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bobbartop
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January 13th, 2020 at 10:57:48 AM permalink
wow. this thread is a real drag.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
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January 13th, 2020 at 11:21:53 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

If a random blabbermouth can endanger your plans to take care of your family, perhaps it wasn't such a good plan to begin with.



I completely agree. Let's not loose sight of the fact that nobody is breaking your arm to enter the casino in the first place.
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January 13th, 2020 at 12:03:02 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If a random blabbermouth can endanger your plans to take care of your family, perhaps it wasn't such a good plan to begin with.



I agree with this.

There are pros and cons associated with just about every career choice

If your success/livelihood depends in any way on the actions and decisions of total strangers who do the same work as you , then thatís just a risk associated with your job. DarkOz is ultimately only accountable to himself, his family and his team. When he makes a decision that he feels benefits him , he canít be expected to first decide how it affects people outside his circle.

I canít say I know enough about it to understand how the reveals benefit him , but Iím assuming he doesnít do it for the sole purpose of hurting others. And Iím sure it probably benefits those who earn money via traffic to this forum.
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January 13th, 2020 at 12:18:05 PM permalink
Jeez, what a drama. This site used to be fun...
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January 13th, 2020 at 1:05:48 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Part II of the article series:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/on-advantage-play-and-tribalism-part-2/

Part III is going to look at things from the perspective of the casinos, but is also going to discuss the positive qualities that make an AP an APómeaning high-level ones.

Part IV is the interview with Darkoz.

Part V will tie it all together.



Mission, if you have any video of Dorothy . . . um . . . "fingering her wheel" . . I suggest you make that Part VI.

Seriously, I am very sorry to see so many fine and interesting Forum members suspending their participation in this forum. This mess just keeps getting worse.

"So many better men, a few of them friends, were leaving. And a thousand thousand slimy things stayed on, and so did I."
So many better men, a few of them friends, were dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things lived on, and so did I.
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January 13th, 2020 at 1:40:28 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Mission, if you have any video of Dorothy . . . um . . . "fingering her wheel" . .



She was fingering the plane, fingering
the truck, way too much fingering
going on.. Never fingered a wheel
before, sounds like an arrestable
offense in some states..
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January 13th, 2020 at 2:03:46 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888


"So many better men, a few of them friends, were leaving. And a thousand thousand slimy things stayed on, and so did I."



Info, info, everywhere
And the membership doth shrink
Info, info, everywhere
Will no one stop to think?

When glassed eye behind the dome
can see your every move
And every nick and every groove
Is examinable from home

You cast a-sky your dreaming eye
And ask a chance for when
Info, info's everywhere
Shared with kin and friend

Lost in dream you become
In a world of your own making
Where info, info's everywhere
And free for all the taking

Lost in dream and you awake
To stress and fraught with fright
All the world has gone astray
And you shall put it right

Info, info everywhere
You will take the lead
"Info, info everywhere
It will be my creed!"

"Info, info everywhere
In darkness and in light!
Info, info everywhere
I will make it right!"

Info, info everywhere
And then a bell was struck
T'was The Man who found your info
And now, my friend, you're f@#$ed
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Rigondeaux
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January 13th, 2020 at 2:14:39 PM permalink
To state the blindingly obvious, nobody has condoned violence.

They have said there is a real chance of violence when you go around sabotaging the incomes of hundreds of random people by betraying your peer group and it is extremely easy to find you.

This is very reckless for someone with a family.

Again, I don't advocate any violence. It just shows where the guy's head is that it is a risk he is willing to take for no reason other than self aggrandisement.

This is someone whose family has already been infiltrated and robbed once.

Quote: darkoz

Wow, so again my ability is questioned.

I



This obsession with being thought highly of by other people is the core of narcissism. It's not normal.

You ever hear the saying... Something like, if you have a problem with one person, it might be them, if you have a problem with a lot of people, it's probably you?

Eventually your behavior will probably come back to bite you and family members hard if you don't address it.

But for the record, I didn't say you didn't think of a play. I don't think you concieved of AP itself entirely from the ground up. How could you have never searched the internet about these subjects as you were learning, for example?

And I said that even if you did, that wouldn't mean it was right to screw over everyone on similar plays just to boost your self esteem.

I don't think you would have liked it if this play got blown up by someone bragging online while you were still doing it. So why do it to others?

Is it even possible for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes?
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January 13th, 2020 at 2:39:40 PM permalink
I am going to boycott books because Thorp published Beat the Dealer in 1966. How dare he share the secrets of card counting?

And because Ken Uston published Million Dollar Blackjack in 1981. There's no coming back from that!

OMG...Did you hear James Grosjean wrote Beyond Counting 20 years ago? Ever since that moment not a single person has made money in a casino betting with an edge.

It is a ridiculous take to get so upset about a small play posted about pulling a player's card to generate better mailers. The basics of the play were already known and published, and besides, it's not even a "real" advantage play. It's just marketing optimization. It's a good thing Max Rubin didn't write a book on that in 1994. He would have caused everyone to leave the forum.

People who fear the exposure of such information are short-sighted.
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January 13th, 2020 at 3:30:23 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I am going to boycott books because Thorp published Beat the Dealer in 1966. How dare he share the secrets of card counting?

And because Ken Uston published Million Dollar Blackjack in 1981. There's no coming back from that!

OMG...Did you hear James Grosjean wrote Beyond Counting 20 years ago? Ever since that moment not a single person has made money in a casino betting with an edge.

It is a ridiculous take to get so upset about a small play posted about pulling a player's card to generate better mailers. The basics of the play were already known and published, and besides, it's not even a "real" advantage play. It's just marketing optimization. It's a good thing Max Rubin didn't write a book on that in 1994. He would have caused everyone to leave the forum.

People who fear the exposure of such information are short-sighted.



I agree. now, I admit, AP is not illegal (in most cases), but to me most are bottom feeders. Bottom feeders are always affected when something changes above them.

It's in the abbreviation itself. Advantage: A condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position. No different than someone who incessantly scours coupons to get 95% of their grocery bill, or someone who stays all day at a buffet that doesn't post a time limit or someone who buys something and then returns it for a refund after using it, because they can.

All are taking advantage of a situation. Going out of their way to avoid being under the normal guidelines everyone else is using. In gamblingvit's AP. In most other situations it's just sad mostly.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.

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