I realized I'm old
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanThe beaches in his part of Florida tend to run in a northerly direction, while his choice of St. Martin's shows his preference for beaches that are east-west oriented. When you work as hard as he does, why settle for anything less?
A friend is in the process of moving to the American Virgin Islands. According to him, it's slightly less expensive than Long Island.
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Yes, beaches in Florida go up and down, while Orient Beach goes from side to side. You know...
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Long Island beaches go east-west, Jersey Shore beaches run north-south. As most people lie on the beach with their feet to the water, it is a totally different sunbathing experience.
Quote: billryanThe beaches in his part of Florida tend to run in a northerly direction, while his choice of St. Martin's shows his preference for beaches that are east-west oriented. When you work as hard as he does, why settle for anything less?
A friend is in the process of moving to the American Virgin Islands. According to him, it's slightly less expensive than Long Island.
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Just to clarify, I haven't worked hard in the last five years.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanThe beaches in his part of Florida tend to run in a northerly direction, while his choice of St. Martin's shows his preference for beaches that are east-west oriented. When you work as hard as he does, why settle for anything less?
A friend is in the process of moving to the American Virgin Islands. According to him, it's slightly less expensive than Long Island.
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Yes, beaches in Florida go up and down, while Orient Beach goes from side to side. You know...
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I wonder how many people here know exactly what you're alluding to. That was a really big joke when I was a kid but I kind of think it's gone out of style by now
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: billryanThe beaches in his part of Florida tend to run in a northerly direction, while his choice of St. Martin's shows his preference for beaches that are east-west oriented. When you work as hard as he does, why settle for anything less?
A friend is in the process of moving to the American Virgin Islands. According to him, it's slightly less expensive than Long Island.
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Yes, beaches in Florida go up and down, while Orient Beach goes from side to side. You know...
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I wonder how many people here know exactly what you're alluding to. That was a really big joke when I was a kid but I kind of think it's gone out of style by now
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Yeah I may be the youngest person to know about that! Comes from paying attention.
Like when the teacher was writing on the blackboard, with chalk. Where does chalk come from? Does it have any other uses? Are there different brands of chalk, and do they have different characteristics? What happens to those little pieces of chalk that are too small to write with? Is there anything we can do with them? Why does it seem to have a smell? It shouldn't. Does it have a taste too? Let me taste some...
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Like when the teacher was writing on the blackboard, with chalk. Where does chalk come from? Does it have any other uses? Are there different brands of chalk, and do they have different characteristics? What happens to those little pieces of chalk that are too small to write with? Is there anything we can do with them? Why does it seem to have a smell? It shouldn't. Does it have a taste too? Let me taste some...
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One of the kid's friends has been coming around and eating the chalk off the chalkboard. She's gone through about 120 sticks so far, and now I'm struggling to remember where I got the big box of chalk... because she's very sweetly asking for more. All I can figure is she's seriously craving calcium, or she's got some awful kind of heartburn.
Not to worry; I'll get some Tums, too, and be sure to tell her it's the same stuff, just more refined.
Quote: rxwineSee, I think Drich should just leave S. Florida and do his beach vacation in Vegas at Mandalay Bay beach. "11 acres of, imported sand, a 1.6-million-gallon wave pool, and a lazy river"
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I spent 30 years on the Vegas beach, that was enough for me.
At 65, I started receiving three pensions, did some traveling and gambled a bunch. I also sold my entire stock portfolio prior to the "crash." My income now is in the 6 figure range, and my SS pays more than all my living expenses.
As I posted once before, I am a 1%'er (as defined as someone born before 1943 with 99% of humanity dead). So, the WOO math shows that even with life expectancies increasing now, your odds of living to my age 85 in June is 1%.
My life right now is still pretty fair even with my current health issues: Type 2 diabetes very well controlled with pills and an A1C of 6.5 and Stage 5 kidney failure being handled with dialysis 3 times a week. All in all, my life is good, and my mind is still pretty sharp.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymI retired at my age 61. Sold my businesses. Collected my SS at 62 and paid off my house. Started doing volunteer work teaching at risk kids reading and comprehension along with working at the local food bank. I also was engaged in swimming 3,000 meters a day competing in Masters competitions all over the country.
At 65, I started receiving three pensions, did some traveling and gambled a bunch. I also sold my entire stock portfolio prior to the "crash." My income now is in the 6 figure range, and my SS pays more than all my living expenses.
As I posted once before, I am a 1%'er (as defined as someone born before 1943 with 99% of humanity dead). So, the WOO math shows that even with life expectancies increasing now, your odds of living to my age 85 in June is 1%.
My life right now is still pretty fair even with my current health issues: Type 2 diabetes very well controlled with pills and an A1C of 6.5 and Stage 5 kidney failure being handled with dialysis 3 times a week. All in all, my life is good, and my mind is still pretty sharp.
tuttigym
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You get dialysis three times a week and you say life is good? I've known a couple of people who got dialysis three times a week and their life was anything but good. Their life was miserable because it seemed like all they did was get dialysis. 4 hours of dialysis basically every other day, If you think that's good you must be easy to please.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigymI retired at my age 61. Sold my businesses. Collected my SS at 62 and paid off my house. Started doing volunteer work teaching at risk kids reading and comprehension along with working at the local food bank. I also was engaged in swimming 3,000 meters a day competing in Masters competitions all over the country.
At 65, I started receiving three pensions, did some traveling and gambled a bunch. I also sold my entire stock portfolio prior to the "crash." My income now is in the 6 figure range, and my SS pays more than all my living expenses.
As I posted once before, I am a 1%'er (as defined as someone born before 1943 with 99% of humanity dead). So, the WOO math shows that even with life expectancies increasing now, your odds of living to my age 85 in June is 1%.
My life right now is still pretty fair even with my current health issues: Type 2 diabetes very well controlled with pills and an A1C of 6.5 and Stage 5 kidney failure being handled with dialysis 3 times a week. All in all, my life is good, and my mind is still pretty sharp.
tuttigym
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You get dialysis three times a week and you say life is good? I've known a couple of people who got dialysis three times a week and their life was anything but good. Their life was miserable because it seemed like all they did was get dialysis. 4 hours of dialysis basically every other day, If you think that's good you must be easy to please.
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Yep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
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You get dialysis three times a week and you say life is good? I've known a couple of people who got dialysis three times a week and their life was anything but good. Their life was miserable because it seemed like all they did was get dialysis. 4 hours of dialysis basically every other day, If you think that's good you must be easy to please.
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Yep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
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If you told me the sun was shining I would have to look out my window to verify it because you just telling me is not enough. Because I can't verify anything in your post I'll just have to file it in the circular basket next to my desk with a huge guffaw.
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You get dialysis three times a week and you say life is good? I've known a couple of people who got dialysis three times a week and their life was anything but good. Their life was miserable because it seemed like all they did was get dialysis. 4 hours of dialysis basically every other day, If you think that's good you must be easy to please.
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Yep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
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If you told me the sun was shining I would have to look out my window to verify it because you just telling me is not enough. Because I can't verify anything in your post I'll just have to file it in the circular basket next to my desk with a huge guffaw.
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My credibility exceeds yours by light years. One could count on one finger the forum members that accept and believe your garbage posts.
tuttigym
Quote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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Yep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
Tutti,
Just curious, do you mind telling us how long you have been on dialysis? I am currently in Stage 3 chronic kidney disease. Do you recall your time frame from stage 3 to stage 5?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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I can't imagine how awful it must be to have to inject yourself every day or several times a day. To have a colostomy, to use urinary catheters, incontinence products, wheelchair, dialysis, to be blind or deaf, dementia, mental illness. Those things seem like a fate worse than death to me too. But I've never had to. Despite being in my 60s, I have never been hospitalized, never had surgery, never been in an ambulance and take no medications. So I have no familiarity with those things, and my imagination of how they must be is terrible.
But if one day any of those things come for me, I suppose I will get used to it just like a billion others have, including Tuttigym and others here, and realize it's not so terrible. Just like when you were a little kid, and you saw an old man and thought "I hope I'm never like him!" Then you get there and say "That's all it is? That's not so bad. " And you might feel a little ridiculous for fearing it. If somebody tells me they're doing fine in some condition I take them at their word. They're the one doing it and I'm not.
Quote: DRichQuote: tuttigymYep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
Tutti,
Just curious, do you mind telling us how long you have been on dialysis? I am currently in Stage 3 chronic kidney disease. Do you recall your time frame from stage 3 to stage 5?
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oh my.. so does many old people have Stage x chronic kidney disease?
and have to go on dialysis on a regular basis?
That's what i'm looking at for reaching age 80+?
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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I can't imagine how awful it must be to have to inject yourself every day or several times a day. To have a colostomy, to use urinary catheters, incontinence products, wheelchair, dialysis, to be blind or deaf, dementia, mental illness. Those things seem like a fate worse than death to me too. But I've never had to. Despite being in my 60s, I have never been hospitalized, never had surgery, never been in an ambulance and take no medications. So I have no familiarity with those things, and my imagination of how they must be is terrible.
But if one day any of those things come for me, I suppose I will get used to it just like a billion others have, including Tuttigym and others here, and realize it's not so terrible. Just like when you were a little kid, and you saw an old man and thought "I hope I'm never like him!" Then you get there and say "That's all it is? That's not so bad. " And you might feel a little ridiculous for fearing it. If somebody tells me they're doing fine in some condition I take them at their word. They're the one doing it and I'm not.
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As things stop working, you can decide if you want another day or not. Those unpleasant inconveniences are the price of admission. I remember a pretty clear moment.about two months after heart surgery when I decided I was sick of laying around feeling sorry for myself, and was going to get back to living. The rehab nurses said that within a few days, my recovery went from mediocre to good.
As for injections, one of my doctors wants to take me off one of the dozen daily pills I'm on, and put me on an equivalent weekly injection. I told her that I believed that would be reduced quality of life, and I sure as heck didn't plan on stabbing myself when the pills were (mostly) working.
congratulations on jumping that shark
Quote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Thanks, SOOPOO. In my "pod," during my session time there are between 10 and 12 patients getting treatment at the same time. They all seem to be doing "well." I have not witnessed any "extreme" physical outcomes during their sessions. That is not to say there have not been any during "recovery" after their time on the machine. Of course, I have no real knowledge of their total health picture during their off time. For me, there is NO recovery time. I finish, pack my bag, weigh out, leave, get in my car and drive home.
Thanks for the "good for you." It means alot.
tuttigym
Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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You said in a previous post, you knew only two (2) dialysis patients. Hardly a valid sample. Your world view is so jaundiced and negative that reading your cruddy posts is a lesson to turn away from.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Thanks, SOOPOO. In my "pod," during my session time there are between 10 and 12 patients getting treatment at the same time. They all seem to be doing "well." I have not witnessed any "extreme" physical outcomes during their sessions. That is not to say there have not been any during "recovery" after their time on the machine. Of course, I have no real knowledge of their total health picture during their off time. For me, there is NO recovery time. I finish, pack my bag, weigh out, leave, get in my car and drive home.
Thanks for the "good for you." It means alot.
tuttigym
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Do they have individual TVs these days? When my friend was getting it, her biggest complaint was sharing televisions with everyone in her group.
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Yep. I get up at 4:30 a.m. wash my face with hot water, brush my teeth, make coffee, read the news and sports on my iPad, jump in my car and drive to dialysis. After my session, I drink my hot cup of coffee have something to eat and do chores around the house or play games and watch some TV. That's on dialysis days.
On non-dialysis days, I volunteer at the food bank for about three hours, do some shopping, and run some errands as needed. I only sleep about fours a day, so there is lots of free time and some boredom.
No MISERY as my energy level is pretty high and physicality, i.e., walking and driving is good. Been doing this for about a year and a half. It is almost like going to work on a very short day.
Your posts, EB reflect your sorry state almost always.
tuttigym
Tutti,
Just curious, do you mind telling us how long you have been on dialysis? I am currently in Stage 3 chronic kidney disease. Do you recall your time frame from stage 3 to stage 5?
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Great questions. I have been on dialysis for almost a year and a half. There were some hiccups. They started me with catheters in my chest which had to be replaced one time. Very inconvenient. Then they placed an access in my left arm just below the bicep (fistula). That was after about six weeks using the catheter. All those procedures were outpatient events. It took a while to get used to getting up early, during the winter cold, getting to the center, and getting hooked up, and the boredom during treatments. Getting stuck with two needles wasn't too bad, but the process got easier as time went by.
I was at stage 3 and 4 for a very long time, at least 3 years. The key were the labs, and the main component was CREATINEN. During all that time, I had no adverse physical effects (vomiting, nausea, diaharrea). I am sure that everyone is different, so you just have to schedule kidney doctor appointments to stay on top of the progress of the disease.
When the "time" came to get treatment, I was so far gone, lab wise, my doctor told me, "That ship has sailed."
Now a year and a half has gone by. I am used to the routine, my labs are very much improved, i.e. creatinine has dropped by over a third, and physical self-have had no complications or discomfort.
Because I get treatment in the early a.m., I have at a day and a half to do personal stuff and food bank volunteering. So for me, all is good.
tuttigym
Quote: billryanQuote: tuttigymQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Thanks, SOOPOO. In my "pod," during my session time there are between 10 and 12 patients getting treatment at the same time. They all seem to be doing "well." I have not witnessed any "extreme" physical outcomes during their sessions. That is not to say there have not been any during "recovery" after their time on the machine. Of course, I have no real knowledge of their total health picture during their off time. For me, there is NO recovery time. I finish, pack my bag, weigh out, leave, get in my car and drive home.
Thanks for the "good for you." It means alot.
tuttigym
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Do they have individual TVs these days? When my friend was getting it, her biggest complaint was sharing televisions with everyone in her group.
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Yes, each station has their own individual TV. Programming is on Direct TV but limited to about 30 programming choices. Some of the TV's need to be replaced, but fortunately my TV is okay. If it goes bad, this old dude will make it very uncomfortable for the center's support staff as the billing averages about $150,000 a month.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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You said in a previous post, you knew only two (2) dialysis patients. Hardly a valid sample. Your world view is so jaundiced and negative that reading your cruddy posts is a lesson to turn away from.
tuttigym
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That's today. Years ago when I had the cab company we had the contract with the local dialysis clinic and we hauled people to dialysis all week long and I knew dozens of them and they were all completely miserable. I would say they were 80% morbidly obese black women. I never met one of them that didn't look like they wanted to kill themselves but didn't have the guts to do it. They were always depressed, always weak, most of them used some kind of support when they were walking. I wouldn't wish dialysis on anybody
Quote: tuttigymQuote: billryanDo they have individual TVs these days? When my friend was getting it, her biggest complaint was sharing televisions with everyone in her group.
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Yes, each station has their own individual TV. Programming is on Direct TV but limited to about 30 programming choices. Some of the TV's need to be replaced, but fortunately my TV is okay. If it goes bad, this old dude will make it very uncomfortable for the center's support staff as the billing averages about $150,000 a month.
tuttigym
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$150k/month??
20% copay is $30k/month unless the center is just bilking Medicare and waving the copay to entice you to keep coming to their center
Quote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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You said in a previous post, you knew only two (2) dialysis patients. Hardly a valid sample. Your world view is so jaundiced and negative that reading your cruddy posts is a lesson to turn away from.
tuttigym
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That's today. Years ago when I had the cab company we had the contract with the local dialysis clinic and we hauled people to dialysis all week long and I knew dozens of them and they were all completely miserable. I would say they were 80% morbidly obese black women. I never met one of them that didn't look like they wanted to kill themselves but didn't have the guts to do it. They were always depressed, always weak, most of them used some kind of support when they were walking. I wouldn't wish dialysis on anybody
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You see EB, this post is exactly why your credibility is in the toilet. Totally out of touch with today's real world. "years ago"? how many 40/50? "dozens"? "knew"? Tell us about the conversations specifically how they defined "miserable."
My current real-world facility is about 50/50 black/white. There is one black woman, and she weighs less than 110 lbs. As far as their misery level, don't know, but their conversations with our professional staff are pretty much upbeat.
So, posting unverifiable and prejudiced crap just to fit your negative post is why most of us here disregard you as irrelevant.
tuttigym
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: tuttigymQuote: billryanDo they have individual TVs these days? When my friend was getting it, her biggest complaint was sharing televisions with everyone in her group.
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Yes, each station has their own individual TV. Programming is on Direct TV but limited to about 30 programming choices. Some of the TV's need to be replaced, but fortunately my TV is okay. If it goes bad, this old dude will make it very uncomfortable for the center's support staff as the billing averages about $150,000 a month.
tuttigym
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$150k/month??
20% copay is $30k/month unless the center is just bilking Medicare and waving the copay to entice you to keep coming to their center
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That is the BILLED amount, and you are right I believe they are scamming the payor, in this case, the VA. The amount paid by the VA is between $30 and $42k. I have no co-pays since the VA has accepted the claim. There may come a time when I might ask the VA to do a deep dive into the various charges, but right now, I am not going to make any waves.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOYou have a great attitude, tutti! My lifelong experience taking care of dialysis patients does not paint a pretty picture. Most just don’t do as well as you are doing! But I have no reason to disbelieve you. Good for you!
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Do as well as he says he's doing is putting it mildly. Every dialysis patient I've ever known has been absolutely miserable because it's a miserable life getting dialysis three times a week. You just start to get over the fatigue muscle cramps nausea and dizziness and it's time for your next dialysis session. But not for Superman Tutti, for him he races with pleasure to get the treatment and goes dancing in the park afterwards.
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You said in a previous post, you knew only two (2) dialysis patients. Hardly a valid sample. Your world view is so jaundiced and negative that reading your cruddy posts is a lesson to turn away from.
tuttigym
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That's today. Years ago when I had the cab company we had the contract with the local dialysis clinic and we hauled people to dialysis all week long and I knew dozens of them and they were all completely miserable. I would say they were 80% morbidly obese black women. I never met one of them that didn't look like they wanted to kill themselves but didn't have the guts to do it. They were always depressed, always weak, most of them used some kind of support when they were walking. I wouldn't wish dialysis on anybody
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You see EB, this post is exactly why your credibility is in the toilet. Totally out of touch with today's real world. "years ago"? how many 40/50? "dozens"? "knew"? Tell us about the conversations specifically how they defined "miserable."
My current real-world facility is about 50/50 black/white. There is one black woman, and she weighs less than 110 lbs. As far as their misery level, don't know, but their conversations with our professional staff are pretty much upbeat.
So, posting unverifiable and prejudiced crap just to fit your negative post is why most of us here disregard you as irrelevant.
tuttigym
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This is for normal people of course none of these would affect YOU. For YOU it's a pleasant experience that you never want to end
Dialysis Most Frequent Side Effects. Fatigue: Extreme tiredness is the most common, often affecting people for hours or days after treatment. Low Blood Pressure (Hypotension): Causes dizziness, nausea, or lightheadedness, often due to fluid removal during treatment. Muscle Cramps: Typically occurring in legs towards the end of a session, often due to rapid fluid/electrolyte shifts. Itchy Skin (Pruritus): Often linked to high phosphorus levels. Fluid Overload Symptoms: Swelling (edema) in legs and stomach, or difficulty breathing, caused by too much fluid between treatments.
As far as the racial thing goes blacks are four times more likely to be on dialysis than whites. The reason I saw so many black people was the government was paying for their rides in the taxi so these were the poorest of the poor from the poorest neighborhoods.
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As far as the racial thing goes blacks are four times more likely to be on dialysis than whites. The reason I saw so many black people was the government was paying for their rides in the taxi so these were the poorest of the poor from the poorest neighborhoods.
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Which begs the question of how many of those people really needed dialysis. Anything so dependent on government money is going to be dirty, and in communities that are predisposed to be involved in scams and schemes, how many doctors got a little envelope from the dialysis center to prescribe it? There are cheaper and easier ways to do dialysis; it can be done at home with modern equipment, but I'm sure the people at the dialysis center have a bunch of reasons why that's no good, because... something.
Reminds me of when I moved to Vegas, how difficult it was to find a dentist who would clean my teeth! They all try to sign you up for the "deep cleaning" scam, which is an invasive and crazy expensive procedure that would benefit only people with the most severe forms of periodontal disease, but they try to sell to everyone who walks into that office. It's a replacement for the "fluoride treatments" they used to hard-sell.
The reason why it's done here is there's a dental practice in every strip mall, and a large population of Third Worlders whose idea of dental care is cleaning your teeth with rat bones or something, so they need to squeeze every penny out of everybody who walks in that door or it's not easy or worth it to stay in business. Without a scam to run, they might as well sell the dental chairs and be a smoke shop or nail salon. So every time I would go to one, I got the song and dance: "Oh no, you have severe gum disease! You need the Deep Cleaning! I'd lose my license if I just did a regular cleaning!" Now I get a little offended when I'm being played for a fool, and I had some sarcastic responses. "Funny, I go to the dentist every 6 months, and this is the first time I'm hearing anything about having gum disease. When I filled out the medical history questionnaire, did I accidentally check the box for Mental Retardation? I am leaving." With a bit of work and reading reviews, I found a dentist who does not participate in that and got my usual cleaning at the usual price and no problems at all.
Quote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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Two weeks, under ideal conditions. Days, in most cases.
Quote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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We have a guy at the office waiting for transplant. The donor has been found; she's just keeping his kidney fresh until he's good and ready for it.
He had to give up hotdogs as he couldn't clear the excess salts out with his dwindling function.
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Two weeks, under ideal conditions. Days, in most cases.
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I am a glass half full guy. The doctors told my parents I probably wasn't going to make it at age 13, somehow I am still going.
Quote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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It is something to think about. Lots of doctors don't recommend dialysis because of the quality of life lost. Roughly 25% of people who decide to have dialysis end up having treatment regret, they wish they hadn't done it.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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It is something to think about. Lots of doctors don't recommend dialysis because of the quality of life lost. Roughly 25% of people who decide to have dialysis end up having treatment regret, they wish they hadn't done it.
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I would almost for sure refuse it. Find the way to go with the least discomfort at the end.
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It is something to think about. Lots of doctors don't recommend dialysis because of the quality of life lost. Roughly 25% of people who decide to have dialysis end up having treatment regret, they wish they hadn't done it.
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I would almost for sure refuse it. Find the way to go with the least discomfort at the end.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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It is something to think about. Lots of doctors don't recommend dialysis because of the quality of life lost. Roughly 25% of people who decide to have dialysis end up having treatment regret, they wish they hadn't done it.
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I would almost for sure refuse it. Find the way to go with the least discomfort at the end.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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What you're explaining is something many don't realize- that these treatments for chronic or terminal disease are almost always palliative as well as life sustaining.
I've had people tell me that if they got a cancer diagnosis they would refuse the chemotherapy and "just die." Well no, you don't "just die," and even if it is certain you are going to die of it, where and how that disease metastasizes is going to determine what you experience before you die, what condition your body and mind will be in, and how the people around you will remember you. I would think it the same with kidney failure, where the dialysis is no fun but the alternative is worse.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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Never ever trust anything the quackarooney Medical Establishment tells you without getting three or four other opinions from various sources. The current medical establishment has one thing on its mind, making money off of you. The longer they can keep you alive the more money they make. Plain and simple. They do not give one crap about how much you suffer they only care about how much your insurance company will fork over. You literally have to be your own doctor now because the medical profession stopped caring about us 40 years ago. Ever notice how the medical profession is great about treatments after you're sick but they absolutely suck to the extreme in preventing illness from happening. That's because there's no money in preventing illness But there's millions in treating it. Every doctor in the last 75 years has gotten into the profession to make money. Just ask any of the multiple ex wives most doctors have. They know the score.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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Never ever trust anything the quackarooney Medical Establishment tells you without getting three or four other opinions from various sources. The current medical establishment has one thing on its mind, making money off of you. The longer they can keep you alive the more money they make. Plain and simple. They do not give one crap about how much you suffer they only care about how much your insurance company will fork over. You literally have to be your own doctor now because the medical profession stopped caring about us 40 years ago. Ever notice how the medical profession is great about treatments after you're sick but they absolutely suck to the extreme in preventing illness from happening. That's because there's no money in preventing illness But there's millions in treating it. Every doctor in the last 75 years has gotten into the profession to make money. Just ask any of the multiple ex wives most doctors have. They know the score.
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That seems extreme.
A number of doctors were on me for years to improve this, or adjust that. Since nothing was severely wrong, I didn't, and just kept on keeping on.
If you aren't bleeding, you don't need a band-aid, and it's pretty easy to ignore the cautionary warnings.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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Never ever trust anything the quackarooney Medical Establishment tells you without getting three or four other opinions from various sources. The current medical establishment has one thing on its mind, making money off of you. The longer they can keep you alive the more money they make. Plain and simple. They do not give one crap about how much you suffer they only care about how much your insurance company will fork over. You literally have to be your own doctor now because the medical profession stopped caring about us 40 years ago. Ever notice how the medical profession is great about treatments after you're sick but they absolutely suck to the extreme in preventing illness from happening. That's because there's no money in preventing illness But there's millions in treating it. Every doctor in the last 75 years has gotten into the profession to make money. Just ask any of the multiple ex wives most doctors have. They know the score.
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That seems extreme.
A number of doctors were on me for years to improve this, or adjust that. Since nothing was severely wrong, I didn't, and just kept on keeping on.
If you aren't bleeding, you don't need a band-aid, and it's pretty easy to ignore the cautionary warnings.
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Do you not realize you just endorsed my entire post. You just reiterated what I was saying. Be your own doctor Don't trust any of them They're just a bunch of quacks.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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Never ever trust anything the quackarooney Medical Establishment tells you without getting three or four other opinions from various sources. The current medical establishment has one thing on its mind, making money off of you. The longer they can keep you alive the more money they make. Plain and simple. They do not give one crap about how much you suffer they only care about how much your insurance company will fork over. You literally have to be your own doctor now because the medical profession stopped caring about us 40 years ago. Ever notice how the medical profession is great about treatments after you're sick but they absolutely suck to the extreme in preventing illness from happening. That's because there's no money in preventing illness But there's millions in treating it. Every doctor in the last 75 years has gotten into the profession to make money. Just ask any of the multiple ex wives most doctors have. They know the score.
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That seems extreme.
A number of doctors were on me for years to improve this, or adjust that. Since nothing was severely wrong, I didn't, and just kept on keeping on.
If you aren't bleeding, you don't need a band-aid, and it's pretty easy to ignore the cautionary warnings.
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Do you not realize you just endorsed my entire post. You just reiterated what I was saying. Be your own doctor Don't trust any of them They're just a bunch of quacks.
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I think you might not be considering the fellow's medical history that he has discussed here.
If all doctors are quacks they know they are quacks. But doctors go to doctors. Why? We are not as good as we think we are at being our own doctors, even when we are doctors. Incidentally, a couple of nurses have told me the worst patient you can ever have on your floor is a doctor and I believe them.
I don't think they're quacks. Just like no kid who ever dreamed of becoming a cop became one so he could shake down drug dealers, torture arrestees and falsify reports, no kid who dreamed of becoming a doctor wanted to engage in billing fraud, malpractice, and battery of patients. But I tend to avoid them myself. It's an experiment I'm doing.
There's a thin line to be tread. I do believe that most doctors will do whatever they can to get as much money out of Medicare, Medicaid, or your insurance company as possible, but at the same time, most will not hurt you or give you substandard care to those ends. It's unfair to call them quacks. There are doctors who are drunks, addicts, heavy smokers, seriously overweight, and all that proves is they have the same problems as anybody else. I can't help but feel sorry for a doctor who has a huge belly and reeks of smoke telling a patient he needs to quit smoking and lose weight. How embarrassed he must feel. Give him a break.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI have dreaded the thought of doing dialysis and told myself I won't do it. Who knows, maybe I will change my mind when the time comes. I probably still have a few years before that will come into play. I have two family members that have already volunteered to give me a kidney but they haven't been tested yet for a match. I have lived the last 47 years with one kidney, how long can I go with no kidneys?
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It is something to think about. Lots of doctors don't recommend dialysis because of the quality of life lost. Roughly 25% of people who decide to have dialysis end up having treatment regret, they wish they hadn't done it.
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I would almost for sure refuse it. Find the way to go with the least discomfort at the end.
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The problem with that attitude is this….. when you first ‘need’ dialysis you have exhausted all the medical tries and feel like crap because of the poisons your body can’t clear. So you are feeling terrible and dialysis will make you feel better. Not good (usually) but better.
When first offered dialysis you tend not to be on death’s door. Refusing will tend to be a drawn out process of slowly feeling worse and worse. You are not first offered dialysis when you have no kidney function.
I’ve taken care of literally thousands of kidney failure patients. The best experiences were for those getting transplants to get OFF dialysis.
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In Econ this is "sunk costs theory." I have explored some of it for prostate cancer, which is probably how I will go. I hear where you are coming from. And it could be a case of take treatment at first then eventually give up. I did see a video where in some states you can elect to have someone come to your place and end it all. On one level just like you do for a dog, OTOH if you are suffering more clean and humane.
Quote:if people did a home urine test for high protein might more early kidney failure be detected?
Yes, home urine tests for high protein can significantly increase the detection of early kidney disease, often catching it before any physical symptoms appear. Because kidney damage is frequently "silent" until function drops below 25%, early screening via protein detection is one of the most effective ways to prevent irreversible failure.Why Home Testing Helps Detection Catching the "Silent" Stage: High protein (proteinuria) is often the very first sign of kidney damage, appearing well before symptoms like fatigue or swelling. Bridging the Screening Gap: Despite guidelines recommending annual tests for high-risk groups, many people skip these clinic visits. Studies show that offering home kits can increase screening rates by over 2.5 times in populations with hypertension or diabetes.Early Intervention: Detecting protein early allows for lifestyle changes and medications that can slow or even halt the progression of kidney disease, potentially delaying the need for dialysis by decades.
Of course, a positive home test does not indicate kidney failure, but it would be a good reason to actually see a real doctor. Home urine tests are usually pretty cheap also.
Don't buy one off TEMU either.
if this AI opinion is true it's odd that in my experience doctors have dropped urine tests altogether and just do blood testsQuote: rxwine
Of course, a positive home test does not indicate kidney failure, but it would be a good reason to actually see a real doctor. Home urine tests are usually pretty cheap also.
Don't buy one off TEMU either.
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Re Temu, if you buy something from them be prepared for the most irritating follow-up emails ever, such as "we sent you 6 boxes" ... meanwhile you ordered nothing. The boxes are things to click on to "save money" or somesuch
Dentists are even worse IMOQuote: EvenBob
Never ever trust anything the quackarooney Medical Establishment tells you without getting three or four other opinions from various sources. The current medical establishment has one thing on its mind, making money off of you. The longer they can keep you alive the more money they make. Plain and simple. They do not give one crap about how much you suffer they only care about how much your insurance company will fork over. You literally have to be your own doctor now because the medical profession stopped caring about us 40 years ago. Ever notice how the medical profession is great about treatments after you're sick but they absolutely suck to the extreme in preventing illness from happening. That's because there's no money in preventing illness But there's millions in treating it. Every doctor in the last 75 years has gotten into the profession to make money. Just ask any of the multiple ex wives most doctors have. They know the score.
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as for MDs, of the ones that aren't quacks, they are likely to be totally under the spell of the drug companies to the degree that they think their job entails being a drug dispenser
Quote: odiousgambitif this AI opinion is true it's odd that in my experience doctors have dropped urine tests altogether and just do blood testsQuote: rxwine
Of course, a positive home test does not indicate kidney failure, but it would be a good reason to actually see a real doctor. Home urine tests are usually pretty cheap also.
Don't buy one off TEMU either.
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Re Temu, if you buy something from them be prepared for the most irritating follow-up emails ever, such as "we sent you 6 boxes" ... meanwhile you ordered nothing. The boxes are things to click on to "save money" or somesuch
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Because I didn't expect anyone would be able to as easily do a home blood test is why I only suggested the easy urine dip stick test. The doc is not going to use only a urine test.
Quote:Certain short-term situations can cause your kidneys to temporarily leak more protein than usual. These are usually harmless and resolve on their own once the cause is gone. Common triggers include:Strenuous Exercise: Intense physical activity is one of the most common causes of temporary protein spikes.Fever or Illness: Having a high temperature or an infection (like a UTI) can cause a brief rise in protein.Dehydration: When you aren't drinking enough water, your urine becomes more concentrated, which can result in a positive test.Stress: High levels of emotional or physical stress can also lead to short-term protein leakage.
