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May 26th, 2018 at 11:42:43 AM permalink
I heard somewhere this whole Kim
thing is Moon's fault. He led Kim to
believe the whole world would de-nuke
if Kim did, that's why he was all for
it. When the truth dawned on Kim that
only NoKo was de-nuking, we see how
he reacted.

They say Moon is not the sharpest
knife in the drawer and he wants the
legacy of reuniting Korea. Kim
is talking again, but I think he's now
just playing us. He has no intention
of de-nuking and will try and play
Trump like he played Obama. Won't
work.
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May 26th, 2018 at 11:47:22 AM permalink
You are correct. Obama would have never been so stupid as to agree to meet with a murderous dictator without getting concrete concessions up front and certainly wouldn't have immortalized a "supreme leader" on a coin, again in advance.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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May 26th, 2018 at 11:56:57 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

without getting concrete concessions up front



Got the concessions. Kim said he would
de-nuke, Trump said lets talk. Only Kim
never mentioned that we had to de-nuke
also. This all makes sense from the way
things went down. Kim was confused, saw
the light, and reacted accordingly.

This is what happens with too many middlemen
and a language and mindset set that is
completely foreign to ours. Little Kim in
his 3rd world craphole with his toy nuke
arsenal really thinks he's a world player.
I could never figure out why all of a sudden
he was changing. Turns out he wasn't, he was
just misinformed.

This will end very badly for NoKo, I now predict.
Kim has the economy of Haiti, and the ego
of Napoleon. Not a good combo.
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May 26th, 2018 at 12:00:28 PM permalink
Where did Kim ever say he would de-nuke?
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May 26th, 2018 at 12:06:24 PM permalink
I haven't got the deep dive in this, so a grain of salt is needed with my opinion.

1. China is a huge but somewhat hidden factor in this. Kim's moves are being orchestrated through them. Not a coincidence he's been to China twice to consult.

2. China and NK , even SK, all by disposition and mindset, think.in terms of centuries, if not millenia. The US is a baby at 225 compared to 5000 years of gamesmanship and subtlety. Trump is being played.

3. Trump has made himself easy to manipulate by being so obvious in trying to erase or overturn everything Obama did in office. The Nobel is the brass ring that the Asians are putting through his nose. Which is laughable, because even if there was an accord, the Nobel people don't award at the point of a gun. Some self-delusion going on there.
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May 26th, 2018 at 12:09:44 PM permalink
The last thing China, or Russia wants is a unified Korea with US troops on their very borders. I doubt Japan thinks highly of a unified Korean economic giant competing with it for manufacturing jobs.
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May 26th, 2018 at 12:33:03 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I haven't got the deep dive in this, so a grain of salt is needed with my opinion.

1. China is a huge but somewhat hidden factor in this. Kim's moves are being orchestrated through them. Not a coincidence he's been to China twice to consult.

2. China and NK , even SK, all by disposition and mindset, think.in terms of centuries, if not millenia. The US is a baby at 225 compared to 5000 years of gamesmanship and subtlety. Trump is being played.

3. Trump has made himself easy to manipulate by being so obvious in trying to erase or overturn everything Obama did in office. The Nobel is the brass ring that the Asians are putting through his nose. Which is laughable, because even if there was an accord, the Nobel people don't award at the point of a gun. Some self-delusion going on there.




2 and 3 are #WEAK
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May 26th, 2018 at 1:08:37 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You are correct. Obama would have never been so stupid



You should write stand up comedy. Obama
was nothing BUT stupid on foreign affairs.
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May 26th, 2018 at 1:31:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You should write stand up comedy. Obama
was nothing BUT stupid on foreign affairs.



...and yet he was still light years ahead of Trump, who can't even spell his own wife's name right.
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May 26th, 2018 at 2:00:37 PM permalink
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...and yet he was still light years ahead of Trump, who can't even spell his own wife's name right.



I'll just leave this here:

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May 26th, 2018 at 3:02:52 PM permalink
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I'll just leave this here:



The thing about Obama is, he didn't
even catch the mistake, that's how
robotic and out of it he is. It's why
without reading something he's totally
lost. All he says is 'um' and 'ah' a lot.

Trump made the mistake spelling coffee
and he still jokes about it all the time.
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:04:04 AM permalink
Trump supporter Roseanne just got her show canceled due to being a racist
I never watched it anyway
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:20:40 AM permalink
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Trump supporter Roseanne just got her show canceled due to being a racist
I never watched it anyway



This is a small deal that is really a BIG deal.

ABC is not liberal. They are Disney, quite conservative and very politically active here, with the possible exception of their progressive LGBTQ policies.

They walked away from hundreds of millions of dollars in ad revenue on a hit TV show. Last week it was the headliner in their fall lineup presentation.

Might be the first, and a very important one, time a major network has allowed their standards to come before their financial interests

I could not be prouder of them for taking a stance. They have earned my business.

" a racist comment" doesn't cover it. Since it's been deleted, the text was "Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby = vj" (Valerie Jarrett, special advisor to President Obama).
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:35:41 AM permalink
What I dont get is why does Roseanne hate Valerie Jarett so much.
I just dont get some conservatives and their racism. Take Milo. He was kicked off twitter for going after Leslie Jones
WTF
Why Leslie Jones of all people. Hardly on my radar
Same with VJ, hardly on my radar
So what if both are black. I just dont get the hatred for both these Black woman.
Is it simply because they are Black that Milo and Roseanne hate them so much
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:37:58 AM permalink
Does Valerie Jarretr hate President Trump more because he is a MALE or that he stole the election from Hillary ?
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:40:31 AM permalink
It probably deserves it's own thread before it gets long, unless you want everything stuffed in the trump thread.
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:42:19 AM permalink
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Does Valerie Jarretr hate President Trump more because he is a MALE or that he stole the election from Hillary ?


I dont have the foggiest idea what Jarrett hates. Do you mreggbertsouse? No doubt Roseanne the racist hates her due to the tweets i read
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:47:49 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob



Trump made the mistake spelling coffee
and he still jokes about it all the time.



Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:49:53 AM permalink
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Does Valerie Jarretr hate President Trump more because he is a MALE or that he stole the election from Hillary ?



Bye, buzz.
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:50:20 AM permalink
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Trump has a thick skin


I just spit out my coffee laughing so hard
What a fantasy
Trump has the thinnest skin ever
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:55:13 AM permalink
It should be noted that Roseanne had her twitter account taken away from her by those around her before. She had made a couple of ugly tweets she survived in recent weeks, and had put out some other stuff that was apparently questionable.

So this was not a single-tweet knee-jerk reaction.

She also had lost 2 people from the show, one a producer who couldn't work with her, and this morning one of the women who plays a Conner daughter resigned just before Disney canceled the show.

Who knows what else was going we haven't yet heard, or never will.
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May 29th, 2018 at 11:58:42 AM permalink
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Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.



Laughable comment. Biggest grudge-holder ever. No sense of fair business practices. No slight left unresented and returned with interest. Except when being "proactive" in demeaning a perceived enemy first.
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May 29th, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM permalink
Evidently, trump is somehow perceived as a mans man by a certain portion of the population.
I think it's his giant hands and healthy glow.
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May 29th, 2018 at 12:50:13 PM permalink
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Bye, buzz.




Buzz must hold some sort of record for being thrown out of here.
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May 29th, 2018 at 12:56:42 PM permalink
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Buzz must hold some sort of record for being thrown out of here.



Neck and neck with egalite/rolex/johno, with WoN approaching fast on the rail.
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May 29th, 2018 at 1:10:04 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.




Quote: beachbumbabs

Laughable comment. Biggest grudge-holder ever. No sense of fair business practices. No slight left unresented and returned with interest. Except when being "proactive" in demeaning a perceived enemy first.



Trump has a thick skin???????????????
So funny I have to spell it out in caps
ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING

I remember Obama making fun of his middle name at the Al Smith dinner
while
Trump seethes every time he sees SNL
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May 29th, 2018 at 1:57:04 PM permalink
Market down 400 points after trump announces his latest plan to " save" the economy.
How's everyones 401K doing today?
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May 29th, 2018 at 2:04:36 PM permalink
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Market down 400 points after trump announces his latest plan to " save" the economy.
How's everyones 401K doing today?



Up quite a bit since October 2016.
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May 29th, 2018 at 2:33:12 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.



Probably why he skipped the WHCD. Because he can take a joke. Trump....a thick skin, lmao. Thanks for the chuckle.

Obama made fun of himself on a consistent basis. You guys live in a different world.
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May 29th, 2018 at 2:35:00 PM permalink
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Up quite a bit since October 2016.



What's it at since tax cuts passed?
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:24:45 PM permalink
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What's it at since tax cuts passed?



Still up. Tax cut is great for the USA. Greed never helped things.
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:26:29 PM permalink
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Probably why he skipped the WHCD. Because he can take a joke.



More because it is a bunch of potty mouths bashing anything not liberal. Should call it the FNCD.
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:31:29 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Trump has a thick skin and can make fun of himself. Was not the case with Obama.





Quote: Steverinos

Probably why he skipped the WHCD. Because he can take a joke. Trump....a thick skin, lmao. Thanks for the chuckle.

Obama made fun of himself on a consistent basis. You guys live in a different world.



Totally agree
Most conservatives can take a joke
Both Bushes and Reagan were able to laugh at themselves
Its Trump that seethes when he is made fun of
I don't have the foggiest idea where AZ gets this thick skin stuff
Its a well known fact among the entire planets population that Trump is thin skinned. Even Kim in NK knows this
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:34:41 PM permalink
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Still up. Tax cut is great for the USA. Greed never helped things.




DOW on 12/22/17 - 24,782.

DOW today - 24,361.

You guys live in a different world devoid of truths and facts. Enjoy it?
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:44:49 PM permalink
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DOW on 12/22/17 - 24,782.

DOW today - 24,361.

You guys live in a different world devoid of truths and facts. Enjoy it?



You are aware the DOW is just 30 companies, no? And that 12/22/17 was the end of a year of a major boom?
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May 29th, 2018 at 3:57:40 PM permalink
The economy hasn’t really been gang busters since trump’s tax cuts. We’ll see what long term effects they have.
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:12:45 PM permalink
I don't know how jobs are doing overall, it just seems to me everyone is doing better as far getting work goes. It seems as if there is a bunch of companies who are now hiring.

looking forward to hearing about the next 7-11 raid/round up here in LV.
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:17:07 PM permalink
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I don't know how jobs are doing overall, it just seems to me everyone is doing better as far getting work goes. It seems as if there is a bunch of companies who are now hiring.



Unemployment a record low. I have met several people who said how things boomed almost to the day Trump was elected, the steel tariffs. and the tax cuts. Libs meanwhile are still thinking that running on impeachment on the charge they do not like him is a winning strategy.
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:30:24 PM permalink
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This is a small deal that is really a BIG deal.

ABC is not liberal. They are Disney, quite conservative and very politically active here, with the possible exception of their progressive LGBTQ policies.

They walked away from hundreds of millions of dollars in ad revenue on a hit TV show. Last week it was the headliner in their fall lineup presentation.

Might be the first, and a very important one, time a major network has allowed their standards to come before their financial interests

I could not be prouder of them for taking a stance. They have earned my business.

" a racist comment" doesn't cover it. Since it's been deleted, the text was "Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby = vj" (Valerie Jarrett, special advisor to President Obama).



Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):

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May 29th, 2018 at 4:33:50 PM permalink
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What I dont get is why does Roseanne hate Valerie Jarett so much.
I just dont get some conservatives and their racism. Take Milo. He was kicked off twitter for going after Leslie Jones
WTF
Why Leslie Jones of all people. Hardly on my radar
Same with VJ, hardly on my radar
So what if both are black. I just dont get the hatred for both these Black woman.
Is it simply because they are Black that Milo and Roseanne hate them so much



You are misinformed - Milo never went after Leslie Jones -- he merely reviewed the movie stating it was not good and, when Jones took umbrage, told her to stop playing the victim role merely because the movie was getting panned

Many of Milo's followers, I'll grant you, were not as professional as Milo
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:37:17 PM permalink
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Probably why he skipped the WHCD. Because he can take a joke. Trump....a thick skin, lmao. Thanks for the chuckle.

Obama made fun of himself on a consistent basis. You guys live in a different world.





Right, the WHCD treated O just as badly as they treat the POTUS, in absentia
Did they press ever Michelle like they do Melania?
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:39:15 PM permalink
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You are misinformed - Milo never went after Leslie Jones -- he merely reviewed the movie stating it was not good and, when Jones took umbrage, told her to stop playing the victim role merely because the movie was getting panned


You are misinformed
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/technology/twitter-bars-milo-yiannopoulos-in-crackdown-on-abusive-comments.html
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:45:17 PM permalink
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You are misinformed
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/technology/twitter-bars-milo-yiannopoulos-in-crackdown-on-abusive-comments.html



Not subscribing to the New York Times to read that article

But, you are wrong - his followers made rude comments, he merely panned the movie and how the movie made her portray a stereotypical "sassy" black woman

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May 29th, 2018 at 4:45:42 PM permalink
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Right, the WHCD treated O just as badly as they treat the POTUS, in absentia


They don't treat anybody badly.
Everybody is there to have fun and break each others balls
Come on.
Both Bushes attended
Reagan only missed one, when he was recovering from assassination attempt
Trump did not go because he is too thin skinned
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:49:35 PM permalink
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They don't treat anybody badly.
Everybody is there to have fun and break each others balls
Come on.
Both Bushes attended
Reagan only missed one, when he was recovering from assassination attempt
Trump did not go because he is too thin skinned



You see no difference in how the media treated O versus how they treat the POTUS???

There is no reason to continue any debate if you cannot even admit this
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:55:00 PM permalink
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You see no difference in how the media treated O versus how they treat the POTUS???



Nope
Fox went after Obama every single nite
There is no reason to continue any debate if you cannot even admit this.
I simply yawn over Foxnews hating Obama and loving Trump
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May 29th, 2018 at 4:59:43 PM permalink
Rosanne Barr now dropped from jer agency as well

The sad part is she could have put pro trump stuff in her show for awhile.

I wondered how long before her show was cancelled but i figured the interest would wane. Didnt expect her to shoot down her own program, sabotage it

Smh
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:02:04 PM permalink
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But, you are wrong - his followers made rude comments, he merely panned the movie and how the movie made her portray a stereotypical "sassy" black woman


Rude and panned?????????????
Twitter does not ban over rude and panned
They ban due to hate
Why cant Milo defend himself on twitter?
Oh yea
Banned over his hate for Leslie Jones

This is so weird. Leslie Jones is not even on my radar. If it wasn't for Milo's hate for this Black Woman, I wouldn't even know who she is.
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Hmmm the newest Star Wars movies contain a lot of liberal virtue signaling Babs - additionally, Disney's being conservative might have been true at one point but, not so anymore


As for Disney putting their "standards" ahead of financial interests, they certainly did not do so when Jimmy Kimmel made gay remarks about Trump nor did they do so when Wanda Sykes (a writer on the Roseanne show - which was in production at the time of her tweet below) -- made anti-white remarks







I don't think anyone should be fired for speech - but, we must all remember that free speech in the Constitution concerns the Federal government putting limitations on it - not private companies like the NFL or ABC so, in that case, just as I state the NFL can clamp down on kneeling during the National Anthem, ABC has the absolute right to fire Roseanne


And, they just re-hired Olberman on ESPN (owned by Disney):



The difference between the 2 statements is sykes was simultaneously insulting her own race. That type of humor usually flies under the radar

Since you think its anti-white i will translate

Black people steal wallets
White people have bigger agendas and steal countries

Thats actually humorous. Saying a black woman looks like a muslim mated to planet of the apes is not funny and just racist
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May 29th, 2018 at 5:05:01 PM permalink
GD .... I really liked Roseanne (the show).
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