Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: EvenBobIt's not Trump, it's what he represents.
He's an outsider, he's an interloper,
he's not supposed to be there.
They decided that Hillary would be
the next president in 2009. They made
her SoS, got rid of any real opponents,
made sure the media was in the loop.
It was all planned out to never have
another Repub president for 30 years,
if ever.
Even the pollsters were in on the fix.
It was the perfect storm, and Trump
was in the right place at the right time.
They don't hate Trump, they hate he
ruined their big plans for a socialist
utopia. Every day he's in office the more
that slips away. If RGB dies or the other
justices remove her (it's been done before)
they're really screwed.
No, no, it IS Trump. He's the dirty monkey in the center ring of their circus. But it's the Dewey Cheatum and Howe Circus, with dark money, corrupt legislation, and outright thievery constantly eroding this country.
You know why the Republicans don't stop or criticize Trump? Because he sucks all the oxygen and light out of the entire system. His crap is so egregious, his lies so huge, and his skill at being offensive so useful, that they're pulling stuff that would be front page headlines if we had an effective or functional or even sane president. Even if something they're doing makes the news, it's out of broadcast and discussion within hours, not even a day.
We will not know the full damage they've done for a decade or more, and some of it is unfixable . But there are dozens if not hundreds of ways people are being made poorer, less free, and this country less valuable in terms of assets just since the 2016 election.
Quote: SOOPOOI consider it a non story if a porn actress sleeps with someone to enhance her career.
I consider it a big story if a politician sleeps with someone to enhance her career, ESPECIALLY when the person she is sleeping with will give her jobs assuming her 'performance' was good enough. I think the Dems will be smart enough to nominate someone without this baggage.
I’m not a huge Kampala Harris fan. I’m not sure which primary I am voting in yet, but it’s very unlikely she will get my vote.
But conservatives kicked and screamed that Donald Trump’s personal life should be completely off the table when judging him as a politician. They said his numerous failed marriages and affairs are a non-issue when it comes down to leading the country.
Yet now they want to wipe the floor Kamala Harris for her affair. Surely you see the hypocrisy in that, no?
Quote: gamerfreakI’m not a huge Kampala Harris fan. I’m not sure which primary I am voting in yet, but it’s very unlikely she will get my vote.
But conservatives kicked and screamed that Donald Trump’s personal life should be completely off the table when judging him as a politician. They said his numerous failed marriages and affairs are a non-issue when it comes down to leading the country.
Yet now they want to wipe the floor Kamala Harris for her affair. Clearly you see the hypocrisy in that, no?
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump is sleazy, but no one EVER accused him of sleeping with someone to advance his political career, or to procure a public job. That is what Kamala (not Kampala, the Ugandan Capital) is being accused of. There is ZERO hypocrisy at coming after Kamala for this while ignoring sleazy Donald.
As I've said, there are SO MANY things to come after Trump on. but his sexual proclivities were not done to climb the ladder.
Quote: SOOPOOABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump is sleazy, but no one EVER accused him of sleeping with someone to advance his political career, or to procure a public job. That is what Kamala (not Kampala, the Ugandan Capital) is being accused of. There is ZERO hypocrisy at coming after Kamala for this while ignoring sleazy Donald.
As I've said, there are SO MANY things to come after Trump on. but his sexual proclivities were not done to climb the ladder.
Of course they were. Marla Maples was a trophy wife. Melania even more so. Porn star nailing is a trophy. Playboy centerfold is another. Any woman who is lusted after by many men is a woman to be thrown into other people's faces as a power move.
Trump's image (in his own mind, and the minds of many who admire him, God knows why), judge him and their willingness to do business with or invest with him, those depend almost entirely on his image as projected. Falsely successful, falsely attractive to beautiful women, falsely rich, people who buy into that image and the con job require a young and enviable woman companion.
If Kamala Harris is guilty of calculation rather than simply attraction, who can say but her. But if she did, it's the same calculation Trump has made many times, and bragged about making many times, so I can't imagine why you would excuse him from that motivation.
Let me tell you something you may not know. Power is a really strong aphrodisiac for women. Like, the strongest one for me personally, and a lot of women. Psychologically, it's partly a daddy thing, partly a strongest male will give offspring the best chance of succeeding, partly a self-image. Men select for youth and beauty on that level. Women select for power. It all goes back to caveman days, and I think it's mostly subconscious.
Quote: EvenBobpaychecks went up an average
of 3% for the third month in a row.
I read that average hourly earnings have increased 85 cents, 3.2%, over the last 12 months. And when the 1.9% inflation rate is taken into account, workers' wages have grown 1.3%.
It's not subconscious so much as it is denial . Who likes to admit it ?Quote: beachbumbabsLet me tell you something you may not know. Power is a really strong aphrodisiac for women. Like, the strongest one for me personally, and a lot of women. Psychologically, it's partly a daddy thing, partly a strongest male will give offspring the best chance of succeeding, partly a self-image. Men select for youth and beauty on that level. Women select for power. It all goes back to caveman days, and I think it's mostly subconscious.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/201610/briffaults-law-women-rule
All mammals are extremely similar, we lie about it to different degrees.
Sometimes the truth hurts, but it's always about the money.
Quote: SOOPOOABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump is sleazy, but no one EVER accused him of sleeping with someone to advance his political career, or to procure a public job. That is what Kamala (not Kampala, the Ugandan Capital) is being accused of. There is ZERO hypocrisy at coming after Kamala for this while ignoring sleazy Donald.
As I've said, there are SO MANY things to come after Trump on. but his sexual proclivities were not done to climb the ladder.
That is some fine circular reasoning.
You are making a morality argument.
Using sex to advance one’s career is unquestionably immoral. No argument there.
What is even more disgusting and immoral is adultry. In fact it’s illegal in many jurisdictions. And Donald Trump had affairs outside his marriage several times.
The behavior in both situations is disgusting, immoral, and wrong. We should hold our elected officials to a much higher standard.
Moving the goalposts of what is and isn’t acceptable behavior based completely on political affiliation is blatant hypocrisy.
Quote: beachbumbabsLet me tell you something you may not know. Power is a really strong aphrodisiac for women. Like, the strongest one for me personally, and a lot of women. Psychologically, it's partly a daddy thing, partly a strongest male will give offspring the best chance of succeeding, partly a self-image. Men select for youth and beauty on that level. Women select for power. It all goes back to caveman days, and I think it's mostly subconscious.
While I am sure that there’s a few people here who are going to trash you for this comment, I really respect that you are willing to admit to this.
Not that it’s unusual or wrong, but very few people have the balls to own up to some of the more uncomfortable realities of human psyche.
Quote: beachbumbabsOf course they were. Marla Maples was a trophy wife. Melania even more so. Porn star nailing is a trophy. Playboy centerfold is another. Any woman who is lusted after by many men is a woman to be thrown into other people's faces as a power move.
Trump's image (in his own mind, and the minds of many who admire him, God knows why), judge him and their willingness to do business with or invest with him, those depend almost entirely on his image as projected. Falsely successful, falsely attractive to beautiful women, falsely rich, people who buy into that image and the con job require a young and enviable woman companion.
If Kamala Harris is guilty of calculation rather than simply attraction, who can say but her. But if she did, it's the same calculation Trump has made many times, and bragged about making many times, so I can't imagine why you would excuse him from that motivation.
Let me tell you something you may not know. Power is a really strong aphrodisiac for women. Like, the strongest one for me personally, and a lot of women. Psychologically, it's partly a daddy thing, partly a strongest male will give offspring the best chance of succeeding, partly a self-image. Men select for youth and beauty on that level. Women select for power. It all goes back to caveman days, and I think it's mostly subconscious.
So, those actresses that sucked off or slept with Harvey Weinstein to land a role in a major motion picture were not victims at all - they were calculating -- they did what they did to advance their position in their chosen career -- I agree with you Babs
Quote: gamerfreakWhat is even more disgusting and immoral is adultry. In fact it’s illegal in many jurisdictions.
Many laws are on the books that are never prosecuted (including adultery)
For example: https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/weird-state-laws#
Quote: aceofspadesMany laws are on the books that are never prosecuted (including adultery)
For example: https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/weird-state-laws#
Prosecuted criminally, no.
But are you saying that the issue of adultry does not frequently come up in civil court?
You’re a divorce lawyer, right?
Quote: gamerfreakProsecuted criminally, no.
But are you saying that the issue of adultry does not frequently come up in civil court?
You’re a divorce lawyer, right?
Adultery has no impact on divorces - every state now has no fault divorce and nobody is awarded any extra money/assets merely because the other spouse cheated - adultery is a non-issue in divorces - all it is these days is gossip and tabloid fodder
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, no, it IS Trump.
I would buy this if all the vitriol
started after he took office. It
didn't, it started the day he came
down the escalator. We heard
the hatred and screaming right
up to election day. He was the
monkey wrench in the well oiled
well planned Hillary machine, he
wasn't supposed to be there.
Quote: aceofspadesAdultery has no impact on divorces - every state now has no fault divorce and nobody is awarded any extra money/assets merely because the other spouse cheated - adultery is a non-issue in divorces - all it is these days is gossip and tabloid fodder
Thanks for the correction, that is news to me.
Somewhat unrelated question, why does it seem that women are disproportionately awarded assets/alimony in divorces?
Quote: gamerfreakUsing sex to advance one’s career is unquestionably immoral. No argument there.
Unless you're Kreepy Kamala, then
it's perfectly fine.
I think of them as entrepreneurs.Quote: aceofspadesSo, those actresses that sucked off or slept with Harvey Weinstein to land a role in a major motion picture were not victims at all - they were calculating -- they did what they did to advance their position in their chosen career -- I agree with you Babs
How anyone can act surprised ?
Quote: EvenBobUnless you're Kreepy Kamala, then
it's perfectly fine.
It's well known that Marilyn Monroe screwed
and sucked her way into major movie parts.
To the point that she advised young starlets
that it was the only path for women in the
business. It started way back in the silent
movie era.
Quote: gamerfreakQuote: aceofspadesAdultery has no impact on divorces - every state now has no fault divorce and nobody is awarded any extra money/assets merely because the other spouse cheated - adultery is a non-issue in divorces - all it is these days is gossip and tabloid fodder
Thanks for the correction, that is news to me.
Somewhat unrelated question, why does it seem that women are disproportionately awarded assets/alimony in divorces?
I would say 99% of divorces settle without going to trial so they are rarely awarded anything that isn't agreed to
In settlements, if women get more, it is usually because the men become so browbeaten by the litigation process that they just give in and basically figure they can start fresh and build it all back up again
I have obtained child custody and child support for clients so, women do not always get their way if the man actually can withstand the nonsense that is litigation
Additionally, most women get exclusive use and occupancy of the marital residence during a divorce because, with a wink and a nod, they run and get an order of protection, claiming the man is abusive and, once that bell is rung, it is hard to un-ring -- I know plenty of divorce attorneys that advise their female clients to run to family court and get an order of protection immediately (regardless if the guy even raised his voice to her during their entire relationship) just to get the husband out of the marital residence -- the wife is now in the marital residence with the kids and the husband becomes a pariah - having to not only maintain the carrying charges on the marital residence he is no longer allowed in but, will now have to find his own living space with whatever money is left over after paying the marital residence carrying charges plus child support
Most men give up
Quote: petroglyphI think of them as entrepreneurs.
How anyone can act surprised ?
Agreed - but then don't turn around 20 years later, after you have gained the fame and fortune, and claim you were sexually assaulted
Quote: aceofspadesI know plenty of divorce attorneys that advise their female clients to run to family court and get an order of protection immediately
Another reason I live in my own
house. Her name is nowhere
connected to it. I figured that out
a long time ago.
I think he resigns before The Big Game.
Quote: NathanI'm not going to lie, I find it interesting that Trump has been our President for 2 whole years! I remember posters on the internet claiming he would be impeached in less than a year. I wonder what those posters who claimed he would be impeached before he even made it one year are thinking on February 1,2019 about him and what they predicted.
The same thing they think about regarding all the other things they are wrong about. ;)
Quote: billryanDoes the Virgina Governor last the weekend? He's got a whole lot of splaining to do. Pour some cheese on him and have some Welsh rarebit.
I think he resigns before The Big Game.
The Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act. They might make bronze statues of the Governor and put one on every corner.
Quote: MaxPenThe Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act. They might make bronze statues of the Governor and put one on every corner.
And many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.
Quote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Got any names?
Democrats today are generally more racist than Democrats "as far as I can tell."Quote: tringlomaneRepublicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
From a poster who had no problem accusing Justice Kavanaugh in an even older and basically unsubstantiated case, "It's pretty clear to me he's willing to lie under oath."Quote: tringlomaneAs for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/virginia-dem-senators-mark-warner-and-tim-kaine-support-gov-northam-after-blackface-kkk-yearbook-photo-surfaces/
Quote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
Quote: RSQuote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.Emphasis mine.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
If i get suspended for stating that the average Republican today seems to be more racist IN MY OPINION than the average Democrat, then this forum has lost another long time poster. I'm not attacking ANY individual on this forum.
And also the study is a bit dated, but those at Fivethirtyeight seem to believe White Republicans are slightly more negative toward blacks than White Democrats from '90-'12.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
Quote: RSQuote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.Emphasis mine.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
Wow. You’re really grasping at straws there.
Campaigning for someone to get banned for saying “republicans are racist.” Soon we won’t be allowed to say “water is wet.”
Quote: RSQuote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.Emphasis mine.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
Its true.
I will take a shot at it
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
The statement is not saying every republican is a racist as opposed to Boz calling everybody on the Left traitors
but
This is a Vegas board and we are big on odds so let me put it in an odds perspective
If I meet a racist, odds are he would be a republican.
Could he be a dem. Of Course. But if I was betting, I would bet republican
How would you bet RS? lol
Quote: ams288Quote: RSQuote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.Emphasis mine.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
Wow. You’re really grasping at straws there.
Campaigning for someone to get banned for saying “republicans are racist.” Soon we won’t be allowed to say “water is wet.”
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/32266-an-ap-nightmare/24/#post694378
Quote: WizardI'll let that go, since he didn't say who is retarded. However, if he stated a certain group of people, like Trump/Clinton voters, were retarded, then he would be.
I don't want to see tringlomane suspended for making a mistake, even if it means he'd quit posting here forever (I think that almost happened a few months ago, too). If I wanted him suspended, I would have messaged a moderator and let them decide. I haven't done that, nor will I. I would just like to be able to discuss politics civilly.
Bonus:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/904/#post692987
Quote: WizardYes.
Edit: In my interpretation, if using the term "libtard" is against rule #18, then so would calling republicans racist.
<guy raising hands up in air emoji>
Quote: RSI would just like to be able to discuss politics civilly.
Yeah, no.
Your gaslighting is not working.
Quote: RSAll I said is I’m accusing them of sexual assault and according to retarded liberal logic, that should be good enough.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/792/#post682948
Quote: RSThat's just straight up retarded.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/859/#post689657
Thanks for the laugh, though!
Quote: gamerfreak
The behavior in both situations is disgusting, immoral, and wrong. We should hold our elected officials to a much higher standard.
Moving the goalposts of what is and isn’t acceptable behavior based completely on political affiliation is blatant hypocrisy.
I have NEVER said what Trump has done isn't disgusting, immoral, and wrong! Feel free to vote him out! But DO NOT vote in someone who you yourself just said "The behavior in both situations is disgusting, immoral, and wrong." As to be expected from (the majority) of the liberals/Democrats here, they have been silent on denouncing Harris yet vociferous in attacking Trump.
And we will have to agree to disagree on this point.... To me cheating on your wife because you are a sleaze is different from sleeping with a political boss so you can get him to give you a high paid public job.
Quote: tringlomane
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
That's because of how YOU define racist. If I ask you should a young Black man with slightly inferior credentials to a young White man get preferential treatment when applying to College XYZ, if you say yes, to me you are a racist. A Racist is someone who uses Race as a factor in evaluating a human being.
I would say the same for a store owner who would hire the young White man with slightly inferior credentials to the young Black man.
Both are Racists.
I think AZDuffman has said something like this a hundred times here....
Well, for my two cents, the comment was acceptable. It would have been equally acceptable in the other direction.Quote: RSQuote: tringlomaneAnd many of those Democrats became Republican after the civil rights movement...
Republicans today are generally more racist than Democrats as far as I can tell.
As for this governor, since he's not teflon Trump, he might be screwed. The fact this was published in an 80s yearbook is pretty amazing to me. America has sure loved to put down black people even decades after MLK.Emphasis mine.
Don’t the new rules or the mods’ interpretations of the rules go against this kind of writing?
However, AIUI, Wizard's view might differ to mine and he outranks me. So let's all continue to show restraint.
Quote: SOOPOOThat's because of how YOU define racist. If I ask you should a young Black man with slightly inferior credentials to a young White man get preferential treatment when applying to College XYZ, if you say yes, to me you are a racist. A Racist is someone who uses Race as a factor in evaluating a human being.
I would say the same for a store owner who would hire the young White man with slightly inferior credentials to the young Black man.
Both are Racists.
I think AZDuffman has said something like this a hundred times here....
Amazingly, I don't think he sees the irony of this.
Now he's saying he isn't in the pic? Yeah right. Now I want him gone too. You don't "flip-flop" on an issue like this. You KNOW if you were in it or not.
Quote: tringlomanehttps://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/02/politics/northam-racist-yearbook-photo/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Now he's saying he isn't in the pic? Yeah right. Now I want him gone too. You don't "flip-flop" on an issue like this. You KNOW if you were in it or not.
I want him gone, too. But I do not think he should be removed from office as the duly elected Governor. I do believe, kind of like Trump, he should be removed from office at the next election, assuming he is foolish enough to run again. By the people voting him out of office. If he chooses to resign that would be fine too.
Quote: SOOPOOA Racist is someone who uses Race as a factor in evaluating a human being.
I would say the same for a store owner who would hire the young White man with slightly inferior credentials to the young Black man..
I would hire the white kid every time.
The black kid might be great, but I
guarantee he has siblings or cousins
who are crooks and you never know
what you're getting into. If I owned a
factory, that would be different. But
a small store is totally different.
Racist? Nope, just personal experience.
I hired black cab drivers, but they are
contractors, nothing to steal but their
own money.
Quote: EvenBobI would hire the white kid every time.
The black kid might be great, but I
guarantee he has siblings or cousins
who are crooks and you never know
what you're getting into. If I owned a
factory, that would be different. But
a small store is totally different.
Racist? Nope, just personal experience.
I hired black cab drivers, but they are
contractors, nothing to steal but their
own money.
Bob, I just got back from Wegman's. The kid checking me out was a well groomed, polite, efficient young African American boy. You didn't want Wegman's to hire him because you "guarantee he has siblings or cousins who are crooks'??? In your world, how big does the store have to be to safely hire Black people? I'll take the ban if the mods want to, but your above post to me is the definition of racism.
Quote: EvenBobI would hire the white kid every time.
The black kid might be great, but I
guarantee he has siblings or cousins
who are crooks and you never know
what you're getting into. If I owned a
factory, that would be different. But
a small store is totally different.
Racist? Nope, just personal experience.
I hired black cab drivers, but they are
contractors, nothing to steal but their
own money.
This is shocking.
Quote: EvenBobI would hire the white kid every time. The black kid might be great, but I guarantee he has siblings or cousins who are crooks and you never know what you're getting into. If I owned a factory, that would be different. But a small store is totally different.
Racist? Nope, just personal experience. I hired black cab drivers, but they are contractors, nothing to steal but their own money.
To not hire someone simply because they are black is absolutely racism. To claim that it is complete dishonesty and blindness. This is also without any question a personal attack against people here
Because the title of this thread is about Trump, I'll add that so long as people have these views and follow through on them, he is failing in his promise to Make America Great Again. These views go against virtually every American value you can think of.
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A better question than asking which political party has more racists, is asking which party a racist is more likely to align themselves with? Probably hard to get an honest answer from anyone, because everyone will simply say it is the other side. The civil rights movement did a great job of taking racism out of politics, but nothing has been able to take racism out of every other places. And there are so many comments at wizardofvegas that prove that to be true.
Quote: EvenBobThe black kid might be great, but I
guarantee he has siblings or cousins
who are crooks and you never know
what you're getting into.
No need to label this as anything. It speaks for itself.
Quote: MaxPenI like how a Democrat governor was caught in black face standing next to a person in a white hood and all the Libs here come out claiming Republicans are the most racist. You can't make this stuff up.
Nope it’s racist AF and he should resign.
