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February 4th, 2019 at 9:37:52 PM permalink
Please refrain from confusing the issue with facts. Facts are not welcome if they not agree with a bias.
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February 5th, 2019 at 5:45:41 AM permalink
Quote: jackmagic777

Please refrain from confusing the issue with facts. Facts are not welcome if they not agree with a bias.


ROTFL
This is rich from somebody that does not post facts but instead posts fake news.
Your last post in this thread was FAKE
Try to keep up and stick to the facts
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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February 5th, 2019 at 8:15:29 AM permalink
Everyone I’ve talked to who filed, some of them Trump voters, are PISSED about their tax return.

I’m expecting to pay around $2200 more this year due to the 2018 Republican Tax Scam.
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February 5th, 2019 at 9:28:35 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Everyone I’ve talked to who filed, some of them Trump voters, are PISSED about their tax return.

I’m expecting to pay around $2200 more this year due to the 2018 Republican Tax Scam.



Probably why the GOP ran on "invasion" instead of "saving a $1.50 a week" during the midterms. They know who this benefits the most.

Trickle-down is a failure.
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February 5th, 2019 at 11:48:24 AM permalink
The pouty, grumpy Children Of The Left
are set for Trump's SOTU address. Some
aren't showing up, some are wearing
the same colors to show unity, Cortex
Ortez won't shake his hand, others will
yell cat calls to disrupt the proceedings.
Some will refuse to stand or applaud.

Just think Jr High pep rally and you have
the mentality of the Left nailed.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:03:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The pouty, grumpy Children Of The Left
are set for Trump's SOTU address. Some
aren't showing up, some are wearing
the same colors to show unity, Cortex
Ortez won't shake his hand, others will
yell cat calls to disrupt the proceedings.
Some will refuse to stand or applaud.

Just think Jr High pep rally and you have
the mentality of the Left nailed.



I am sure fairly She-Jack (Sheila Jackson-Lee) will be right there on the aisle in a brightly colored outfit trying to get herself on some TV.

That is one thing that seems to be a constant in SOTUs...
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:10:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The pouty, grumpy Children Of The Left
are set for Trump's SOTU address. Some
aren't showing up, some are wearing
the same colors to show unity, Cortex
Ortez won't shake his hand, others will
yell cat calls to disrupt the proceedings.
Some will refuse to stand or applaud.

Just think Jr High pep rally and you have
the mentality of the Left nailed.



Doesn't it seem like just yesterday that the GOP was calling Obama a liar at the SOTU?

By the way, your post was riddled with structure problems.
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

Doesn't it seem like just yesterday that the GOP was calling Obama a liar at the SOTU?



That did happen. I believe one member called him that out loud. He was pretty roundly criticized and was reprimanded by the House. I wish he would have been censured; then he would have had to stand in the well while the resolution of censure was read.

If someone in Congress does that tonight, I expect the appropriate leader to handle it with appropriate action.
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:21:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The pouty, grumpy Children Of The Left
are set for Trump's SOTU address. Some
aren't showing up, some are wearing
the same colors to show unity, Cortex
Ortez won't shake his hand, others will
yell cat calls to disrupt the proceedings.
Some will refuse to stand or applaud.

Just think Jr High pep rally and you have
the mentality of the Left nailed.



You should be suspended for insulting Jr. High School kids
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:28:32 PM permalink
Gee sorry you missed out. Don't feel badly. Nancy said it was only crumbs

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/tax-cuts-workers-benefits-boom/
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:29:13 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Cortex
Ortez won't shake his hand,



The outrage! The scandal!
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:39:41 PM permalink
Quote: jackmagic777

Gee sorry you missed out. Don't feel badly. Nancy said it was only crumbs

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/tax-cuts-workers-benefits-boom/



And Paul Ryan confirmed that with the $1.50 tweet...that he deleted.

Wonder why they didn't campaign on it during the midterms? I don't.
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:39:57 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

That did happen. I believe one member called him that out loud. He was pretty roundly criticized and was reprimanded by the House. I wish he would have been censured; then he would have had to stand in the well while the resolution of censure was read.

If someone in Congress does that tonight, I expect the appropriate leader to handle it with appropriate action.


He only apologized to the WH
He never apologized to the people
I tuned in to listen to the President, not some loudmouth punk that's a repub rep
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:43:16 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

And Paul Ryan confirmed that with the $1.50 tweet...that he deleted.

Wonder why they didn't campaign on it during the midterms? I don't.



Investor Business Daily, what would they know about workers benefits and tax cuts. Pardon me.
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February 5th, 2019 at 12:47:54 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

He only apologized to the WH
He never apologized to the people
I tuned in to listen to the President, not some loudmouth punk that's a repub rep



“While I disagree with the president’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility.”

The person he interrupted was the President, so that is who received the apology.

I think his apology was fine and the reprimand was appropriate...but I would rather have seen him treated to a reading of a censure in the well of the House...
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February 5th, 2019 at 2:34:15 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

By the way, your post was riddled with structure problems.



Over-structure. It flowed too smoothly and
made too much sense.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 5th, 2019 at 2:42:30 PM permalink
Quote: jackmagic777

Investor Business Daily, what would they know about workers benefits and tax cuts. Pardon me.



Considering this entire article was sourced by Americans for Tax Reform, it's 7 months old, and IBD has a right-wing bias, it's hard to take it seriously. I'm not saying that none of this is true, or at least it was at the time of publication. I'm simply pointing out that if the tax reform bill was wildly popular, I think we would've seen the GOP midterm campaign focus on it. But they didn't. It speaks volumes that they chose "invasion" over "look how much richer you are".
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February 5th, 2019 at 2:43:21 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Over-structure. It flowed too smoothly and
made too much sense.



LOL, you're good at this edification thing.
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February 5th, 2019 at 3:39:39 PM permalink
Investor's Business Digest, another right wing rag. Oh, my mistake.
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February 5th, 2019 at 3:49:36 PM permalink
Quote: jackmagic777

Investor's Business Digest, another right wing rag. Oh, my mistake.



From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor's_Business_Daily
"IBD takes a conservative political stance in its news and analysis."
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February 5th, 2019 at 3:56:27 PM permalink
In an effort to discredit the push for universal health care in 2009, they published an editorial about how Stephen Hawking would die if he lived in the U.K. because the NHS would consider his life worthless because of his handicaps.

The only problem? Stephen Hawking lived in the UK. #journalism101

To my knowledge, they did not issue a retraction. That, jackmagic, is the definition of #fakenews.

edit: They did issue a retraction but never acknowledged this.
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February 5th, 2019 at 4:17:10 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

That did happen. I believe one member called him that out loud. He was pretty roundly criticized and was reprimanded by the House. I wish he would have been censured; then he would have had to stand in the well while the resolution of censure was read.

If someone in Congress does that tonight, I expect the appropriate leader to handle it with appropriate action.




Are you laying odds that it happens/doesn't happen?
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February 5th, 2019 at 4:23:38 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Are you laying odds that it happens/doesn't happen?


I doubt it happens.
Some conservatives are so filled with hate, they cant help themselves and have to heckle the President during the SOTU.
Really sad
Trump has given a SOTU. No heckles form the Dems
Last edited by: terapined on Feb 5, 2019
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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February 5th, 2019 at 11:20:25 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

In an effort to discredit the push for universal health care in 2009, they published an editorial about how Stephen Hawking would die if he lived in the U.K. because the NHS would consider his life worthless because of his handicaps.

The only problem? Stephen Hawking lived in the UK. #journalism101

To my knowledge, they did not issue a retraction. That, jackmagic, is the definition of #fakenews.

edit: They did issue a retraction but never acknowledged this.



This is pathetic. Fake news stories on both sides make me sick. Is reporting the damn truth too much to ask?
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February 6th, 2019 at 3:34:44 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

This is pathetic. Fake news stories on both sides make me sick. Is reporting the damn truth too much to ask?



Hawking might not have received that life extending care if he was an average citizen.

Royal College urges equal treatment for the elderly

Sentenced to Death

Denying care due to rationing

Overwhelmed
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February 6th, 2019 at 4:52:47 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I doubt it happens.
Some conservatives are so filled with hate, they cant help themselves and have to heckle the President during the SOTU.
Really sad
Trump has given a SOTU. No heckles form the Dems



Oh, my! One guy does something stupid and you make the implication that it is "some"...a bit of a stretch there, don't you think?
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February 6th, 2019 at 9:11:15 AM permalink
Just don't make him remind us how unbiased he is again ;)
100% risk of ruin
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February 6th, 2019 at 9:23:52 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Hawking might not have received that life extending care if he was an average citizen.

Royal College urges equal treatment for the elderly

Sentenced to Death

Denying care due to rationing

Overwhelmed



But the article as published was a LIE. They weren't talking about what would happen to the average person with ALS in the UK. They wrote this instead.

As the Obama administration sought to reform the US healthcare system in 2009, the US Investor’s Business Daily argued that Stephen Hawking “wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless”.

They argued the NHS would screw over Stephen Hawking himself, NOT the average person with ALS. You may be right about the average person and the NHS vs. healthcare here, i just expect the average American will be saddled with a ton of bills toward their "better" care of ALS. But this doesn't excuse the fact that they LIED in the article they wrote to spin their point the way they wanted to.
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February 6th, 2019 at 9:53:26 AM permalink
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BREAKING: The House Intelligence Committee just voted to release all witness transcripts from our Russia investigation to the Department of Justice and Special Counsel Mueller.



Thoughts and prayers to Don Jr.!
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
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February 6th, 2019 at 10:44:31 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Thoughts and prayers to Don Jr.!



Why. It just means he did nothing he
can be prosecuted for and it's a
last ditch effort for sensationalism.

If he'd done something wrong they'd
be prosecuting, not releasing evidence.
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February 6th, 2019 at 11:01:46 AM permalink
The Presidency Trump Could Have Had
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February 6th, 2019 at 11:10:54 AM permalink
Geez, Virginia's leadership is taking some hits. Looks like three of them are now embroiled in controversy. Is the next one in line after that a Republican? At this point, I wonder what that person might have done!

Controversy doesn't stay in one party...
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February 6th, 2019 at 11:17:31 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why. It just means he did nothing he
can be prosecuted for and it's a
last ditch effort for sensationalism.

If he'd done something wrong they'd
be prosecuting, not releasing evidence.



I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. This sworn testimony of Don Jr's and other witnesses has been suppressed and withheld under Nunez and the Republicans. It's hard to compare other sources and Intel with those statements if you're not allowed to see them.

It seems to be common knowledge that Don Jr. lied to Congress under oath (a felony), but Mueller doesn't go forward on heresay. With transcripts,.they can compare line by line with facts. So the fish fry is yet to come.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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February 6th, 2019 at 11:47:13 AM permalink
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I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. .



So releasing sealed evidence to the
public is how prosecutors work now?
Yeah, I don't think so. If they had anything,
they would indict first and release
crucial evidence as they went along.
That's how this works.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 6th, 2019 at 12:09:51 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So releasing sealed evidence to the
public is how prosecutors work now?
Yeah, I don't think so. If they had anything,
they would indict first and release
crucial evidence as they went along.
That's how this works.




releasing sealed evidence to the public? WTF are you talking about? Never mind. I don't really care. Carry on.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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February 6th, 2019 at 12:15:19 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

but Mueller doesn't go forward on heresay.



Speaking of Mueller, Rush said something
interesting yesterday. He's heard from so
many inside sources that Mueller long ago
turned over the investigation to Weisman,
that he's starting to believe it. After Mueller
realized there was no 'there' there, he got
bored and handed off the ball.

It wasn't a story Rush did, it was just an
interesting aside at the end of a segment.
But for Rush to even mention it means
there's probably a lot of the truth there.
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February 6th, 2019 at 12:25:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why. It just means he did nothing he
can be prosecuted for and it's a
last ditch effort for sensationalism.



Because Don Jr. lied to Congress, and the GOP refused to send the transcripts of his testimony to Mueller. Today that changed. Thanks, Dems.
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February 6th, 2019 at 12:26:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


But for Rush to even mention it means
there's probably a lot of the truth there.



This Rush Limbaugh?

EB, I thank you so much for the everyday chuckles you provide this board. Your comedic delivery and timing is off the charts!
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February 6th, 2019 at 12:28:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Speaking of Mueller, Rush said something
interesting yesterday. He's heard from so
many inside sources that Mueller long ago
turned over the investigation to Weisman,
that he's starting to believe it. After Mueller
realized there was no 'there' there, he got
bored and handed off the ball.

It wasn't a story Rush did, it was just an
interesting aside at the end of a segment.
But for Rush to even mention it means
there's probably a lot of the truth there.



If Rush talked about it, it must be true. Very true. Truer than true. Now, if only Rudy will confirm it, we can close up the investigation. Eazy Peazy.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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February 6th, 2019 at 1:11:26 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If Rush talked about it, it must be true. Very true. Truer than true.



I keep forgetting that Rush has had
the number one radio show for
30 years because he lies so much.
And his cretin listeners have never
caught on. Shhhh, they're such
idiots. lol
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February 6th, 2019 at 1:17:04 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I keep forgetting that Rush has had
the number one radio show for
30 years because he lies so much.
And his cretin listeners have never
caught on. Shhhh, they're such
idiots. lol



This all checks out.
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February 6th, 2019 at 1:18:30 PM permalink
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Because Don Jr. lied to Congress, and the GOP refused to send the transcripts of his testimony to Mueller. Today that changed. Thanks, Dems.



I read up on this a bit after someone declared it as fact. The statements that some Dems involved made at the time seemed to stop shy of saying the knew he lied some "thought that he may have lied"...While I am sure Schiff is happy to get the information to the prosecutor, gloating may not be in order quite yet.
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February 6th, 2019 at 1:23:07 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I read up on this a bit after someone declared it as fact. The statements that some Dems involved made at the time seemed to stop shy of saying the knew he lied some "thought that he may have lied"...While I am sure Schiff is happy to get the information to the prosecutor, gloating may not be in order quite yet.




That was before they had the proof they needed. Expect Junior to be indicted shortly.
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February 6th, 2019 at 1:42:35 PM permalink
Imagine how this played across America.
The Dem women in white applauding
and going nuts after Trump said something.
Big mistake on their part.

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February 6th, 2019 at 1:52:24 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

That was before they had the proof they needed. Expect Junior to be indicted shortly.



No, I am talking about Dems who were in the hearing where the ones that they thought he might have lied. That is what you folks doing your touchdown dance are missing so far--they were not even sure in the committee that he had lied to the committee. If they are not sure, then Mueller isn't sure. He has to see the evidence and decide from there.

Maybe you'll get to do your dance, but not quite yet.
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February 6th, 2019 at 2:18:04 PM permalink
How were they supposed to know for sure he was lying until they got him on record telling his version. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. They got him on the record and now they give the transcript to the SC so he can determine if what was said is supported by facts. The Republican lead committee refused to turn over the transcripts in order to prevent this from happening.
I don't do touchdown dances. As my 9th grade coach told me ,oh so many years ago, when you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before and plan on returning real soon. I might just do one when Sr is locked up.
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February 6th, 2019 at 2:30:27 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

How were they supposed to know for sure he was lying until they got him on record telling his version. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. They got him on the record and now they give the transcript to the SC so he can determine if what was said is supported by facts. The Republican lead committee refused to turn over the transcripts in order to prevent this from happening.
I don't do touchdown dances. As my 9th grade coach told me ,oh so many years ago, when you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before and plan on returning real soon. I might just do one when Sr is locked up.



People are celebrating because the records are being turned over.

Records being turned over is information that could prove something happened.

That's all...
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February 6th, 2019 at 2:50:32 PM permalink
The number of arrests by the Border Patrol is the lowest since the early 1970s, while the number of agents has more than doubled.
Over 1.6 million arrests were made by just about 9,200 agents nationwide in the 2000. But those figures tapered off as the government dramatically increased staffing and resources like more surveillance technology and tall, steel fencing.
By last fiscal year, about 19,000 Border Patrol agents made 310,000 arrests.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-city-officials-decry-razor-183702649.html



It's a crisis. Yep. A crisis. Trump talked about El Paso last night. What he didn't mention is that El Paso was selected as one of the safest cities in America the year before the fencing was put in. Quite a few factors were involved with cleaning up El Paso. The fence wasn't one of them as crime decreased for almost a decade before the fence was installed.

Today, in Tejas, the gubermint started building a wall in the middle of a butterfly sanctuary. It's also building the wall through the middle of a historic Catholic cemetery and when it is finished will leave a historic Catholic Church on the wrong side of the fence, cut off from it's parishioners. Luckily for them, the wall is only a few miles long so all it really does is cause them a detour.
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February 6th, 2019 at 2:56:41 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

People are celebrating because the records are being turned over.



If there is any celebration going on, it's because we have elected legislators that are actually doing their job.
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February 6th, 2019 at 3:32:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So releasing sealed evidence to the
public is how prosecutors work now?
Yeah, I don't think so. If they had anything,
they would indict first and release
crucial evidence as they went along.
That's how this works.



They don't know what they have. That's the point. It's been suppressed /withheld from Mueller until now.

Releasing requested information from a closed congressional hearing to a special prosecutor is very different from releasing it to the public. But, in the end, it is public information and will come out eventually.
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