When will casinos open?
A Governor can shut a casino for a health emergency. A Governor can not ban smoking. That is up to the State Legislature.
Just seems you're similar to someone cheering a horse race. Not much of a shock a Governor is being perceived as a hypocrite. It's kind of the job of a politician to try to get things moving as best they can and not caring to make sense in the process compared to overall results of just getting it done. Logic would also be require every mask a patron wore would be brand new and functional, or the masks would be dirtier than anybody smoking a cigarette. Not sure what kinds of masks they're planning on using, and who is paying for them.Quote: TDVegasI’m not completely sure smoking and vaping will be banned from the casino floor. Logic of trying to create the best clean air, clean surface environment says it should be banned...but so far the actual edict of no smoking has not been said.
If allowed....this Governor is a COMPLETE hypocrite that “health” is driving all his decision making.
Time will tell.
Quote: mcallister3200What is it 1999? How is smoking indoors in any public space or business open to the public possibly still up for debate.
Ummmm..... because it is legal in many places despite your (and my!) total disdain for it.
I HATE that it is legal at my local Native American casino. But I understand the risk I take every time I enter. If enough people would not enter because of smoking, they would change the rules.
Quote: billryanThis is a civics statement, not a political one.
A Governor can shut a casino for a health emergency. A Governor can not ban smoking. That is up to the State Legislature.
He can very easily tell them he will not let them open until they ban smoking. He says his decisions are based purely on health first, not business first.
I assume there is going to be some give and take. Whatever decisions are being made on opening are being submitted to him for review....at which point he will make the call.
He’s not changing the law.
He says isn't good enough an argument, you already know he doesn't really care. Wants the best plan for business possible, a smoking ban was never part of the business plan for Nevada before. I'm still amused, starting to think it's not PC to be amused anymore.Quote: TDVegasHe can very easily tell them he will not let them open until they ban smoking. He says his decisions are based purely on health first, not business first.
I assume there is going to be some give and take. Whatever decisions are being made on opening are being submitted to him for review....at which point he will make the call.
He’s not changing the law.
Quote: mcallister3200What is it 1999? How is smoking indoors in any public space or business open to the public possibly still up for debate.
When Ohio first had a smoking issue as part of our constitution, I had seen them covering a large group of Red Cross volunteers sitting at a table watching the vote. It appeared they had ordered food, and had been there a long time, all had glasses of water and soft drinks. No alcohol, that's why it's still up for debate. $$$$ It's bad for business or people wouldn't have to go to the ballots in the first place. Just a good 'ol lynching. Was also a main factor I stopped going to bars and started driving out of state to even go to casinos, so I suppose it worked out for me. Too soon to tell lol.
Quote: SOOPOOUmmmm..... because it is legal in many places despite your (and my!) total disdain for it.
I HATE that it is legal at my local Native American casino. But I understand the risk I take every time I enter. If enough people would not enter because of smoking, they would change the rules.
Here in Washington, tribal casinos are the only places that permit smoking indoors. Consequently, the casinos attract even non gamblers who smoke, those who remember the old days when they lit up everywhere. I no longer go anymore.
Quote: TDVegasI’m not completely sure smoking and vaping will be banned from the casino floor. Logic of trying to create the best clean air, clean surface environment says it should be banned...but so far the actual edict of no smoking has not been said.
If allowed....this Governor is a COMPLETE hypocrite that “health” is driving all his decision making.
Time will tell.
That is a great point, TD. Smoking pollutes the air and it is actually very disgusting! Covid19 is invisible and odorless. They both kill people and make them very ill. Smoking is allowed in casinos (although they tried for a minute to ban it). The difference is that Covid19 effects are immediate (which causes all kinds of problems with overwhelming the system) while smoking effects are long term. Of course one could argue that smoking is big business and makes smokers feel good while covid19 fails to match those same characteristics.
By your logic, it they allow smoking in casino, they can allow smoking in poker room, because non-smokers play in casino and wait for fresh air. You're actually making a point not that they can, but they don't care. Poker rooms, I don't know why, think they were afraid of scaring away the youngins.Quote: VegasriderIf they have banned smoking in poker room at the casino, they can easily do it for the entire casino. Poker players who are addicted to smoking still play poker. Didn't kill the poker rooms when they banned smoking, in fact the numbers of players increased.
Second-hand smoke has to be extremely bad to bother me. Also it’s hard for me to believe that a few nights per year of secondhand smoke can be that bad considering lots of people survive many decades of heavy smoking. I guess this makes me ignorant AF.
For the testing testing testing crowd, they are gonna run out of reagents in a few weeks. Epidemiologists would like to get enough tests for the sick so they can be diagnosed. Opening the red states will just make this virus endemic in those states, and the governors are NOT listening to their hospitals and health departments, period!
Quote: SOOPOOIs there a casino open now in the USA? The Dakotas? A reservation somewhere?
If not, what would be the closest country with an open casino?
There have been no closure orders in SD, IA, NE. All of them have casinos. That said, idk if they're open.
Quote: beachbumbabsThere have been no closure orders in SD, IA, NE. All of them have casinos. That said, idk if they're open.
They’re all closed I think, not positive about Nebraska or the convenience store type ones in Dakotas, but anything that could possibly be considered a “real” casino is closed. A few of the Dakota natives were among last open, I think Deadwood had last commercial casinos closed in US at something like March 25th/26th. Iowa has no gatherings over 10 people so that would rule out casinos, effectively have a stay at home order their restrictions are more severe than several states with stay at home orders.
However, as a craps player the idea of tables limited to only three players per side is fantastic.
If there's one thing I hate it's crowded craps tables with players buying in and cashing out while the shooter has the dice; and I hate players making late bets even when the dice are in the air; and the more players the more hands that can get in the way; and the more players the more questions to dealers which slow the game.
And the biggest advantage to having only three players on a side is that there will be fewer piles and stacks of chips to interfere with a clean dice throw.
The flip side of having only three players on each side is that table minimums are likely to increase.
If table minimums are higher it doesn't matter if there's more open space on the layout... because I'm out.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf a vaccine comes out in 2021, the US can only manufacture 5 to 10 million doses a year. If people need 2 doses, there'd need to be near 700 million doses in the USA. Casinos will open long after you are dead, maybe the 22nd century.
For the testing testing testing crowd, they are gonna run out of reagents in a few weeks. Epidemiologists would like to get enough tests for the sick so they can be diagnosed. Opening the red states will just make this virus endemic in those states, and the governors are NOT listening to their hospitals and health departments, period!
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Quote: mcallister3200They’re all closed I think, not positive about Nebraska or the convenience store type ones in Dakotas, but anything that could possibly be considered a “real” casino is closed. A few of the Dakota natives were among last open, I think Deadwood had last commercial casinos closed in US at something like March 25th/26th. Iowa has no gatherings over 10 people so that would rule out casinos, effectively have a stay at home order their restrictions are more severe than several states with stay at home orders.
Exactly correct about Iowa. Casino's have been closed by governor since mid March. There is a commons misconception that just because Iowa doesn't have a 'stay at home' order, that the economy is open. It isn't, only essential businesses.
Quote: ChumpChangeOpening the red states will just make this virus endemic in those states, and the governors are NOT listening to their hospitals and health departments, period!
Political comment. Seven-day suspension (martingaled).
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You are really anxious to post your casino link. I read your blog and can see your agenda.
Quote: alan.mendelsonHowever, as a craps player the idea of tables limited to only three players per side is fantastic.
If there's one thing I hate it's crowded craps tables with players buying in and cashing out while the shooter has the dice; and I hate players making late bets even when the dice are in the air; and the more players the more hands that can get in the way; and the more players the more questions to dealers which slow the game.
I love the idea of having only 3 people per side on the craps table. I hate crowded tables for many reasons... many of which you stated. The only problem is that there are sooooo many craps players every day at all of the casinos I go to. I just can't see them limiting tables to 6 players total. They would have to open many tables or people would have to wait.
Quote: WatchMeWinI love the idea of having only 3 people per side on the craps table. I hate crowded tables for many reasons... many of which you stated. The only problem is that there are sooooo many craps players every day at all of the casinos I go to. I just can't see them limiting tables to 6 players total. They would have to open many tables or people would have to wait.
A limit of 3 players would likely mean a table that is not making money. I see a lot of shut down tables or limits that will chase off most.
They can operate with 1 or 2 or 3 players....because they have hope for more to join. Not anymore.
No, the flip side is that RATE OF PLAY will increase thus eroding the player's bankrolls at a faster rate in return for an orderly game and spacious layout.Quote: alan.mendelsonThe flip side of having only three players on each side is that table minimums are likely to increase.
"On Tuesday, it became apparent what the independent mayor might have had in mind. She said she wants to open up the casinos, assuming that 100 percent of the population are carriers of the novel coronavirus.
Let them, and visitors, gather and gamble, smoke in confined spaces, touch slot machines all day — and let the chips, and apparently the infections, fall where they may.
“Assume everybody is a carrier," the mayor said to MSNBC on Tuesday. "And then you start from an even slate. And tell the people what to do. And let the businesses open and competition will destroy that business if, in fact, they become evident that they have disease, they’re closed down. It’s that simple.”'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/22/las-vegas-coronavirus-reopen/
Quote: billryanI assume everyone I encounter has the virus and can not only spread it to me but is also at risk of me spreading it to them
How can they be at risk of you spreading it to them if they already have it?
Quote: billryanI assume everyone I encounter has the virus and can not only spread it to me but is also at risk of me spreading it to them. Obviously not everyone does, but until I can know who has it or who has immunity, it's the safest bet.
Why are you out in public if you have it?
Get well soon!
Quote: alan.mendelsonMayor Goodman made the mistake of not quitting when ahead. She should have stopped when she said to reopen in a responsible manner.
She should just ask for a simple graph with numbers, dates and a time frame for opening.
Easy to read, easy to understand. Benchmarks.
Sisolak’s press conference yesterday was the most non informative talk I’ve ever seen someone give on the subject of how and when. Utterly useless.
He was totally disinterested on anything related to when.
Quote: TDVegasShe should just ask for a simple graph with numbers, dates and a time frame for opening.
Easy to read, easy to understand. Benchmarks.
Sisolak’s press conference yesterday was the most non informative talk I’ve ever seen someone give on the subject of how and when. Utterly useless.
He was totally disinterested on anything related to when.
The guidelines are 14 days of lowering the curve and there being one new infection per million. Would you like to give a date that will happen? It's not as if it will happen three days after the first full moon.
Science says to wait. The guidelines say to wait.The President says to wait. Because some madman does something, do you want us to follow him?
That’s 3 cases or less per day for 14 straight days. If it goes over....the 14 days starts again?
This city will never open.
Quote: TDVegas1 new infection per million tested? Or 1 new infection per million based on a state population of 3.1 million?
That’s 3 cases or less per day for 14 straight days. If it goes over....the 14 days starts again?
This city will never open.
Most political leaders and cable news personalities are so math-challenged, that they don't understand the implications of numbers or have the ability to place them in a larger picture.
If the Wizard was mayor, Vegas might be in better shape during this pandemic.
Quote: ThatDonGuyAnybody else watching Mayor Goodman making a fool of herself while being interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN? This may have set back any Vegas reopening for who knows how long.
Watching that made me move my Vegas reopen target to July 1 at the earliest
Quote: gordonm888Most political leaders and cable news personalities are so math-challenged, that they don't understand the implications of numbers or have the ability to place them in a larger picture.
If the Wizard was mayor, Vegas might be in better shape during this pandemic.
I’m trying to get a handle on what they are looking for in Vegas. Not generalities. Not words like sufficient or flatten....give me something I can track.
1 per 1 million? What does that mean? For how long?
No, no one ever trusts or respects her or takes her seriously.Quote: ThatDonGuyThis may have set back any Vegas reopening for who knows how long.
How can YOU get a handle on it when they can't get a handle on it themselves.Quote: TDVegasI’m trying to get a handle on what they are looking for in Vegas.
Quote: TDVegasI’m trying to get a handle on what they are looking for in Vegas. Not generalities. Not words like sufficient or flatten....give me something I can track.
1 per 1 million? What does that mean? For how long?
Read the guidelines. They seem pretty cut and dry.
Has Nevada had 14 days of new cases declining?
Have new patients dropped for 14 days in a row?
Have deaths ?
I don't know about Nevada, but Arizona had 280 new cases, or about 35 per million.
Guidelines call for one new case per million.
Expecting to be able to safely open the casinos in the next few weeks is unrealistic. Opening them while the North East and the West Coast are still locked down, along with no foreign tourist, is economic madness.
Quote: billryanRead the guidelines. They seem pretty cut and dry.
Has Nevada had 14 days of new cases declining?
Have new patients dropped for 14 days in a row?
Have deaths ?
I don't know about Nevada, but Arizona had 280 new cases, or about 35 per million.
Guidelines call for one new case per million.
Expecting to be able to safely open the casinos in the next few weeks is unrealistic. Opening them while the North East and the West Coast are still locked down, along with no foreign tourist, is economic madness.
Are you seriously suggesting that starting in day 1....we have 26 new cases
Day 2....23
Day 3....20
Day 4....18
Day 5....12
Day 6....9
Day 7....18
That we start over again from day 1?
If so, this city will never open. Forget weeks.
I don't agree with all of them, but these are the guidelines they arrived at.
Quote: billryanI'm not suggesting anything. I'm informing you what the guidelines are that VP Pence's Task Force have set.
I don't agree with all of them, but these are the guidelines they arrived at.
Well...I read them and the guidelines are ambiguous. Terms like "downward" can mean different things to different people. This tells me "we the people" will have no informative or concrete answers as to what constitutes opening.
Is one up day in 14 still considered downward. How about 2 upward in 14? 3 in 14?
As I suspected....nothing that a person can hold the powers that be accountable. Ambiguity allows for interpretation.
Quote: TDVegasWell...I read them and the guidelines are ambiguous. Terms like "downward" can mean different things to different people. This tells me "we the people" will have no informative or concrete answers as to what constitutes opening.
Is one up day in 14 still considered downward. How about 2 upward in 14? 3 in 14?
As I suspected....nothing that a person can hold the powers that be accountable. Ambiguity allows for interpretation.
What could downward mean to different people?
I think that from a tourism point of view, the New York City area will be like a leper colony for over a year - nobody will want to go there. Not until >50% of the US population has taken a covid-19 vaccine.
And a significant slice of the US population will not want to plan vacations and leisure time in places like Las Vegas where crowds or crowded conditions can be expected. Pre- vaccine, plan on a Vegas with:
-No shows.
- No conventions
- No conferences
- No obese visitors.
- No visitors 60 or older.
- Limited foreign visitors (? I think.)
And, if Vegas opens up and gets a covid-19 flare-up as a result, then that city will become a "leper colony" in the public perception.
Quote: billryanWhat could downward mean to different people?
8 of 14 days downward is what? Downward trend?
Quote: gordonm888The question isn't just "When will casinos open?" It is "When will visitors return?"
I think that from a tourism point of view, the New York City area will be like a leper colony for over a year - nobody will want to go there. Not until >50% of the US population has taken a covid-19 vaccine.
And a significant slice of the US population will not want to plan vacations and leisure time in places like Las Vegas where crowds or crowded conditions can be expected. Pre- vaccine, plan on a Vegas with:
-No shows.
- No conventions
- No conferences
- No obese visitors.
- No visitors 60 or older.
- Limited foreign visitors (? I think.)
And, if Vegas opens up and gets a covid-19 flare-up as a result, then that city will become a "leper colony" in the public perception.
If you really want to be honest about this whole thing....it’s likely unworkable until a vaccine arrives.
Psychologically, a lot of people are going to be on pins and needles if someone coughs in their direction, smokes in their direction, stands too close.
It’s a fear factor. The fear alone will drive business into the gutter.
