Gambling - Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
May 10th, 2018 at 9:42:27 AM
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Stupid, gullible and a bit tipsy due to the alcohol the casino served them. People who may be good customers and may become annoyed when they realize what has happened. So I would not deprive the average player of his legitimately earned multipliers but would add a Pause Button and an onscreen notice of 'your multipliers will be held for X minutes, otherwise will be left on the machine for any later player".Quote: beachbumbabsjust to protect stupid and gullible people who can be lured off one.
May 10th, 2018 at 10:24:34 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffStupid, gullible and a bit tipsy due to the alcohol the casino served them. People who may be good customers and may become annoyed when they realize what has happened. So I would not deprive the average player of his legitimately earned multipliers but would add a Pause Button and an onscreen notice of 'your multipliers will be held for X minutes, otherwise will be left on the machine for any later player".
How about the machine resetting to ZERO multipliers and going back to multipliers when the player cards in again ? Surely that can't be too much of a programming problem? Hell, save them for the next time that customer visits your casino again, a sort of loyalty program.
No ICE in my drink, PLEASE
May 10th, 2018 at 10:44:15 AM
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Not everyone uses a card.
In the end, these guys will just find another way to scam people.
The game manufacturers could just program the machines to give the person cashing out the value of the multipliers left. However, that doesn't give players an incentive to play "just one more hand". Even with that, people would still try to buy them out before they cash out or some other nonsense.
In the end, these guys will just find another way to scam people.
The game manufacturers could just program the machines to give the person cashing out the value of the multipliers left. However, that doesn't give players an incentive to play "just one more hand". Even with that, people would still try to buy them out before they cash out or some other nonsense.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 10th, 2018 at 10:44:15 AM
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Not everyone uses a card.
In the end, these guys will just find another way to scam people.
The game manufacturers could just program the machines to give the person cashing out the value of the multipliers left. However, that doesn't give players an incentive to play "just one more hand". Even with that, people would still try to buy them out before they cash out or some other nonsense.
In the end, these guys will just find another way to scam people.
The game manufacturers could just program the machines to give the person cashing out the value of the multipliers left. However, that doesn't give players an incentive to play "just one more hand". Even with that, people would still try to buy them out before they cash out or some other nonsense.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 10th, 2018 at 2:19:16 PM
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Quote: TigerWuIt would blow my teenage mind to see what we have nowadays with the aisles of manga in mainstream bookstores and entire streaming channels devoted to anime.
Blows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
May 10th, 2018 at 2:31:51 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
I don't watch children's cartoons. I watch the ones for adults.
May 10th, 2018 at 2:41:38 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
WTF is wrong with the old Looney Toons, Tom & Jerry, Flintstones, etc.?!?!? I'll take those over the trash they put out now any day!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
May 10th, 2018 at 3:19:33 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
What an ignorant statement.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 10th, 2018 at 3:31:53 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
Compelling stories and great works of art are not restricted to the art forms that you enjoy, Rigondeaux. Like any medium, comic books and animated stories may have a lot of low-to-mediocre quality content, but sometimes the content is very high quality.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
May 10th, 2018 at 3:33:29 PM
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If we're going to talk about cartoons/anime, we need to keep it gambling related. This is the Miscellaneous Gambling thread, after all.
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May 10th, 2018 at 4:28:14 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
Different strokes for different folks
I still laugh at Bullwinkle
I have a pretty open mind when it comes to entertainment.
I don't think anybody should be embarrassed by what entertainment they enjoy.
I am pretty surprised that your mind is blown over this.
Its really much ado about nothing. Something to pass the time.
I'm a big science fiction fan. Love Asimov
Ghost in the shell - Stand Alone complex is really good science fiction
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
May 10th, 2018 at 4:36:50 PM
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Quote: RigondeauxBlows my mind too. Grown people reading funny books and watching children's cartoons. What an embarrassment.
Wow!
I have a comic collection of over 3000 comics I absolutely treasure and re-read
Love Disney. Go every year or two. Take my grandkids but its really for me :)
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May 10th, 2018 at 4:52:54 PM
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Quote: terapinedI used to be a big anime fan
Attack on Titan is very good. Really liked it
I checked out Full Metal but did not get deeply into it
Cowboy Bebop is my all time favorite anime
Black Lagoon is also very good
Ghost in the shell rocks
I liked Death Note with L. After L not so good
Bleach is endless but I did watch the 1st major story arc, about 100 episodes
Hellsing rocks with Alucard. A kick ass version of Dracula.
Cowboy Bebop is great too. I recommend it for anyone wanting to get into anime but don't like all the weirdness. Agree with Death Note as well.
anime is 99% weird stuff, but some of it is worth watching.
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May 10th, 2018 at 6:18:00 PM
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Nathan and Zen King casino, can see it now.
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May 10th, 2018 at 6:41:57 PM
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I think Rigondeaux is still a little freaked out about the conversation the other day about how a lot of anime sexualizes young Japanese school girls.
I am not into anime or manga, I’ve tried and it’s just too weird for me, even Cowboy Bebop.
I’m a Disney addict and go every year (look at my avatar). Once I get a better nest egg saved up I plan on getting a season pass and going down 3-4 times a year.
A have a very small comic book collection. I like them mostly for the art, too often I feel like the writing is terrible or too simplistic, but I know it’s somewhat the point for the art tell the story.
Old cartoons are great, I’ve wanted to start collecting 16mm prints of looney toons and other stuff from that era for a while.
I’m a fan of pretty much all cartoons aimed at an adult audience. Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Archer, Beavis and Butthead, Rick and Morty....
The only ‘childrens’ cartoon I keep up with is Adventure Time. Fantastic stuff.
I am not into anime or manga, I’ve tried and it’s just too weird for me, even Cowboy Bebop.
I’m a Disney addict and go every year (look at my avatar). Once I get a better nest egg saved up I plan on getting a season pass and going down 3-4 times a year.
A have a very small comic book collection. I like them mostly for the art, too often I feel like the writing is terrible or too simplistic, but I know it’s somewhat the point for the art tell the story.
Old cartoons are great, I’ve wanted to start collecting 16mm prints of looney toons and other stuff from that era for a while.
I’m a fan of pretty much all cartoons aimed at an adult audience. Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Archer, Beavis and Butthead, Rick and Morty....
The only ‘childrens’ cartoon I keep up with is Adventure Time. Fantastic stuff.
May 10th, 2018 at 7:36:31 PM
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I have 13,000 comic books, but none more recent than 1993. The first Spider-Man (AF 15), the first Thor (JIM 83), Batman #6, 11, etc. Saving my old comic books has been very +EV.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
May 10th, 2018 at 8:01:08 PM
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Quote: gordonm888I have 13,000 comic books, but none more recent than 1993. The first Spider-Man (AF 15), the first Thor (JIM 83), Batman #6, 11, etc. Saving my old comic books has been very +EV.
If you're interested in selling, I'm willing to buy them all for $3.50 (total). Let the bidding begin!
May 17th, 2018 at 8:01:16 PM
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I wasted a lot of money trying to win a drawing, thinking what was told to me was true and final. I still don't completely understand because each week something is changing. I had thought I was drastically increasing my entries, but it was only minimal. Had I'd known things were changing, I'd not gambled at all beyond pure AP without the drawings.
I am a robot.
May 18th, 2018 at 12:19:41 AM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleI wasted a lot of money trying to win a drawing, thinking what was told to me was true and final. I still don't completely understand because each week something is changing. I had thought I was drastically increasing my entries, but it was only minimal. Had I'd known things were changing, I'd not gambled at all beyond pure AP without the drawings.
Something similar happened to me on a Trivia Crack app. The tournament prize was 100,000 coins. I won the tournament and lost roughly 150,000 coins to win it. My logical brain said"You do realize that you lost 50,000 coins, don't you?" I remember thinking,"I'll bet, no pun intended, that many people who won gambling tournaments lost more than the tournament money was worth."
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May 18th, 2018 at 2:23:55 AM
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Would there be enough interest to start a comic book thread?
Long time collector and dealer, former shop owner. I'm in the process of getting rid of 5,000 books which will leave me with about 3,000 almost all from 1939 to about 1974. I don't read much modern stuff, the endless reboots got to me a long time ago.
Bronze Age Marvels were always my first love but as my finances improved I started buying Golden Age Caps, and then just Schomburg Timelys. Discovered Nedors and other obscure stuff.
I really enjoy the over sized Omnibus editions.
Long time collector and dealer, former shop owner. I'm in the process of getting rid of 5,000 books which will leave me with about 3,000 almost all from 1939 to about 1974. I don't read much modern stuff, the endless reboots got to me a long time ago.
Bronze Age Marvels were always my first love but as my finances improved I started buying Golden Age Caps, and then just Schomburg Timelys. Discovered Nedors and other obscure stuff.
I really enjoy the over sized Omnibus editions.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 18th, 2018 at 6:07:18 AM
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Edit: never mind.
May 18th, 2018 at 11:16:59 AM
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the amount of people who think casino hired "coolers" exist are way too high.
May 18th, 2018 at 11:38:35 AM
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Probably. I was going to go in and apply for a job as a cooler just to test the casino employees but then I sobered up instead.Quote: GlenGthe amount of people who think casino hired "coolers" exist are way too high.
May 18th, 2018 at 12:57:12 PM
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Quote: GlenGthe amount of people who think casino hired "coolers" exist are way too high.
Why do people who believe in coolers even gamble? If I was the kind of person that thought coolers were real I would never set foot in a casino, since by definition that would mean I believe than random outcomes can be affected by magic and the game is inherently unfair, so why even take my chances?
May 18th, 2018 at 1:03:46 PM
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Quote: TigerWuWhy do people who believe in coolers even gamble? If I was the kind of person that thought coolers were real I would never set foot in a casino, since by definition that would mean I believe than random outcomes can be affected by magic and the game is inherently unfair, so why even take my chances?
That's just silly. When the cooler is hexing one player, the karma obviously has to flow somewhere else. With luck, it flows into you and you can quickly capitalize while the cooler is still engaged with the other player.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 18th, 2018 at 1:04:47 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffProbably. I was going to go in and apply for a job as a cooler just to test the casino employees but then I sobered up instead.
It's a closed shop. If you have the right stuff, they find you.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 18th, 2018 at 1:07:24 PM
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I think I'm a cooler, but only against myself... haha...
May 18th, 2018 at 3:12:50 PM
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I wonder if coolers stay extremely hydrated during their cooling
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May 18th, 2018 at 3:19:53 PM
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Quote: djatcI wonder if coolers stay extremely hydrated during their cooling
Can only drink on their breaks, not at the table. I imagine they chant "chug, chug" back in the break room.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
May 18th, 2018 at 4:42:45 PM
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Quote: djatcI wonder if coolers stay extremely hydrated during their cooling
Making six card 21s and spinning the ball so it lands in the only number without a chip on it are skills that require being fully hydrated
June 13th, 2018 at 2:26:49 PM
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Oklahoma tribal council officially adds "ball-and-dice games" to their gaming regulations.
Craps and Roulette could be in Oklahoma casinos as soon as August 2nd, with one of the first being the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Tulsa.
Craps and Roulette could be in Oklahoma casinos as soon as August 2nd, with one of the first being the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Tulsa.
June 22nd, 2018 at 9:33:02 PM
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Do people even realize almost literally living in one casino is a bad thing? Staying there seven days a week, 30 days a month, probably bumming rooms and comps from others, they blame others when it happens. I almost wonder if they're really homeless. Guess it works for some, it's not wrong for them strategicslly.
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June 23rd, 2018 at 1:30:28 AM
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Nobody really believes in coolers any more than they believe in fairy godmothers, leprechauns or the triumph of good over evil. And the guy at the craps table that keeps repeating something about a chicken dinner will probably not be ordering chicken if he wins big, nor will anyone who wins big really be buying some baby some new shoes.Quote: TigerWuWhy do people who believe in coolers even gamble?
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:52:05 AM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleDo people even realize almost literally living in one casino is a bad thing? Staying there seven days a week, 30 days a month, probably bumming rooms and comps from others, they blame others when it happens. I almost wonder if they're really homeless. Guess it works for some, it's not wrong for them strategicslly.
To be fair, many of the people who live in Casino and Casino Hotels are single people with no children who can afford to live in Casino and Casino Hotels. It's sad if a married person who has children does this, however, unless his wife and children also live in the Hotels with him and I am not sure too many wives would be okay with living in a Casino Hotel.
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D
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ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D
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June 30th, 2018 at 8:29:15 AM
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Has this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
June 30th, 2018 at 10:15:30 AM
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Quote: TigerWuHas this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
It is normal for waiters to tip out people like bartenders and bus boys... Maybe even the kitchen guy who bailed you out... But never management.
June 30th, 2018 at 10:53:30 AM
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Quote: prozemaQuote: TigerWuHas this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
It is normal for waiters to tip out people like bartenders and bus boys... Maybe even the kitchen guy who bailed you out... But never management.
It is also standard to pay servers less than min wage. They are making min wage plus tips.
Saying that, it is crazy to tip a supervisor. What is the normal floor persona salary? 60k? I would be curious to know if Wynn is paying them much less that normal and having the rest made through tips.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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June 30th, 2018 at 2:27:37 PM
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Quote: GWAEQuote: prozemaQuote: TigerWuHas this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
It is normal for waiters to tip out people like bartenders and bus boys... Maybe even the kitchen guy who bailed you out... But never management.
It is also standard to pay servers less than min wage. They are making min wage plus tips.
Saying that, it is crazy to tip a supervisor. What is the normal floor persona salary? 60k? I would be curious to know if Wynn is paying them much less that normal and having the rest made through tips.
That varies from state to state. Servers in Nevada get the same minimum wage as any other worker. I believe that is the case for the entire West Coast, as well.
I think part of the strategy was that many dealers don't want to move up to supervisor because it results in less tips. When the best dealers stay as dealers, that means second and third string dealers end up taking the promotion. That's not the formula for success.
This gave the best an incentive to move up.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
June 30th, 2018 at 2:30:51 PM
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Quote: prozemaQuote: TigerWuHas this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
It is normal for waiters to tip out people like bartenders and bus boys... Maybe even the kitchen guy who bailed you out... But never management.
It's not traditional, but if you are hired under those conditions, I'm not sure you have much of a complaint. On Alan Stock yesterday, he said this policy has cost some people close to $200,000. I find that hard to believe.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
June 30th, 2018 at 4:25:16 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: GWAEQuote: prozemaQuote: TigerWuHas this been talked about yet here?
Controversial tipping policy at Wynn Las Vegas still under fire.
It is normal for waiters to tip out people like bartenders and bus boys... Maybe even the kitchen guy who bailed you out... But never management.
It is also standard to pay servers less than min wage. They are making min wage plus tips.
Saying that, it is crazy to tip a supervisor. What is the normal floor persona salary? 60k? I would be curious to know if Wynn is paying them much less that normal and having the rest made through tips.
That varies from state to state. Servers in Nevada get the same minimum wage as any other worker. I believe that is the case for the entire West Coast, as well.
I think part of the strategy was that many dealers don't want to move up to supervisor because it results in less tips. When the best dealers stay as dealers, that means second and third string dealers end up taking the promotion. That's not the formula for success.
This gave the best an incentive to move up.
Ahh that makes sense. My mother has been a server for 40 years at the same place. About 10 years ago they offered the assistant gm position to her and she turned it town for much of the same reason.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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July 5th, 2018 at 11:51:11 AM
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Are there any casinos which your ADT will not be affected by swiping your card at the kiosks? I've been told by an experienced patron at one casino it doesn't and am tending to believe it.
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July 5th, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleAre there any casinos which your ADT will not be affected by swiping your card at the kiosks? I've been told by an experienced patron at one casino it doesn't and am tending to believe it.
Yes, that is very possible. Some casinos only adjust it if you actually gamble that day. Others update it if they know you are on property.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 5th, 2018 at 1:07:09 PM
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Its a problem with the definition of "moving up"... a Floor Man has supervisory duties and floats around watching everything while a dealer stays in rotation with his crew. So by responsibility and authority it is still an "upward" move but when there exists a financial dis-incentive then it is questionable as to what direction is really "up".
Its like a dealer taking a vacation, he misses out on his tokes, so they have an adjustment known as a vacation toke or a bereavement toke or a hospitalization toke. This makes the administrative status not be too different from the financial status
With Floor Men it can be a whopping difference however. Oh maybe not the ultra large sums that are claimed in the media and in negotiating sessions, but its still a significant difference.
Good dealers remaining as dealers and mediocre dealers getting to be floor men might not be all that bad but its hard to tell someone you've got real good skills, now take a pay cut.
Its like a dealer taking a vacation, he misses out on his tokes, so they have an adjustment known as a vacation toke or a bereavement toke or a hospitalization toke. This makes the administrative status not be too different from the financial status
With Floor Men it can be a whopping difference however. Oh maybe not the ultra large sums that are claimed in the media and in negotiating sessions, but its still a significant difference.
Good dealers remaining as dealers and mediocre dealers getting to be floor men might not be all that bad but its hard to tell someone you've got real good skills, now take a pay cut.
July 10th, 2018 at 9:34:12 PM
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There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
July 11th, 2018 at 7:54:02 AM
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Jesus, that's borderline third-world back-alley entertainment right there....
July 12th, 2018 at 4:15:38 PM
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Nobody has commented on this 2018 Main Event hand last night. It's just sick. Legendary, Even.
Don't read anything. Watch the video.first.
https://deadspin.com/an-utterly-ludicrous-hand-determined-the-world-series-o-1827549219/amp
Don't read anything. Watch the video.first.
https://deadspin.com/an-utterly-ludicrous-hand-determined-the-world-series-o-1827549219/amp
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
July 12th, 2018 at 10:02:12 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsNobody has commented on this 2018 Main Event hand last night. It's just sick. Legendary, Even.
Don't read anything. Watch the video.first.
https://deadspin.com/an-utterly-ludicrous-hand-determined-the-world-series-o-1827549219/amp
I don't see where it is legendary. The last guy with kings should have laid them down. He had to know he was at best tied. He was gambling. I feel like I have seen this many times.
Maybe PokerGrinder can make a comment?
July 12th, 2018 at 10:18:42 PM
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Quote: MaxPenThe last guy with kings should have laid them down. He had to know he was at best tied. He was gambling. I feel like I have seen this many times.
Maybe PokerGrinder can make a comment?
OMG, I agree with MaxPen on something. I do, still think though, that's it legendary.
July 13th, 2018 at 3:25:05 AM
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Its like that first Karate Kid movie wherein the karate master said "Yes, I know karate but somebody always knows more''. A pair of Kings may be a real cool hand to be holding but there is always the chance that somebody is holding Aces.
I saw that blurb about the young woman who took up poker in order to write a book and has made so much money the book project is on hold. I think I may go back and read that when I wake up.
I saw that blurb about the young woman who took up poker in order to write a book and has made so much money the book project is on hold. I think I may go back and read that when I wake up.
July 13th, 2018 at 6:04:13 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffIts like that first Karate Kid movie wherein the karate master said "Yes, I know karate but somebody always knows more''. A pair of Kings may be a real cool hand to be holding but there is always the chance that somebody is holding Aces.
I saw that blurb about the young woman who took up poker in order to write a book and has made so much money the book project is on hold. I think I may go back and read that when I wake up.
Reminds me of a gambling episode where they were playing double or nothing and a guy excitedly says something like,"I have a Straight Flush! I won!" The other player says"Well, I have a Royal Flush, so, actually, I won! I get to take all your money!" The first player has a "Oh crap!" Expression!
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
"Olive oil is processed but it only has one
ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D
I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;)
Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D
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