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December 5th, 2018 at 2:41:37 PM permalink
I mean i feel like i dont have a home. I want to just say the dumbest, craziest stuff about what I think I am seeing, and its fun watching people say that it can't be done and some of the stuff they say in responses actually make real world sense, but I truly believe we have been mislead and think many others do as well. Can we please have some kind of safe space, where we can simply "imagine" or assume that games can be "rigged" as most people call it, and speak as if it is true? I am not saying that we should silence the people who actually KNOW why something is not true, but the lack of citations, or even any kind of common sense examples such as math, in response to most accusations, only hinder the person trying to express themselves and try to describe what they are seeing themselves. The true point of the poster, whatever cheating they are accusing, is being buried within the same, "the casino wouldnt do that" responses.

My point is, there is not even a topic to entertain our minds about the possibilities, or even the specific examples of casino cheating, to the point where it makes me even more suspicious. How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?
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December 5th, 2018 at 3:31:33 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

I mean i feel like i dont have a home. I want to just say the dumbest, craziest stuff about what I think I am seeing, and its fun watching people say that it can't be done and some of the stuff they say in responses actually make real world sense, but I truly believe we have been mislead and think many others do as well. Can we please have some kind of safe space, where we can simply "imagine" or assume that games can be "rigged" as most people call it, and speak as if it is true? I am not saying that we should silence the people who actually KNOW why something is not true, but the lack of citations, or even any kind of common sense examples such as math, in response to most accusations, only hinder the person trying to express themselves and try to describe what they are seeing themselves. The true point of the poster, whatever cheating they are accusing, is being buried within the same, "the casino wouldnt do that" responses.

My point is, there is not even a topic to entertain our minds about the possibilities, or even the specific examples of casino cheating, to the point where it makes me even more suspicious. How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?



Isn’t this what ZenKings Corner was supposed to be?
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December 5th, 2018 at 3:40:49 PM permalink
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How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?



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December 5th, 2018 at 3:44:49 PM permalink
If I had to guess, the original goal of this site was to give math, facts, logic, good information and debunk all that nonsense.

There will be no safe space for any BS.


If you have legitimate gripe get some real data and post.it up.

If the person seems credible and the data seems.solid then I have no doubt Mike and others will.investigate.

I have no doubt there are rare situations something doesn't add up. Unfortunately, any legitimate claims.get lost among all the people cying wolf.
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December 5th, 2018 at 4:08:19 PM permalink
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If you have legitimate gripe get some real data and post.it up.



i ask you then how? as you are not allowed any kind of device in any casinos, as its a felony usually. recording is illegal unless you ask first im guessing.
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December 5th, 2018 at 4:29:06 PM permalink
Sorry, I don't see it. The point of the forum is smarter, better gambling. Which means debunking systems and paranoid fantasies, among other things.

There is a whole sub-forum for betting systems - you could probably establish a fantasy thread there, but you're still going to get math and reality thrown at you.

And there are other forums with more sympathetic or credulous members...not throwing you out, but you won't be left in peace with your theories here.
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December 5th, 2018 at 4:44:01 PM permalink
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the original goal of this site was to give math, facts, logic, good information





No. the goal of the site is to promote gambling for profit with the underlying assumption that gambling is a happy, healthy activity.

the facts, math and logic and good information are good - but mostly relate to getting the best bets so that less money will be lost assuming a gambler plays for the same amount of time and bets the same amount as a person who does not have knowledge of this information

if the knowledgeable gambler, not an AP, but he or she knows the bets with the lowest HA, plays for a longer amount of time than a gambler who is ignorant of or doesn't care which bets carry the lowest HA then he or she may very well end up losing more than the ignorant gambler and he may end up spending considerably more time in casinos - which is only a good thing if you happen to view gambling as a happy, healthy activity.
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December 5th, 2018 at 5:23:23 PM permalink
Hmmm. Someone should update the homepage then. Because the site bills itself as: “The goal of the site is to be an informative travel guide about Las Vegas.”
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December 5th, 2018 at 5:47:58 PM permalink
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I mean i feel like i dont have a home. I want to just say the dumbest, craziest stuff about what I think I am seeing, and its fun watching people say that it can't be done and some of the stuff they say in responses actually make real world sense, but I truly believe we have been mislead and think many others do as well. Can we please have some kind of safe space, where we can simply "imagine" or assume that games can be "rigged" as most people call it, and speak as if it is true? I am not saying that we should silence the people who actually KNOW why something is not true, but the lack of citations, or even any kind of common sense examples such as math, in response to most accusations, only hinder the person trying to express themselves and try to describe what they are seeing themselves. The true point of the poster, whatever cheating they are accusing, is being buried within the same, "the casino wouldnt do that" responses.

My point is, there is not even a topic to entertain our minds about the possibilities, or even the specific examples of casino cheating, to the point where it makes me even more suspicious. How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?

I agree the casino and gaming being the only two parties for things like this, isn't working from the gambler's perspective. The casinos have a trade group, I think maybe the customers should also have one and also be able to be more involved at the casino level, to be sure the unthinkable isn't somehow reality when proven old myths are no longer myths. The people cannot complain if they don't actually know there are things to gripe about. From my experience, gaming agents are idiots, I don't think most of them are even capable of doing their jobs the way they need to be done. Having real people that are obsessed with casinos to investigate and ask for investigations are needed.
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December 5th, 2018 at 5:55:49 PM permalink
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or even the specific examples of casino cheating, to the point where it makes me even more suspicious. How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?

some have been killed while exposing 'casino cheating'
is it worth it?

The American Coin caper comes to mind (in the 1980s)
that was then, could still be now

one slot vender had rigged the Royal Flush jackpots. not all that should have hit, did.
The NGC knew something was not right but 3 years of watching, they could not find the smoking gun.
then a whistle blower came forward to 'tell all he knew' about the company he rigged the video poker machines. before trial, he caught a bullet in his head outside his house and died.

not worth the effort for that guy.
he should have gone directly to the NGC and then turned in the company AFTER he rigged the code, and why he did that? who knows.
He be dead and long gone now.

I read about it in a book (can get online) and never remember if the person who pulled the trigger was ever caught or ratted on.

this was way before the Ronald Dale Harris experience

it that the stuff you are after?
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