knows she will be the nominee. It's a waste to spend money on ads attacking Sanders. Plus that only divides the party.
It's been pretty clear for weeks that Trump was likely to be the nominee. Who else is she gonna put attack ads out against? John Kasich? lol
Fear not.
It hopefully won't get as bad as you imagine it might.
Prolly wont make fun of her butt, but he might.
De man full of surprises;-!
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI don't think the Donald has really brought his money into play yet.
Fear not.
It hopefully won't get as bad as you imagine it might.
Prolly wont make fun of her butt, but he might.
De man full of surprises;-!
I'm sure many on the left are praying he makes fun of her age, looks, butt, etc.
He can't control himself. I'm sure he will say something awful at some point.
It will only dig his hole with women voters deeper.
I almost asked who could join me, then I changed my mind.
Quote: ams288Hillary knows she will be the nominee.
Assuming that's true, if the "Bernie Bros" were smart, they'd stop trying to figure out ways to start a convention floor fight in Philadelphia and start working on how to get the Sanders platform into law.
Step one: find the House candidates that are "Bernie-friendly" and would be willing to support his ideas over President Clinton's.
Step two: get them elected - they have to make sure that the voters who came out for the rallies, the caucuses, and the primaries don't stay home and sulk because Bernie's not on the ballot. In a way, he is on the ballot.
Step three: introduce a budget in the house that, among other things, includes free public school tuition (although I am still wondering what stops the schools from then charging, say, $100,000 per student).
Step four: either he doesn't have enough support in Congress to do this, in which case, what makes anybody think he would have had it as President, or he does, in which case it's put on Clinton's desk - "Your move, Madam President."
Ranking countries strictly on population ( nothing to do with Strictly Ap ), it seems;
#1 - China
#2 - India
#3 - USA
#4 - Pakistan
#5 - I forget now
Holy cow manure! (In India it's semi holy anyway )
I truly had no idea that the USA would place that that high (low) on the scale. Close the freakin' border.
I thought there were a couple million displaced cowboys/Indians in the USA.
But noooooo, no no no, we right up there with the big boys (and girls, not calling our girls big just talkin' population #'s.). Couple hundred years ago was just my tribe, few thousand, and a handful of other tribes, handful x few thousand = a handful of few thousands. Now, now we are competing with hundreds of millions, even billions? Damnation, someone should have drawn a line in the sand on the shore. I would have, quite possibly. We'll never know.......
Work calls now, to be continued...........
Quote: beachbumbabsIf Hillary were to really game Trump in the general, she would pick Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Landslide.
I doubt Condi would serve under her, more chance of Trump picking her. Powell has lost a lot of credibility over the years. What would picking him do, give her 98% of the black vote instead of 97%?
Is there a procedure in place to choose another nominee if one dies or withdraws post-convention?
Quote: EvenBobThe people on the Left say they're 'giddy'
with happiness today, Trump won. He's
the easiest to beat for Hill, they say.
Really? The Clinton campaign, not a super
pac, spent over $5 mil on Trump attack ads,
more than any other candidate. Do you do
that to people you claim you WANT to run
against? Heck no you don't, you spend zero
money on them.
If she spent more than anybody else, it means
she DOES NOT want to run against him. She
knows he'll embarrass her, get in her face,
bring up every subject in her past she wants
to avoid. It's an uphill battle for her now. If
she can avoid being indicted, that is. It's always
something if your name is Clinton.
Its called running a smart campaign
Any smart campaign operates on about to lose factors.
You assume no votes and you operate on that.
Even if you are way ahead, a smart campaign does not sit back and relax.
You leave no stone unturned.
You not only spend money on any factor that will help you, you spend money on what might help you
You never run a campaign assuming you are going to win such as Eric Cantor who lost.
You campaign not only to win, you campaign to crush
Its going to come down to Florida.
If take Clinton takes Florida, its all over for Trump. Game over.
If Trump takes FL, he still needs a lot of other battle ground states.
Clinton just needs FL, any other battle ground state she wins is just icing on the cake
There is not much to prevent a deposition or even findings and legal action before the convention. After all, by all accounts her inner circle of aides, Abedin, Mills, Sullivan and Kennedy, have already had their emails released and have subsequently been questioned.Quote: MichaelBluejayIs there a procedure in place to choose another nominee if one dies or withdraws post-convention?
Quote: terapined
You not only spend money on any factor that will help you, you spend money on what might help you
You don't make any sense. The Left says
over and over that they WANTED Trump
to win, they love the idea of him against
Hillary. Yet here's Hillary, spending the
most of any candidate on anti Trump ads
to keep him from being nominated!
You can't have it both ways. Money always
talks and BS always walks. They made it
OBVIOUS that Hillary is scared crapless of
Trump, just like everybody on the Right
was scared of him. Criticize The Donald
and he doubles down on giving it back
to you. He's not a politician, you can't
deal with him that way. Trump will force
Hillary to come down to his level, or
she won't stand a chance. And no woman
looks good at that level.
Quote: MichaelBluejayClinton may be deposed in the email case. Like I said, this could blow up for her and give us President Trump.
Is there a procedure in place to choose another nominee if one dies or withdraws post-convention?
It has happened at the Senate level. I forget where but the Democrats wanted to remove someone who it was clear would lose. IIRC the courts let them, saying the spot on the ballot belonged to the party not the person. Or something like that. This was late-1990s IIRC.
As a guess it might end up state by state. If a candidate dies more than a few days before I would guess they would move the VP slot up to avoid a Constitutional crisis. She may not be able to just quit if defeat is certain. Candidates have run from prison in our lifetimes.
IMHO the fact that the server was in her home in the first place is enough to charge her. Anyone who has worked in any kind of secure environment knows this is a no-no. I am not even supposed to use my personal phone to call a client. Then there is retention policy, which she violated. The media should have taken her down last year on all of this.
Quote: AZDuffman
IMHO the fact that the server was in her home in the first place is enough to charge her..
Gucifer, the hacker, said today he hacked
Hill's email several times, easy peasy. he
said that while he was in there, he saw
at least 10 other IP's from all over the
world that had hacked or were hacking
her. The FBI has him and his computers
and should be able to verify if this is
true or not. If this was a Republican, it
would be on cable news 24/7.
Quote: EvenBobGucifer, the hacker, said today he hacked
Hill's email several times, easy peasy. he
said that while he was in there, he saw
at least 10 other IP's from all over the
world that had hacked or were hacking
her. The FBI has him and his computers
and should be able to verify if this is
true or not. If this was a Republican, it
would be on cable news 24/7.
The more and more I think about it the more I think she was not smart enough to understand the risk of doing what she did. There is an entire underworld that shares info like the IP address of her server. She clearly did it because she did not want her emails on record. She would understand that. Email brought down Oliver North way back, many others since then, Protecting herself was more important to her than protecting State business.
Quote:Gucifer, the hacker, said today he hacked
Hill's email several times, easy peasy. he
said that while he was in there, he saw
at least 10 other IP's from all over the
world that had hacked or were hacking
her. The FBI has him and his computers
and should be able to verify if this is
true or not. If this was a Republican, it
would be on cable news 24/7.
Hillary either doesn't care about state's secrets, or she's blissfully ignorant and incompetent. Either way, she doesn't look like a good candidate for president.
Quote: KeyserHillary either doesn't care about state's secrets, or she's blissfully ignorant and incompetent. Either way, she doesn't look like a good candidate for president.
Not to get all biblical or anything, but the Democrats seem to be noticing the spec in the eye of their opponent but not the log in their own eye.
Trump is a horrible candidate for President but the Republicans had no one that represented change from the status quo, so that is what it is...he won.
Hillary was strongly opposed by Bernie, but the selection system the party uses gave her a leg up that Bernie never had much of a chance at overcoming. He was at a huge deficit before he even got the first vote...
Hillary is a bad candidate, too. The main reason to vote for either candidate is easy--"because I didn't want to vote for _____________"....
Her defenders may rush to defend her, but she is unpopular in general for a reason.
Quote: MichaelBluejayBack on topic, how about this scenario: Convention happens, then Clinton gets indicted and drops out, there's no procedure in place for the Dems to choose another candidate (assumption), and so Bernie runs as an Independent.
Or how about this scenario
Trump is getting creamed in the polls due to millennials, Hispanics and Women.
He decides to stay on the ballots but does not campaign
I can see Trump saying something like this
"I'm a business man. I'm not going to throw good money after bad money. Besides I'm the winner, I've donated to the Clintons in the past so in the end I still win"
That leaves the polling murky. While, it seems unlikely Bernie votes would go to Trump, they also can't all necessarily counted for Hillary. Some may stay home.
He's really into Libertarian Gary Johnson and keeps posting stuff about him.
#FeelTheJohnson
I just bite my tongue and hope he does vote for Johnson. Because in reality all that does is help Hillary.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-trump-wrong-2016-5
Silver got everything wrong about Trump since
last summer. Now we're supposed to believe
he can tell us who'll win in November? I don't
think so. And the UK bookies had Trump winning
at 50,000 to 1 odds at one time last year. They
got it totally wrong too. Oops..
Quote: EvenBobNATE SILVER: 'We basically got the Republican race wrong'
http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-trump-wrong-2016-5
Silver got everything wrong about Trump since
last summer. Now we're supposed to believe
he can tell us who'll win in November? I don't
think so. And the UK bookies had Trump winning
at 50,000 to 1 odds at one time last year. They
got it totally wrong too. Oops..
Many of us are old enough to remember how wrong you were about everything related to the 2012 election.
Please forgive us if we ignore your Trump cheerleading for the next 6 months.
I predict that after also the election, youze will still be going at in here as far as "ignoring" each other. Is there no compromise in here between not getting any sun, and bicycling a hundred miles or so every other day?Quote: ams288Please forgive us if we ignore your Trump cheerleading for the next 6 months.
I'm still trying to breathe, it's not easy....
I'm going to lay down on the floor again, I hope I live thru this......;-)
he's written a lot about Trump in the last year,
a ton, as they say. And 95% of it was doom and
gloom. He was absolutely convinced Trump
was dead meat. All his charts and graphs and
polls pointed in that direction. But he was totally
wrong. Now what. He's supposedly the gold
standard in the business. Who will ever trust
him again. It happened to Dick Morris in 2012.
He predicted Romney in a landslide. Romney
lost and Dick Morris disappeared from cable
news.
Donald Trump’s Six Stages Of Doom
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
"So, how do I wind up with that 2 percent estimate of Trump’s nomination chances? It’s what you get3 if you assume he has a 50 percent chance of surviving each subsequent stage of the gantlet.4 Tonight’s debate could prove to be the beginning of the end for Trump, or he could remain a factor for months to come. But he’s almost certainly doomed, sooner or later."
Yes, he was wrong, and that hurts his credibility. But you were wildly wrong, too. Why shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you say we should apply to Nate Silver?Quote: EvenBobBut he [Nate Silver] was totally wrong....Who will ever trust him again?
I'm not JB. He's JB and I'm MBJ. He's a fantastic programmer; the free-play games he did for the Wizard with only Javascript are phenomenal.Quote: WizardofnothingAlways thought you were jb- who is jb? And where has he gone?
Donald Trump tweets a photo of himself eating a taco bowl and says "I love Hispanics!"
The conspiracy theory that he is secretly a Democrat running to tank the GOP becomes more plausible by the minute...
Quote: SOOPOOIs there any forum member that does not think that Hilary Clinton will be the next President?
Yes, I still believe Trump will win.
Quote: MichaelBluejayYes, he was wrong, and that hurts his credibility. But you were wildly wrong, too. Why shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you say we should apply to Nate Silver?Quote: EvenBobBut he [Nate Silver] was totally wrong....Who will ever trust him again?
Oh, you absolutely should. My predictions are
based mostly on emotion, if I like or dislike
somebody. I'm flattered that you thought they
were in the scientific deduction range of a
Nate Silver. I didn't know you thought so highly
of me.
Quote: MichaelBluejayYes, [Nate Silver] was wrong, and that hurts his credibility. But you were wildly wrong, too. Why shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you say we should apply to Nate Silver?
Well, kudos on admitting that we should take your predictions with a grain of salt. But I never suggested that your comments were expert, only that if we're supposed to discount someone's opinions when they have a history of being very wrong, that should apply to you too.Quote: EveBobOh, you absolutely should. My predictions are based mostly on emotion, if I like or dislike somebody. I'm flattered that you thought they were in the scientific deduction range of a Nate Silver. I didn't know you thought so highly of me.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWell, kudos on admitting that we should take your predictions with a grain of salt. But I never suggested that your comments were expert, only that if we're supposed to discount someone's opinions when they have a history of being very wrong, that should apply to you too.Quote: MichaelBluejayYes, [Nate Silver] was wrong, and that hurts his credibility. But you were wildly wrong, too. Why shouldn't we apply the same standard to you that you say we should apply to Nate Silver?
Everyone pretty much discounted EB's predictions and no one, including EB himself, really cares that they did from the way it sounds.
Silver? His livelihood is derived from making good predictions. There is a huge difference between the two...
Quote: RonC
Silver? His livelihood is derived from making good predictions.
Go and read his site for the last 9 months.
When it's your business to be accurate,
when they hire you to be accurate, it's
devastating to be this wrong on something
so important. Dick Morris never recovered.
He's still around, but when was the last
time you saw him asked about anything.
Quote: EvenBobGo and read his site for the last 9 months.
When it's your business to be accurate,
when they hire you to be accurate, it's
devastating to be this wrong on something
so important. Dick Morris never recovered.
He's still around, but when was the last
time you saw him asked about anything.
I agree 100%...not nearly the same as you. me or anyone else here being wrong on predicting elections (except people betting the race...they can be destroyed by being wrong too often also...)
Quote: mcallister3200Who is Dick Morris? And kerkebet is getting pretty annoying.
For a while he was Bill Clinton campaign manager.
His tenure was cut short two months before the election, when it was revealed that he had allowed a prostitute to listen in on conversations with the President.
Quote: mcallister3200Who is Dick Morris?
My point exactly. 4 years ago he was on Fox
every single day. Haven't seen him since.
Maybe he won't need a server to get in trouble; just his mouth.
Quote: rxwineBut they are worried just how much to brief Trump since he might blert something out.
Is there a source for this? Are they equally as worried about what Hillary might say to the foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation?
Quote: AZDuffmanIs there a source for this? Are they equally as worried about what Hillary might say to the foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-says-hillary-can-handle-classified-214434331.html
The real source is common sense. Trump speaks off the cuff. Who knows what that idiot might let slip out at one of his rallies.
Quote: rxwineApparently once you have a nominee, some limited intelligence briefings start. But they are worried just how much to brief Trump since he might blert something out.
Perhaps they are more comfortable briefing Hillary because they feel she is an expert on limited intelligence.
Quote: rxwineBut they are worried just how much to brief Trump since he might blert something out.
.
lol! Yeah, Trump got to the top of
his field in business, is a multi
billionaire, because he can't keep
secrets and is always shooting his
mouth off. Do you have any idea
how much secretive behind closed
doors deal making goes on at
Trump's level? When the slightest
leak could ruin a deal worth hundreds
of millions?
Better to be worried about a woman
so stupid, so clueless, that she ran all
her top secrets on an easily hackable
private email server when she was
secretary of state. Do you Dem people
make any attempts to follow the news?
Quote: EvenBobDo you Dem people
make any attempts to follow the news?
I didn't waste my time on the Ted Cruz sex scandal, like some people, no.
Quote: rxwineI didn't waste my time on the Ted Cruz sex scandal, like some people, no.
It's still going on, we're waiting for Cruz to
sue for $100 million dollars, which he would
easily win if he's innocent. But he's not doing
that, is he.
Another reasonable interpretation is that Cruz is just not as lawsuit-happy as Trump. Not everyone tries to solve all problems, real and imagined, through lawsuits. Trump threatened to sue Cruz, but didn't follow through. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/17/trump-just-threatened-sue-cruz-cruzs-response-file-lawsuit/80515232/Quote: EvenBobIt's still going on, we're waiting for Cruz to sue for $100 million dollars, which he would easily win if he's innocent. But he's not doing that, is he.
Quote: EvenBobIt's still going on, we're waiting for Cruz to
sue for $100 million dollars, which he wouldin
easily win if he's innocent. But he's not doing
that, is he.
And still waiting for Trump to release his tax returns. His lying is actually worse than lyin' Teds.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/
Quote: MichaelBluejayAnother reasonable interpretation is that Cruz is just not as lawsuit-happy
You don't have to be 'lawsuit happy' to sue because
your good name has been maligned. But you do
have to be provably innocent, which Cruz is not.
Did you see what he did there?Quote: EvenBoblol! Yeah, Trump got to the top of
his field in business, is a multi
billionaire, because he can't keep
secrets and is always shooting his
mouth off.
<Big snip>, for brevity
Do you Dem people
make any attempts to follow the news?
Don't let him sneak up behind you with a knife.
Next thing you know, you're laying on your back (bleeding out), and the clouds are passing in the sky above...
And you're watching them.
Then it goes dark....
You should watch Trump closely too.......
He's not exactly Mr Rogers.
I wouldn't want Mr Rogers as my POTUS next year.
Much of the world is too far behind, and they have aspirations.
Too much room in the world for serious bad guys to 'lead their people', lead their people our way.
Maybe Oliver North for VP?
Quote: ams288
The real source is common sense. Trump speaks off the cuff. Who knows what that idiot might let slip out at one of his rallies.
Really? What has he let slip out in the past? Anything on even his own businesses as you say, "slip out?" I haven't seen it. Just because he is intelligent enough not to need a teleprompter everywhere he goes does not mean he does not consider what he says.
OTOH, Hillary for sure cannot be trusted with briefings. She has already shown willful disregard for protecting secrets. She said herself that she is not intelligent enough to even use more than one email. How can she be trusted with briefings?
Exhibit A: Trump says at a rally, about his proposed wall, ""Once they get up there they're in trouble, 'cause there's no way to get down! [pause] Maybe a rope..."Quote: AZDuffmanReally? What has he let slip out in the past? Anything on even his own businesses as you say, "slip out?" I haven't seen it. Just because he is intelligent enough not to need a teleprompter everywhere he goes does not mean he does not consider what he says.
Splendid example of considering what he says before he speaks.
https://youtu.be/CLSnTFneMzI?t=2m45s
That is not the standard for libel involving public figures. The target has to prove in court malicious intent, a high bar that hardly any public figures have achieved.Quote: EvenBobYou don't have to be 'lawsuit happy' to sue because your good name has been maligned. But you dohave to be provably innocent, which Cruz is not.
