Decision 2012
Quote: s2dbakerThis should be funzy if anyone notices. Mitt released his taxes for 2011.
I saw that. The jerk only gave 4mil of the 13mil he made
to charity. What a stingy twerp, he should take some
lessons in giving from Biden and Obama. (snicker)
Quote: EvenBobLOL, thats my point. The ones who did will tell you all
day long on the net, but not in person. In person they
know people are upset, they know the hate factor for
Obama is extreme, so they run the other way.
So your position is that if you drove to Chicago and asked me if I voted for Obama, I would tell you that I didn't?
Quote: EvenBobI saw that. The jerk only gave 4mil of the 13mil he made
to charity. What a stingy twerp, he should take some
lessons in giving from Biden and Obama. (snicker)
Is that more impressive than someone near the poverty level giving 10% of their income , or even 5%? or even 2% or even 1%?
Quote: FinsRuleSo your position is that if you drove to Chicago and asked me if I voted for Obama, I would tell you that I didn't?
Do you mean a set up situation, where you know I'm
coming and you know what to expect? You think thats
the same as confronting a stranger with a bumper
sticker?
Quote: rxwineIs that more impressive than someone near the poverty level giving 10% of their income , or even 5%? or even 2% or even 1%?
Yeah, um, 4mil is 30% of his income. It could be
more, what do Biden and Obama give again, as
a % of their income?
The "charity" that he gave all of that money that he won't miss is the Mormons.Quote: EvenBobI saw that. The jerk only gave 4mil of the 13mil he made
to charity. What a stingy twerp, he should take some
lessons in giving from Biden and Obama. (snicker)
Quote: s2dbakerThe "charity" that he gave all of that money that he won't miss is the Mormons.
Who cares what charity he gives his money to...the point it is that it has been clearly established that he contirbutes to charities (as defined by our tax code) at a much higher rate than Obama or Biden and has done so for years.
Quote: s2dbakerThe "charity" that he gave all of that money that he won't miss is the Mormons.
So what? They only require 10%, not 30%.
So to you people, Romney can give away
almost a third of his earnings, voluntarily,
and he's still a jerk. Amazing.
Quote: WongBo
The "ick" factor? Really?
Homosexuality is present in all societies, throughout all cultures,
So what. So is hunting bunny rabbits and eating them.
Doesn't mean I want to participate or watch it or be
any part of it. Ick..
Quote: RonCWho cares what charity he gives his money to...the point it is that it has been clearly established that he contirbutes to charities (as defined by our tax code) at a much higher rate than Obama or Biden and has done so for years.
I see you in a lot (all?) of these political threads so it surprises me that you haven't grasped a fundamental concept yet. Let me explain: To the Left it's not what you do, it's how you do it.
If Obama or Biden gave a nickel to a Left leaning charity it would negate ANY amount Romney gave to a non-Left leaning charity. It's about appearances, not reality.
How can you be critical of Obama or Biden even if they gave nothing?
Quote: rxwineThe Right shouldn't be impressed with what someone "chooses" to do with their money. Since that what they preach.
How can you be critical of Obama or Biden even if they gave nothing?
Speaking as someone that thinks both sides are a little nuts I think what the Right is reacting to is the fact that the Left is not impressed with Romney's giving as it's the Left that's always going on about how they help people and the Right is full of selfish meanies. But I suppose dismissing an obvious indication of hypocrisy is to be expected.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI see you in a lot (all?) of these political threads so it surprises me that you haven't grasped a fundamental concept yet. Let me explain: To the Left it's not what you do, it's how you do it.
If Obama or Biden gave a nickel to a Left leaning charity it would negate ANY amount Romney gave to a non-Left leaning charity. It's about appearances, not reality.
Oh, I get it...I have the same conversations with my brother-in-law who leans way left; sometimes he "gets" some of it and he has actually admitted that the President is not doing a good job. Changing his vote? not this time...he's still vote for President Obama. It will just not taste as good as it did the last time!!
Last time he and his then-partner, who both have trouble holding jobs for longer than a few months due to some weird entitlement thing that makes them think they should just be able to work when they feel like it, managed to be out in the late evenings joyously posting signs for Obama.
They sure aren't doing that this time...the bloom is off the rose.
Quote: rxwineThe Right shouldn't be impressed with what someone "chooses" to do with their money. Since that what they preach.
How can you be critical of Obama or Biden even if they gave nothing?
It is pretty simple. A person from the Left has a tendency to give away your money while a person on the Right has a tendency to give away their own. It is hard to call someone who gives away millions of dollars to charity "uncaring", but the Left will do it anyway.
It isn't caring nearly as much when the money YOU give away is MINE that you take by raising taxes....
Quote: MonkeyMonkeySpeaking as someone that thinks both sides are a little nuts.
I agree 100% and have even admit that I sometimes go a little over the top...but the Left will not do the same. They'll take my admission and run with it instead of seeing any fault with their team.
Quote: RonCIt is pretty simple. A person from the Left has a tendency to give away your money while a person on the Right has a tendency to give away their own. ..
The Left are basically socialists. During the Spanish
civil war in the 30's, it was about over throwing the
rich and installing a socialist gov't.
Hemingway was there and for all for it. Until he started
to notice that as soon a peasant got ahold of a little
shack and a couple acres of land and a mule, he
dropped out of the war and stayed on his property
to make sure nobody took it from him.
Hemingway was deeply disillusioned when he realized
the peasants were all gung ho until they got a little
something for themselves, then they became greedy
and tight fisted, just like the rich people they were
fighting against.
(I'm totally jinxing it now)Quote: s2dbaker(I'm going to go ahead an jinx it)Quote: EvenBobROTFLMAO!!!Quote: rdw4potusObama is going to win handily, .
Hey Bob, still rolling on the floor there?
Probability of Reaching 270
Democrats 92%
Republicans 7%
Neither (Tie) < 1%
Source
How's that election thing working out for Romney?
Probability of Reaching 270
Democrats 94%
Republicans 5%
Neither (Tie) < 1%
Why? A guy convicted of falsely reporting finding hidden treasure
claims that an angel revealed hidden knowledge on secret golden plates,
And found a religion based on it.
Sounds legit....
Quote: WongBo
And found a religion based on it.
Sounds legit....
Somebody who has a virgin for a mom, walks on
water, raises the dead, changes water into wine,
rose from the grave and will forgive all your sins
if you just ask him. Sounds legit to me.
You forgot the Poe's Law smiley. Let me help.Quote: EvenBobSomebody who has a virgin for a mom, walks on
water, raises the dead, changes water into wine,
rose from the grave and will forgive all your sins
if you just ask him. Sounds legit to me.
of October 27th 1980 had Carter ahead by 45-39.
The polling agencies produce one set of
poll results for their media clients, and another,
far more accurate and expensive set, for
the candidates. Those are the ones we never
see, because the people who pay for the media
polls are unwilling to shell out the dough.
Carter knew he was going to lose, just like Obama
does. Thats why he's getting the compound in
Hawaii ready thats being bought for him. Michelle
has long said they're never going back to Chicago.
Wow, you're not the only one to quote that particular poll on that particular day. It looks like all of Romneyland is desperately trying to cheer on themselves and each other with that polling data. Grab onto that dream, Bob!! Hold onto it for as long as you can!Quote: EvenBobI always have to go back to the Gallup Poll
of October 27th 1980 had Carter ahead by 45-39.
Quote: s2dbakerWow, you're not the only one to quote that particular poll
I've been quoting it for months. Its one of
my fave's. I hated Jimmy Carter with a
passion, the inept fool. Still is, for that matter.
and his minions lied thru their teeth all week about the
terrorist attacks in Libya. They knew all along there were
no protests, yet they lied and said there were. What
I understand happened is, since Bin Laden was killed,
Obama has been spreading the lie that Al Qaeda died
with him and Obama was responsible. They weren't
supposed to attack an embassy and torture and kill our
ambassador, that just makes Obama look bad.
So c'mon, tell us why we need 4 more years of no
foreign policy, lies about everything, and general
incompetence.
So we are left with this: Four Americans were killed in a premeditated terrorist attack on the eleventh anniversary of 9/11, and for more than a week the Obama administration misled the country about what happened.
This isn’t just a problem. It’s a scandal.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/permanent-spin_652887.html
Quote: EvenBob
Carter knew he was going to lose, just like Obama
does.
Bob! Come on!
You REALLY believe Obama KNOWS he is going to lose!
YOU can't really believe that!!!!!
I would surmise that Obama knows he is ahead, and is likely, but not assured of, a win.
He will keep working hard to win.
I hope he loses.
Quote: SOOPOOBob! Come on!
You REALLY believe Obama KNOWS he is going to lose!
.
Knows for sure? He can't. Strongly suspects because
of internal polls? You bet. He has to continue to
campaign strongly because of the other Dem's that
depend on him in their elections. For Obama to win,
about 14 things have to change in the next 45 days.
And instead of that happening, they go and create
an international scandal like EmbassyGate. Talk about
a gift to Romney..
Quote: EvenBobKnows for sure? He can't. Strongly suspects because
of internal polls? You bet. He has to continue to
campaign strongly because of the other Dem's that
depend on him in their elections. For Obama to win,
about 14 things have to change in the next 45 days.
And instead of that happening, they go and create
an international scandal like EmbassyGate. Talk about
a gift to Romney..
You are an interesting dilemma for me, Bob.... I SO think you are wrong, but I SO hope you are right!
Quote: EvenBobThis isn’t just a problem. It’s a scandal.
Quote: the articleCBS News reported late last week: “There was never an anti-American protest outside the consulate.”
That's a bombshell! I did not know that!
PS: if a scandal, the major newspapers are not covering it.
Quote: buzzpaff" This isn’t just a problem. It’s a scandal. " It's Bush's fault for this whole middle east fiasco.
That is the same tired song that those trying to re-elect the President keep repeating. Yes, there were things that may have been President Bush's fault, just like President Reagan had to deal with the aftermath of President Carter. I'm sure to some extent every President has a "mess" of one sort or another to clean up upon entering office.
President Obama told us he wanted to be President to fix the issues that he had with the previous President...economy, health care, immigration, foreign policy, etc.
We didn't ask for an Excuse-Maker in Chief!!
Stand up and take responsibility!!
Quote: SOOPOOYou are an interesting dilemma for me, Bob.... I SO think you are wrong!
Why? People love to say that and they NEVER
give any reasons why. I give lots of reasons
for my position, don't you people have even
one?
Quote: odiousgambitQuote: EvenBobThis isn’t just a problem. It’s a scandal.
PS: if a scandal, the major newspapers are not covering it.
Yeah, and how long did it take them to pick up
on the Monica Lewinsky story? How many WEEKS?
I can not . per Romney I am one of those 47 % victims. Another 72 year old bum collecting Social Security !
Quote: buzzpaff" Stand up and take responsibility!! "
I can not . per Romney I am one of those 47 % victims. Another 72 year old bum collecting Social Security !
Thats not what he meant, nobody thinks SS is a
hand out or an entitlement. Its a program we all
pay into and we all collect from. Once you reach
full retirement, they send you the money whether
you want it or not. You can give it to charity, but
you get it nevertheless. You think everybody on SS
is voting for Obama? Thats ridiculous. SS plays no
favorites, if you worked and paid for at least 10 years,
you will get it if you live long enough.
Quote: buzzpaff" Stand up and take responsibility!! "
I can not . per Romney I am one of those 47 % victims. Another 72 year old bum collecting Social Security !
I'm not talking about you, buzz....I am talking about the President of the United States taking responsibility for continually blaming Bush and not taking responsibility for his performance. It is all someone else's fault...Bush, Republicans, etc.
The buck stops somewhere else...
It is funny...everyone clinging to the 47% thing much more than the "clinging to their guns and bibles" thing of Obama's just a few short years ago. Get over it!! Likely you are not the person he was talking to at all--he made a very poorly worded statement but there are many million people who only desire to take the government cheese with no real ambition to move up the ladder.
If you are pissed off about being lumped in with the 47% in that crappy statement, chances are that you aren't part of what he was talking about. The people he was talking about are proud to be takers. The ones who want to work hard and get ahead? They need to figure out who is going to provide them a better chance to do so...
" many million people who only desire to take the government cheese with no real ambition to move up the ladder. "
And who might these millions be ?
Quote: buzzpaffI do not think he mis-spoke and in fact was preaching to the choir.
So you think he meant all people who collect
SS are in the tank for Obama? You've been
a republican all your life, but as soon as that
first SS check comes, you're now a democrat.
You do realize that nobody can take SS away
from you, right? Not even the IRS? That being
the case, why in god's name would collecting
SS change even one persons vote? It wouldn't
and Romney obviously meant people on the
dole, not SS recipients.
Let me state my position. The FAMILY has maxed out their credit cards. Obama want to get some more credit cards and spend our way out of this mess. Romney wants to work less hours ( cut taxes ) to pay the bills.
I'm skipping this election.
Quote: RonCI'm not talking about you, buzz....I am talking about the President of the United States taking responsibility for continually blaming Bush and not taking responsibility for his performance. It is all someone else's fault...Bush, Republicans, etc.
Obama has already admitted mistakes. Bush went for a long time never admitting any. My memory may be selective sometimes, but so is yours apparently.
For instance, Obama admission was about attacking Ryan when he was in the audience on budget talk, was just a couple weeks ago.
Quote:President Bush, who four years ago couldn’t identify a single mistake by his administration, on Monday ticked off a list of its shortcomings and disappointments, ranging from failures to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to its oft-criticized response to Hurricane Katrina.
Read more: Bush admits mistakes, defends record - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/bush-admits-mistakes-defends-record/#ixzz27JxeHSp5
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Quote: rxwineObama has already admitted mistakes. Bush went for a long time never admitting any. My memory may be selective sometimes, but so is yours apparently.
For instance, Obama admission was about attacking Ryan when he was in the audience on budget talk, was just a couple weeks ago.Quote:President Bush, who four years ago couldn’t identify a single mistake by his administration, on Monday ticked off a list of its shortcomings and disappointments, ranging from failures to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to its oft-criticized response to Hurricane Katrina.
Read more: Bush admits mistakes, defends record - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/bush-admits-mistakes-defends-record/#ixzz27JxeHSp5
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Friend, saying "Bush didn't..." is just another in the line of excuses. Bush was wrong to not admit mistakes earlier. I'm not really talking as much about the mistakes either one of them made--more to the fact that he CONTINUES to allow his message to be sent as "It is Bush's fault..."...
You are the President. You have been for almost four years. Like it or not, what happens now happens on your watch. Your message was that you could fix it. You have not fixed it.
Vote Obama if you feel he is the best. I say he will continue to take us down a road that is not good for the country.
At least he has the economy back on the road, and not in the ditch where Bush left it.
Quote: buzzpaff" I say he will continue to take us down a road that is not good for the country."
At least he has the economy back on the road, and not in the ditch where Bush left it.
Is it really back on track? There is talk of another possible recession and the 8%+ unemployment rate is a over-simplification of the jobs picture (I think the number provided as the "unemployment rate" is false all the time because it leaves out discouraged workers) that has thousands not looking for jobs and thousands more finding "disabilities" that may or may not be valid but would not be claimed if they could find decent jobs.
I don't think he has done nearly the job that needed to be done.
So your answer if put another Republican behind the wheel ? no thanks.
Quote: RonCI don't think he has done nearly the job that needed to be done.
Alternate Obama failure or It could have been a lot worse.
- Obama ignores CDC warnings, pandemic strikes U.S. hard
- Obama says BP doing best it can, not to blame oil company for big oil spill in Gulf of Mexico. Quotes Sarah Palin: "Drill Baby drill!"
- Auto Industry burns through borrowed bucks; unable to pay back anything, asks for several hundred million more.
- Obama says hurricanes enabled him to get in 36 rounds of golf this weekend by staying home. Also saved some gas on Air Force 1. Golf Cart 1 uses less energy.
- Obama supports puppet dictator in our best interests. Mubark continues to beat and fire upon protesters all over Egypt with help from U.S.
- Obama orders strike in Pakistan, engages Pakistan army, wounds and kills many, kills household of family, loses Seal team members, secret helicopter exposed, FAILS to find or kill Osama bin Laden. Brings back some tall dead Pakistani and dumps body in ocean.
- Obama hopes Qadafi overthrown, and U.S. gets some credit, sends message to Britain, saying good luck with that.
- Obama says mission to Mars is waste of money. Bets we never hear from Opportunity.
- Obama agrees with Republicans who says stupid stuff about women. Let's talk about real rape, he says.
- Obama says, lets not listen to scientists. Let's listen to Limbaugh, who knows hot air better than anyone. He's got a point there, everyone admits.
He's the best President ever and there is no way Romney could do better.
Bye!!
Quote: RonCUncle.
He's the best President ever and there is no way Romney could do better.
Bye!!
Just remember Obama in the voting booth. Be sure to vote early and often.
Quote: buzzpaffJust remember Obama in the voting booth.
Thats Obama's biggest problem. People will wonder,
in the booth, what Obama's accomplishments are,
besides adding 6 trillion to the national debt, and
they won't be able to come up with anything. Uh Oh.
Not, that's Mitt's. There is no minimum IQ for voting.
I'll be voting with the 47%
