When will casinos open?
So, for non-Nevada casinos, I assume that many they will be closed a minimum of at least one more month and probably two more months. Vegas and Nevada are a different story, because the local economy depends so much on tourism and gambling -and because the Las Vegas mayor is erratic and hard to predict.
Quote: billryanThe Mayor of Las Vegas doesn't represent the Strip, as it isn't in the City proper. The Governor will decide when to open, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is phased in with smaller local casinos opening first.
I don’t believe he’ll be able to allow some casinos the choice to open but not others, it’s a blatantly unfair competitive advantage to those companies survival that are allowed to open first, and gives legitimate appearance of corruption. Governor could argue emergency powers to do whatever he wants but that argument ceases to have any validity once you allow any arms length comparable business to open. Missouri gaming commission has already made a similar statement that they won’t allow the more rural properties to open before KC/STL they all have to have the freedom to open at same time due to the competitive advantage.
Semi related companies aren’t going to open all their casinos at the same time, Stations has stated Palms/Texas Station/Fiesta properties will be last to open, MGM has stated they’ll start with 2-3 properties, I believe Sands said they’ll start with Venetian and open Palazzo once demand dictates.
Non hotel casinos and certain Clark County excluded I suppose you can say isn’t arms length. Different gaming licenses (the 15 machine thing) is different for sure.
Quote: mcallister3200Yeah, well, that’s just like, your opinion Bill.
Non hotel casinos and certain Clark County excluded I suppose you can say isn’t arms length. Different gaming licenses (the 15 machine thing) is different for sure.
Correct, it is strictly my opinion.
Quote: gordonm888Regarding the three phases for reopening, each phase is being defined (in my home state) as being a minimum of 28 days. I suspect this is pretty common - a reopening phase with a length of two weeks doesn't give enough time to assess whether the epidemic is flaring up again.
So, for non-Nevada casinos, I assume that many they will be closed a minimum of at least one more month and probably two more months. Vegas and Nevada are a different story, because the local economy depends so much on tourism and gambling -and because the Las Vegas mayor is erratic and hard to predict.
I saw a document this past week that showed NV casinos opening in phase 4. I don't have a link. But each phase seemed to be a minimum of 14 days long, and phase 1 not yet happening. I think the best estimate was September, with November being more likely. FWIW without reference.
Quote: rsactuaryAccording to Brian Christopher, Coeur D'Alene Casino in Worley, IA has opened their Casino on May 1. Website confirms it.
I believe it. Many non essential businesses are opening back up in early May.
Quote: mcallister3200I don’t believe he’ll be able to allow some casinos the choice to open but not others, it’s a blatantly unfair competitive advantage to those companies survival that are allowed to open first, and gives legitimate appearance of corruption. Governor could argue emergency powers to do whatever he wants but that argument ceases to have any validity once you allow any arms length comparable business to open. Missouri gaming commission has already made a similar statement that they won’t allow the more rural properties to open before KC/STL they all have to have the freedom to open at same time due to the competitive advantage.
Semi related companies aren’t going to open all their casinos at the same time, Stations has stated Palms/Texas Station/Fiesta properties will be last to open, MGM has stated they’ll start with 2-3 properties, I believe Sands said they’ll start with Venetian and open Palazzo once demand dictates.
Not casinos... but elective surgery. Most hospitals and ALL surgicenters make the majority of their money doing elective surgical procedures. For some reason, hospitals (LARGE lobbying groups) are now allowed to do elective cases. Surgicenters (SMALL lobbying group {relative} NOT allowed to do elective procedures. There is ABSOLUTELY no rational reason to allow a hospital and not a surgicenter in the same geographic area to do cases. Quite the opposite, actually. I guess I need to stop here as I don't need a suspension today.
Agree that casinos in NV should open all or none.
Regarding elective surgeries. I guess cancer and heart bypass surgeries, and organ transplants aren't necessary as long as the virus is with us.
When was an organ transplant, other than maybe a living donor transplant, an elective surgery?Quote: KeyserIdaho, not Iowa
Regarding elective surgeries. I guess cancer and heart bypass surgeries, and organ transplants aren't necessary as long as the virus is with us.
Damn might be worth it just to get a hair cut.Quote: rsactuaryAccording to Brian Christopher, Coeur D'Alene Casino in Worley, IA has opened their Casino on May 1. Website confirms it.
Quote: KeyserIdaho, not Iowa
Regarding elective surgeries. I guess cancer and heart bypass surgeries, and organ transplants aren't necessary as long as the virus is with us.
My hospital continued doing transplant surgeries throughout the pandemic.
Heart bypass surgeries continued as well.
Cancer cases for the most part continued as well. However..... certain surgeries that after the surgery become 'cancer' surgeries were put on hold. As an example, you may have been scheduled for a low risk, low chance of cancer lipoma removal. 99% of the time it is just a lipoma and nothing more needs to be done. Rarely, it turns out it was a sarcoma and further treatment is needed. If you are in the 1% of cases that were delayed, it could mean the difference between a good and bad outcome.
No one wants to have surgery. But many want the results that surgery affords. New hip. New knee. Mass removed. Vasectomy. Tubal ligation. I think patients and doctors should now be able to decide for themselves, AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE, if the benefits of the procedure outweigh the risks. I do not believe that there are any public health risks with me deciding to go ahead with a total knee replacement. (I don't really need one.... an example...)
Quote: billryanAs I understand it, the elective procedures were canceled because of the shortages in the PPE. The risk wasn't to the public, it was not being able to protect the workers.
It was that AND the fact that the hospitals were filling up with COVID-19 patients and the concept of bringing more patients intio the hospitals made no sense.
Now we have no shortage of PPE, but our surgicenters throughout the state are still prohibited from doing elective cases. Baffling. If you needed a procedure that could either be done in a hospital that is presently treating COVID-19 patients or a freestanding surgicenter, what would you choose?
Quote: beachbumbabsI saw a document this past week that showed NV casinos opening in phase 4. I don't have a link. But each phase seemed to be a minimum of 14 days long, and phase 1 not yet happening. I think the best estimate was September, with November being more likely. FWIW without reference.
I would be absolutely shocked if a major stip hotel casino wasn't open in July. I would be surprised if not open in June.
Quote: WishuponacometMy local News Station says that Vegas is poised to reopen as early as May 22nd .
I wish there was a way to bet that this doesn’t happen
Quote: michael99000I wish there was a way to bet that this doesn’t happen
May 22nd does seem overly optimistic, I'll give you that, although at least one Casino in the US is already open per their website.
Quote: WishuponacometMy local News Station says that Vegas is poised to reopen as early as May 22nd and they will be putting thermal sensors at entrances(People with body temperatures of over 100 will be basically denied entrance. The News Anchor mentioned Las Vegas Weather having a degree of 105 and implied denying people with body temperatures of over 100 is a bad idea) and machines will be sanitized frequently and will be spaced 6 feet apart.
No chance.
Phase 3 or 4 will likely be mid to late June, imo.
Would not be shocked if July is in play.
Quote: ManOfTheLibrarySome casinos in Las Vegas will be opening the week of May 25 to May 31. This is a 100% certainty. There is a lesser chance that some casinos open May 16 to May 24, but it is possible.
Unless this Governor is completely full of crap....his phase 3 and 4 opening is likely mid June. Phase 3 might be locals casinos and phase 4 is mega resorts.
Phase 1 is set for May 15. Casinos are no where close to opening.
Not sure where you are getting your info.
Quote: TDVegasUnless this Governor is completely full of crap....his phase 3 and 4 opening is likely mid June. Phase 3 might be locals casinos and phase 4 is mega resorts.
Phase 1 is set for May 15. Casinos are no where close to opening.
Not sure where you are getting your info.
My brother works for the Nevada Gaming Board. Gaming has set the target date from May 15 to May 31 for casino openings. June or later is not even in the discussion at the moment. The governor has delegated power to them to decide on opening dates for casinos. There is no distinction between casinos as mega resort or small resort. There is no written order for “phases” and how many there will be. Phase 3 will come the week of Memorial Day. Many casinos will choose to open at least one of their properties that weekend. I’m predicting soft openings May 26-31.
Quote: ManOfTheLibraryMy brother works for the Nevada Gaming Board. Gaming has set the target date from May 15 to May 31 for casino openings. June or later is not even in the discussion at the moment. The governor has delegated power to them to decide on opening dates for casinos. There is no distinction between casinos as mega resort or small resort. There is no written order for “phases” and how many there will be. Phase 3 will come the week of Memorial Day. Many casinos will choose to open at least one of their properties that weekend. I’m predicting soft openings May 26-31.
I don't see how the gaming board is setting the dates when the Governor and his health and science experts have been CLEAR that they are in charge of setting the dates and timeline for opening. The gaming board has no health and science experts....it’s basically lawyers!! how the hell could they be in charge of decisions as it relates to the virus, the numbers, the deaths and correspond that to opening dates?
The earliest date I got was from an employee at Red Rock (locals casino) who has been called back to work on May 31. There will likely be some retraining as this person is in food service and I suspect they will need some time (day or days) to acclimate to the changes. Again, these dates have been a moving target...changing each week and getting pushed out further.
This was the last official word from the gaming control board on procedure and policy....
“The policy, posted late Tuesday on the Control Board’s website, describes a streamlined process that will enable companies to reinstate the registration of casino employees laid off or furloughed during the pandemic.
The memo also provides for companies to offer phased openings of different parts of resorts. Company executives have indicated they aren’t expecting all areas in casinos to open at the same time.
The memorandum, authored by board member Terry Johnson, lists no opening dates, instead referencing when “the governor authorizes reopening of gaming operations” as the restarting date”
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2020/05/05/finley-duggan-casinos-wont-fully-reopen-months/3085298001/
Quote: TDVegasI don't see how the gaming board is setting the dates when the Governor and his health and science experts have been CLEAR that they are in charge of setting the dates and timeline for opening. The gaming board has no health and science ’s basically lawyers!! how the hell could they be in charge of decisions as it relates to the virus, the numbers, the deaths and correspond that to opening dates?
The earliest date I got was from an employee at Red Rock (locals casino) who has been called back to work on May 31. There will likely be some retraining as this person is in food service and I suspect they will need some time (day or days) to acclimate to the changes. Again, these dates have been a moving anging each week and getting pushed out further.
This was the last official word from the gaming control board on procedure and policy....
“The policy, posted late Tuesday on the Control Board’s website, describes a streamlined process that will enable companies to reinstate the registration of casino employees laid off or furloughed during the pandemic.
The memo also provides for companies to offer phased openings of different parts of resorts. Company executives have indicated they aren’t expecting all areas in casinos to open at the same time.
The memorandum, authored by board member Terry Johnson, lists no opening dates, instead referencing when “the governor authorizes reopening of gaming operations” as the restarting date”
I can tell you that some casinos will open up the last week of May with 50% capacity. The Gaming Board is working directly with the health professionals. The Governor is no longer dealing with the casinos. Boyd will open casinos in the first wave for locals. Treasure Island will be in the first wave of strip openings.
Quote: coilmanMayor of Detroit on casino openings here.... remember the Detroit area has been hit hard by Covid 19 within say 70 miles of downtown Detroit they have around 3600 deaths of the states 4200 Wayne county that Detroit is located in has 2000 alone .
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2020/05/05/finley-duggan-casinos-wont-fully-reopen-months/3085298001/
Holy cow! 20% of Detroit's revenue comes from the casinos! That is a lot of pressure.....
Quote: SOOPOOHoly cow! 20% of Detroit's revenue comes from the casinos! That is a lot of pressure.....
Nevada gets over 35 percent of its annual revenue from the "Hospitality Industry, according to this from the Nevada Resort Association. How does the state continue to function when faced with a 35-percent pay cut?
I think I recently saw that "tourism" accounts for over 20 percent of the Florida's revenue. The legislature's economic forecasting office was delaying its revenue forecasts because the Florida economy was currently fluctuating too much to predict anything. Can anyone do budget projections in such situations?
I think states, counties, and cities everywhere are going to have the same "budget-cut" problems. Unique situations -- like Nevada or Detroit -- may feel more pressure, but -- with all the new problems people are facing -- any revenue shortfall is painful. There will be a lot of pain as America adjusts.
Is this how casinos are going to do it?
In other news, Valley View in CA sent out an email claiming they're going to reopen on May 22, 2020 the other day; I suspect this date may actually stick this time, unlike their last announcements.
Possibly, but MGM's seven point plan (initial version) doesn't call for temperature testing guests, just staff.Quote: AxelWolfMy wife went to the doctor's today for a General check up. She got there about 12:30 and apparently they are now shutting down for lunch, so she had to wait 30 minutes outside. They're taking people's temperatures and whatnot before they enter the building. People who had been waiting outside had temperatures above normal. They asked anyone who had an above normal temperature to wait in the shade and then retook their temperatures later.
Is this how casinos are going to do it?
Quote: zippyboyAngel of the Winds casino opened here in Washington State yesterday. They took reservations from gamblers, and made them wait in their cars with their cellphones, and employees would call them in when their turn came up. The parking lot was full, and cars waited many hours to get in. People at the end of the line were told they probably wouldn't get in but they waited anyway.
Is there a time limit for how long a customer is allowed to stay once they’re inside ?
Sounds like if someone makes an appointment, they can arrive at the casino at that time but still be told to wait hours in their car.
https://oklahoman.com/article/5662128/hundreds-line-up-at-casino-opening
"NORMAN — The line to get inside Thunderbird Casino stretched nearly 250 people long.
"Inside, guests' temperatures were taken at the door, masks were handed out and guests were told they had to wear them while they sat at slot machines at least six feet away from the nearest fellow gambler. The bar was closed, but drinks were available as well as a limited menu from the restaurant.
"For Jenny Mitchell of Purcell, Monday and the opening of her favorite casino could not get here soon enough.
"I've been waiting for it to open," Mitchell said. "I've been waiting this whole time and I've been coming here since they opened."
"Thunderbird Casinos in Norman and Shawnee did a soft opening Monday to allow patrons a chance to gamble on select slot machines."
letter to Jenny Mitchell: Dear Jenny Mitchell, I'm starting a "non-profit" Gamblers Anonymous organization.....Quote: bobbartopOKLAHOMA - LET'S GAMB00L!!!
https://oklahoman.com/article/5662128/hundreds-line-up-at-casino-opening
"NORMAN — The line to get inside Thunderbird Casino stretched nearly 250 people long.
"Inside, guests' temperatures were taken at the door, masks were handed out and guests were told they had to wear them while they sat at slot machines at least six feet away from the nearest fellow gambler. The bar was closed, but drinks were available as well as a limited menu from the restaurant.
"For Jenny Mitchell of Purcell, Monday and the opening of her favorite casino could not get here soon enough.
"I've been waiting for it to open," Mitchell said. "I've been waiting this whole time and I've been coming here since they opened."
"Thunderbird Casinos in Norman and Shawnee did a soft opening Monday to allow patrons a chance to gamble on select slot machines."
Quote: bobbartophttps://oklahoman.com/article/5662128/hundreds-line-up-at-casino-opening
"NORMAN — The line to get inside Thunderbird Casino stretched nearly 250 people long.
A buddy of mine sent me this picture of Thunderbird Casino taken about an hour after opening time.
https://imgur.com/a/tAbDaKw
(Hopefully that link works. I haven't been able to embed a picture in my posts the last few times I've tried.)
https://imgur.com/a/TXuEg37
https://imgur.com/a/35GMz8p
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/14/caesars-palace-vegas-reopening-plans-lah-pkg-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
Quote: PuckerbuttHere are pictures of additional lines at other casinos.
https://imgur.com/a/TXuEg37
https://imgur.com/a/35GMz8p
Hmm. Some of those people from what I can see don't look like they are following the 6 feet rule.
Quote: HullabalooIt didn't look like anyone posted this but my apology if the did:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/14/caesars-palace-vegas-reopening-plans-lah-pkg-ebof-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
CEO sounded very reasonable. When the reporter mentioned that even with just 3 people at a BJ table, there is not 6 feet between the patrons. He mentioned it is close to 6 feet, and their faces are not pointed at each other..... I'm sure for most slots, the closing of every other machine doesn't make it 6 feet either..... I'm sure Caesars' presents its plan to some government regulator, and will either get approved or not approved. If they really want to enforce a true 6 foot rule, then that will be only 2 players at a BJ table. Same for craps. You would have to somehow prohibit players from leaning over the table, or they would be within 6 feet of the people on the other side of the table. Apparently customers will NOT be required to wear masks. How do you MAKE SURE that no one walks within 6 feet of a player seated at a table? Just walking from one area to another will be impossible.
If there is a REAL decision to enforce the '6 foot rule', then no casino could open.
It will be a phony rule. No one will enforce.
Quote: billryanHow will they put six feet between the dealers and the players?
They won't. They will argue that because the dealer is wearing a mask it doesn't matter.
Quote: SOOPOOIt will be a phony rule. No one will enforce.
A lot of these new rules and regulations the casinos are hyping won’t be enforced. A lot of PR hype to get people okay with the idea of reopening. Anyone really think the pit bosses are going to wipe down the player’s spot every time someone leaves the table?
Quote: SOOPOOCEO sounded very reasonable. When the reporter mentioned that even with just 3 people at a BJ table, there is not 6 feet between the patrons. He mentioned it is close to 6 feet, and their faces are not pointed at each other..... I'm sure for most slots, the closing of every other machine doesn't make it 6 feet either..... I'm sure Caesars' presents its plan to some government regulator, and will either get approved or not approved. If they really want to enforce a true 6 foot rule, then that will be only 2 players at a BJ table. Same for craps. You would have to somehow prohibit players from leaning over the table, or they would be within 6 feet of the people on the other side of the table. Apparently customers will NOT be required to wear masks. How do you MAKE SURE that no one walks within 6 feet of a player seated at a table? Just walking from one area to another will be impossible.
If there is a REAL decision to enforce the '6 foot rule', then no casino could open.
It will be a phony rule. No one will enforce.
I suppose if there is room, they could put those theater type ropes (whatever they are called) to maintain space in some areas. Also, one way isles? If someone wants to be an asshole and push those temp barriers over or out of the way. Well, there is always security to escort them out the door.
Quote: ams288A lot of these new rules and regulations the casinos are hyping won’t be enforced. A lot of PR hype to get people okay with the idea of reopening. Anyone really think the pit bosses are going to wipe down the player’s spot every time someone leaves the table?
Who do you call when the 6-foot rule is clearly not being enforced? Who do you call when the dealer's mask doesn't cover his nose or you're allowed to sit at a seat that has not been immediately sterilized when the previous occupant got up?
In a casino on tribal territory, who does enforcement when you DO make the call?
I've read the actual wording in all of the executive orders and health mandates in my state, and they all involve fines and shutdowns on BUSINESSES ONLY. There are requirements for individuals, but no penalties for not complying. Where I live there is specific wording in the business order that says the establishment actually CANNOT refuse entry to someone that is not wearing a mask. The state has got the business establishment by the short hair since the business is already strictly regulated and can get its license pulled on a whim. They want you to think that they have the same level of control over individuals, but they do not. The actual written orders cleary demonstrate that, but they hype the rules as being more than they have the power to require.
What will drive all these rules is what has always been what determined the level of business you can expect: customer acceptance. I wouldn't go into a casino, a restaurant, or a public bathroom on Day One, even if "the state" mandated that everyone where a hazmat suit and be encased in a bubble. Anyone who depends on mandated rules - state, federal, tribal - to decide for them what is safe is an idiot.
Business will not return to normal until enough people can trust their own common sense to resume living. Assuming they have a disposable income to spend - anywhere.
