Trump's Second and Third year in office
Boring, pointless speech. Just trying to convince the rubes that there’s a crisis at the border and demonize immigrants.
Dems shouldn’t give an inch.
Wow. Former Senator Santorum just acknowledged that he now sees some evidence of collusion.
The base loved it, the left hated it and it did not convince the center
If the House race 2 months ago were held tomorrow, same result
I thought bringing up those individual horrible crimes was absurd, petty and a dog whistle.
Its a desperation move.
Yea there is a huge drug problem bordering on a national crisis, its opioids.
Its really bad
Are the bets being paid yet?Quote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
That is the first Trump speech I have ever watched. Then I saw some democrat spokesperson come on and say what Trump said, and it wasn't what I had just watched.
Are wov members going to point out the lies?
I don't want the wall personally because it's ugly and interferes with animal migration, and the effect desired can easily be accomplished by jailing a few employers and not giving entitlements to illegals.
Ron Paul gave his excellent viewpoint on the topic earlier. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/08/former-us-rep-ron-paul-border-wall-unnecessary-if-us-ends-incentives.html?__source=cnbcembedplayer
Quote: petroglyphAre the bets being paid yet?Quote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
That is the first Trump speech I have ever watched. Then I saw some democrat spokesperson come on and say what Trump said, and it wasn't what I had just watched.
Are wov members going to point out the lies?
I don't want the wall personally because it's ugly and interferes with animal migration, and the effect desired can easily be accomplished by jailing a few employers and not giving entitlements to illegals.
Ron Paul gave his excellent viewpoint on the topic earlier. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/08/former-us-rep-ron-paul-border-wall-unnecessary-if-us-ends-incentives.html?__source=cnbcembedplayer
Emphasis mine.
Isn’t that kinda the point of the wall, though?
Almost all immigrants become illegals by overstaying their visas. Almost all immigrants who become illegals enter legally at recognized points of entry. Most immigrants are peaceful -- the only law they have violated is civil immigration law. Their violent crime rates are no higher than the general public.
Smart people recognize this. Statistics show that border crossings are down dramatically from the year 2000 when it peaked at 1,643,679 southwest border apprehensions compared to 518,000 last fiscal year. And in the first six months of FY18 only 6 of them were foreign nationals on a terrorism watch list.
There is a humanitarian crisis at the border but it can be solved by processing asylum claims quickly and humanely and sending those who don't qualify back to their country of origin.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environment/2018/06/22/jaguar-roamed-arizona-mountains-feared-dead/726804002/Quote: RSQuote: petroglyphAre the bets being paid yet?Quote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
That is the first Trump speech I have ever watched. Then I saw some democrat spokesperson come on and say what Trump said, and it wasn't what I had just watched.
Are wov members going to point out the lies?
I don't want the wall personally because it's ugly and interferes with animal migration, and the effect desired can easily be accomplished by jailing a few employers and not giving entitlements to illegals.
Ron Paul gave his excellent viewpoint on the topic earlier. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/08/former-us-rep-ron-paul-border-wall-unnecessary-if-us-ends-incentives.html?__source=cnbcembedplayer
Emphasis mine.
Isn’t that kinda the point of the wall, though?
Quote: petroglyph....and the effect desired can easily be accomplished by jailing a few employers and not giving entitlements to illegals.
Not a chance.
The corporations own Congress.
As for entitlements, NYC is going to provide free medical care to anyone who can not afford it, including illegals. They estimate it will cost $100 million to provide care for 600,000 people. That’s $166 per person.
Our esteemed leaders figured out a way to reduce the costs by $10,000 per person.
Expecting every illegal in the world to beat a path to NYC.
Quote: TankoExpecting every illegal in the world to beat a path to NYC.
Just like Melania did!
Quote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
what was the outcome of this wager? I am not versed well enough to know when he tells a lie. I just assume everything is.
Isn't there a joke, something like. How do you know a lawyer is lying? Because his mouth is open. something like that.
Quote: Tanko
Expecting every illegal in the world to beat a path to NYC.
Not a chance.
I live in Florida.
Right now, its just the opposite, New Yorkers are currently beating a path to FL.
Gets very crowded down here in the winter
Quote: terapinedNot a chance.
I live in Florida.
Right now, its just the opposite, New Yorkers are currently beating a path to FL.
Gets very crowded down here in the winter
But you are talking about individuals with assets many of whom have 2 homes. He was talking about illegals and other lower income people who will flock for free HC. I personally don’t see it happening due to the high cost of living in NY.
And yes, the roads are packed with people who can’t drive and it takes 30 minutes to just get over the causeway into Clearwater Beach.
Quote: BozBut you are talking about individuals with assets many of whom have 2 homes.
?????
I don't think you really get Florida
Seems like all the sketchy people end up in Florida
Lots of crime and homelessness in Florida
People come to Florida regardless of income
If you were homeless, which state would you be most comfortable, cold NY or warm FL
If you are stealing cars for a living, would you rather steal in cold weather or warm weather
Quote: GWAEwhat was the outcome of this wager?
I don't know. I checked the BookMaker web site, but it didn't say, that I could find. Their phone number is 1-888-218-4629 if anyone wants to ask.
Quote: terapined?????
I don't think you really get Florida
Seems like all the sketchy people end up in Florida
Lots of crime and homelessness in Florida
People come to Florida regardless of income
If you were homeless, which state would you be most comfortable, cold NY or warm FL
If you are stealing cars for a living, would you rather steal in cold weather or warm weather
I don’t disagree, just visit New Port/Port Richey. But I’m not so sure they are all coming from NY. And I thought you were talking about the crowds in Winter. I don’t think the criminals are snowbirds, but yes Florida is attracting more than their fair share.
Does it count misrepresentations? Word games?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/fact-check-trumps-speech-on-the-border-crisis-1069539
for example
"Sen. Chuck Schumer, who you will be hearing from later tonight, has repeatedly supported a physical barrier in the past, along with many other Democrats. They changed their mind only after I was elected president."
The first sentence may be strictly true, in that he may have supported "a physical barrier" - but that does not equate with support for a 5 billion / 25 billion dollar wall. Same thing with changing your mind - did they support a wall of the scale that trump is proposing? I don't think so.
He campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall
Goes on live TV last night for a money beg of my tax dollars
What a clown
Chuck and Nancy were just as bad, maybe even worse. It's as if they were prepared to refute Donny calling a national emergency and had to pull an audio at the line of scrimmage.
Not a stellar night for all involved. I missed Pence treating us to his loving grin.
Quote: billryanI've never noticed Donny wearing a striped tie since he started campaigning. That's the first thing I noticed that seemed off. He seemed out of sorts, like he didn't want to be there. Someone compared it to a hostage video.
Chuck and Nancy were just as bad, maybe even worse. It's as if they were prepared to refute Donny calling a national emergency and had to pull an audio at the line of scrimmage.
Not a stellar night for all involved. I missed Pence treating us to his loving grin.
Donny evidently liked the tie so much he slept in it.
Quote: billryanTrumps son just compared the border wall to the ones at a zoo keeping in the animals. A subject I suspect he will soon have first hand knowledge of.
If they it now he just gets a pardon. Can trump do a pre pardon that way when he is out no one can come after him?
Some negotiator. How embarrassing.
Quote: @LisaDNewsSCHUMER: The president slammed the table, asked Speaker Pelosi if she would support his wall and when she said no, he walked out and said "we have nothing to talk about".
lol
Quote: KeyserPassports work in place of driver's licenses. It's still funny to think that some lefties won't be able to fly though simply because they don't have a passport.
Only about a third of Americans posses a valid passport. Are you suggesting two thirds of Americans are "lefties'?
Quote: billryanTrumps son just compared the border wall to the ones at a zoo keeping in the animals. A subject I suspect he will soon have first hand knowledge of.
RS should sue him for plagiarism.
Quote: GWAEQuote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
what was the outcome of this wager? I am not versed well enough to know when he tells a lie. I just assume everything is.
Isn't there a joke, something like. How do you know a lawyer is lying? Because his mouth is open. something like that.
They paid the over
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/betting-wins-trump-speech-lies-gambling
net loss of about 276k for Bookmaker
Quote: beachbumbabsTrump walked into the meeting just now, sat down and made a couple remarks, said to Pelosi, "Do I get my wall?" She said, "No." He got up and left, saying, "This is a waste of my time."
Some negotiator. How embarrassing.
You are so incorrect, that is not how it was reported.
Please tell me what the democrats offered in negotiating?
Quote: Dalex64They paid the over
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/betting-wins-trump-speech-lies-gambling
net loss of about 276k for Bookmaker
I'd say that was one of the worst over/under lines I've ever seen. The free publicity for Bookmaker might be worth the 276K though.
Quote: FleaswatterYou are so incorrect, that is not how it was reported.
BBB gave us the straight truth
Who cares what was reported. I certainly never listen to Fox news reporting.
I would rather have the truth then what a reporter reports
Quote: FleaswatterPlease tell me what the democrats offered in negotiating?
Why would they offer him anything for his stupid wall that Mexico is supposed to pay for? They have the high ground.
Quote: billryanSome twenty million Californians will be unable to fly commercially in the US after Jan. 22nd if the shutdown continues, as Homeland has stated there can be no further waivers during the shutdown. California's drivers licenses do not meet new Federal standards, and have been getting waivers.
So are you blaming the federal government because California is so incompetent that they cannot get their act together?
The "Real ID Act" was enacted on may 11, 2005 so the requirements were not a surprise.
Just because California cares more about illegal aliens, makes itself a sanctuary state, expends efforts to oppose President Trump whenever possible, etc etc etc, than taking care of it's residents, it is the Federal governments fault?
Just to be accurate, many Californians may not be able to fly because the California government failed to make "California Real ID's" compliant with federal regulations.
Additionally, if the California resident possesses a passport or other federally accepted ID, they can fly.
I have no sympathy for any person who may not be able to fly because they were too lazy to meet the Read ID requirements..
Quote: Fleaswatter
I have no sympathy for any person who may not be able to fly because they were too lazy to meet the Read ID requirements..
I have sympathy due how hard it was to renew my license.
I shouldn't have to argue and ask for a supervisor
The govt employees are incompetent. They wanted to prevent me from voting, flying and driving for 6 months as they researched my 60 year old documents from the US State Dept
How do I prove to the govt that I am an American citizen?
What particular document do you want me to provide
I have a ton of documents proving I am an American Citizen
I was born in the Republic of China and my birth was immediately reported to the US State Dept
What should I show?
What is acceptable proof for somebody like me that arrived in this country as an American Citizen and as an infant
Apparently he brought the wrong candy to the meeting. Some negotiator.
Quote: Dalex64Quote: GWAEQuote: WizardIn other news, BookMaker.eu is taking bets on the number of false statements in tonight's address to the nation by Trump. They opened with an over/under of 3.5. The over is now -320. Wish I had an account there, I'd take the over.
what was the outcome of this wager? I am not versed well enough to know when he tells a lie. I just assume everything is.
Isn't there a joke, something like. How do you know a lawyer is lying? Because his mouth is open. something like that.
They paid the over
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/betting-wins-trump-speech-lies-gambling
net loss of about 276k for Bookmaker
Called it at 6! Hah.
Quote: WizardI'd say that was one of the worst over/under lines I've ever seen. The free publicity for Bookmaker might be worth the 276K though.
I have to agree. The entire speech including lies and exaggerations was previewed all fall in Trump's rallies, and as recently as that morning by Pence on all the news channels. He got fact-checked a LOT during those, but I guess the book Didnt pay attention.
Quote: beachbumbabsCalled it at 6! Hah.
Math puzzle time!
If we assume the market is efficient and the final Bookmaker.eu lines were fair, then what is the mean number of lies Trump would tell? You may assume the fair lines are half way between the actual over and under, in other words you may assume the fair line on the under should have been +285.
Beer to the first correct answer with proper solution. Don is on a 24-hour hold from the time of this post, to give the rest of the forum a chance.
Trump tweet
" The Mainstream Media has NEVER been more dishonest than it is now. NBC and MSNBC are going Crazy. They report stories, purposely, the exact opposite of the facts. They are truly the Opposition Party working with the Dems. May even be worse than Fake News CNN, if that is possible!"
Trump is going nuts because he cant control the media
LOL
Quote: terapinedAre we now having a WH meltdown
Trump tweet
" The Mainstream Media has NEVER been more dishonest than it is now. NBC and MSNBC are going Crazy. They report stories, purposely, the exact opposite of the facts. They are truly the Opposition Party working with the Dems. May even be worse than Fake News CNN, if that is possible!"
Trump is going nuts because he cant control the media
LOL
I wonder what story he saw on NBC that set him off...
Talk about crazy
Trump
"I really believe this. Democrats don't care about crime"
"The buck stops with everybody"
Trump isn't Truman , that's for sure. Truman took responsibility. Trump blames everybody. lol
This is what it said on his campaign website:
Quote:"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5 (billion)- 10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year."
Repeat after me, MAGAholes:
"I got conned."
Quote: ams288Trump now says he never said Mexico would literally pay for the wall, as in write a check. (LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)
This is what it said on his campaign website:
Repeat after me, MAGAholes:
"I got conned."
Not here, still believe he is the best or 2nd best President of my lifetime. Still like what Clinton did to reduce welfare benefits and try to make the country more fiscally responsible.
Other than liberals acting like they are compassionate, it’s hard to find another Trump has done to hurt any of our citizens. It’s mostly political with the left having no idea how to deal with a guy who tells it like it is.
You can’t find one issue liberals are upset about that isn’t based on concerns about future elections, period.
I don’t like his spending but it seems neither party cares about that anymore and polls show most Americans don’t either.
That makes me a Proud MAGAhole. Feel free to use it as a negative, not sure why though. Compassionate people understand it’s a beautiful thing used as part of lovemaking in many totally normal relationships.
