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May 29th, 2018 at 5:05:29 PM permalink
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/home-prices-are-still-on-a-tear-case-shiller-says-2018-05-29

Another positive in today’s financial environment for those who own a home or invest in Real Estate. I don’t care who you want to give credit to, it’s another good sign for those who work hard, make the sacrifices and choose to buy a home. And if you bought in the last few years when rates were at near record lowers, you win again.

We can debate Roseanne and about her all night, but the right discussion is that long term, buying real estate and investments in the stock market pay off for most people who have the time.

And if you want to succeed, it’s never been a better time to legally live in America.

Americans are winning.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:17:16 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/home-prices-are-still-on-a-tear-case-shiller-says-2018-05-29

Another positive in today’s financial environment for those who own a home or invest in Real Estate. I don’t care who you want to give credit to, it’s another good sign for those who work hard, make the sacrifices and choose to buy a home. And if you bought in the last few years when rates were at near record lowers, you win again.

We can debate Roseanne and about her all night, but the right discussion is that long term, buying real estate and investments in the stock market pay off for most people who have the time.

And if you want to succeed, it’s never been a better time to legally live in America.

Americans are winning.



I am seeing a lot of business going under

Small mom and pop stores some in business for decades here in my hometown of nyc

Big corporations as well

Toys r us goes under and you say its the best economic boom ever

Smh
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:22:22 PM permalink
https://clark.com/shopping-retail/major-retailers-closing-2018/

Toy r us - 735 stores closing

Subway closing 500 stores

Best buy closing 200 stores

Abercrombie and fitch closing 60 stores

Footlocker closing 110

The list goes on

If this is the rights idea of a booming economy...
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:25:30 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I am seeing a lot of business going under

Small mom and pop stores some in business for decades here in my hometown of nyc

Big corporations as well

Toys r us goes under and you say its the best economic boom ever

Smh

I'm sure that has a lot to do with being able to shop online.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:25:32 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I am seeing a lot of business going under

Small mom and pop stores some in business for decades here in my hometown of nyc

Big corporations as well

Toys r us goes under and you say its the best economic boom ever

Smh

I'm sure that has a lot to do with being able to shop online.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:27:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

https://clark.com/shopping-retail/major-retailers-closing-2018/

Toy r us - 735 stores closing

Subway closing 500 stores

Best buy closing 200 stores

Abercrombie and fitch closing 60 stores

Footlocker closing 110

The list goes on

If this is the rights idea of a booming economy...



No business has an automatic right to make money. You either adapt or you go out of business. Should we list other long gone and sometimes forgotten businesses that didn’t adapt?

When was the last time you bought a set of encyclopedias?
Ate at Burger Chef?
Shopped at a Montgomery Ward?
Bought an Oldsmobile?

Times change and plenty of companies are making record profits. They must be doing something right.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:31:44 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sure that has a lot to do with being able to shop online.



I would agree if business was booming online for these retailers simultaneously

Quite a few are facing bankrupty. Thats not indicative of a change to online sales which most of those retailers have

And again Subway is closing 500!!!! Who orders footlong subways on Amazon?

There are no sales right now enough to sustain major retailers
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:33:16 PM permalink
And I’ll hit on Subway as an example you used. They sold an overpriced dream to many who fell for it. They sold locations to people that never had a long term chance to succeed. They didn’t give any guarantees on territory and often opened up too close to other locations, only concerned about collecting the franchise fees.

Bad long term decision but they made enough they probably didn’t care and knew this would eventually happen.

And having a kid F’er as their spokesperson didn’t help, even if they didn’t know. Which is subject to debate based on what you believe they did or didn’t hear and ignore.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:34:02 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I am seeing a lot of business going under

Small mom and pop stores some in business for decades here in my hometown of nyc

Big corporations as well

Toys r us goes under and you say its the best economic boom ever

Smh



NYC is an awful place to run a business, almost as if they hate private enterprise. How anyone stays open amazes me.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:34:13 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

No business has an automatic right to make money. You either adapt or you go out of business. Should we list other long gone and sometimes forgotten businesses that didn’t adapt?

When was the last time you bought a set of encyclopedias?
Ate at Burger Chef?
Shopped at a Montgomery Ward?
Bought an Oldsmobile?

Times change and plenty of companies are making record profits. They must be doing something right.



Im sure all of trumps factory and coal mining and steel makers voting base likes that answer

Their employers have no automatic right to make money
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:35:22 PM permalink
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Im sure all of trumps factory and coal mining and steel makers voting base likes that answer



Something wrong with steel and coal?
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:41:52 PM permalink
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NYC is an awful place to run a business, almost as if they hate private enterprise. How anyone stays open amazes me.



The liberals are still pissed Rudy cleaned up Times Square and put the Squeegy guys out of business.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:44:01 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I would agree if business was booming online for these retailers simultaneously

Quite a few are facing bankrupty. Thats not indicative of a change to online sales which most of those retailers have

And again Subway is closing 500!!!! Who orders footlong subways on Amazon?

There are no sales right now enough to sustain major retailers

Good riddance. I only eat there if I'm desperate. Last time I went there for myself I took one look at the guy about to make my sandwich and lost my appetite. The time before that they were kinda rude.

Replace them with In-N- Out, I have yet to have bad service there or see someone who looks unclean there. They are almost too friendly. The other day, I had my own can of soda in the car. The drive up guys notices and asks me if I would like a cup of ice for my soda. It took a second for it to sink in what he was asking and why since most places you have to beg for a cup of ice and they might begrudgingly give it to you.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:48:13 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Good riddance. I only eat there if I'm desperate. Last time I went there for myself I took one look at the guy about to make my sandwich and lots my appetite. The time before that they were kinda rude.

Replace them with In-N- Out, I have yet to have bad service there or see someone who looks unclean there. They are almost too friendly. The other day, I had my own can of soda in the car. The drive up guys notices and asks me if I would like a cup of ice for my soda. It took a second for it to sink in what he was asking and why since most places you have to beg for a cup of ice and they might begrudgingly give it to you.



You shouldn't wish stores that aren't to your personal taste fail

I have never shopped at abercrombie and fitch. Doesnt mean i say good riddance

We are discussing economy and massive store closures. If its okay one corporation closes versus another based on your personal taste then we probably have nothing to discuss

EDIT: In n out is disgusting to me. Take a subway any day over that. But i dont wish them out of business

Besides the old in n out in n out reminds me too much of alex and his droogs raping women
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:50:14 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):



The difference between the 2 statements is sykes was simultaneously insulting her own race. That type of humor usually flies under the radar

Since you think its anti-white i will translate

Black people steal wallets
White people have bigger agendas and steal countries

Thats actually humorous. Saying a black woman looks like a muslim mated to planet of the apes is not funny and just racist




WOW _ I did not read into the "White people don't steal wallets" as being a commentary on black people -- interesting that you did
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:52:36 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Quote: aceofspades

Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):



The difference between the 2 statements is sykes was simultaneously insulting her own race. That type of humor usually flies under the radar

Since you think its anti-white i will translate

Black people steal wallets
White people have bigger agendas and steal countries

Thats actually humorous. Saying a black woman looks like a muslim mated to planet of the apes is not funny and just racist




WOW _ I did not read into the "White people don't steal wallets" as being a commentary on black people -- interesting that you did



And interesting that you didnt
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:53:33 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: darkoz

Quote: aceofspades

Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):



The difference between the 2 statements is sykes was simultaneously insulting her own race. That type of humor usually flies under the radar

Since you think its anti-white i will translate

Black people steal wallets
White people have bigger agendas and steal countries

Thats actually humorous. Saying a black woman looks like a muslim mated to planet of the apes is not funny and just racist




WOW _ I did not read into the "White people don't steal wallets" as being a commentary on black people -- interesting that you did



And interesting that you didnt



Indeed, I do not automatically equate black people with stealing wallets
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May 29th, 2018 at 6:03:01 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Quote: darkoz

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: darkoz

Quote: aceofspades

Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):



The difference between the 2 statements is sykes was simultaneously insulting her own race. That type of humor usually flies under the radar

Since you think its anti-white i will translate

Black people steal wallets
White people have bigger agendas and steal countries

Thats actually humorous. Saying a black woman looks like a muslim mated to planet of the apes is not funny and just racist




WOW _ I did not read into the "White people don't steal wallets" as being a commentary on black people -- interesting that you did



And interesting that you didnt



Indeed, I do not automatically equate black people with stealing wallets



Neither do I

But I do recognize humor and the intent of certain jokes
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May 29th, 2018 at 6:05:44 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You shouldn't wish stores that aren't to your personal taste fail

I have never shopped at abercrombie and fitch. Doesnt mean i say good riddance

We are discussing economy and massive store closures. If its okay one corporation closes versus another based on your personal taste then we probably have nothing to discuss

EDIT: In n out is disgusting to me. Take a subway any day over that. But i dont wish them out of business

Besides the old in n out in n out reminds me too much of alex and his droogs raping women

The fact that it isn't my personal taste isn't the only reason. I think the service sucks. It's hard to imagine, but the people they hire seem to be subpar(even for a ff joint) and hate their job.

It may be different in other cities, but here in LV, it seems like many of the FF joints hire the worst possible people. INO seems to do just the opposite.
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May 29th, 2018 at 6:12:08 PM permalink
Assuming for a moment the point of view of someone who might be in the lower economic class of Trump voters, one thing I notice is price of gas and food going up. People might notice the jobs, or they might notice prices going up at that tier. I was just looking at the chicken packages today, what was $4 is now $7. Of cpurse, maybe it's just where I live.
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May 29th, 2018 at 6:19:37 PM permalink
I figure Trump has a whole base of voters who aren't even in the stock market or other investments.. They're looking at costs.
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May 29th, 2018 at 6:47:12 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Assuming for a moment the point of view of someone who might be in the lower economic class of Trump voters, one thing I notice is price of gas and food going up. People might notice the jobs, or they might notice prices going up at that tier. I was just looking at the chicken packages today, what was $4 is now $7. Of cpurse, maybe it's just where I live.


Chicken packages????
Best deal on chicken in the entire country
Costco rotisserie chicken.
4.99 for a whole chicken
I buy one for a couple dinners then make chicken salad.
Bargain.
Costco loses money on this. Millions a year
The price amazes me
I've seen chicken parts in grocery stores for more then 4.99
Its also a big chicken. 3 lbs cooked. Bigger then the more expensive grocery store rotisserie that weigh 2 to 2.5 lb
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May 29th, 2018 at 7:12:46 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I figure Trump has a whole base of voters who aren't even in the stock market or other investments.. They're looking at costs.



Yep. Gas up average of 80 cents/gallon in 1 year, hamburger $5/lb or more, which is up 50%, fresh chicken prices double, eggs almost double. ..and fresh food is rotting in fields everywhere because no one is around to harvest it. Things are only just beginning to really suck. Tariffs haven't even set in yet.

But, oh yeah, I'm getting an extra $30/month in my retirement check. That'll make up for it. Oh, nope, my health care went up $27/month, and I'm lucky to have it. So $3 / month from the tax plan.

As I said before in a different thread, I have enough. I have few complaints. But the lies are starting to come home to roost.
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May 29th, 2018 at 8:56:37 PM permalink
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Chicken packages????
Best deal on chicken in the entire country
Costco rotisserie chicken.
4.99 for a whole chicken
I buy one for a couple dinners then make chicken salad.
Bargain.
Costco loses money on this. Millions a year
The price amazes me
I've seen chicken parts in grocery stores for more then 4.99
Its also a big chicken. 3 lbs cooked. Bigger then the more expensive grocery store rotisserie that weigh 2 to 2.5 lb



Doesn't Costco also lose money on stamps too ( I think they look at stuff like this a loss leader ) -- seems about right, also, have to factor in that they do get a yearly membership fee

But, regardless of political affiliations or debates we've had hereon -- I agree wholeheartedly that the rotisserie chicken for $4.99 is an excellent deal and a delicious meal (I like to add on some BBQ sauce when I am reheating it)
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May 29th, 2018 at 8:57:30 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Yep. Gas up average of 80 cents/gallon in 1 year, hamburger $5/lb or more, which is up 50%, fresh chicken prices double, eggs almost double. ..and fresh food is rotting in fields everywhere because no one is around to harvest it. Things are only just beginning to really suck. Tariffs haven't even set in yet.

But, oh yeah, I'm getting an extra $30/month in my retirement check. That'll make up for it. Oh, nope, my health care went up $27/month, and I'm lucky to have it. So $3 / month from the tax plan.

As I said before in a different thread, I have enough. I have few complaints. But the lies are starting to come home to roost.



I would love to have my health care go up only $27/month -- once O-care kicked in, my healthcare went up 220%
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May 29th, 2018 at 9:06:28 PM permalink
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I would love to have my health care go up only $27/month -- once O-care kicked in, my healthcare went up 220%



Not if it went up 220%... and then another $27
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May 29th, 2018 at 9:15:21 PM permalink
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Not if it went up 220%... and then another $27



After the immediate 220%, mine hasn't gone up other than COLA
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May 29th, 2018 at 9:49:32 PM permalink
There's an employment problem in W MI
now, they can't find enough people
to fill all the jobs. Booming doesn't even
cover it. Some places will hire you if
you're under 50 and breathing and have
any kind of college degree. Three years
ago those people couldn't find a job
anywhere around here.
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May 29th, 2018 at 10:06:44 PM permalink
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There's an employment problem in W MI
now, they can't find enough people
to fill all the jobs. Booming doesn't even
cover it. Some places will hire you if
you're under 50 and breathing and have
any kind of college degree. Three years
ago those people couldn't find a job
anywhere around here.



Wow

With all the surplus jobs sounds like its a boom town

Soon to be as many people surging there for jobs as NYC

Let me know when population of W MI Bubbacluck hits 8 million
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May 29th, 2018 at 10:28:03 PM permalink
Where or what is a W Mi?
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May 29th, 2018 at 10:31:08 PM permalink
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Where or what is a W Mi?



I am assuming West Michigan. Although thats not a state but a part of a state

West Bubbacluck to the rest of us
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:55:34 AM permalink
Flyover Country.
I've heard of some interesting things going on in and around Detroit. If I were much younger and the climate was better, I'd head there myself.
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May 30th, 2018 at 6:11:28 AM permalink
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I don't know how jobs are doing overall, it just seems to me everyone is doing better as far getting work goes. It seems as if there is a bunch of companies who are now hiring.

looking forward to hearing about the next 7-11 raid/round up here in LV.



And this is what the Dems/Libs don't get. Axel did not "take a poll", do any complicated research, submit his thoughts to a Chi Square test.... I think most Americans agree with him, even the ones that hate Trump. Even in Buffalo, I get that same feeling now. Is it because of Trump? Who knows? But things are better now than they were 1.5 years ago. Would they be even better if HRC was President? We will never know, but I bet most Americans don't think so.

By the way, I did my tax cut analysis. For the same income I will pay around $10,000 more in federal taxes thanks to the tax 'cut'. So that should make my Dem/Lib friends happy!
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May 30th, 2018 at 7:19:22 AM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

DOW on 12/22/17 - 24,782.

DOW today - 24,361.

You guys live in a different world devoid of truths and facts. Enjoy it?


It’s a workd of technology don’t ya know. Get back to us with comparison of the Nasdaq Composite Index...looking at the 30 stocks in The Dow as a barometer of how equity investments are doing was relevant in the 80’s...so yeah, we live in the here and now, your comment, not so much. But keep grasping at straws of how poorly business and the economy has been doing since November of 2016...it’s a winning strategy.

If were lucky, the Dems will be waving that flag along with Russian Collusion, attacking 2A and fighting for sanctuary cities come November. Very samrt. Throw some Stormy Daniels/Campaign Finance violations in there too, because we’re all very concerned about what happened after some porn star bent over.

Better hope that NK summit never happens or progress on infrastructure doesn’t move forward before November...that would really suck for the Country.
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May 30th, 2018 at 7:22:01 AM permalink
What is it with Trump and MS-13
Why does he single out this gang?
ALL ethnic gangs are ruthless
I don't find MS -13 any more ruthless then other gangs in this country
I was born in Asia
You don't mess with the Tongs and the Yakuza. Totally ruthless
They operate in the US.
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May 30th, 2018 at 8:04:06 AM permalink
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What is it with Trump and MS-13

I don't find MS -13 any more ruthless then other gangs in this country
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Do a google search. They happen to be more ruthless. They are over 90 on the 'ruthlessometer'. The others you mention barely make an 85.
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May 30th, 2018 at 8:15:50 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Do a google search. They happen to be more ruthless. They are over 90 on the 'ruthlessometer'. The others you mention barely make an 85.



The Soopoo Tong Gang Member quote:

(In Arnold schwarzeneggers voice)

"Do not be concerned. I will only torture you over 85% of your body. We are not as vicious as those MS guys. They do 95%"
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May 30th, 2018 at 8:29:17 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Assuming for a moment the point of view of someone who might be in the lower economic class of Trump voters, one thing I notice is price of gas and food going up.



Some food prices always seem to have random (and crazy) fluctuations.

Eggs are the worst for this. I bought a 30 pack of eggs a couple weeks ago for almost $9. Literally the very next week they were under $5, for the same pack (which is what they normally cost).

Things like milk, cheese, butter, bread, and a lot of other staples have usually been pretty consistent over the years.

Meat, too... at least chicken. The fancy pants hipster grocery store near my house has had chicken for $2-$3/lb for years now.

Many fruits and vegetables are also pretty cheap and consistent in price -- the most common items are $1-$2/lb, and have been for years.

I'm just not seeing these crazy food prices that people always seem to be talking about. Maybe it is just dependent on where you live.
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May 30th, 2018 at 9:52:16 AM permalink
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It’s a workd of technology don’t ya know. Get back to us with comparison of the Nasdaq Composite Index...looking at the 30 stocks in The Dow as a barometer of how equity investments are doing was relevant in the 80’s...so yeah, we live in the here and now, your comment, not so much. But keep grasping at straws of how poorly business and the economy has been doing since November of 2016...it’s a winning strategy.

If were lucky, the Dems will be waving that flag along with Russian Collusion, attacking 2A and fighting for sanctuary cities come November. Very samrt. Throw some Stormy Daniels/Campaign Finance violations in there too, because we’re all very concerned about what happened after some porn star bent over.

Better hope that NK summit never happens or progress on infrastructure doesn’t move forward before November...that would really suck for the Country.



Apologies. I was on mobile and really didn't have the time to do extensive research to counter the claim that AZ said the stock market was "up quite a bit since October". I asked him how things were going since tax reform and he said it was still up. I spent a couple minutes on the numbers:

January 20th, 2017
DOW - 19,732
S&P - 2,263
Nasdaq - 5,540

October 2, 2017
DOW - 22,405
S&P - 2,519
Nasdaq - 6,495

December 22nd, 2017
DOW - 24,782
S&P - 2,684
Nasdaq - 6,965

May 29th, 2018
DOW - 24,361
S&P - 2,721
Nasdaq - 7,433

It appears to be a mixed bag of results, doesn't it? The first year was awesome but things have kinda slowed down since tax cuts. During the Obama years, Republicans ignored the stock market's performance, saying things that the president doesn't really have an affect on it. But if so, businesses have been reaping record profits for quite some time, LONG before DJT arrived. But yet, somehow, his message of America is a cesspool resonated with you all. Interesting.

But on another point, you have me a little twisted. See, I don't root for my country's failure because I don't like my president. I celebrate our successes and truly hope for peace in the Korean peninsula. And if you knew me at all, you'd know that I've been clamoring for huge infrastructure investments for 10 years. It would be interesting to see republicans all for it in 2018 when they fought for EIGHT YEARS to deny it in the Obama administration (deficits? Will the real conservatives stand up?). Putting party before country? Sounds borderline treasonous to me, in my opinion.

Quote: Paradigm

But keep grasping at straws of how poorly business and the economy has been doing since June of 2009...it’s a winning strategy.



Fixed for you.

But that strategy, of saying America sucks when it didn't, seems to have paid off for the GOP.
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May 30th, 2018 at 10:04:15 AM permalink
I guess Trey is part of that "deep state" the cons keep talking about.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/opinions/fbi-is-owed-an-apology-for-false-spy-claim-campbell/index.html

Waiting for a ZeroHedge link so I can get the REAL truth.
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May 30th, 2018 at 10:54:22 AM permalink
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Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.



Chuckle
Trump just tweeted
Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?
11:31 AM - May 30, 2018

Mr thin skinned Trump thinks accurate news reports are "HORRIBLE"
ROTFL
He's got to have the thinnest skin on the planet
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May 30th, 2018 at 11:22:05 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


He's got the thinnest skin on the planet



President Snowflake.

He's been rich and powerful since birth. If you're not used to being told "no" or "screw you," when you finally become President out of nowhere and half the country hates you at any given time, it's a massive ego blow. Trump doesn't know how to handle that, hence the almost daily Twitter crybaby meltdowns.

We're just lucky Trump is all talk and politically weak on the global stage. Otherwise there could be REAL trouble.

From the party who claims there's too much political correctness and "f*** your feelings," Conservatives sure are a sensitive little bunch these days.
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May 30th, 2018 at 11:42:23 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Chuckle
Trump just tweeted
Bob Iger of ABC called Valerie Jarrett to let her know that “ABC does not tolerate comments like those” made by Roseanne Barr. Gee, he never called President Donald J. Trump to apologize for the HORRIBLE statements made and said about me on ABC. Maybe I just didn’t get the call?
11:31 AM - May 30, 2018

Mr thin skinned Trump thinks accurate news reports are "HORRIBLE"
ROTFL
He's got to have the thinnest skin on the planet



Big deal. An apology for a tweet. Valarie should just get over it. Trump is right to call them out for their double standard. "The View" alone has said things many times worse.

I wonder if he apologized to the Disney stockholders for the millions lost?

Trump is about the thickest skin POTUS in history, Attacked from all sides. He just keeps on moving the ball down the field. Like the alpha male he is.
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May 30th, 2018 at 11:53:36 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Attacked from all sides.



He brings it on himself by being a serial liar and a complete douche.
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May 30th, 2018 at 11:59:18 AM permalink
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I'm just not seeing these crazy food prices that people always seem to be talking about. Maybe it is just dependent on where you live.



I think the mandatory minimum wage hikes are a major factor. It has gone up substantially here in WNY. And fast food, supermarket prices, etc, have gone up in parallel.
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:01:02 PM permalink
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He brings it on himself by being a serial liar and a complete douche.



We were talking about Trump, not Obama.
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:03:22 PM permalink
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I wonder if he apologized to the Disney stockholders for the millions lost?
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I'm a DIS stockholder. It's up .3% today. Wall street not so worried........ I think ignoring a racist employee (Barr) would have been far more dangerous to a mainstream company than firing her.
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:05:15 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

We were talking about Trump, not Obama.



Yeah, there's really no comparison. You live in a different world.

http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:07:01 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm a DIS stockholder. It's up .3% today. Wall street not so worried........ I think ignoring a racist employee (Barr) would have been far more dangerous to a mainstream company than firing her.



ABC should be commended for doing the right thing here, but her twitter feed was public record. They knew what they were getting themselves into.
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May 30th, 2018 at 12:17:15 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm a DIS stockholder. It's up .3% today. Wall street not so worried........ I think ignoring a racist employee (Barr) would have been far more dangerous to a mainstream company than firing her.



I am not so sure. The perpetually offended might tune out, but mostly just to her show. Would the average "Shark Tank" viewer care what Rosanne tweeted?
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