Having to tip dealers is ridiculous
Quote: djatcGiving the homeless money means they'll see you as someone who will always break them off with a dollar here and there. Especially in downtown. To each his own but I think the best play for the money is to donate it to a charity which helps the homeless.
I donate to multiple organizations, on an ongoing basis as well, djatc. Handing out a few buck directly also allows me to interact directly with some folk. Some of the better ones, you can have a little conversation with and offer a word of encouragement' maybe learn a little something about them and their situation. You might even begin to realize that they are actual people going through difficult times.
But anyway, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I was just having fun with the dealer folks making light of the fact that 'THEIR' money was going to the homeless. Didn't mean to get Dan all riled up. :-)
Quote: kewljI am not familiar with the cash to crack exchange rate Dan, so I will take your word on that. I guess you are in the know. :-)
I am well aware of the convential wisdom, that you should not give the homeless money, but rather supply them with actual goods. I don't subscribe entirely to that. Most of the homeless that I encounter panhandling, I observe to be alcoholics rather than crack addicts, and I am a pretty good judge of character as I donate half a day each week working at a homeless shelter. I have stated before that I have no problem giving a few buck, which I do every single day to someone less fortunate and if they choose to run to the corner store and buy a forty ounce beer to help them escape their situation for a few hours, so be it. I am completely OK with that and even simpathize with the need to escape their current situation even if just for a few hours.
My personal goal is to show compassion to those less fortunate. I don't put pre-conditions on that compassion. Although I was homeless for a period at the end of my senior year in high school, my situation was always temporary, and as soon as I graduated, I was leaving town, to start a new life. So I don't equate my brief period with being stuck in a permanate bad situation and can't begin to imagine the feeling involved in that.
BTW, I am no saint. My personal view of giving a little both time and money to those less fortunate benefit myself as much as anyone else. Really helps keep me grounded and appreciate what I have and what good fortune I have enjoyed. :-)
All good.
I don't give cash to homeless, assuming that it would go to some sort of narcotics or addiction. I'm really not in the know, aside from $5 = nickels, and that people are often homeless because of drugs, and sometimes gambling, in this town. I think is a fair assumption that direct cash to homeless is not in their best interests.
My little company gives a measly-ass 1% of gross to charity (Cheap - I admit it), namely Safe Nest.Org of Southern Nevada, or the Las Vegas Intergroup of Gamblers' Anonymous. We'll add local Pantries. I try to help many in this business greatly, and have.
I guess if you gave a homeless person some $$$, and they found some sort relief in some kind of dope, then technically, you provided some relief to someone in pain. I remember being really down and broke (read: SPORTS BOOK! MY OWN DAMN FAULT! ...long gone down the road...), and I ain't making that mistake again.
And, at the tables, if I have a decent and courteous dealer, my charity is him and his crew. I am a George to a decent dealer.
Quote: kewljI wasn't going to respond to this thread as I just got beat up in a similar thread on another board, but what the h*ll, I have thick skin. lol
I support myself solely from playing blackjack. I do not tip.
the situation: I sit down at a table, play a short session as I always do. Some as short as 3 rounds, others as long as 40 or 50 rounds. Lets say one shoe, 18 hands. My expected value for those 18 hands is about $14. How much should I tip for that?? $5?? that's a third of my income. Do you tip a third of your income to anyone? Even the people that enable you to make that living. Do you tip anything at all to the people that clean your office? The building maintanence man? The people that sweep the parking lot and remove snow enabling you to get into the building? And don't include taxes as part of your answer. I pay taxes, same as someone who receives a paycheck. This is my job. I have bills to pay. And retirement to save for. No social security from this job remember. I am not on vacation, playing for fun, or having a night out gambling and drinking. This is my job!
Now, I could probably afford to tip a dollar or two. But again this would be as much as 14% of my income for that session. Who do you tip 14% of your income to that is related to your work?
Now's here's what I go through to earn that $14 for that session. $25 table. Spreading $25 to $400. So when the count rises and I start throwing out my bigger bets, the dealer thinks I should tip $5 a hand, especially if I am winning. 3 hands would eat all of my expected win. ok, again, I could afford to tip $1 or $2. Try doing that when you are betting $400 a hand, especially is you are winning. You get attitude and comments worse than if you had tipped nothing. I have had a dealer tell me "thanks, I can buy a newspaper now". WTF.
Ok now I have had a pretty decent 18 hand session. Count went positive early, big bets. won $900. I am sure at the end, the dealer thinks I should tip $25. But guess what I didn't win $900. I won $14. That is what it will work out to when you average all the winning and losing sessions. EV $14. If I tip $25, I have lost money. Remember this isn't recreation or a hobby. This is how I earn a living.
I sit down at a different blackjack table 12-15 times a day. Sometimes 20. I play almost every day, but lets say 6 days a week. that's roughly 100 times a week I sit down at a table for a short session. If I were to tip just $5 at each session, that is $500 a week. $25,000 a year. That is almost a third of my average yearly winnings. It's just not feasible for me to tip, except in rare instances, which I am not going to go into.
too bad everyone dont feel the same way
Regardless, nobody should tell anyone else what to tip. If I want to tip, great. If I don't, great. Same for you, and everyone else, and it all works out in the end.
Quote: kewljI am not familiar with the cash to crack exchange rate Dan, so I will take your word on that. I guess you are in the know. :-)
I am well aware of the convential wisdom, that you should not give the homeless money, but rather supply them with actual goods. I don't subscribe entirely to that. Most of the homeless that I encounter panhandling, I observe to be alcoholics rather than crack addicts, and I am a pretty good judge of character as I donate half a day each week working at a homeless shelter. I have stated before that I have no problem giving a few buck, which I do every single day to someone less fortunate and if they choose to run to the corner store and buy a forty ounce beer to help them escape their situation for a few hours, so be it. I am completely OK with that and even simpathize with the need to escape their current situation even if just for a few hours.
My personal goal is to show compassion to those less fortunate. I don't put pre-conditions on that compassion. Although I was homeless for a period at the end of my senior year in high school, my situation was always temporary, and as soon as I graduated, I was leaving town, to start a new life. So I don't equate my brief period with being stuck in a permanate bad situation and can't begin to imagine the feeling involved in that.
BTW, I am no saint. My personal view of giving a little both time and money to those less fortunate benefit myself as much as anyone else. Really helps keep me grounded and appreciate what I have and what good fortune I have enjoyed. :-)
looking at most of your posts, you aren't volunteering at a homeless shelter, it's obviously part of your work release duties...
Quote: allinriverkinglooking at most of your posts, you aren't volunteering at a homeless shelter, it's obviously part of your work release duties...
They don't give you work release for not tipping. They send you straight to the big house.
Quote: rainmanThey don't give you work release for not tipping. They send you straight to the big house.
And rightfully so !
Quote: allinriverkinglooking at most of your posts, you aren't volunteering at a homeless shelter, it's obviously part of your work release duties...
OK. ?? If putting me down, some how makes you feel better about yourself....glad I could help.
That was kind of a dick thing allinriverking said, but it was pretty funny, But no worries kewlj most people respect you around here, those who don't are just jealous.Quote: kewljOK. ?? If putting me down, some how makes you feel better about yourself....glad I could help.
Quote: boymimboTipping is allowed here in Canada but the dealers make union wages at all Ontario casinos at between $14 - $17 / hour, PLUS shared tips.
not true at all.
Quote: Beethoven9thAnother tipping question for the board: What are foreign casinos like where tipping is not allowed? Do their table games have some astronomical house advantage or something?
I'm surprised that you have not received more than one response on this.
Surely there are some here who have gambled internationally, or at least knows someone who has.
This weekend, I am returning to the same casino that employs the English dealer mentioned on page 59 of this thread.
I will be in town for three days, so the chance of meeting her is good.
I remember her mention that she had worked both dealer position and management position, so that should provide a broader perspective on the issue.
One problem is that it has most likely been 15 years or better since she has worked over there. The information may possibly be outdated; however, since she is originally from there, one could easily surmise that she would "stay in touch".
Quote: PaigowdanEx-dealer. Different role in the business now.
Dealing is a rough job: you're expected to be a mathematician, a perfect automaton, an entertainer, a bringer of lucky things, and a thousand and one other things while putting up with stuff and people who are often galling.
I too am an ex-dealer with a different role in the business now.
Dan is spot-on about how bad the bad ones are, but I prefer to remember what it was like to have a table full of good, friendly players having a great time. A lively blackjack game, an elegantly dealt full baccarat game with a good, smooth crew, or a raucous craps table with players who actually got into a good rhythm with the dealers was, from my perspective, like a grand piece of performance art.
It didn't work out like that every day, but on the days when you knew you'd dealt a good game for good players, it was like you were a rock star that strapped on a guitar and dazzled an audience of thousands.
And tips are shared. But Ontariodealer would know more than me.
Quote: djatcGiving the homeless money means they'll see you as someone who will always break them off with a dollar here and there. Especially in downtown. To each his own but I think the best play for the money is to donate it to a charity which helps the homeless.
Donate it to a charity whose Administration often makes far more than it should.
Quote: rob45Quote: Beethoven9thAnother tipping question for the board: What are foreign casinos like where tipping is not allowed? Do their table games have some astronomical house advantage or something?
I'm surprised that you have not received more than one response on this.
Surely there are some here who have gambled internationally, or at least knows someone who has.
I know, we keep hearing how everything would go to hell if dealers stopped receiving tips, but people rarely talk about foreign casinos where tipping isn't allowed. If all the claims are true, then these foreign casinos must be the worst places in the world to deal/gamble. But is that really the case? Who knows...
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: rob45Quote: Beethoven9thAnother tipping question for the board: What are foreign casinos like where tipping is not allowed? Do their table games have some astronomical house advantage or something?
I'm surprised that you have not received more than one response on this.
Surely there are some here who have gambled internationally, or at least knows someone who has.
I know, we keep hearing how everything would go to hell if dealers stopped receiving tips, but people rarely talk about foreign casinos where tipping isn't allowed. If all the claims are true, then these foreign casinos must be the worst places in the world to deal/gamble. But is that really the case? Who knows...
I was able to talk with the English dealer again this past weekend.
Please keep in mind that this information is from only one person who has worked in three different clubs. Just like over here, you have your "better" places, and you have your dives. The largest obstacle is that, unlike here in the States, casino employees may not visit other casinos. (She said that often she and her fellow employees would plan trips to France specifically for gambling.)
She cautioned me that she has not worked in London since 2001, and has not "been back home" since 2007.
Sometime around 2005, the gaming board investigated new game introductions along with possible rule changes to existing games, and she has heard that those changes became effective circa 2007.
No tipping is allowed for one specific reason: COLLUSION
The fear of collusion is so great that it severely limits interaction with players both on and off duty; she informed me of an instance where she happened to see a player at the market, and immediately left the area.
Dealers are paid according to ability. Standards are high, and performance reviews are frequent.
Evidently there exists very little tolerance for mistakes, along with great emphasis on game speed.
Roulette seems to be the most popular table game. In her experience, the dealers receiving highest pay were the accomplished roulette dealers.
Single-zero wheels, combined with the en prison rule, equate to a low house advantage (in comparison to double-zero roulette over here).
She stated that the game seems slower over here in the US. (I suspect that, in Europe, there is considerable action on the outside bets due to the en prison rule; the more action on the outside, the more efficient the game should be. At least that's my guess.)
Overall, minimums tend to be higher over there; until she moved to the States, she had not seen a $5 roulette game.
Punto Banco (baccarat) was offered in the same fashion as the high-limit rooms over here.
Full-sized tables with complete crew of croupiers (dealers).
Minimums very high.
She has heard that a few clubs have since introduced Mini-bac, but she has no idea concerning minimums.
Craps was offered upstairs in one of the clubs at which she was employed, but she could not give any information regarding game conditions (2x odds, 5x odds, etc.) or table minimums.
Blackjack was offered, but overall the game was considered an "afterthought" during the period she was employed. All "serious" players chose either roulette or baccarat as the game of choice. She suspects it is still like that.
Minimums were reasonable, but the game was expected to be dealt quickly.
At the time, rules were "different" than those to which Americans would be accustomed. 4 decks. Dealer took no hole card. Insurance offered only if player had a blackjack. Restrictions on doubling as well as splitting.
The bosses over there were/are aware of counting, and countermeasures were much like over here, with the first step being less penetration.
She did caution me that she has heard that the "rule changes" (mentioned above) gave the casinos more flexibility in choosing what game conditions to offer; e.g., number of decks, double/split rules, etc.
As to overall dealing conditions, she much prefers dealing in the USA.
Even those dealers who earned the highest pay maintained a lower standard of living than the typical dealer in the US.
A large hindrance (for the European dealer) is the fact that any form of emotional response is forbidden. Not even so much as a smile in the event of a win, and definitely nothing which could be interpreted as consolation in the event of a loss.
She did state that upon first gaining employment in the US, it was "quite an adjustment".
Quote: rob45Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: rob45Quote: Beethoven9thAnother tipping question for the board: What are foreign casinos like where tipping is not allowed? Do their table games have some astronomical house advantage or something?
I'm surprised that you have not received more than one response on this.
Surely there are some here who have gambled internationally, or at least knows someone who has.
I know, we keep hearing how everything would go to hell if dealers stopped receiving tips, but people rarely talk about foreign casinos where tipping isn't allowed. If all the claims are true, then these foreign casinos must be the worst places in the world to deal/gamble. But is that really the case? Who knows...
I was able to talk with the English dealer again this past weekend.
Please keep in mind that this information is from only one person who has worked in three different clubs. Just like over here, you have your "better" places, and you have your dives. The largest obstacle is that, unlike here in the States, casino employees may not visit other casinos. (She said that often she and her fellow employees would plan trips to France specifically for gambling.)
She cautioned me that she has not worked in London since 2001, and has not "been back home" since 2007.
Sometime around 2005, the gaming board investigated new game introductions along with possible rule changes to existing games, and she has heard that those changes became effective circa 2007.
Dealers now earn into a tip pool in the UK. Dealers can now visit other casinos outside of the same ownership chain in the UK.
—I was playing craps at a locals casino recently and made a $5 Come bet right after I arrived at the table. I won.
—I then made another $5 Come bet with $1 next it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a third $5 Come bet with another $1 next to it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a fourth $5 Come bet with another $1 next to it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a fifth $5 Come bet. I lost.
Immediately afterward, the ingrateful box (who is a dual-rate) said to the stick, "Well, we know why that happened," and chuckled. (I don't know what kind of tip this idiot was expecting on a $15 total win)
Seriously, dealers, if you guys are going to be a**holes, please exempt players who are actually TIPPING you! Or at least hold your tongue until I leave the f*cking table!
Quote: Beethoven9thHere's another example of why I have little sympathy for (some) dealers out there.
—I was playing craps at a locals casino recently and made a $5 Come bet right after I arrived at the table. I won.
—I then made another $5 Come bet with $1 next it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a third $5 Come bet with another $1 next to it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a fourth $5 Come bet with another $1 next to it for the dealers. We won.
—I made a fifth $5 Come bet. I lost.
Immediately afterward, the ingrateful box (who is a dual-rate) said to the stick, "Well, we know why that happened," and chuckled. (I don't know what kind of tip this idiot was expecting on a $15 total win)
Seriously, dealers, if you guys are going to be a**holes, please exempt players who are actually TIPPING you! Or at least hold your tongue until I leave the f*cking table!
Just from the way you told the story it seemed like they were just having some fun and didn't mean it as a put down. However, I was not there so I don't know.
I have no problem tipping a good dealer. There are some who make jokes and actually seem like they are having a good time with their job. I will tip them well. There are the ones that don't say a single word, those people get no tips.
I also believe that when the floor is rating you, they will give you a better rating if they see you tipping. I am a $10 to $15 BJ player but I have had floors rate me at $30 or more before.
I doubt that was the reasonQuote: GWAE
I also believe that when the floor is rating you, they will give you a better rating if they see you tipping.
I seen the same thing when it comes to slot personnel. can someone explain this?
bartenders seem to tip other bartenders better.
one small tip for cheap VP and slot players. When you need someone to watch your machine, if you see a slot tech (usually dressed in blue). Ask them to watch your machine, normally they will be glad to do it and they cant take tips.
Quote: AxelWolfI doubt that was the reason
I promise you that happens.
ZCore13
Quote: GWAEJust from the way you told the story it seemed like they were just having some fun and didn't mean it as a put down. However, I was not there so I don't know.
Well, then I must not have told the story accurately. The box made that idiotic comment rather quietly, and he wasn't smiling and didn't look at me at all. This usually isn't the type of behavior of a person who is "just joking" around (unless he was joking with the stick at my expense). If the box really was "just having some fun and didn't mean it as a put down", then he would have made the comment more loudly, looked at me, and laughed to show that he meant it as a joke.
But either way, I don't know why you'd even make that type of "joke" to a person who just tipped you $3 on a $15 win right after arriving at the table. I don't know any player who would consider that to be funny.
Quote: Beethoven9thWell, then I must not have told the story accurately. The box made that idiotic comment rather quietly, and he wasn't smiling and didn't look at me at all. This usually isn't the type of behavior of a person who is "just joking" around (unless he was joking with the stick at my expense). If the box really was "just having some fun and didn't mean it as a put down", then he would have made the comment more loudly, looked at me, and laughed to show that he meant it as a joke.
But either way, I don't know why you'd even make that type of "joke" to a person who just tipped you $3 on a $15 win right after arriving at the table. I don't know any player who would consider that to be funny.
Well that part of the story def shows that they were being an ass. I mentioned it being a joke because I like to joke around a lot and that is something that I would have said as a joke to you if I were playing next to you.
Yep.Quote: GWAEWell that part of the story def shows that they were being an ass.
Waitresses - at least 20% with a $5 minimum. If I get a $5 breakfast, you're getting a 100% tip. In extreme cases, I will tip 15%, but never less.
Dealers - I am a low roller, but I tip $5/hour at a $5 BJ table. At $5 craps, I make a pass line bet for for $5 and $5 odds for the dealers every time that I roll at full or nearly full table.
Strippers - Every girl on stage gets a courtesy dollar. No exceptions! Even if I'm not seated by the stage, I'll walk one up and drop it off.
Taxi drivers, 15-20%.
Bellman, appliance delivery guys, etc... $5 minimum.
Valets, depends on the quality of the hotel or restaurant, but almost always $5 minimum.
My rationale is that these people are all working in industries where they have an expectation of a tip, which is reasonable, given adequate service. I don't get to pick social norms or control the expectation of a tip, given the industry, so I think it's unfair to punish the people who depend on tips because I don't necessarily agree with the premise. Besides, tips generally make people happy.
Who doesn't want to make people happy for $5?
And that's okay because they get $0 per hour from me. Now if I play for 3 hours, I will make an exception and tip $0. But if I play for more than 5 hours, I will tip no more than $0.
I prefer to stiff dealers and provide above average tips to people that actually deserve it. Except cab drivers- they get $0 too.
Quote: KeyserSozeMost dealers consider a $5 per hour tipper "cheap."
And this is exactly part of my whole issue. I've had a dealer tell me "thanks, now I can afford to buy a newspaper", after I toked him.
Quote: kewljAnd this is exactly part of my whole issue. I've had a dealer tell me "thanks, now I can afford to buy a newspaper", after I toked him.
I actually tip 10-15% of my winnings (and even a few bucks here and there when I'm losing!), yet I still get stupid comments like what you've just described. I don't know where these dealers get off thinking that they're worth big bucks. The ones at the higher end casinos make much more than I do, yet they're the biggest whiners of all.
Quote: deedubbsI'll add my tipping policy. Tipping is just a social construct that exists, like many other social norms.
Waitresses - at least 20% with a $5 minimum. If I get a $5 breakfast, you're getting a 100% tip. In extreme cases, I will tip 15%, but never less.
Dealers - I am a low roller, but I tip $5/hour at a $5 BJ table. At $5 craps, I make a pass line bet for for $5 and $5 odds for the dealers every time that I roll at full or nearly full table.
Strippers - Every girl on stage gets a courtesy dollar. No exceptions! Even if I'm not seated by the stage, I'll walk one up and drop it off.
Taxi drivers, 15-20%.
Bellman, appliance delivery guys, etc... $5 minimum.
Valets, depends on the quality of the hotel or restaurant, but almost always $5 minimum.
My rationale is that these people are all working in industries where they have an expectation of a tip, which is reasonable, given adequate service. I don't get to pick social norms or control the expectation of a tip, given the industry, so I think it's unfair to punish the people who depend on tips because I don't necessarily agree with the premise. Besides, tips generally make people happy.
Who doesn't want to make people happy for $5?
Shouldn't you tip the valet based on the level of service and not on how good or bad the business is? Do you tip dealers the same amount win or lose?
I have the most fun with the following scenario.I say 108 across, two way ride, I control all bets.When we hit a number and its my turn to be paid the dealer asks what are we doing? I tell them press my bet 1 unit and pay me the rest then press your bet one unit and lock up the rest. This kind of play shocks dealers.However,It really gets them on your side like you are the only player there.You can see it in their eyes that they may be getting ready for a great roll.
I have fun when the dealer and I win.This ismy signature toke bet.Try it some time and see what kind of reaction you get.
KB1
Quote: kewljAnd this is exactly part of my whole issue. I've had a dealer tell me "thanks, now I can afford to buy a newspaper", after I toked him.
I hope other's will join me in trying to always tip the person's cleaning the restrooms, they are truly underappreciated.
I can only remember about 3 times in my life when I didn't tip when it was appropriate, but I'm sure there were more?
After reading this thread, dealers hawking tips is starting to raise my ire. It seems casino's are hiring [craps] dealer's of lessor and lessor quality. Break in dealer's urging for toke's doesn't seem right, they should at least become proficient beforehand. The tips are for the service right? Not the banter.
I know before some were dissing us for toking panhandler's.
I found another place where I tip, at least I call it sort of a tip. I take a clover leaf exit at Needles and frequently there are hitchhikers there. I keep ice cold water in my truck and Always stop and hand out cold waters. They often aren't prepared for our summer temps or human kindness. I can't usually get even to second gear as I pull away before I look back and they are swilling a cold aqua fina.
Do you think that counts? I've only got so much spare money to give away and I'd rather give it to someone suffering from thirst or doing a lousy job [restroom cleaning] than give it to a snarky dealer making 80 thousand a year.
Quote: petroglyph...than give it to a snarky dealer making 80 thousand a year.
Those are the dealers who really piss me off. These guys at Caesars, the Wynn, etc. make twice as much as the average American, yet they continually bitch & moan about tips. Makes me sick. *headshake*
He has not ONCE tried to hustle me for a tip. If he has, proceed to the end.
He has not sat there like a lump. If he has, proceed to the end.
He has not tried to provide bad advice to me or any other player at the table. If he has, proceed to the end.
What is the end?
Quote: BeardgoatLol my favorite post ever on this board
The video is a nice touch. But if a dealer would/should earn $5/hr from all players on average, then my g/f needs to quit being a nurse, and we both should become dealers. I play tables so rarely now that I push this rate usually, and the last time I played a table, I tipped the guy $5 for about 15 min. of solo playing, but at a full table, I usually look like the only one tipping. :-\
The other day while downtown, I was walking to a casino. I seen a somewhat normal looking guy, for downtown anyways. (he didn't appear to be on drugs)He picked up a discarded bowl of half eaten food out of the trash can. He touched and smelled it as if he were inspecting to see if it was edible enough for him to eat. I felt sorry for him so I gave the guy 3 dollars and said, go get a burger. Not something I normally do.
few seconds after a street hustler who seen all this go down... said,"Hey man, let me get a ____ . I yelled, "NO!". Before he finished his sentence and walked in to the casino.
I I was doing well on VP and must have been feeling generous or guilty that day because, I gave the porter who was cleaning near my machine $2. I generally don't want porters anywhere near me while playing VP, I find them very annoying, they are always distracting me, reaching near my stuff or sweeping at my feet(WTF), taking things I don't want them to take, like dropped coins. Anyways...... He said, "OH!, thank you very much, us porters don't get tipped often".
I tipped the cocktail waitress $2 (normal only $1) I gave the cashier $2 for a slot ticket cash in. I realized I needed a few hundred in 10s and 20s so I had a floor person bread my bills down and tipped her $1. I don't believe in karma or any of that type of bullshit but, 5 minutes later I hit a Royal Flush holding k♥ 10♥ I gave $30 . My GF who was playing next to me now wanted to go. I said.,"No, lets play we just got here, I want to put some time in." Approx 15 min later she got a Royal dealt. $30 on that as well.
one thing I hate more then people who stiff, People who get on their high horse about others not tipping. I will not be tipping in Fiesta casino, unless I feel it will greatly benefit me. This in part due to the attitudes dealers seem to have regarding tipping.
OTOH, I've never tipped a slot attendant before and don't understand what exactly they do that deserves a tip.
They hand you tax forms.Quote: Beethoven9thI don't mind tipping restaurant workers. They have a tough job, and they don't make a lot of money at all. (Nowhere near dealers at the higher end casinos)
OTOH, I've never tipped a slot attendant before and don't understand what exactly they do that deserves a tip.
A blackjack dealer and a player with a thirteen count in his hand were arguing about whether or not it was appropriate to tip the dealer.
The player said, "When I get bad cards, it's not the dealer's fault. Accordingly, when I get good cards, the dealer obviously had nothing to do with it so, why should I tip him?"
The dealer said, "When you eat out do you tip the waiter?"
"Yes."
"Well then, he serves you food, I'm serving you cards so you should tip me."
"Okay, but, the waiter gives me what I ask for. I'll take an eight.
Quote: AxelWolfThey hand you tax forms.
Then they deserve the finger, not a tip. ;)
Regarding dealers, it's funny because many of them act like they're worth $80-90,000 per year. *headshake*
Quote: KeyserSozeMost dealers consider a $5 per hour tipper "cheap."
And that's okay because they get $0 per hour from me. Now if I play for 3 hours, I will make an exception and tip $0. But if I play for more than 5 hours, I will tip no more than $0.
I prefer to stiff dealers and provide above average tips to people that actually deserve it. Except cab drivers- they get $0 too.
I suppose there are worse things than being cheap. Like bragging about it.
I bet the dealers just love to see you don their table. It's probably your charm and wit that get to them.
Quote: mosesI suppose there are worse things than being cheap. Like bragging about it.
I bet the dealers just love to see you don their table. It's probably your charm and wit that get to them.
If you're going to get grief for tipping $5 and hour, then why not tip $0. Costs less, accomplishes the same thing.
I tip $1 a pot I win at poker. I win about 7% of the hands I play at a 10 handed table. At 35 hands an hour, that means I'm tipping on average about $2/hr. You know what I get for that? Gratitude.
Try tipping $2/hr at the blackjack table and see what you get.
stiffing dealers dose not make you cheap perhaps he believes dealers are undeserving for many reasons. Just read their comments. Personally i go on a case by cases basis. Most dealers think they're entitled to part of your winnings. If your losing they still want something. If you win it's because of them if you lose it's just bad luck. Many dealers are arrogant towards other employees in the casinos as well.Quote: mosesI suppose there are worse things than being cheap. Like bragging about it.
I bet the dealers just love to see you don their table. It's probably your charm and wit that get to them.
Quote: kewljAnd this is exactly part of my whole issue. I've had a dealer tell me "thanks, now I can afford to buy a newspaper", after I toked him.
KJ: To which I would reply, "And, it's my fault your lot in life is a blackjack dealer"? Obviously, this dealer has a proven history of biting hands that feed him.
The only thing worse than entitlement is when its done with arrogance.
Quote: sabreTry tipping $2/hr at the blackjack table and see what you get.
Money is a universal language that can be used for several different meanings. For instance, I may hesitate late in a negative deck and the dealer will recipricate with a shuffle. I will respond with a tip for the first hand of the next deck. An investment that could get me out 1 or 2 hands early in a negative deck. Conversely, it also sets the tone by tipping late in a positive deck to get that extra hand or two. IF you make it a fun thing, it's way to gain favor with a dealer and make the game more pleasant.
On the reverse side, I once had a dealer I suspected was cheating. He was kicking my rear always getting the card he needed, I bought more chips and said "this cannot continue." He sort of smirked. And his streak did continue. Id say he won 70% to 80% of the rounds and did this thing with his hands just before delivering the card.
I tossed him a $5 chip. He didn't know what to do. His eyes never left the table and a thank you was not offered. I just said, "enjoy this, it's the last chip you'll see from me." So why the tip? I consider it educational expense to never play this cheat again. And I nice way to say f.u...I know what you are doing.
