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Nareed
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March 9th, 2012 at 8:20:13 AM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

And that's why I love you!



For correctly using the word, or for not letting it go when replying to your posts?
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boymimbo
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March 9th, 2012 at 8:31:23 AM permalink
Come, on, Nareed, you can get involved on this one! You can do it!!!

But seriously, our resident oz-like entity is questioning the motives for the HB challenge. On the face of it, HB is trying to earn some money by publicizing her challenge. This year, it seems like there are many politicians who are doing the same thing. The mayor of Toronto, for example, is having a weight loss challenge and many radio personalities are partaking in the same challenge.

Her motives, really, you cannot diagnose. Of course, there are emotional and mental challenges around the gaining and losing of weight, but those I am betting she is keeping private. None of us have asked why HB gained the weight in the first place, and really, it's none of my business. We all have hidden areas of our lives that we don't share. For HB, she has chosen to share part of her life with us and motivate herself through financial gain. Is that narcissistic?

All of us on this forum could be said to be somewhat narcissistic. Nareed tells us of his journey to transgenderness. FrGamble talks about God. MRjjj rambles on about winning in roulette while stating that there's no bias on the wheel, and so on and so forth. We all have our own personal reasons to be here and expend emotional and mental energy here. Does that mean that we all have mental problems?

And to some extent DGale is right... To prevent the weight from coming on again, you've gotta solve the emotional reasons as to why the weight was gained in the first place. That much is valid. All weight loss programs, to be complete, have got to resolve with a change in your value system when it comes to food. Most people regain their weight because their self-image is the same and their habits and lifestyle are the same.
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kmumf
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March 9th, 2012 at 9:05:21 AM permalink
DorothyGale I think has way more issues herself then she is pressing on other people. I hope she can get help.
EvenBob
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March 9th, 2012 at 9:22:09 AM permalink
I'm not sure exactly what HB did to deserve all
this vitriol from Dorothy. She got herself into a
position where she gets a lot of attention from
men for awhile. So what, good for her. Its not
a capital crime.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
kmumf
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March 9th, 2012 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
I agree EvenBob. I don't know why people like to spread hate on forums all the time.
HotBlonde
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March 9th, 2012 at 9:58:35 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

And to some extent DGale is right... To prevent the weight from coming on again, you've gotta solve the emotional reasons as to why the weight was gained in the first place. That much is valid. All weight loss programs, to be complete, have got to resolve with a change in your value system when it comes to food. Most people regain their weight because their self-image is the same and their habits and lifestyle are the same.

This is, of course, true. And let me say that for someone to go from a smoking hot female to a point where I actually weighed in at 277 pounds there has to have been something that went askew. But most people don't come online and attack someone and tell them that something is wrong with them and that they have severe mental issues and try to say that something is wrong with that peson and try to degrade them. MOST people in society as well as most of the people on this forum show compassion and understanding of someone in a sensitive situation such as mine, not glorify it out of evil intent. And that is pure evil. We all have problems but for you to outright attack someone, whether it's here on this particular thread or anywhere else you're doing it, is really messed up.

Quote: kmumf

DorothyGale I think has way more issues herself then she is pressing on other people. I hope she can get help.

And so I agree with this statement. My obesity issues are between me, myself, and I. When you have personal issues that cause you to go online and personally attack people for no good reason then those are way greater issues than the fact that I gained a whole bunch of weight. A lot of the weight I gained was during times that I went out and ate and drank with friends. But to exhibit anti-social and berating behavior is a much more deeply troubling issue than a weight issue. And again, people on here have been offering tons of encouraging words towards me in my gradual success which shows the positiveness of human nature and then here comes DG too rain on the parade. Too much happiness and encouragement in this thread for you? Sad that no one acts like that toward you? You should go into YOURSELF and deal with whatever issues cause you to behave this way and maybe you'll start acting like a normal happy person.

And on a different note, to answer the question in regards to the financial motivation for this challenge. Originally when SOOPOO and I talked privately before I started this challenge I had told him how I was planning on going back on my weight loss program since it was the new year and it was something that I needed to take care of once and for all. I told him that if I stuck to my plan I could lose 10 pounds a month. He told me that he was going to be coming out to Vegas mid-October of this year and I told him that I could lose 90 pounds by then since his trip was 9 months away. He then told me that if I could stick to my program and actually lose that much by the time he came out that he would give me a financial reward for my success, if and ONLY if I could lose that amount of weight by the time he is out there, and if I didn't reach my goal then there would be no reward. He told me to name my own price and that "money is not an issue", in his exact words. He wanted me to pick a financial amount that would keep me 100% disciplined all the way through so that I would not fall off as I have done every single time I had attempted to lose weight in the past. So in my mind I had to think what amount of money would keep me so motivated for 9+ months so that I couldn't go out and eat or drink with friends as I normally love to do. 9+ months is a really long time to go without the things that I normally loved to do. I couldn't tell him how much I was thinking, which was around $10,000, cuz I felt that he would say that it was too high. SOOPOO kept pressing me and telling me to name my price and that "money is not an issue" and told me the enormous amount of money that he makes as a living and to just tell him how much would be enough to motivate me to stick 100% to my program all the way through. He kept asking me and I kept not having the guts to say $10,000 and I kept asking him to offer an amount.

Finally, I think it was the next day, after we started to go back and forth he finally said that he would offer me $1,199. To me that was not enough of an award to do the amount of work that I knew I needed to do for 9+ months and I told him that that was too little for sticking power. He then asked me how much I had in mind, again, and I finally told him $9,000 which would be 9 months, 90 pounds, $100 per pound. He told me that he would not give me that much as a reward, which surprised me since he had mentioned more than once the enormous amount of money he makes a year (which I am purposely leaving out here so as not to divulge the exact details of the amount of income he confided in me out of respect for his privacy). He then said that since he would not be putting up the money that I wanted would it be ok if he got "investors" to make up the difference. I then told him that would be fine as now I was excited about winning $9,000 and I was ok with that. After thinking about it a little longer he then told me that although it sounds like a good idea that he's now decided that he could not start a thread and expose me like that as he 100% believed that I honestly could not hit my goal and that he would not want me to embarrass myself and have to pay out of my pocket since he was sure I would lose. I told him that 10 pounds a month was not undoable at all but he was unconvinced and apologized and told me he could not do it.

Later that day I sent him an email telling him how excited I was at the idea of winning $9,000 and that that would totally motivate me to stick to my plan 100% of the way through. He then called me the next day and had a change of heart and said that he would do it. I was super happy. We worked out the details and the very next day this thread was born.

So, to summarize, I never had any original intent to make my weight loss a public thing. SOOPOO had offered me a financial reward for my success and told me to name my price and when I did he told me that was too high for him. So the only way for him to get me the $9,000 without reaching into his own pocket for the whole amount was to create this thread. I gave him permission to do that even though I was remembering author Brian Tracy's suggestion in his book GOALS! to not tell anyone of your goals cuz if you fail it would be way harder on you than if you had not told anyone in the first place. I knew the $9,000 reward (and the chance of having to pay out $1,000) would be a huge motivator and so I decided to override Brian Tracy's advice and let the thread be born. So there you have it! :-D
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RogerKint
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March 9th, 2012 at 10:04:16 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

you are probably someone who doesn't get along with people and you are probably a very lonely person that nobody likes..



I know for a fact Dorothy has at least three friends.
100% risk of ruin
weaselman
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March 9th, 2012 at 10:27:56 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

But most people don't come online and attack someone and tell them that something is wrong with them and that they have severe mental issues and try to say that something is wrong with that peson and try to degrade them.


Narcissism (in the sense that Dorothy is using it, not a clinical diagnosis) is not a "severe mental issue", it's more of a personality trait. (almost) Everybody exhibits some amount of it, it is not degrading to point it out. Not any more degrading than to say that you are overweight anyway (much less really, if you ask me), and it does not take a psychiatrist to "diagnose" the former any more than it requires a physician to point out the latter. Lots (if not most) of famous, great people were severe cases of narcissism. Take Steve Jobs as an extreme example.

Like you say, most people don't come online to make such observations about others, or rather, most people do not encounter such observations made about them by others online, because most people do not start threads on public forums, dedicated solely to them, and/or do not keep them active for months. Also, when do get faced with such an observation online, most people tend to just shrug it off, and let it go, so the incident is quickly forgotten instead of getting blown to epic proportion.

Bottom line is - just take it easy, HB. You are not a dollar coin for everyone to like you. If someone tells you something you don't like about yourself, you may not (want to) agree with it, but consider that that actually is the way some people perceive you. If you don't care about that, just shrug it off, if you do though, it might make sense to listen and think about what you can do to change the situation.

Oh, and if I were you, I would apologise to SOOPOO for your behaviour earlier in this thread. Your outburst at him was totally uncalled for.

Quote: HotBlonde

My obesity issues are between me, myself, and I.


Or rather, they were, before you, on your own volition, made them subject for public discussion.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
SOOPOO
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March 9th, 2012 at 11:04:23 AM permalink
Oh well... I've tried to stay out of this mess... The phrase 'money is not an issue' is never an exact phrase. I expected HB to select a far lower amount than I am even now committed to, like a few hundred dollars, as I expected the money to be a secondary motive for her, and the actual self improvement to be the main motivation. Through hours of friendly discourse, we together, mostly of my doing, came up with the HB challenge. As anyone who has followed this serpentine thread is aware, I worked hard to get HB the opponents. I must say it is quite uncomfortable to read about 'the enormous amount of money' I make. I would have thought that that would be something that would not be bandied about in a forum like this. Anyway... I am really only making half an enormous amount of money right now.... and although I can well 'afford' to pay HB her bounty when she achieves success, it will be a large sum to me, about equal to my entire weeks gambling budget . I worked hard to set this up for HB, and STILL am rooting for her success. No good deed goes unpunished.....
DorothyGale
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March 9th, 2012 at 11:12:43 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

No good deed goes unpunished.....

Indeed ... from the musical "Wicked" ...

"No good deed goes unpunished"

--Ms. D.
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"

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