Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
I do not believe this. Poker dealers usually do not split tips and I have NEVER had a rude or ignorant poker delaer. But BJ dealers in
pooling situations, that is quite a different story.
And you tip something to the restaurant server, especially if you're a regular there. But dealers aren't going to spit on your cards if you don't tip, they're not going to pass you by when you have chips in the betting circle, and giving a big tip is NOT going to get you better cards next time. I couldn't give a shit if the dealer is surly or nice to me, just do your job and deal the cards. I'm not there to make friends, I'm there to make money.
Quote: 24BingoIf the dealer is a dick, sure, don't tip. But tipping under ordinary circumstances is not optional - sure, there won't be legal consequences to it, but dealers, servers, waiters, bartenders - everything is set up under the assumption that they'll be tipped, so if you don't tip them without a damn good reason, that is theft. It doesn't matter that you don't think it should be that way, it is.
Wizard would prolly put me in detention again if I truly spoke my mind on this asinine idea.
Speaking of dickish dealers...I had one Friday night and NO ONE was tipping him for 30-40 minutes till he was tapped out. I only play poker, but Friday I thought I'd unwind at a BJ double-deck game that was dealt face-down. I sat, and immediately there was a set-up change. Fine, I waited. First hand I got I reached down and peeked at my cards the way any poker player does and dealer screamed at me "Hey! Stop bending the cards! God dammit, we just changed 'em! FLOOR!" Floor comes over and dealer whines the same lines to him. Floor looks at me and says "These aren't poker cards, don't bend them." "Okay" I say. After that, the dealer pitched cards off the table 3 times to me, ogled the pretty girls walking by and shouted "Seat open here Miss!", or if he liked her revealing top, he'd shout "Hoooo, boy, purple's my favorite color! Seat open!", (one time he even called the floor over to compare one girl walking by to "Jennifer", whoever she is), he watched the game on TV, he openly mocked players who couldn't add or acted too slowly. His small talk during the game was asking everyone's favorite movie western (or comedy, then our favorite prison movie), and then telling whoever answered why his choice was stupid. At one point, someone else had bent a card, and he called the floor over again. I said "Isn't me this time", and he answered "I know. It was this doofus over here." as he motioned to a guy seated in the center. This idiot's arrogance, unprofessionalism and immaturity had me rolling my eyes at the depths he was willing to sink, and of course I never tipped him. No one did, ever.
Quote: SOOPOOThe problem with casino dealer tipping is that the tip does not go to the person who deserves it, but rather into a vat which is their wage pool. The snarly mean dealer gets the same benefit from your tip as the nice one you WANT to tip. The casino does NOT let you actually tip a dealer, they let you put money into a pot for all dealers to share. This is the BIG difference between tipping a dealer and tipping the cocktail waitress, or restaurant waitress.
At Casino Arizona, the dealers would bring their personal tip boxes with them as they changed tables. I assumed that meant the tips weren't pooled, but I may be mistaken. At least all the dealers were friendly there. And at some restaurants, waitstaff tips ARE pooled. I would personally not want to work that way, having worked with some slack-ass waitpersons before.
Quote: zippyboyWhy is everyone talking about waitresses? This thread is about dealers, people. Obviously you tip a cocktail waitress a buck for your beer or she'll never come around again, and you can take your cheap ass up to the bar and pay $8 for one yourself.
And you tip something to the restaurant server, especially if you're a regular there. But dealers aren't going to spit on your cards if you don't tip, they're not going to pass you by when you have chips in the betting circle, and giving a big tip is NOT going to get you better cards next time. I couldn't give a shit if the dealer is surly or nice to me, just do your job and deal the cards. I'm not there to make friends, I'm there to make money.
That right there - that's what I mean when I say tipping isn't optional. Not tipping dealers if they're jackasses is one thing, but not tipping dealers because there's little or no consequence to stiffing them is a lousy attitude to take, and yes, ethically tantamount to theft.
(And SOOPOO: while it's never fair to punish or reward an aggregate for the individual's merits, that's what ends up happening a lot in life, and it's no reason to screw them all - or reward them all, either. Besides, a lot of restaurants pool their tips, too, and not all casinos.)
Quote: SOOPOOThe problem with casino dealer tipping is that the tip does not go to the person who deserves it, but rather into a vat which is their wage pool. The snarly mean dealer gets the same benefit from your tip as the nice one you WANT to tip. The casino does NOT let you actually tip a dealer, they let you put money into a pot for all dealers to share. This is the BIG difference between tipping a dealer and tipping the cocktail waitress, or restaurant waitress.
As it works out, pooled tips still have an incentive effect of helping dealer's attitudes.
First of all, all gratuity income is known to be based on courteous service, so that incentive always remains, pooled or not.
Secondly, dead-beat dealers hear from the hard-working dealers about "stepping up service - as you're killing us all."
I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.
To this, I usually say,
1. "If I could stack the cards, we'd start a business, wearing Orange jump suits" or
2. "You don't have to tip, and you don't need to explain yourself if you don't tip. Just play."
Other dealers are more direct if a non-tipper tries to explain his cheapness:
"Tipping is like sex: you either do it, or you talk about it."
Basically, there are three types of players on this subject:
1. Tippers;
2. Stiffs,
3. and the talkers.
Personally, if a player is well-behaved and a good player, I am little concerned if he tips or not, knowing that 90% of our tips come from 10% of the players.
The last thing I ever do it worry about tips. I figure, if I pay attention to my game and my players, the tips take care of themselves, - and they do.
Most people in a casino aren't poor, though many may be cheap, but it is not something to ever worry about so as long as you take care of your table and your players. Comes with the territory, what else is new.
Up until a few years ago it was illegal to tip dealers in the UK (or indeed for them to "fraternise" with customers in any way). The rules were very strict, it was a sack-able offence, and they weren't even allowed to say hello to you outside the casino unless you did first. One dealer nearly lost their job offering an elderly punter a lift home.Quote: 24Bingo...it's customary to tip dealers.
We have high street and racetrack bookmakers; and you would never even consider tipping a bookie. Indeed, I'm not a big punter so wouldn't know, but I would expect him to treat his largest punters to something for Christmas. Similarly my local casino sometimes buys their punters a drink or pays for their taxis home, in the old days we even received free meals occasionally.
The dealers I know in the UK are obviously happy that they can now receive tips, but I'm glad to say that rather than expecting them they are appreciative of any that come. Also usually there's no expression of disappointment or expectation. So I have tipped dealers if I've enjoyed the game, had a fun time and usually a good atmosphere built up amongst the table I was playing. However I also find it quite offensive if a dealer pays with two 2.50s after a Blackjack expecting a tip.
As a question - I imagine there are some here who can actually eek out a profit (or reduce their losses to negligible) through various counting or strategy techniques. What would be the point of playing if you were, expected to hand over most of your advantage as tips? Surely it makes it pointless playing?
I like to think a tip is either a personal appreciation for a job well done or, say at a bar, an advance payment to ensure you are served well and have an enjoyable evening. Thus I can see the logic of tipping a craps dealer up front.
PS I will always tip the waitress even if it's only just a plastic cup coffee.
Quote: charliepatrickAs a question - I imagine there are some here who can actually eek out a profit (or reduce their losses to negligible) through various counting or strategy techniques. What would be the point of playing if you were, expected to hand over most of your advantage as tips? Surely it makes it pointless playing?
First of all, most gambling sessisons are of a recreational nature for the player, and not of a business enterprise or income-generating nature. Similar to dining out, when we can eat at home, we want to have enjoyment and be serviced, in a polite way. [ahem...]
Secondly, some winning sessions are of a windfall profit: you hit a Royal, or go on an amazing streak. You have got to admit most sessions aren't of a "well, I made $10 on my $500, better lock that in!" nature.There are of course card-counting "grinders" seeking to obtain a small profit on a consistent basis by any means possible, but they are not a part of the recreational gambler realm who is out on the town for the night. From the grinders, we don't expect tips, just headaches, and are seldom dissapointed. Again, we get 90% of our tips from 10% of the players.
That is the spirit of a tip.Quote: charliepatrickI like to think a tip is either a personal appreciation for a job well done or, say at a bar, an advance payment to ensure you are served well and have an enjoyable evening. Thus I can see the logic of tipping a craps dealer up front.
Quote: Hunterhill24Bingo, Let me take a wild guess are you a dealer?
I imagine if I were a dealer I'd want you to tip the jackasses.
Quote: PaigowdanI was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.
This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.
When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.
Quote: zippyboyQuote: PaigowdanI was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.
This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.
When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.
Zippy, you don't tip "for better cards," and for that matter, the waitress doesn't cook the food you eat either, - and so tipping her won't get you better food.
You tip for the service provided, if you want to, or feel it merits it.
The people who provide face-to-face service to the general public generally have real hard jobs that require a good deal of work: waiters, dealers, drivers, etc.
Anyway, this @$$clown of a dealer would just give her absolute garbage for advice when she asked for advice. You could tell he was a pretty sharp cat, too, I have no idea what his problem was. He would be showing a five when she'd have a total of sixteen, she'd ask what to do, and he'd tell her she should hit because if she stands and he gets seventeen or better he will win. They were eights, in one case!!! I tried to tell her to split the eights, but she wouldn't listen to me, she trusted the dealer because he was the dealer.
I sat there and played with her until she was ready to leave, and when she left, I also left that @$$clown's table. I got his name off his nametag, though, and you better believe I called the casino the next day and told them all about it.
For the record, I believe in tipping people who I'll see often and provide a friendly service, and can deny service if I don't tip. CWs are tipped of course, and restaurant waitstaff because I don't want her to ignore me when my iced tea needs refilling next visit. I know the waitress doesn't cook my food, but she shares that tip with the cook and busboy, or is supposed to anyway. I tip a barber I see often because I don't want him to snub me or give me a shoddy job next haircut. I don't tip a taxi driver. Why would I? I pay for a direct route, which I may not even receive, he may be excessively talkative or tell racist jokes trying to gain my graces, and I'll never see him again anyway...gotta be the biggest waste of money tipping a cabbie. I feel the same about dealers. They have a job to do, and I don't care if they're nice to me or not. If they suck at it, they won't have a job for long. And it's not MY responsibility to supplement their salaries! To all you people who think it's stealing not to tip must be spineless wimps too afraid to assert yourselves. Or rich. Dan, you're different being a dealer yourself; I can understand your motivation to inspire others to tip, but it's a waste of money to tip dealers. I DO tip a poker dealer on occasion when the pot is big, and we've built up a relationship because I'm there a lot, but I resent it.
Quote: zippyboyI see your point Dan. But, we don't tip everyone in the service industry, do we? Why don't we tip the Vons checkout girl who interacts with us pleasantly? Why don't we tip the bank teller, who just hands us our own money, same as the cash cage attendant? The spa masseuse wants a tip, but not the car mechanic? I have to tip the barber but not the mailman? Tip the waitress at the diner, but not the cook?
How about doctors? Lawyers? Teachers? Architects? Bus drivers? Railroad engineers? Airline pilots? Stewardesses? etc...etc......etc
LOL
Quote: zippyboyThere's no continuity or reason to it at all. So I urge all of you to think for yourselves and not follow some dumb "custom" just because others do it. Think for yourselves.
You'd make an excellent king in a desert.
Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.
Quote: 24BingoYou'd make an excellent king in a desert.
Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.
Taxation without representation was customary
Female genital mutilation is customary
Slavery was customary
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Quote: buzzpaff" Stewardesses? " you did tip her, didn't you. Don't Lie !
They tip me! lol
Quote: aceofspadesTaxation without representation was customary
Female genital mutilation is customary
Slavery was customary
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All right, then. Live your life as though they aren't/weren't, and see how it works out.
Pocket taxes you've collected from others, since the crown doesn't deserve them.
Go down on a woman in the exact manner you would if she were whole, since she should be.
When you encounter a slave, act as though he had the wages and freedoms of a hired hand, since he should.
Quote: 24BingoAll right, then. Live your life as though they aren't/weren't, and see how it works out.
Pocket taxes you've collected from others, since the crown doesn't deserve them.
Go down on a woman in the exact manner you would if she were whole, since she should be.
When you encounter a slave, act as though he had the wages and freedoms of a hired hand, since he should.
Uhmmmm - I think you missed the point, which was "merely because something is customary does not make it right or moral"
Quote: PaigowdanQuote: zippyboyQuote: PaigowdanI was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.
This is exactly my point. Tipping will not get me better cards. I never cuss the dealer for bad cards, and I never credit them for good cards, but I sometimes tip a buck, though I resent it. When I win a pot, it could be because I played it well and has NOTHING to do with the dealer at all. Why should the dealer get a buck because I raised preflop with my 63 offsuit and played it aggressively and won. Nothing at all to do with the dealer. I laugh at the sheeple who want to look like whales and tip extra for no reason.
When I leave the poker table, a always say "Good luck everyone" and leave quietly.
Zippy, you don't tip "for better cards," and for that matter, the waitress doesn't cook the food you eat either, - and so tipping her won't get you better food.
You tip for the service provided, if you want to, or feel it merits it.
The people who provide face-to-face service to the general public generally have real hard jobs that require a good deal of work: waiters, dealers, drivers, etc.
Hard jobs? I did construction for12 years the jobs included hanging sheet rock and concrete foundation work. Im struggling with what you perceive to be a hard job. There are a lot of people in this world doing hard jobs. No offense but casino dealer, wait person, cabbie,I'm thinking wouldn't be close to the top of the list if there was one.
Quote: 24BingoYou'd make an excellent king in a desert.
Whatever you think of it, you're gambling in a place where it's expected that dealers will be tipped, and the world around them is set up for them under the assumption that decent service gets tips. In the UK, by all means, stiff 'em, but here, while you're giving your beautiful exhortations to "think for yourselves," you're living in the real world, and screwing over your fellow humans. Sure, it's an arbitrary tradition, but when you get right down to it, they all are, and yet, when they've become entrenched, you don't have to like them, and you don't even always have to follow them, but you can't pretend they're not there, and if you don't follow them, you can't pretend not to be doing what you know you are. Especially at the poker table (or in a cab), the only difference between what you are doing and picking the dealer's pocket is that you won't be arrested, and if that's the basis of your morals, fine. From your rants that boil down to "I tip when it directly and obviously helps wonderful, beautiful me!" I get the feeling that's not far off.
Wow, how articulate. Not. But you get an "A" for your copious use of commas. Condense it, put down the pipe, and get back to us with an eloquent argument anytime.
Quote: rainmanHard jobs? I did construction for12 years the jobs included hanging sheet rock and concrete foundation work. Im struggling with what you perceive to be a hard job. There are a lot of people in this world doing hard jobs. No offense but casino dealer, wait person, cabbie,I'm thinking wouldn't be close to the top of the list if there was one.
It actually is, as many people are NO treat to deal to. Extensive "People Work" on a minimum wage salary is not easy, and it is not a stuggle to see this. Now, I don't deny that some of the hardest jobs involve manual work, but I was speaking of extendedly dealing with people for long periods: dealers, cabbies, waitresses. Sheet-rocking/brick-laying/foundation work is skilled work and requires labor, but it doesn't require people skills, and while doctors and lawyers do deal with people directly on important matters, they decide their fees and/or make $300/hr plus; banker tellers deal with people for moments at a time, like a casino cashier or a fast food counter-clerk, whom I don't tip.
Basically, my tip list for good service is:
1. Waiters/Waitresses/Maitre D's/Bartenders;
2. Dealers/Valets;
3. Cabbies, unless obnoxious, or are taking the long way to pump the meter;
4. Delivery guys/installers/movers;
5. Housekeeping staff;
6. Plumbers/Electricians who do a great job, and finish ahead of schedule with a good clean-up.
I don't tip:
1. Counter clerks;
2. Doctors/Lawyers; I tip by referrals;
3. Gaming mathematicians; I tip by referrals;
Tipping is customary, yes, but it is not taxation without representation, because you are dealing with, interacting with, and have the captive audience of your waiter or dealer or cabbie for extended periods. Tipping is certainly not compariable to female genital mutilation, or slavery, or trial with no due process, or any other "customary process" of more savage societies, as it is an optional but customary gratuity consideration, - and to be lumped into such catagories as a claim to discredit a reasonable and optional custom, - is a little out there.
Clerks are generally not tipped, and professional classes bill as they see fit, and are not tipped because they write the bill.
It seems that Donald Trump and Gov. Lowell Weiker had a luncheon in Manhattan. After discussing the new Indian Casinos and the State Income Tax, the Donald offered the Guv a ride back to Hartford. The guv agrees and they leave. On the way back to Hartford, when passing through Bridgeport on I95, the Donald takes a breifcase full of 10's and 20's and tosses all the money out. When the get to New Haven and turn north on I91, Trump takes another briefcase full of bills and throws bunches of money out the window. Weiker is taken aback by this, "Why are you throwing all that money outside?"
"Ya know Lowell, sometimes you have to keep the little people in this world happy, toss money around, donate to charity."
"Geez, mind if you throw a few bucks my way?", and chuckles.
"Tell ya what Governor, when we get to Meriden, I'll throw you out, and make many people happy." -- circa 1991
Quote: 98ClubsHaving to (being forced in some way) tip IS ridiculous. Whining about tipping in general is equally ridiculous.
A call to conscience is not coercion. But a dealer or waiter making some comment at a table is out of totally out of bounds. Looking cheap is total silience is more than enough. As for whining, it is equally ridiculous, yes. Either you tip or you don't, but making excuses, apologies, or no apologies for it is unnecessary.
Great attitude. If only every dealer were that way.Quote: PaigowdanAs it works out, pooled tips still have an incentive effect of helping dealer's attitudes.
First of all, all gratuity income is known to be based on courteous service, so that incentive always remains, pooled or not.
Secondly, dead-beat dealers hear from the hard-working dealers about "stepping up service - as you're killing us all."
I was talking about tips with a floorman who works as a dealer at another property, discussing those players who constantly say, "I would TIP if I WERE WINNING -" like dealers have the option to stack the cards or swap in loaded dice.
The last thing I ever do it worry about tips. I figure, if I pay attention to my game and my players, the tips take care of themselves, - and they do.
Most people in a casino aren't poor, though many may be cheap, but it is not something to ever worry about so as long as you take care of your table and your players. Comes with the territory, what else is new.
I've posted my views on tipping. Not a fan. I tip when I lose. Just the other day, I got absolutely creamed at Spanish 21. The poor dealer looked really sad. I reached into my wallet for extra bills for a tip. You better believe that made an impact. When I was playing later and a player was dropping $25, I didn't tip.
I don't tip the bank teller, grocery store cashier/bagger, and so on. Is that cheap?
I don't let other people decide who I should tip/not tip.
I think for myself and make my own decisions.
I believe tipping dealers is and should be totally optional. If they make you happy tip them, if they make you unhappy, don't. Part of the reason I rarely play BJ these days is because the majority of dealers have a major attitude problem where I play. They clearly don't like us (the players) and some of them actually light up with glee when they deliver a bad beat. I'm against the philosophy of entitlement Bingo24 is preaching here. Dealers don't deserve a tip just by virtue of their presence. I think they DO deserve a tip if they are friendly, animated, and do their job well. I have always observed this sort of tipping with dealers. Somewhere along the line, many of the nice pleasant dealers fled the scene at my casino it seems. I think it has to do with the splitting of tokes which I don't think they did a few years ago, but I could be wrong about that. I just got a survey from my casino and I intend to complain about their policy of splitting tips. They should let the dealer who earned the tip have that money!
Part of the spirit of entitlement being pressed on us is "we are screwing over our fellow man" when we don't tip. I say that is a load of bull. If you have a valid reason not to tip, then it is the dealer who has screwed himself over by performing poorly. When I learned at a very young age that there is no free lunch, and you do have to EARN your way through life, I can still remember my mother laughing and saying, "don't be silly by expecting life to be fair". Life isn't fair to anyone, and if you work in a service job, where tips are important, you best better do that job well if you ever want to have decent earnings.
Quote: zippyboyI see your point Dan. But, we don't tip everyone in the service industry, do we? Why don't we tip the Vons checkout girl who interacts with us pleasantly? Why don't we tip the bank teller, who just hands us our own money, same as the cash cage attendant? The spa masseuse wants a tip, but not the car mechanic? I have to tip the barber but not the mailman? Tip the waitress at the diner, but not the cook? Why is that? How can I keep it all straight? There's no continuity or reason to it at all. So I urge all of you to think for yourselves and not follow some dumb "custom" just because others do it. Think for yourselves.
For the record, I believe in tipping people who I'll see often and provide a friendly service, and can deny service if I don't tip. CWs are tipped of course, and restaurant waitstaff because I don't want her to ignore me when my iced tea needs refilling next visit. I know the waitress doesn't cook my food, but she shares that tip with the cook and busboy, or is supposed to anyway. I tip a barber I see often because I don't want him to snub me or give me a shoddy job next haircut. I don't tip a taxi driver. Why would I? I pay for a direct route, which I may not even receive, he may be excessively talkative or tell racist jokes trying to gain my graces, and I'll never see him again anyway...gotta be the biggest waste of money tipping a cabbie. I feel the same about dealers. They have a job to do, and I don't care if they're nice to me or not. If they suck at it, they won't have a job for long. And it's not MY responsibility to supplement their salaries! To all you people who think it's stealing not to tip must be spineless wimps too afraid to assert yourselves. Or rich. Dan, you're different being a dealer yourself; I can understand your motivation to inspire others to tip, but it's a waste of money to tip dealers. I DO tip a poker dealer on occasion when the pot is big, and we've built up a relationship because I'm there a lot, but I resent it.
Zip:
This statement above?
Tells me everything I need to know about your position.
You will tip those that it is customary to do so, and that you will continue to interact with, so they do not percieve you as the cheapskate that you are.
And everyone else will just get stiffed, because they don't know who you are.
That has a way of coming back around in life, when you least expect it.
PaigowDan said it best, if he takes care of the table, the tips get taken care of, and 10% pays for all the stiffs.
If your $10 is that important, then sobeit.
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Quote: 4andaKickerLife isn't fair to anyone, and if you work in a service job, where tips are important, you best better do that job well if you ever want to have decent earnings.
But don't expect 4andaKicker to help with that decent wage...
Sheesh.
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Quote: 4andaKickerThey should let the dealer who earned the tip have that money!
While on a good night I'd LOVE to be able to keep my own tips, there are some nights when I don't do nearly as well, AND it's not really my fault. For example, if I end up on mini-bacc for several days in a row I could easily end up having to decide if I'll pay my rent or buy food the next month. The fact of the matter is, where I work the Bacc players just don't tip well. As you might have guessed from my screen name I deal Bacc quite often. Put me on snapper on a Fri or Sat night and I almost always bank $1k in tips, but I don't have any control over my destiny in that regard, I go where I'm assigned. So to me, even though I might miss out on a few really awesome nights (I've had 20+ black chips in my box on occasion), it helps to give my life some stability that the tips are pooled. And I especially came to appreciate this when I worked graveyard when sometimes I'd stand a dead table for hours.
One last thing for the anti-tippers to think about... I've had tips stolen from me on more than one occasion. The most blatant, and rare was right out of the toke tube on the table. I reported it, but apparently nothing could be done about it (I even used the paddle trick to make it easy for surveillance, but still... nothing). But the worst, and it's happened more than once, is a player that places a bet for the dealer then snatches it up saying that wasn't their intent. I've personally lost several hundred dollars in tokes this way, and it's not because I'm slow picking them up. When I'm doing the pay and take, and I pay a toke, I immediately pull it back to close to me and say my thanks for the tip. I believe it's greedy players that didn't think much of a $2.50 toke bet on 21+3, but when it turned into $22.50 wanted it back. The first few times I called the floor over because I was incredulous at such an outrage, but I was told that if they didn't want me to have it, they could keep it.
As (I think) PaigowDan said, 10% of the players give us 90% of the tips. If you're not a tipper and you're not getting the very best experience maybe, just maybe, it's because we're people too and we give the very best service to our best customers.
Quote: s2dbakerTipping = Communism
I think what you're looking for is:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
But it's been a while, so I may have these mixed up.
Quote: SFBBut don't expect 4andaKicker to help with that decent wage...
Sheesh.
SFB
I don't see how you come up with that conclusion. I expect performance for pay, simple as that. I've had periods in my life where I got excellent performance reviews, 9 out of 10 in a system that doesn't allow 10 out of 10 and not gotten a raise for years at a time. Life isn't fair. Raises, like tips, are optional, and I'd just love to see you make employers fork them out when they don't want to. I earned my way with no help from anyone to what I have. I have little sympathy for people who just want handouts like they are some kind of hobos.
Quote: 24BingoIf you think that point needed to be made, you missed the point.
Ummmmm NOPE
Quote: 4andaKickerI don't see how you come up with that conclusion. I expect performance for pay, simple as that. I've had periods in my life where I got excellent performance reviews, 9 out of 10 in a system that doesn't allow 10 out of 10 and not gotten a raise for years at a time. Life isn't fair. Raises, like tips, are optional, and I'd just love to see you make employers fork them out when they don't want to. I earned my way with no help from anyone to what I have. I have little sympathy for people who just want handouts like they are some kind of hobos.
In the words of Arthur Fonzarelli - "EXACTAMUNDO!!!"
Quote: NicksGamingStuffIf you don't tip don't play. It is just an industry standard that tokes are part of the dealers earnings.
I hope your boss doesn't see this.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffIf you don't tip don't play. It is just an industry standard that tokes are part of the dealers earnings.
Quote: 1BBI hope your boss doesn't see this.
Why? - He would agree, having once been a dealer. Keep in mind that Nick's boss promoted him to dual-rate.
Quote: 4andakickerI don't see how you come up with that conclusion. I expect performance for pay, simple as that. I've had periods in my life where I got excellent performance reviews, 9 out of 10 in a system that doesn't allow 10 out of 10 and not gotten a raise for years at a time. Life isn't fair. Raises, like tips, are optional, and I'd just love to see you make employers fork them out when they don't want to. I earned my way with no help from anyone to what I have. I have little sympathy for people who just want handouts like they are some kind of hobos.
This smacks a little bit of the attitude that "Life wronged me, so I am entitled to continue to wrong" or the stinginess, etc. Fine, it is what it is.
I wasn't always rightfully paid for my performance in the past, so I just moved on. And for myself, I have always paid my way, and yes, that includes some gratuities.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffWhy? They want us to be able to eat and have a place to live. Stiffing a dealer is the same as stiffing a waitress at a restaurant. Some deserve it which is fine, but with average service should come an average toke. I am pretty good at shaking the players that don't tip anyway, many people think we don't remember them but we do.
If a player is otherwise gracious and easy to deal to, he may be a total non-tipper and be 100% fine with me. If he is bossy and a tipper, he may be fine with me. If he is bossy AND a stiff, I am thinking: "Seven-out, LINE AWAY! YES!! Kiss your losing bets GOODBYE!" while saying, "So sorry, Sir, better luck next hand...."
Quote: NicksGamingStuffWhy? They want us to be able to eat and have a place to live. Stiffing a dealer is the same as stiffing a waitress at a restaurant. Some deserve it which is fine, but with average service should come an average toke. I am pretty good at shaking the players that don't tip anyway, many people think we don't remember them but we do.
Shaking the players? What does that entail?
Quote: aceofspadesShaking the players? What does that entail?
A look of disdain.......
Quote: PaigowdanThis smacks a little bit of the attitude that "Life wronged me, so I am entitled to continue to wrong" or the stinginess, etc. Fine, it is what it is.
I wasn't always rightfully paid for my performance in the past, so I just moved on. And for myself, I have always paid my way, and yes, that includes some gratuities.
It smacks of nothing! I'm just pointing out there is no such thing as entitlement which is the real subject here. Contrary to popular belief: the world DOES NOT owe you a living. Life isn't fair. With that said, I greatly value my personal integrity. How have I ever wronged anyone? My view on tipping is real simple: perform well, get a tip, perform like crap or be obnoxious: get nothing. How am I "wronging" them? I don't know how you reach the conclusion that I dont tip. I tip well. But I don't tip dealers just for being there. My mother worked as a waitress for years. I know full well the value of tipping. I don't stiff people unless they deserve it.
