SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
Oh god! Everyone thinks their uncle, cousin, neighbor, friends friend, brother in law who gambles in LV is a professional gambler.Quote: DiscreteMaths2Read this as well: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41472462
His neighbor went as far as to say that he was a professional gambler. Would not surprise me at all if someone on this site has had a run in with him before in some capacity. His brother also said he played a lot of video poker.
A well-off guy with no job who likes to gamble a lot must be a professional gambler. *ROLLS EYES
Quote: BozYea even Fox News sucks at times like the rest of the media. Headline: "Suspect (really???) played high stakes Video Poker, Father was Bank Robber". What does one have to do with another? And how does being a HS VP player have anything to do with anything?
High stakes gambler leads to questions about financial solvency as a motive. Blew through everything, owed money, decided to take it out on everyone.
I can't see them leaving out father was once on FBI 10 most wanted. Probably no connection except genes.
Quote: AxelWolfOh god! Everyone thinks their uncle, cousin, neighbor, friends friend, brother in law who gambles in LV is a professional gambler.
A well-off guy with no job who likes to gamble a lot must be a professional gambler. *ROLLS EYES
BILLY WALTERS --- PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER ( evil ) 5 YEARS IN JAIL
PHIL NICKELSON --- PROFESSIONAL GOLFER (hero ) WE KNOW BILLY TRICKED YOU. JUST GIVE THE MONEY BACK, NOT EVEN A MISDEMEANOR TO SMEAR YOUR GOOD NAME. NO NEED TO EVEN TESTIFY AGAINST THAT EVIL BILLY. GOOD LUCK IN THE AMERICA'S CUP, REPRESENTING ALL THAT IS GOOD IN AMERICA.
That's okay. I started the thread primarily to report on the developing event's danger, but we can analyze its causes and ramifications as well.Quote: DocLate to the conversation here....
>there were comments about near-panic situations at other casinos, with apparently no real connection to the tragedy.
Yes. I've no idea how such rumors spread but even a rumor can save lives.
>There was just a frustrated sense of sadness that this would be happening,
> and the game went on. There was one quip that the person with the dice
>should not be referred to as "the shooter".
Maintaining calmness and a sense of humor is good
Whitman was thought to have had a brain tumor. Who knows about this guy?
It had not occurred to me not to go. This event is about as bad as it gets, but going to Vegas or not this weekend, unfortunately, can't change what has already happened. But I don't think I can, or should, try to change the way she feels.
Would you still go to Vegas ?
Quote: JohnnyQ...Would you still go to Vegas ?
Yes. Pause a moment to reflect on the value of life and the importance of comforting and assisting the survivors, but the town needs your patronage.
Quote: JohnnyQWould you still go to Vegas ?
Hell yes!
Quote: JohnnyQMrs. Q and I were planning on being in Vegas this upcoming weekend. Now she says she would feel wrong going out to Vegas and having a good time so close to this horrible tragedy.
It had not occurred to me not to go. This event is about as bad as it gets, but going to Vegas or not this weekend, unfortunately, can't change what has already happened. But I don't think I can, or should, try to change the way she feels.
Would you still go to Vegas ?
Everything else being equal, yes I would. In defiance of this person trying to terrorize crowds and venues, if for no other reason.
I wish I needed to attend G2E this year. It would mean I had a game on display there. I would stay and do it, though maybe some will leave.
I hope you will follow through with your plans.
Quote: JohnnyQ
Would you still go to Vegas ?
Yes. If you don't you let the madman 'win'. I am sure there will be some way you and Mrs. Q can donate or help the survivors in some way. You will probably feel better if you do it locally.
Thanks for your thoughts. You summed up what I was thinking. Obviously, we spend money in Vegas when we visit, just like everyone else, and that supports the people who work and live there.Quote: AyecarumbaYes. Pause a moment to reflect on the value of life and the importance of comforting and assisting the survivors, but the town needs your patronage.
If we stay home, we aren't going to stop going to the movies, or eating out at restaurants, etc this weekend.
Quote: ams288Hell yes!
Not much we agree on but HELL YEA!
Well coincidentally, It is United Way pledge time once again at work. I think that is a good thought and it makes sense to up my contribution again this year. I believe it efficiently helps those currently living in poverty who haven't been dealt the same hand I have in life.Quote: SOOPOOI am sure there will be some way you and Mrs. Q can donate or help the survivors in some way. You will probably feel better if you do it locally.
Meanwhile, NBC News reported that the guy had multiple CTRs out in the same day:
"On several occasions, Stephen Paddock gambled more than $10,000 per day — and in some cases more than than $20,000 and $30,000 a day — at Las Vegas casinos, according to an NBC News source who read the suspect's Multiple Currency Transaction Reports (CTR) and a casino gaming executive.
According to a U.S. statute, a CTR is a Treasury- and IRS-mandated report that casinos have to file when "each transaction in currency involving cash-in and cash-out of more than $10,000 in a gaming day."
The American spirit always comes through in times of tragedy.
$1.2 million raised through local GoFundMe to help victims.
Convention Center deluged with donations.
Way to go, America.
Way to go, Vegas.
Quote: gordonm888
Some sudden deterioration in the shooter's mental health is sort of a default answer when no evidence exists for other reasons, but it is simply too early to tell.
He may have played high school football so I think we should blame it on CTE.
Quote: JohnnyQWould you still go to Vegas ?
Of course.
Quote: DRichHe may have played high school football so I think we should blame it on CTE.
Depends on the autopsy
They have seen it in High school players. Did he play college?
Quote: DRichHe may have played high school football so I think we should blame it on CTE.
He was an avid gambler so we should blame it on gambling.
Quote: NeutrinoDemocrats are pushing anti-gun agenda already. Too soon?
Not soon enough.
Quote: ams288Not soon enough.
Yup, not soon enough
Some nut out there with guns may be planning something right now
And you know this how?
Is there a link?
EDit: And the rest of this to people in general ... and I'm glad none of the WON people in Vegas were hurt or effected. There's a lot of support happening out there at this time too.
People should look back at their posts at the time of the horror and see how wrong they were at the time.
People might want to learn from this and not post things based on who knows what.
The news stations are still getting things wrong in their rush for ratings.
The last count given by the Sheriff of Vegas is at 7:45 pm Monday night was 59 dead, 525 injured. Everything I saw after 9:00am was all rehashed phone videos and news attempting to scoop each other. But the live reports from officials went a big way in shutting up the news idiots.
It will probably be days before there's more of concrete facts of the injuries sustained, or even worse died or injured in the stampede.
Just the shrapnel and cement chips created can cause death and carnage.
Quote: DRichHe may have played high school football so I think we should blame it on CTE.
Actually, this is as valid a theory as any of the crap we are hearing on TV. A forensic examination of the shooter's brain will probably tell us more than all these CNN interviews with ex-FBI agents.
Quote: terapinedYup, not soon enough
Some nut out there with guns may be planning something right now
There is always North Korea where public ownership of guns is outlawed. Or do you want something in the middle of the America most of us love and North Korea?
Quote: BozThere is always North Korea where public ownership of guns is outlawed. Or do you want something in the middle of the America most of us love and North Korea?
Actually thinking about UK, Australia and Japan
Quote: terapinedActually thinking about UK, Australia and Japan
No clue on your income tax contributions but somehow I think America will survive. It seems you will fit in better in all the them but I do wish you well. Life is short and everyone deserves to be happy. I hope the American Dream didn't permanently damage you.
Quote: BozNo clue on your income tax contributions but somehow I think America will survive. It seems you will fit in better in all the them but I do wish you well. Life is short and everyone deserves to be happy. I hope the American Dream didn't permanently damage you.
What does my income tax contributions have to do with this?
Just a regular hard working Joe. Make about 45K a year, just take a standard deduction. I am sure I pay more in taxes then Trump
Sure America will survive
With gun control, more Americans will survive
In this case, more is better then less :-)
The probability of some random event like this happening as a normal course of events is pretty low the first time around. The probability of a search for intelligent life by means of mass-murder and suicide is quite substantially lower still. Improbable events happen, however.
But I expect this opens the door for others who have never contemplated such things.
And unlike hijacking an airplane with razor blades, it's much harder to guard against asymmetric terrorist warfare such as this.
1100 people per year die in Vegas, or about 3 every day. 1 in 6 is suicide, or 1 every two days.
If those suicides, one every two days, in Vegas begin to resemble this sort of mayhem in the future, things could get pretty hairy in the town that is known for things "staying in Vegas."
https://vitalvegas.com/insider-secrets-really-really-dont-want-know-las-vegas
I have a feeling that blog is very over exaggerated.Quote: AhighIf the shooter had any intentions, it might have been to determine (perhaps in any afterlife) if there is intelligent life outside of our planet that might intervene in such a scenario.
The probability of some random event like this happening as a normal course of events is pretty low the first time around. The probability of a search for intelligent life by means of mass-murder and suicide is quite substantially lower still. Improbable events happen, however.
But I expect this opens the door for others who have never contemplated such things.
And unlike hijacking an airplane with razor blades, it's much harder to guard against asymmetric terrorist warfare such as this.
1100 people per year die in Vegas, or about 3 every day. 1 in 6 is suicide, or 1 every two days.
If those suicides, one every two days, in Vegas begin to resemble this sort of mayhem in the future, things could get pretty hairy in the town that is known for things "staying in Vegas."
https://vitalvegas.com/insider-secrets-really-really-dont-want-know-las-vegas
Quote: terapinedWhat does my income tax contributions have to do with this?
I suspect he took your comment about those countries as a statement that you were thinking of moving there, in which context his comment makes sense.
Pretty sure I caught your meaning: you'd like the USA to adopt gun control laws which are similar to those in the countries you listed.
Quote: WizardLisa sprained her shoulder ... A teacher had minor injuries ... her mother suffered major ones.
Wiz,
Many thanx for helping us refocus on this being about people, not politics.
Quote: AxelWolfI have a feeling that blog is very over exaggerated.
But my suggestion for testing the universe for the presence of a governing force is completely grounded in reality.
LOL.
We live in a world of randomness and improbable events. No matter how improbable, strange things happen.
I think that it is anecdotally interesting how close to home (the WOV home) this guy's personality profile fits.
No doubt some Las Vegas pros played video poker next to this guy over the years. They said he made his money in real estate but maybe he was actually an AP. His brother said he that he got a text photo a while back of a $40K VP Jackpot, most likely a Royal Flush. His brother also said that shooter send him another one day that he won $250,000.
Quote: MrVI suspect he took your comment about those countries as a statement that you were thinking of moving there, in which context his comment makes sense.
Pretty sure I caught your meaning: you'd like the USA to adopt gun control laws which are similar to those in the countries you listed.
He seems to read things into posts that don't exist except to him.
Quote: terapinedWhat does my income tax contributions have to do with this?
Just a regular hard working Joe. Make about 45K a year, just take a standard deduction. I am sure I pay more in taxes then Trump
Sure America will survive
With gun control, more Americans will survive
In this case, more is better then less :-)
Has something to do with it. Face it, if you are a 1%er, we need you. If you are a top 10%er, thank you for your contribution and support of others. But otherwise America will survive without you. And there are plenty of hard working people willing and able to step into your 45k job. With a spouse making the same they can live the American dream, happy to be living in the land of the free with a Dem or Republican as President.
Enjoy your life overseas.
Quote: BozHas something to do with it. Face it, if you are a 1%er, we need you. If you are a top 10%er, thank you for your contribution and support of others. But otherwise America will survive without you. And there are plenty of hard working people willing and able to step into your 45k job. With a spouse making the same they can live the American dream, happy to be living in the land of the free with a Dem or Republican as President.
Enjoy your life overseas.
As MrV said, you likely misunderstood terapined. He was referring to the gun laws in those countries, not moving to them. Please stop making him unwelcome. Thanks.
Quote: BozHas something to do with it. Face it, if you are a 1%er, we need you. If you are a top 10%er, thank you for your contribution and support of others. But otherwise America will survive without you. And there are plenty of hard working people willing and able to step into your 45k job. With a spouse making the same they can live the American dream, happy to be living in the land of the free with a Dem or Republican as President.
Enjoy your life overseas.
Just because I want to improve America in my humble opinion doesn't mean I should leave.
Somebody like me, just a regular middle class income are the backbone of the tax system.
Why do you want me to leave
Yea our politics differ
but
I'm still an American
Quote: AhighBut my suggestion for testing the universe for the presence of a governing force is completely grounded in reality.
LOL.
We live in a world of randomness and improbable events. No matter how improbable, strange things happen.
I think that it is anecdotally interesting how close to home (the WOV home) this guy's personality profile fits.
Taking away this gibber gabbish. Welcome back.
Assuming lawsuits don't prevent it, can you speak about the company you were previously ran? Numerous posters here invested in it and believed in your products and some made and lost money on it. Perhaps a mod can split thus from this thread respectively but it should be a topic of discussion. An update would be nice but obviously you have no obligations to it. In fact you could tell us to go f ourselves like Foley did.
Sell all the guns you want. But...
Make it illegal to own more than a single box of rounds or perhaps very very expensive. Reloads, though, probably negate the use of that.
Close the gunshow loophole.
Enforce the waiting periods.
Do not allow mentally ill people to have guns.
Do not allow no fly list people to have guns.
Ban semiautomatic weapons and kits to change weapons into automatic, banana clips and drums, and silencers. None of those are needed for home protection, hunting, or other excuses.
The cost of protecting 2nd amendment rights (a separate argument is what the Constitution actually says, and whether something written when guns held one bullet should now rule unrevised) is too high. This is happening way too often to defend things as they are. However, I have no hope there will be any change. If Sandy Hook didn't get it done, neither will this.
Note: if I hear Carolyn Goodman say "59 new stars in the sky" one more time...
Quote: sammydvEDIT: Sorry , this was a question to Axel and his offender comment.
And you know this how?
Is there a link?
EDit: And the rest of this to people in general ... and I'm glad none of the WON people in Vegas were hurt or effected. There's a lot of support happening out there at this time too.
People should look back at their posts at the time of the horror and see how wrong they were at the time.
People might want to learn from this and not post things based on who knows what.
The news stations are still getting things wrong in their rush for ratings.
The last count given by the Sheriff of Vegas is at 7:45 pm Monday night was 59 dead, 525 injured. Everything I saw after 9:00am was all rehashed phone videos and news attempting to scoop each other. But the live reports from officials went a big way in shutting up the news idiots.
It will probably be days before there's more of concrete facts of the injuries sustained, or even worse died or injured in the stampede.
Just the shrapnel and cement chips created can cause death and carnage.
You have a point, and I was one trying to sort out events. However, there are people who check this site while they're playing. Some were at or near the event. In a better safe than sorry mode, and speaking for myself, I wanted them to know there might be a coordinated attack happening, in case they needed a warning before getting creamed by some conspirator. Better they take care of themselves in a timely way and I be wrong.
Quote: beachbumbabsAs MrV said, you likely misunderstood terapined. He was referring to the gun laws in those countries, not moving to them. Please stop making him unwelcome. Thanks.
Unfortunately there is no point in having a discussion on gun control. Too much NRA money in too many politicians' pockets.
I am waiting for the NRA's response on this one as it is apparent that in this case, a good guy with a gun took more than an hour to kill a bad guy with a gun. I can almost be certain that the writers of the 2nd Amendment in 1791 did not predict this unintended consequence.
None of the politicians, mayors, or anyone else was discussing gun control today. Everyone is shrugging their shoulders, probably because everyone is politically exhausted.
Given the initial response to a remark about gun control, my guess is that this forum is not mature enough to have rational discussion on the subject. "Don't politicize it!" WTF not?
Quote: beachbumbabsAs MrV said, you likely misunderstood terapined. He was referring to the gun laws in those countries, not moving to them. Please stop making him unwelcome. Thanks.
So was he saying? Let's make it clear:
1. He wants to move to these 3 countries named?
2. Those Countries have better gun laws than the US of America and we should follow their lead?
3. Or?
In any of the above I feel his opinion is welcome here but why not state why you disagree with my opinions?
Quote: boymimboUnfortunately there is no point in having a discussion on gun control. Too much NRA money in too many politicians' pockets.
That's "lobbying" for ya.
But change "politicians" to "college sports coaches" and "lobbying" becomes "bribery."
