Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: beachbumbabsYou were, in fact, derisive and sarcastic, claiming I was making paranoid posts and inferring i was rabble-rousing. It was quite insulting. I got over it, but you continue to be defensive about it and go on at ridiculous length about me reading a story from a usually-reliable source and bringing it here. Enough.
Quote: RonCPlease provide links to claims like this, if you can. thanks!
For asking you to provide a link to a story in case the information I found was wrong in some way?
Quote: RonCPlease save paranoia over what MAY happen with Kavanaugh on the court until something actually does.
For pointing out the fact that Justice Kavanaugh has not been involved in the outcome of a case to this point and it is not time to judge the direction of the Court yet?
I get it. You don't like him. You don't think he should be on the Supreme Court. You could be one who follows the throng trying to impeach him or whatever. All of those things are your absolute right. The thing that you did, though, was ascribe a decision of the Court to him being on it which was factually incorrect. I asked you for additional info; your story had been retracted by the time you checked again.
The Supreme Court is not there for social justice or to fix laws that are Constitutional. Those things are left to the other two branches. It is there to make rulings on whether laws do or don't pass Constitutional muster. I get it...some would like a more activist court. Some would like the court to go outside of the lines it is supposed to stay in and change laws that actually are written in a manner that meets the test of not violating the Constitution. That is what the 6-2 decision says...not that keeping someone from voting is okay, but that the law is Constitutional or that the argument presented was not sufficient to get to that decision.
There is paranoia out there about what might happen on the Court. Heck, it could happen. The issue I have is that you went out of the way to make the decision about the direction the court may take with Kavanaugh on it. Looking at the past records of justices appointed by Republicans as conservatives, it does not always go the way it is expected to go.
Quote: ams288How's everyone's 401k doing this week?
MAGA!
I think mine is slightly negative for the year? It's hard to tell because we recently switched to a new 401k company so I think it screwed up the tracking.
EDIT: Actually it may be up 1-2% at MOST. (SUB-EDIT: That is AFTER this week's tumble.)
Quote:Last month, Ford CEO Jim Hackett said President Trump’s metals tariffs have cost the company $1 billion in profit. According to Fortune, the second biggest American automaker officially announced “massive” layoffs.
Stock in Ford Motor Co. is down 29 percent this year, with Hackett working on a $25.5 billion restructuring of the company to reduce costs while staying competitive. When the CEO mentioned last month that “there will be even more damage” if the Trump administration’s tariffs were to continue, it’s likely this is exactly the sort of reshuffling he was alluding to.
The impact of these tariffs on the U.S. auto industry and inconsistencies in the process are too glaring to ignore. "The metals tariffs took about $1 billion in profit from us—and the irony is we source most of that in the U.S. today anyways," Hackett explained.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/ford-loses-dollar1b-to-trump-tariffs-announces-massive-layoffs/ar-BBOfJgv?ocid=spartanntp
Quote: rxwineGot some hubris going on there, RS?
Best Indian response:
Did RS actually suggest Indigenous people (Native Americans) born in Connecticut or Florida or whatever US state should NOT be considered US citizens?
Quote: darkozDid RS actually suggest Indigenous people (Native Americans) born in Connecticut or Florida or whatever US state should NOT be considered US citizens?
Yep.
Quote: darkozDid RS actually suggest Indigenous people (Native Americans) born in Connecticut or Florida or whatever US state should NOT be considered US citizens?
Yes
I was pretty shocked and saddened
I am sure he is not thrilled I can vote because I was not born in this country and have had difficulty proving my citizenship. There is no standard citizenship document.
What "country" would American Indians be citizens of if not the US??
So the suggestion you may not be US citizens if the last 500 generations of your family were born on US soil just makes me smh
Quote: mcallister3200They can keep Oklahoma though
They'd have to pry it out of the cold, dead hands of the regressive Republican regime that currently has a stranglehold on it.
RS has made a lot of great posts here at the wov. I sometimes re read my posts and say wtf was I thinking? I continually find writing to be not the best method of communicating, so much of our communication is audio and visual, etc.Quote: terapinedYes
I was pretty shocked and saddened
I'm saying RS is a good guy, and may love the red man as much as the rest of us, but his message was taken askew to his meaning? I know I step in it once in awhile.
I think that if he wished you didn't vote it had zero to do with lineage or geography, but more to do with pov? my 2centsQuote:I am sure he is not thrilled I can vote because I was not born in this country and have had difficulty proving my citizenship. There is no standard citizenship document.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Now you know. You might ask Face what it's like to be NA in this country. I had hoped, though, that guys of your generation had learned more about indigenous cultures than you seem to show here.
It's certainly good for some chuckles, especially with Don and his wall being mentioned all the time. "Go back where you came from" always makes the darkness inside me titter and giggle. Tax free status is a good one, too. Even if you don't understand the history (or even care to look), there's 3.8 million square miles of reasons that should kind of, sort of give you hesitation. But in most cases, nah. In all, these types of comments are kinda like going to Walmart. It's not exactly pleasant, but in a life where one is always searching for purpose and signs they're doing OK, it's nice to have constant reminders that, yeah, you're doing way better than most.
And hey, I'm home. Follow my blood back to WWII, I was here. WWI, I was here. Chrostobal Colombo, I was here. Leif, still here. Hey, it's Jesus! I was still here. Mammoth went extinct, I was here. Papyrus invented, I was here. Pyramids built, I was here. When the glaciers receded leaving bare, scoured Earth, first came the flora, then the fauna. Next was me. And I been here ever since, in almost* the exact spot my family has toiled in since humans set foot upon this land. Foreign invasion, plagues, "relocations", massacres, wars, outright slaughters, and not only am I still here, I still ain't even have a gate on my driveway, let alone a wall round my property. Most people who want to see where grandpop grew up need four figures and a passport to do so. I just gotta drive eight and one half minutes. Most who want to envelope themselves in their culture can't even do it, because to do so would mean moving out of country, likely to a land in which you don't speak the language. I've been in mine since birth. You want to see a historical cultural artifact, maybe you see a piece in a museum. I can walk 5 min down to the crick with a window screen, sift one out of a sandbar, and put it on my mantle. If me being home makes people mad, then let them be mad.
Stop by if you're ever in WNY and I'll show you around 10,000yrs of my ancestral homelands. Just, ya know...., don't try to be "discoverin'" s#$% while you're here =p
*The exact spot is under 133' of water
***And for the record, I took RS' comment as him doing that glib thing he does looking to poke and have a giggle, as opposed to being an ignorant f#$%wit with malice in his eye. Maybe don't make him walk the torture tree yet.***
Quote: TigerWuLOL
What "country" would American Indians be citizens of if not the US??
You are kidding, right? My local tribe are PROUD to say they are members of the Seneca Nation. They consider their land a sovereign entity. They make the laws. As an example, you can smoke in Seneca Niagara Casino while if that casino was covered by NY State laws it would be illegal. Another example would be taxation on cigarettes and gas. Yes in NYS. No on the reservation next door.
Quote: gamerfreakAre people that live on Native American Reservations (thus technically not in the US) subject to the same Local, State, and Federal taxes?
Reservations are clearly in the US
It is American jurisprudence and federal laws of the US that has made their lands into sovereign nations
There are other Indian tribal lands I am sure such as in Mexico. They cannot be given that status by the US courts and federal lawmakers because they are not in the US of A
EDIT: In theory I suppose those decisions can be reversed although they would make terrible optics
Quote: darkozReservations are clearly in the US
It is American jurisprudence and federal laws of the US that has made their lands into sovereign nations
There are other Indian tribal lands I am sure such as in Mexico. They cannot be given that status by the US courts and federal lawmakers because they are not in the US of A
EDIT: In theory I suppose those decisions can be reversed although they would make terrible optics
Bob Nersesian regularly says that you are not in the United States when you visit Indian Casinos.
I realize there are certain federal laws that apply to these sovereign nations. But my question was about taxes.
Quote: gamerfreakBob Nersesian regularly says that you are not in the United States when you visit Indian Casinos.
I realize there are certain federal laws that apply to these sovereign nations. But my question was about taxes.
The tax question is good. Im curious as well
I suspect Nersessian is stretching the point a bit
If I am not mistaken capital crimes would be under the jurisdiction of normal law enforcement
If a gunman shoots concertgoers from a hotel window on reservation land its the FBI and local police who handle it not reservation courts or tribal police
I may be mistaken on that but if I am not that is a clear argument they are IN the USA and not really a separate nation
Quote: gamerfreakAre people that live on Native American Reservations (thus technically not in the US) subject to the same Local, State, and Federal taxes?
I know enough to know nothing.
Speaking of only mine (and not of me specifically due to a deep, confusing, and a bit disturbing topic), they pay neither local or state taxes. No school tax, no property tax, no state income tax, no state sales tax on purchases (nor do they charge tax for goods sold on their lands), or anything within the the state and local levels. Monies are received and payment is made to local schools from the Nation, but this is more a function of the transferal of federal grants than a tax scheme. The Nation does not collect revenue, nor does the state enter in their stead for same, for the purpose of education. Or any reason, for that matter, that I can think of. If you say "tax" three times while on the rez, the I-90 catches fire. It's wild.
Federal is the same no matter the side. IRS don't play.
Quote: FaceI know enough to know nothing.
Speaking of only mine (and not of me specifically due to a deep, confusing, and a bit disturbing topic), they pay neither local or state taxes. No school tax, no property tax, no state income tax, no state sales tax on purchases (nor do they charge tax for goods sold on their lands), or anything within the the state and local levels. Monies are received and payment is made to local schools from the Nation, but this is more a function of the transferal of federal grants than a tax scheme. The Nation does not collect revenue, nor does the state enter in their stead for same, for the purpose of education. Or any reason, for that matter, that I can think of. If you say "tax" three times while on the rez, the I-90 catches fire. It's wild.
Federal is the same no matter the side. IRS don't play.
Well there you have it
They pay federal income taxes.
They're part of the US. They have the right to vote
Quote: darkozWell there you have it
They pay federal income taxes.
They're part of the US. They have the right to vote
I missed your ninja edit of "They're Americans." And in 37 years of life, that's the first time I realized that my grandfather, when born, wasn't. He would've already been 11.5yrs old when Coolige signed that bill.
Good day, fellow immigrants.
Quote: FaceI missed your ninja edit of "They're Americans." And in 37 years of life, that's the first time I realized that my grandfather, when born, wasn't. He would've already been 11.5yrs old when Coolige signed that bill.
Good day, fellow immigrants.
Lol
I realized I wasnt speaking properly
But I already knew reservations were part of the US
All this is in answer to a suggestion by RS that Indian reservation members should not be considered US citizens or allowed to vote
Im on your side here
Had nothing to do with us white folk slaughtering the Indians back in the day. Isn’t that kinda how history works, though — there’s land that you want, and if you want it badly enough, you try to take it? Kinda weird that we gave them some land back though.
I disagree with dual citizenship or at the very least showing allegiance to more than 1 nation.
Quote: RSLooks like my comment flew past the usual suspects. Mcallister got it.
Had nothing to do with us white folk slaughtering the Indians back in the day. Isn’t that kinda how history works, though — there’s land that you want, and if you want it badly enough, you try to take it? Kinda weird that we gave them some land back though.
I disagree with dual citizenship or at the very least showing allegiance to more than 1 nation.
You shouldnt make comments that fly by the usual suspects
You wouldn't tell the cops you murdered your wife
Then say "oh I meant when I was doing my standup routine. I absolutely murdered her"
And then wonder why it flew past the usual suspects
Quote: darkozYou shouldnt make comments that fly by the usual suspects
You wouldn't tell the cops you murdered your wife
Then say "oh I meant when I was doing my standup routine. I absolutely murdered her"
And then wonder why it flew past the usual suspects
You might want to take that comment to Nathan's thread. ;-)
Quote: darkozYou shouldnt make comments that fly by the usual suspects
You wouldn't tell the cops you murdered your wife
Then say "oh I meant when I was doing my standup routine. I absolutely murdered her"
And then wonder why it flew past the usual suspects
Reminds me of the time AZ said something about, "Are you still beating your wife?" referring to a loaded question, and all the you-know-whos went off the rails.
Quote: RSReminds me of the time AZ said something about, "Are you still beating your wife?" referring to a loaded question, and all the you-know-whos went off the rails.
Thats why Im trying not to use the rails anymore
Looking to buy a private helicopter for my AP activities
Quote: darkozThats why Im trying not to use the rails anymore
Looking to buy a private helicopter for my AP activities
Too easy to track. A submarine might be better.
For this, she is currently suspended.
On one hand, I don't care how anybody did almost anything in third grade , and it should be off limits.
Yet I can't help thinking if she had not been honest, she wouldn't be in trouble.
Suspended for telling the truth. Another great lesson for today's kids.
Quote: FaceI missed your ninja edit of "They're Americans." And in 37 years of life, that's the first time I realized that my grandfather, when born, wasn't. He would've already been 11.5yrs old when Coolige signed that bill.
Good day, fellow immigrants.
If you look into it further, that bill was passed to affirm the status they already were considered to have, not granted citizenship as of that date. Apparently it was legally murky. The phrasing of the "be, and thus are considered to be" sentence is weird, but that seems to have been the point of it.
Quote: FaceGood day, fellow immigrants.
everybody born in America has descended from immigrants - has immigrants as their ancestors
some might say that Native Americans are the exception
a great many scientists say they came here (immigrated) from a long vanished land bridge from Siberia to Alaska
however, Native Americans would not be considered immigrants if you define an immigrant as anyone who came here after the declaration of America being a sovereign country. this is, I believe, how most people would define what an immigrant is.
Mexico at one time considered large portions of what is now the U.S. to be its territory.
Mexico was defeated in the Mexican American War that raged between 1846 and 1848.
Mexico, of course, relinquished its claim after its defeat, but a great many Mexicans still considered these territories to be their homeland.
Quote: lilredroostereverybody born in America has descended from immigrants - has immigrants as their ancestors
some might say that Native Americans are the exception
a great many scientists say they came here (immigrated) from a long vanished land bridge from Siberia to Alaska
however, Native Americans would not be considered immigrants if you define an immigrant as anyone who came here after the declaration of America being a sovereign country. this is, I believe, how most people would define what an immigrant is.
Mexico at one time considered large portions of what is now the U.S. to be its territory.
Mexico was defeated in the Mexican American War that raged between 1846 and 1848.
Mexico, of course, relinquished its claim after its defeat, but a great many Mexicans still considered these territories to be their homeland.
Theres the solution to immigration and open borders
Start a war with Mexico
Annex it
Claim its now part of the United States
All Mexicans are now Americans since Mexico is now US territory
Problem of illegal immigration from Mexico solved
Quote: RonCWhy is it okay for media commentators to refer to Kanye West in terms that they would not accept if applied to those who agree with them?
I don't know what Kayne West real fans are doing, but I've been dissing his public behavior long before he became a Trump supporter. I can't remember what the first incident was I heard of, (probably stealing Tayor Swift's winning moment) but he's been acting like a horse's ass for a long time.. Never wished him to do anything, but get off my tv.
Quote: RonCWhy is it okay for media commentators to refer to Kanye West in terms that they would not accept if applied to those who agree with them?
there are 2 key words in your question
the first key word is "commentators"
a "commentator" is someone who is expressing his opinion. that is very different from a journalist who for example is covering the war in Afghanistan and is expected to report and interpret only what is factual
the 2nd key word in your question is "okay"
what is and is not "okay" has been greatly broadened by the internet and social media
on both sides, what would not have been "okay" 25 years ago is "okay" today
IMO anyone on any side should take what these "commentators" say with a grain of salt, and filter their opinions through their own hopefully rigorous analysis
what is sad but true is that people who lack intelligence will simply parrot what these "commentators" say if it furthers their agenda
the Amen chorus
Quote: lilredroosterthere are 2 key words in your question
the first key word is "commentators"
a "commentator" is someone who is expressing his opinion. that is very different from a journalist who for example is covering the war in Afghanistan and is expected to report and interpret only what is factual
the 2nd key word in your question is "okay"
what is and is not "okay" has been greatly broadened by the internet and social media
on both sides, what would not have been "okay" 25 years ago is "okay" today
IMO anyone on any side should take what these "commentators" say with a grain of salt, and filter their opinions through their own hopefully rigorous analysis
I take all commentators with a grain of salt.
Quote: RonCWhy is it okay for media commentators to refer to Kanye West in terms that they would not accept if applied to those who agree with them?
Which terms are you referring to?
Quote: ams288Which terms are you referring to?
"Kanye West is what happens when negroes don't read"
"token negro"
Quote: RS"Kanye West is what happens when negroes don't read"
"token negro"
Did “media commentators” really call him those things?
Hopefully they’re out of a job if they did...
Quote: ams288Did “media commentators” really call him those things?
Hopefully they’re out of a job if they did...
AMS dont give the righties on here credit
I heard "token negro" used by a few black commentators on CNN as in "Kanye was being used by Trump as the token negro in the room and its a shame"
Taking words out of context. A typical trick to say yep it was said but twist its original intent
Quote: ams288Did “media commentators” really call him those things?
Hopefully they’re out of a job if they did...
Quote: darkozAMS dont give the righties on here credit
I heard "token negro" used by a few black commentators on CNN as in "Kanye was being used by Trump as the token negro in the room and its a shame"
Taking words out of context. A typical trick to say yep it was said but twist its original intent
What was taken out of context? Does it change the meaning if they just called him a “token negro” versus “Kanye was being used by Trump as the token negro in the room and its [sic] a shame”? No, it doesn’t, since that’s pretty much exactly what a “token _____” means. I don’t really have an issue with the token negro comment, though. But that’s something the NPCs should be angry about....maybe they haven’t gotten their software updated within the past few days, though.
Quote: RSWhat was taken out of context? Does it change the meaning if they just called him a “token negro” versus “Kanye was being used by Trump as the token negro in the room and its [sic] a shame”? No, it doesn’t, since that’s pretty much exactly what a “token _____” means. I don’t really have an issue with the token negro comment, though. But that’s something the NPCs should be angry about....maybe they haven’t gotten their software updated within the past few days, though.
Yeah, it does change the meaning by a lot, though it's nuanced.
If they call him a token negro (directly ) they are labeling and rejecting him, Kanye.
If they say Trump used him as the token negro, then they're observers decoding Trump's reason for inviting him and letting him go on for 10 minutes. It gives Kanye sort of a pass. Throws it back on a guy who has almost no people of color in his Admin trying to use a rapper in the Oval as cover. Kanye still looks like a fool, but because he "let" himself get used.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, it does change the meaning by a lot, though it's nuanced.
If they call him a token negro (directly ) they are labeling and rejecting him, Kanye.
If they say Trump used him as the token negro, then they're observers decoding Trump's reason for inviting him and letting him go on for 10 minutes. It gives Kanye sort of a pass. Throws it back on a guy who has almost no people of color in his Admin trying to use a rapper in the Oval as cover. Kanye still looks like a fool, but because he "let" himself get used.
Emphasis mine.
How is that any different than what’s actually going on right now? Are they not labeling and rejecting Kanye?
Unless someone’s living under a rock, they are aware of the Trump/Kanye relationship. Context isn’t necessary if the context is already known. (Go ahead people, twist my words and say I wrote “context isn’t necessary”, I know it’s coming.) My sincerest apologies to Darkoz et al if they didn’t know Kanye was a yuuge Trump supporter and that (in the “Trump thread” of all things) the discussion would include Donald Trump. Next time I’ll give full context, but I expect the same from you.
I 100% guarantee if any of those comments were made by white people on Fox about some black person supporting Hillary Clinton in the same way, you’d have every liberal extremely upset about it, the white dude would be getting death threats, and all this other nonsense. Guaranteed.
#Warren2020
#LockHimUp
#HRC4prez
Quote: RS
I 100% guarantee if any of those comments were made by white people on Fox about 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧 supporting Hillary Clinton in the same way, you’d have every liberal extremely upset about it, the white dude would be getting death threats, and all this other nonsense. Guaranteed.
Kanye is not 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐛𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧. He is a person who has done and said outrageous things and is mentally unbalanced
one of his quotes:
"God has chosen me to be the voice and the connector"
I guarantee you if Hilary had embraced this person she would have been mocked mercilessly by Faux News and others and liberals who supported her would try to convince her not to have a political relationship with this person.
𝐆𝐔𝐀𝐑𝐀𝐍-𝐃𝐀𝐌𝐍-𝐓𝐄𝐄𝐃
https://www.ranker.com/list/most-insane-kanye-west-quotes/joswo
Quote: lilredroosterI guarantee you if Hilary had embraced this person she would have been mocked mercilessly by Faux News
How Fox News covered Kanye West’s White House visit compared to rappers during the Obama years
I’ve hated Kayne West forever. I’m glad the righties are claiming him now. They can have him....
