Thread Rating:

heatmap
heatmap
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
  • Threads: 170
  • Posts: 1247
December 5th, 2018 at 7:07:29 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

From my experience, gaming agents are idiots, I don't think most of them are even capable of doing their jobs the way they need to be done.



If compartmentalization within businesses didn't exist I might believe most were stupid, and I would not say that most are, and I might call it a mix of my first guess plus what I'll call blissfully ignorant. Plus their employer will fire them, but I have also talked to many dealers who claim that they do not believe what they are seeing is real most of the time, and they openly will admit that at the table. Maybe they are agreeing with me as to not argue and get more tips, but who knows.

I also will continue to say that I do not think any of the casinos are "cheating" any more, as in my opinion the lack of very specific laws about what types of random number generators can and can not be used are a big problem - at least in PA I cant find specific laws about how the random numbers should be generated - and why would they?
heatmap
heatmap
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
  • Threads: 170
  • Posts: 1247
December 5th, 2018 at 7:18:54 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps


He be dead and long gone now.
Ronald Dale Harris



very odd but i cant find anything about his death anywhere online and wikipedia doesnt contain the word death. It says he served his time and is on the "blacklist" or something
7craps
7craps
Joined: Jan 23, 2010
  • Threads: 18
  • Posts: 1977
Thanks for this post from:
heatmap
December 5th, 2018 at 7:42:30 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

very odd but i cant find anything about his death anywhere online and wikipedia doesnt contain the word death. It says he served his time and is on the "blacklist" or something

Ron Harris is alive and doing well. (look how much time he served for his ways compared to some that cheat a casino for $1000 and get 10+ years in jail. RD Harris was an insider and knew too much)

That is another story from the 1990s, different from the American Coin video poker story from the 1980s into the 1990s.
Larry Volk was killed for taking part in that, blowing the whistle so-to-speak against himself and the company he worked for.

the book is titled
"License to Steal: Nevada's Gaming Control System in the Megaresort Age"
By Jeff Burbank

Google preview here
Google preview

I am 100% certain that Nevada and the NGC (and all casinos) want that story to disappear
and would probably discredit everything known about it.

not much good came from those times (in Nevada casinos and lessons to be learned)
just my opinion as usual


https://lasvegassun.com/news/1999/sep/23/two-plead-guilty-in-murder-for-hire-case/

Thursday, Sept. 23, 1999 | 11:11 a.m.

"Two people pleaded guilty this morning in the murder for hire of a slot machine company's computer programmer, who had admitted he rigged the devices for his bosses.

Soni Beckman, 57, and Vito Bruno, 40, agreed to the deals that will give them a chance at probation rather than stand trial on murder charges that could have put them in prison for the rest of their lives.

The admitted killer, David Lemons, had named the pair as those who hired him and helped him murder Larry Volk, the star witness in a slot-fixing case against the American Coin Company owners."

from that article, not much justice was served
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
boymimbo
boymimbo
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 5994
December 5th, 2018 at 10:25:41 PM permalink
Casinos on the strip are just part of a huge company who earns their margins based on taking .25 to 20% on average of every wager made around the world. They earn what they can by making their business processes as efficient as possible, by creating loyal and spending customers, and having protection in place to prevent losses.

I don't buy into small scale cheats by the casinos as there is nothing to gain. It is far more likely in my opinion for players to collude with dealers and for individual employees to steal rather than have the casino to do tricks in order to secure a few more dollars.

I could see large scale cheats however, but on a much higher level than what you see on the gaming floor. Things like manipulating an income statement, selling customer information illegally are likely. But it wouldn't surprise me to see things like large scale Video poker or slot cheats either but it would be nothing that low level employees on a gaming floor would know about.
----- You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 39
  • Posts: 3579
December 5th, 2018 at 10:40:46 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

I mean i feel like i dont have a home. I want to just say the dumbest, craziest stuff about what I think I am seeing, and its fun watching people say that it can't be done and some of the stuff they say in responses actually make real world sense, but I truly believe we have been mislead and think many others do as well. Can we please have some kind of safe space, where we can simply "imagine" or assume that games can be "rigged" as most people call it, and speak as if it is true? I am not saying that we should silence the people who actually KNOW why something is not true, but the lack of citations, or even any kind of common sense examples such as math, in response to most accusations, only hinder the person trying to express themselves and try to describe what they are seeing themselves. The true point of the poster, whatever cheating they are accusing, is being buried within the same, "the casino wouldnt do that" responses.

My point is, there is not even a topic to entertain our minds about the possibilities, or even the specific examples of casino cheating, to the point where it makes me even more suspicious. How are we supposed to know, or even be able to identify whether or not a casino, or casino employee is cheating if the information is hidden within all of the other topics?



This post officially cracks the top 10 worst for 2018. Congratulations on winning an Wizzy.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Nathan
Nathan
Joined: Sep 2, 2016
  • Threads: 65
  • Posts: 3430
December 6th, 2018 at 5:01:01 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

This post officially cracks the top 10 worst for 2018. Congratulations on winning an Wizzy.

I
ZCore13



Meh. I've posted way worse. I once posted a thread so incredibly weird that it was completely deleted in like one hour presumably to save me embarrassment. ;) His OP seems in line with what Zenking would say so it's really not at all too out there.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
beachbumbabs
Administrator
beachbumbabs
Joined: May 21, 2013
  • Threads: 99
  • Posts: 14231
Thanks for this post from:
PokerGrinderSOOPOO
December 6th, 2018 at 7:31:31 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Meh. I've posted way worse. I once posted a thread so incredibly weird that it was completely deleted in like one hour presumably to save me embarrassment. ;) His OP seems in line with what Zenking would say so it's really not at all too out there.



Really? Here you are in someone else's thread, bragging about trolling the forum to the point we had to delete your thread. Not just one, either.

And no, it was not deleted "to save you embarrassment". It was an apparently worthless attempt to remove some of your garbage.

It's not all about you, no matter how hard you try.

Go back to your corner. Stay there. Seriously.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
Joined: May 20, 2011
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
December 6th, 2018 at 12:48:12 PM permalink
I do not find the thought of 'any' establishment, regardless if they are a publicly traded company, the government or a mob run organization.... the latter two could be construed as the same, to have cheaters and / or a rigged system to be an egregious thought. Ive always said that when big money is involved I would not rule out any possibilities of cheating. Just because one is not caught doesn't mean that they haven't cheated. Do we always need to be so naive to believe everything is as it appears or as people want it to appear to be ... until they are caught in the scandal or lie?

Im not saying that I whole heartedly believe the casinos cheat, but it sure as heck would not surprise me if we found out one day that any game was rigged. I have heard whispers from some credible sources that a major investigation on dice manufacturers is going on. Im not saying yay or nay, but it wouldn't surprise me. This is why you need to 'hit n run'! ha
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 39
  • Posts: 3579
December 6th, 2018 at 12:55:53 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I do not find the thought of 'any' establishment, regardless if they are a publicly traded company, the government or a mob run organization.... the latter two could be construed as the same, to have cheaters and / or a rigged system to be an egregious thought. Ive always said that when big money is involved I would not rule out any possibilities of cheating. Just because one is not caught doesn't mean that they haven't cheated. Do we always need to be so naive to believe everything is as it appears or as people want it to appear to be ... until they are caught in the scandal or lie?

Im not saying that I whole heartedly believe the casinos cheat, but it sure as heck would not surprise me if we found out one day that any game was rigged. I have heard whispers from some credible sources that a major investigation on dice manufacturers is going on. Im not saying yay or nay, but it wouldn't surprise me. This is why you need to 'hit n run'! ha



How about a $100 bet that there is never any evidence provided that links a casino dice manufacturer to any type of rigged dice scandal?


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
WatchMeWin
WatchMeWin
Joined: May 20, 2011
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 1636
December 6th, 2018 at 1:03:10 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

How about a $100 bet that there is never any evidence provided that links a casino dice manufacturer to any type of rigged dice scandal?


ZCore13



Are you prepared to wait up to 20 plus years for the outcome? lol Look, Im not saying it happens or doesn't... Im just saying it wouldn't surprise me. I think it would be very difficult to prove such a case as the individuals would need to have strong evidence , and it would be very difficult to prove since the casinos would basically kill someone if they tried to steal dice from the tables for evidence.

no bet.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'

  • Jump to: