Covid vaccine poll

Quote: darkoz

This is true but judging from my personal time actually homeless and living on the Subway and street that "grade" of homeless that is high enough to get a smartphone is a minority.

Majority of homeless don't have smartphone, don't have long term plans and have panhandling as their primary if not only income.

They have addiction problems, yes. Sadly they are the majority.

I met one man who was homeless but worked at the United Nations. He actually slept in a suit.

I met another who worked for the Harlem Globetrotters. He wasn't a Globetrotter, he worked for them. He claimed he was on the road so much it made no sense to keep a home. When they were between road trips he slept the streets. He had a locker where he kept his belongings. He probably could have afforded to get a place but was making a thrifty choice.

So, yes, that higher grade of homeless does exist but few and far between

What years does your experience cover. The proliferation of smartphones has been rapid

Quote: unJon

What years does your experience cover. The proliferation of smartphones has been rapid

2011 - 2013 were my street years.

I knew quite a few homeless who couldn't afford socks. They religiously gathered at a particular time on certain days that socks were handed out.

I just don't see them owning AND maintaining service on smart phones

There’s definitely levels of homeless. Some fully employed living in vehicles, gym memberships to shower daily that are just cheap or rent compared to their wages is high enough it’s just a financial decision not to spend half their income on rent. I think those living in weekly/monthly extended stay hotel situations, airbnb, or RV’s without a permanent address outside of a mailbox are also considered homeless by the government. Those levels are better off financially than many apartment dwellers.

Quote: mcallister3200

There’s definitely levels of homeless. Some fully employed living in vehicles, gym memberships to shower daily that are just cheap or rent compared to their wages is high enough it’s just a financial decision not to spend half their income on rent. I think those living in weekly/monthly extended stay hotel situations, airbnb, or RV’s without a permanent address outside of a mailbox are also considered homeless by the government. Those levels are better off financially than many apartment dwellers.

My understanding is that this represents the majority of homeless people at any given time, but these people are usually just passing through. They spend a considerable less time homeless than the addicts or mentally ill. If they have employment, or are willing and able to work, they can eventually find an apartment. Hopefully they can find some stability, but might bounce back and forth between having housing and not having it. It is definitely possible to have a smartphone with those living conditions; it is also pretty obvious that some of them are going to pass on the $60 per month to have one. Overall this group is going to have less internet access than the rest of the country. And they'll have even more problems more barriers to to vaccines than just . Can they afford the two days off of work it requires? Would they want to pay for gas or spend an entire day on the bus?

Quote: darkoz

He asked his host!

NICE ONE!!!!

Quote: AZDuffman

Now, mentally ill homeless or addicts who will do anything just to get a high those might be far less likely to have a phone.

And I highly doubt those people care about getting a COVID vaccine.

Quote: mcallister3200

There’s definitely levels of homeless. Some fully employed living in vehicles, gym memberships to shower daily that are just cheap or rent compared to their wages is high enough it’s just a financial decision not to spend half their income on rent. I think those living in weekly/monthly extended stay hotel situations, airbnb, or RV’s without a permanent address outside of a mailbox are also considered homeless by the government. Those levels are better off financially than many apartment dwellers.

I have not seen it but worked at a place or two where they said they thought a worker was this kind of homeless. Few changes of clothes and disappeared into some nook of the building after work. If you can get a gig at a job with an employee gym and showers and have a car you can probably make it work for months.

Holly Hallstrom was homeless for months after she lost her TPiR gig. Lived in her car.

I maintain that if you are homeless and trying to get out of the situation a phone is the first or second thing you get, along with your forms of ID. As even accurately counting the homeless is near impossible because of both logistics and politics to say how many are this type I agree is impossible.

Quote: AxelWolf

And I highly doubt those people care about getting a COVID vaccine.

I am with them on that part!

Quote: AZDuffman

How do you figure that? Homeless people have smartphones.

Quote: AZDuffman

A person trying to get out of being homeless would be smart to get a phone so job prospects can call them. Or possible living situations. You are talking $50 a month if you do it right.

On this forum the rules are that you can't insult the poster, but can attack the post or idea. Well I am calling these statement absurd.

Homeless people do not have smart phones with re-occurring $50 monthly charges. I volunteered at a homeless shelter for many years until just recently and it wasn't just any homeless shelter, it was a youth homeless shelter (which means up to age 24), the very demographic more tech savvy, who would have a smart phone if they had the resources and very few if any did. Again, homeless do not have re-occurring charges. They don't have the means to pay re-occurring charges. Completely absurd. That is just something someone that has no clue about homeless people would say.

However, the argument isn't about homeless people, Nor is it about smart phones. Having a smart phone does NOT put one on equal footing to someone with a computer and high speed internet access. NOT for this situation, where people are searching many sites and locations looking for available appointments, with the need to constantly be re-freshing.

This argument is about lower income households of which minorities fall into that category and high speed internet service in the home, because that is what is needed to find and schedule an appointment for vaccine. And to that the data shows 94% of household with an income above 100k have high speed internet at home, 88% with an income of 50k and above, dropping to 71% for an income of 25k and above and less than 50% for income below 25k. And those numbers directly corelate with minority households.

And if you want to break it sown by race, 12% fewer black households have internet service than white households. Those are the numbers, so just stop. And this translates into BLACKS HAVING LESS OPPORTUNITY TO FIND AND SCHEDULE COVID VACCINES...PERIOD! And while I didn't look up Latino household, the numbers surely are similar.

As I stated earlier, internet access, in the home, not a public place like a library are essential because the blocks of appointments become available daily in the early pre-dawn AM hours.

In addition, also as I stated earlier, internet access is only part of the equation in which blacks an Latinos are disadvantaged in getting the vaccine. Since appointments often 20, 30, 100 miles or more away, transportation is also a factor. and the fact is more lower income people and that would be minorities depend and use public transportation.

Again the bottom line is minorities are disadvantaged in THIS process compared to their white counterparts and anyone arguing otherwise, is not being honest and making up facts. And the results bare this out. Whites are being vaccinated at higher percentages than their numbers and minorities less. So Just stop!

Quote: kewlj

On this forum the rules are that you can't insult the poster, but can attack the post or idea. Well I am calling these statement absurd.

Homeless people do not have smart phones with re-occurring $50 monthly charges. I volunteered at a homeless shelter for many years until just recently and it wasn't just any homeless shelter, it was a youth homeless shelter (which means up to age 24), the very demographic more tech savvy, who would have a smart phone if they had the resources and very few if any did. Again, homeless do not have re-occurring charges. They don't have the means to pay re-occurring charges. Completely absurd. That is just something someone that has no clue about homeless people would say.

Reoccurring charges probably not. But many people get burners or do a pay-as-you-go phone.

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However, the argument isn't about homeless people, Nor is it about smart phones. Having a smart phone does NOT put one on equal footing to someone with a computer and high speed internet access. NOT for this situation, where people are searching many sites and locations looking for available appointments, with the need to constantly be re-freshing.

This argument is about lower income households of which minorities fall into that category and high speed internet service in the home, because that is what is needed to find and schedule an appointment for vaccine. And to that the data shows 94% of household with an income above 100k have high speed internet at home, 88% with an income of 50k and above, dropping to 71% for an income of 25k and above and less than 50% for income below 25k. And those numbers directly corelate with minority households.

How many people have an income below $25000? Minimum wage alone gets you to $15000, but most employers are several dollars above this. You are talking about a very small slice of the population.

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And if you want to break it sown by race, 12% fewer black households have internet service than white households. Those are the numbers, so just stop. And this translates into BLACKS HAVING LESS OPPORTUNITY TO FIND AND SCHEDULE COVID VACCINES...PERIOD! And while I didn't look up Latino household, the numbers surely are similar.

As I stated earlier, internet access, in the home, not a public place like a library are essential because the blocks of appointments become available daily in the early pre-dawn AM hours.

In addition, also as I stated earlier, internet access is only part of the equation in which blacks an Latinos are disadvantaged in getting the vaccine. Since appointments often 20, 30, 100 miles or more away, transportation is also a factor. and the fact is more lower income people and that would be minorities depend and use public transportation.

Again the bottom line is minorities are disadvantaged in THIS process compared to their white counterparts and anyone arguing otherwise, is not being honest and making up facts. And the results bare this out. Whites are being vaccinated at higher percentages than their numbers and minorities less. So Just stop!

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Skin color is not important to me as to vaccinations.

Quote: AZDuffman

Reoccurring charges probably not. But many people get burners or do a pay-as-you-go phone.

You seem to be under this weird impression that homeless people have a lot of money to buy things. Most homeless people have the free government phones if they have phones and some of those have no internet capability and the ones that do, it is not good, certainly not comparable to high speed internet in a home.

Quote: AZDuffman

How many people have an income below $25000? Minimum wage alone gets you to $15000, but most employers are several dollars above this. You are talking about a very small slice of the population.

Do you bother to look these things up? 2019 data shows it was 18% before covid. I am guessing after nearly a year of lower income jobs having been lost and/or hours cut, you can easily double that at the moment.

Quote: AZDuffman

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Skin color is not important to me as to vaccinations.

Yes, we will. I am using data that explains the disadvantage in THIS process and the numbers, of whites being vaccinated at higher rates than their numbers while minorities are being vaccinated at lower rates than their numbers bare this out. Not really a whole lot more to argue. :/

You’re leaving out Asians conveniently and making it about whites. And you’re making it primarily about skin color rather than income level/job status, you know, the actually relevant factors that contribute here. The white guilt is quite strong in this one.

Quote: rxwine

I just lost my flip phone, I had for years

$20 for 3 months. 400 minutes.

It technically had Internet access. But it was completely unusable. Literally, I was never able to use it for anything, All it did was waste minutes. The only time I used it was when I accidently activated it.

If homeless are using that, they don't have Internet even though they do.

*of course I do have home internet with Cox cable & wifi , 3 smart phones, 2 used only for quadcopters, one for a real smart phone, 2 laptops, 1 desktop, and a oculus Rift, edit, and a mini Ipad4

My touchscreen Tracfone is 9 years old and fits the bill of near useless except for calls. Verizon said they were gonna shutoff 3G at the beginning of this year, but failed to do so. I don't think Tracfone will let me buy another year with this old phone. I've got about 6 weeks left on the service and 7000 triple minutes accumulated over 15 years. I used to use this phone for car emergencies, outgoing calls except calls from the tow truck. I feel bad about losing all those minutes and want to BYOP. I'm considering buying a Note 10 or Note 10 Plus on e-bay, open box hopefully for $500 or less. It would be similar enough to my current phone that it could act as a backup in case something happens to the regular phone. I could backup all the apps and documents to it. It won't have the same telephone number as my regular phone, but with Tracfone I could change the number if necessary. Data costs a lot on a Tracfone, so I'd be forced to buy a gig of data for $10 and just save that for updates. Pretty sure my last phone update for Android was just under 3 gigs.

My regular phone doesn't count wifi usage against me, Tracfone does.

I get a Note because I like the S-pen and I don't think I can use an onscreen keyboard without it.

Quote: mcallister3200

You’re leaving out Asians conveniently and making it about whites. And you’re making it primarily about skin color rather than income level/job status, you know, the actually relevant factors that contribute here. The white guilt is quite strong in this one.

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

Quote: darkoz

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

That might or might not be true. I have heard for years whites make up most people on welfare.

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Quote: darkoz

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

That might or might not be true. I have heard for years whites make up most people on welfare.

You heard it from whom? Bozo the clown?

It took me two seconds to get the info. What a wonderful Google world we live in. Of course, no point in you looking it up when it's going to prove you wrong, correct? Is that why you didn't bother?

Numbers are in the thousands for 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 followed by every year from 2000 to the present.

Top numbers are adults. Bottom numbers are youth.


Here is the link
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_32.asp

Quote: darkoz

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Quote: darkoz

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

That might or might not be true. I have heard for years whites make up most people on welfare.

You heard it from whom? Bozo the clown?

It took me two seconds to get the info. What a wonderful Google world we live in. Of course, no point in you looking it up when it's going to prove you wrong, correct? Is that why you didn't bother?

Numbers are in the thousands for 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 followed by every year from 2000 to the present.

Top numbers are adults. Bottom numbers are youth.


Here is the link
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_32.asp

I think you are reading that wrong. Those numbers are in percentages of population by race, not the actual numbers on assistance. Although the percentage of "Blacks" is four times that of "Whites" that does not mean that more "Black" people are on assistance than "Whites". As a percentage yes, not as the actual number as you said earlier.

Quote: DRich

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Quote: darkoz

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

That might or might not be true. I have heard for years whites make up most people on welfare.

You heard it from whom? Bozo the clown?

It took me two seconds to get the info. What a wonderful Google world we live in. Of course, no point in you looking it up when it's going to prove you wrong, correct? Is that why you didn't bother?

Numbers are in the thousands for 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 followed by every year from 2000 to the present.

Top numbers are adults. Bottom numbers are youth.


Here is the link
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_32.asp

I think you are reading that wrong. Those numbers are in percentages of population by race, not the actual numbers on assistance. Although the percentage of "Blacks" is four times that of "Whites" that does not mean that more "Black" people are on assistance than "Whites". As a percentage yes, not as the actual number as you said earlier.

Well if I am reading that wrong I apologise.

Nonetheless, when a minority has much greater percentage of it's population on PA that is still income inequity

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Quote: darkoz

It's a mixed (pun intended) observation.

You are correct it's about income not race. Poor whites have as difficult a time as poor minorities.

But this country has a larger population of lower income minorities than lower income whites

So, it suddenly becomes about race.

That might or might not be true. I have heard for years whites make up most people on welfare.

You heard it from whom? Bozo the clown?

It took me two seconds to get the info. What a wonderful Google world we live in. Of course, no point in you looking it up when it's going to prove you wrong, correct? Is that why you didn't bother?

Numbers are in the thousands for 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 followed by every year from 2000 to the present.

Top numbers are adults. Bottom numbers are youth.


Here is the link
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_32.asp

I think you are reading that wrong. Those numbers are in percentages of population by race, not the actual numbers on assistance. Although the percentage of "Blacks" is four times that of "Whites" that does not mean that more "Black" people are on assistance than "Whites". As a percentage yes, not as the actual number as you said earlier.

You beat me to this! Yes, what I heard for years was that it was racist to say blacks were on welfare because more whites collected than blacks. Now, it was always a game with numbers because at the time blacks were something like 40% of those on welfare but 12-13% the population. Anyone asking me for a cite don't because it was just something I heard over and over for years from different places.

But I knew the people here that jumped on it as they did would just how they did. If it was the other way around they would have used the raw numbers not the percentages. Whatever is needed to fit the narrative. In this case to somehow say we need to be giving the vaccine out based on skin color.

Anyone who has not read this book is really missing out.

Quote: DRich

Anyone who has not read this book is really missing out.

That was one of my required textbooks in college. Only it had a orange cover. It also wasn’t the only one for that class, But it’s the only one I remember in that class.

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, what I heard for years was that it was racist to say blacks were on welfare because more whites collected than blacks. Now, it was always a game with numbers because at the time blacks were something like 40% of those on welfare but 12-13% the population. Anyone asking me for a cite don't because it was just something I heard over and over for years from different places.

But I knew the people here that jumped on it as they did would just how they did. If it was the other way around they would have used the raw numbers not the percentages. Whatever is needed to fit the narrative. In this case to somehow say we need to be giving the vaccine out based on skin color.

You are really "something" the way you twist everything to your liking. I hope it is a lack of understanding rather than intentional, but the more you do it, the harder it is to give you the benefit of doubt. "for years I heard" is NOT a source of data. Try looking these numbers up and educate yourself.

I don't know how this thread reared so far off topic to be talking about smart phone and now welfare by race, but let me steer it slightly back on topic. I am going to talk about income levels rather than "welfare".

According to the 2010 census, the 3 largest groups of Americans by race were white 65%, Latino 16%, black 12%.
Now percentages living below the poverty level is white 44%, black 26%, and latino 24%.
Read those two lines again because THAT is what disparage looks like and what disparage IS.

AND it goes along the same line for a lot of these topic. Try looking up deaths from covid. More whites than any other group have died. But by percentage of population, blacks are more than twice as likely from to die from covid, and latinos are right there with blacks on the higher end. THAT is disparage.

And poverty level connects directly to this discussion. People at or below the poverty level are less likely to have the internet access to find and schedule an appointment and the transportation means necessary to get to an appointment not in their immediate vicinity, which many aren't. And this is exactly white whites are being vaccinated at a disparagingly higher levels compared to others. This isn't any kind of "I heard" nonsense. This is data and pure fact.

Quote: kewlj

You are really "something" the way you twist everything to your liking. I hope it is a lack of understanding rather than intentional, but the more you do it, the harder it is to give you the benefit of doubt. "for years I heard" is NOT a source of data. Try looking these numbers up and educate yourself.

I did not use it as a source of data. I used it as a source of people manipulating data to their own interests. And for that it is a valid thing.

As to how it got off topic it got off topic by people (not me) trying to make getting the vaccine both about skin color and to disparage white people for somehow figuring out how to get an appointment. If said people did not make it about skin color the detour would not have happened.

Quote: AZDuffman

I did not use it as a source of data. I used it as a source of people manipulating data to their own interests. And for that it is a valid thing.

As to how it got off topic it got off topic by people (not me) trying to make getting the vaccine both about skin color and to disparage white people for somehow figuring out how to get an appointment. If said people did not make it about skin color the detour would not have happened.

Pointing out social inequity is not disparaging white people.

There are some white people who like the inequity but many who don't.

Nonetheless it exists!

Quote: AZDuffman

As to how it got off topic it got off topic by people (not me) trying to make getting the vaccine both about skin color.

I didn't "make" it about skin color. it IS ABOUT skin color. More accurately about income inequity but that translates right back to race as has been shown.

Quote: AZDuffman

white people for somehow figuring out how to get an appointment.

OMG....just OMG! It is not about "figuring anything out"....they are at a freaking advantage!

South Africa doesn't want the AstraZeneca vaccine, because it's not good enough for their variant.

Quote: kewlj

AND it goes along the same line for a lot of these topic. Try looking up deaths from covid. More whites than any other group have died. But by percentage of population, blacks are more than twice as likely from to die from covid, and latinos are right there with blacks on the higher end. THAT is disparage.

You are using the terms disparage and disparagingly like it is the word disparate and disparity. Entirely different meanings, it looks dumb. I mean you may be disparaging when meaning to say disparity so it might be semi appropriate. Anyways, these statistics correlate with underlying conditions by race, highest percentage of obesity and diabetes by race, that's what these stats are in part. Now I'll give you that it's also going to correlate to poverty, there's the food deserts and the affordability of cheap processed unhealthy foods playing into contributing to the health conditions.

Mama taught us that figures don't lie, but liars figure.

Quote: mcallister3200

You are using the terms disparage and disparagingly like it is the word disparate and disparity. Entirely different meanings, it looks dumb. I mean you may be disparaging when meaning to say disparity so it might be semi appropriate. Anyways, these statistics correlate with underlying conditions by race, highest percentage of obesity and diabetes by race, that's what these stats are in part. Now I'll give you that it's also going to correlate to poverty, there's the food deserts and the affordability of cheap processed unhealthy foods playing into contributing to the health conditions.

Yeah, I thought maybe I was mixing that up. My apologies. Luckily most people understood what I was trying to say.

You are right about unhealthy foods contributing to unhealthy people. Ever go into the inter city neighborhoods? Not a "real" grocery store to be found. I am talking your top end chain grocery stores, not some glorified 7-11 or corner market with inflated prices and limited choices. But hell yea, nearly not stop fast food.

Quote: darkoz

Pointing out social inequity is not disparaging white people.

REALLY?

Quote: kewlj

I saw a funny story this morning on CNN. It was about the racial inequity of who is getting the vaccine first. They were interviewing the owner of a small family run Pharmacy in a black/latino section of New York. The pharmacist, who looked to be a middle eastern decent said "we can tell who is here for the vaccine and who is here for regular business". The reported asked "how can you tell?" The pharmacist replied "they are white and look confused".

That is about as much making it about skin color as you can get. Now, ask yourself if moderators here would suspend someone here for saying blacks didn't belong in a store and "looked confused" about something. Anything.

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Quote: AZDuffman

REALLY?

YES, REALLY!

Just a few days ago Dr. Faux said "every American that wanted a vaccine could get one by April".

Just 4 days later, he has changed the time line to may to June.

Growing VERY frustrated as many are that have put at least part of their life on hold.

Quote: kewlj

You are right about unhealthy foods contributing to unhealthy people. Ever go into the inter city neighborhoods? Not a "real" grocery store to be found. I am talking your top end chain grocery stores, not some glorified 7-11 or corner market with inflated prices and limited choices. But hell yea, nearly not stop fast food.

Being in the grocery industry in my young days I can tell you some big reasons. Shrink is very high in these stores is the first reason. It is hard to run even a medium store in these areas as no room to get deliveries. But shrink is the big one. I have seen ones where you cannot even take the carts out to the parking lot because they will vanish.

I personally know so many people that ‘pulled strings’ like MDawg said to get the vaccine that I will agree that there are advantages for some. And though I have no concrete proof, I am pretty sure that whites have more ability to ‘pull those strings’ than blacks.

But BY FAR the major reason for the disparity in rates of vaccination between the races is that there are WAY MORE (by percentage) blacks that just don’t want the vaccine than whites.

Since this is the vaccine ethics thread, everyone keeps talking about how easy it will become to get a vaccine once the J and J vaccine gets approved. I am not privy to exactly how the approval process goes..... but is there anyone who actually thinks there is ANY chance it does not get approved? Just start vaccinating! It is a done deal, and we all know it!

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But BY FAR the major reason for the disparity in rates of vaccination between the races is that there are WAY MORE (by percentage) blacks that just don’t want the vaccine than whites.

Exactly, blacks and Latinos are reluctant to get the vaccine, therefore, they're not that motivated.

Quote: AxelWolf

Exactly, blacks and Latinos are reluctant to get the vaccine, therefore, they're not that motivated.

Just about everyone of color is aware of Tuskegee.

Quote: darkoz

Just about everyone of color is aware of Tuskegee.

. Help me here. Tuskegee was about trialing or testing on Blacks. Do Blacks today not understand the difference between a small scale ‘test’ like Tuskegee versus a nationwide, heck worldwide, rollout of vaccines, that, as this thread points out, Whites are even trying to cut the line to get?

I'd be scared to get a vaccine in a predominately black city because of the possibility of another Tuskegee Experiment. The gov't has proved itself utterly distrustful. Proud Boys could come along and monitor the vaccine sites.

Quote: SOOPOO

. Help me here. Tuskegee was about trialing or testing on Blacks. Do Blacks today not understand the difference between a small scale ‘test’ like Tuskegee versus a nationwide, heck worldwide, rollout of vaccines, that, as this thread points out, Whites are even trying to cut the line to get?

You didn't you know blacks get a special dose of the Covid vaccine? It's marked on the vaccine vials (in a special code, obviously)... Black People/White People.

Quote: ChumpChange

I'd be scared to get a vaccine in a predominately black city because of the possibility of another Tuskegee Experiment. The gov't has proved itself utterly distrustful. Proud Boys could come along and monitor the vaccine sites.

I guess they have never experimented on white people. 😒

Quote: ChumpChange

I'd be scared to get a vaccine in a predominately black city because of the possibility of another Tuskegee Experiment. The gov't has proved itself utterly distrustful. Proud Boys could come along and monitor the vaccine sites.

I guess they have never experimented on white people. 😒

This thread turned bonkers.

Quote: SOOPOO

. Help me here. Tuskegee was about trialing or testing on Blacks. Do Blacks today not understand the difference between a small scale ‘test’ like Tuskegee versus a nationwide, heck worldwide, rollout of vaccines, that, as this thread points out, Whites are even trying to cut the line to get?

Fear and paranoia are rarely logical.

Tuskegee is the main medical incident pointed too.

A history of racism in this country including 200 years where "All men are equal" apparently didn't include black men, compounds the issue to the point it's a difficult mountain to climb.

Would you trust a government that enslaved your ancestors, ran Tuskegee experiments on your ancestors, said you have equal rights but they have to be separate to your ancestors?

Suddenly they are to be trusted?

I really only trust a government when it’s giving me “free money,” so no.

Quote: mcallister3200

I really only trust a government when it’s giving me “free money,” so no.

I swear we meet, and you were not a minority.

Quote: darkoz

Fear and paranoia are rarely logical.

Tuskegee is the main medical incident pointed too.

A history of racism in this country including 200 years where "All men are equal" apparently didn't include black men, compounds the issue to the point it's a difficult mountain to climb.

Would you trust a government that enslaved your ancestors, ran Tuskegee experiments on your ancestors, said you have equal rights but they have to be separate to your ancestors?

Suddenly they are to be trusted?

So now all of the sudden you do not trust the government? Now maybe you see why I do not buy the government line on masks and lockdowns. I questioned it and for almost a year you tell me to follow with near blindness what they say. But all of the sudden you question them?

Quote: AZDuffman

So now all of the sudden you do not trust the government? Now maybe you see why I do not buy the government line on masks and lockdowns. I questioned it and for almost a year you tell me to follow with near blindness what they say. But all of the sudden you question them?

You seem to have confused me with being black

Quote: darkoz

You seem to have confused me with being black

I do not know what color you are. I have never looked and do not remember you bringing it up. I likewise do not know what skin color should have to do with trusting what the government says about anything. My government cautions about bitcoin but is happy to sell seized bitcoin for example. The government that pays a 20% bonus to list the cause of death as covid. You want me to trust them?

Quote: darkoz

Fear and paranoia are rarely logical.

Tuskegee is the main medical incident pointed too.

A history of racism in this country including 200 years where "All men are equal" apparently didn't include black men, compounds the issue to the point it's a difficult mountain to climb.

Would you trust a government that enslaved your ancestors, ran Tuskegee experiments on your ancestors, said you have equal rights but they have to be separate to your ancestors?

Suddenly they are to be trusted?

So the government of Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Warnock, Neguse, Tim Scott, Byron Brown, Stacey Abrams,etc.... are anti Black. Got it.....

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So the government of Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Warnock, Neguse, Tim Scott, Byron Brown, Stacey Abrams,etc.... are anti Black. Got it.....

You mean the government that sent officers two blocks with tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful BLM protest six months ago but was taking selfies and didn't raise a weapon against white protestors until they were pretty much marching through the capitol?

Perhaps watch this video taken a few days after the capitol riots and you will see how people of color are feeling towards today's government

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/13/us/capitol-riots-black-lives-matter-cori-bush/index.html