SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
As to politics, RS, you know pretty much where I am on things. MY ex-husband is a year or two younger than this guy, extremely right, very big fan of Trump, gun collector, veteran, etc.
In short, you should assume nothing, based on how someone twice removed from the guy thinks.
Quote: darkozSo you have determined this guys probable political affiliation by looking at his roomates estranged husbands facebook?
Why stop there. Why not check the estranged husbands mother? Who probably never met this guy?
I actually have a friend who has been married for 15 years and has not seen her husband in ten years (they are on facebook together) so if her current boyfriend did something similar you would check out the husbands facebook. What a fantastic detective you wpuld make
Because when someone is heavily into something, their spouse is likely into the same stuff. Someone who is a hardcore leftist is likely not going to get married to someone who leans anywhere right of center. They're probably going to share the same or similar views. Sure, opposites can attract, but that doesn't seem likely with religious or political views, especially if one is hardcore into something politically, religiously, etc.
Let's say some guy walks into a Jewish restaurant, opens fire, and kills a bunch of Jewish people. His best friend (a woman) is married to a Nazi. Do you think it's all purely a coincidence? Or perhaps do you think, "well, this guy's best friend is married to a Nazi....good chance she has similar views to the guy she married....and if she has those views, good chance her best friend has similar views, too"?
So yeah, I'd say I've determined the guy's probable political affiliation. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence and I'm wrong. I guess time will tell.
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Quote: beachbumbabsAs to politics, RS, you know pretty much where I am on things. MY ex-husband is a year or two younger than this guy, extremely right, very big fan of Trump, gun collector, veteran, etc.
In short, you should assume nothing, based on how someone twice removed from the guy thinks.
Don't you or didn't you consider yourself a republican/conservative? How have your views changed since you were married to him and how right on the politcal spectrum were you when you were together vs now?
Quote: darkozThey have located his roomate marylou danley in another country.
They dont believe she has anything to do with this now
In that case, the link between her and the shooter/shooting is gone and I take back what I said above about the shooter's likely political stance.
Quote: RSIMO, nothing the casino can do or should do, other than offer a statement of condolences.
It clearly isn't the casino's fault (unless something else comes to light). I think just about everyone sees that and wouldn't even wonder if the casino was at fault. As of now, it appears it's just a crazy guy who came up with a bizarre (to say the least) plan. I've searched through some articles and nothing is showing as far as his motivation for it.
Apparently his "roommate" is Marilou Danley, which is kind of odd, but whatever. Her husband (or ex-husband?) is Geary Danley. Looking at his facebook page, you see the pages he "likes" which are almost all left-wing pages. They include "Anti-Trump Army", "Thank you Obama", "Not my president", "Fight trump", a bunch of proud democrat pages, and all sorts of other leftist pages. Looking at his page, there appears to be hundreds of these pages and nothing that isn't a leftist page. As a reminder, this guy (Geary) is the husband of the chick (Marilou) who was the accomplice to the shooter (Stephen). Geary is NOT the shooter and AFAIK not connected to any of this.
However, just looking at that, it appears he's pretty far left on the political spectrum. Don't know about Marilou, but I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say she's likely far left as well, being his wife (or ex-wife?).
Granted, the far left stuff could just be a coincidence or completely unrelated. But again, I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say it may likely be a strong part of the motivation, if I had to guess. Combine this with it being a country concert (where I assume the attendees are likely more republican/conservative/right wing).....well to me, it looks like the motivation is political.
Again, no reports out yet that I could find saying what the shooter's motivation was, this is just my 2 cents.
Damn it this is the 2nd time a leftist went out and shot people in the recent months! Except last time was politicians this time it's civilians
Quote: RS
So yeah, I'd say I've determined the guy's probable political affiliation.
What an absurd post
I know families divided by politics
Very common here in the USA
Quote: terapinedWhat an absurd post
I know families divided by politics
Very common here in the USA
but think about it, leftest shooting a country music festival... too much coincidence?
Quote: NeutrinoDamn it this is the 2nd time a leftist went out and shot people in the recent months! Except last time was politicians this time it's civilians
Another absurd post
Determining politics by reading tea leaves
ROTFL
Why not go all in and blame Obama? lol
Quote: Neutrinobut think about it, leftest shooting a country music festival... too much coincidence?
????????
I lean left yet I really like some country music
facepalm
Politically, I will only say that there is very little anyone could have done to avoid this tragedy and incidents like these committed by the mentally deranged or political or racial motivations. We will learn much more information on the shooter, including his political motivations and any kinds of hints the public, police, and the FBI had on him.
You have the right to bear arms, including powerful arms. Had the guns not been available, it could easily have been a truck barreling down the street. Laws will not change as a result of this, and the strip hotels likely will not take any long term serious measures to prevent people going up to their rooms with high-powered weapons. Maybe they will have dogs sniffing bags at the elevators for guns.
In any case, a very tragic incident that already has become politicized on this forum. To me this is the cost of freedom.
Quote: terapinedAnother absurd post
Determining politics by reading tea leaves
You know damned well that if this guy had just shot up a Jay-Z concert the media would be wall-to-wall white supremacy right now.
Quote: NeutrinoI'm going to buy gun stocks now pre market, I heard usually when mass shootings happen gun sales go up because people are afraid liberals will take away their guns. That translate to usually a huge boost to the gun stocks on the stock market
Quote: terapinedRight wing extremists like Alex Jones will claim this is all a fantasy.
So they probably think this is "fake news," then?
Sadly enough, If someone is crazy enough to commit acts like this, they will find a way to do it. For every gun sold legally at the local shop, I guarantee you there are 2 ready to be sold illegally. If people want something , they will find it unless they stop manufacturing them...
Prayers out to the victims and their families. Innocent people looking to have a fun night out only to be carried out in a casket is horrible. They should seriously torture people who commit heinous acts of violence like this... there needs to be serious consequences to these senseless and life altering acts. If people knew they would be tortured every day for years at a time for committing these acts, I am confident people would think long and hard before doing it. In this case, the man was a coward and just killed himself, so, not much could be done.
Quote: AxelWolf
From listing to the videos and the long rapid fire this does not seem like a normal automatic assault rifle set up.
It's not likely. With a bit of practice, one can "bump fire" by holding the trigger finger and hand stiff and using the off hand to apply forward pressure to the gun. The forward pressure causes contact between the trigger and trigger finger, it fires, the recoil bring the gun back, the trigger resets, and the continued forward pressure fires off another. Repeat until click. Works on any semi auto, provided you can control it. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, you name it.
The fire rate at Mandalay was variable. Variable fire rate weapons do not exist. This was bump fire with a drum mag.*
*$0.02. Keep the change.
If the reports are true that he's a convert to Islam we won't be hearing much more about this story at all after tomorrow. Anyone remember the Pulse nightclub shooting?
He was not a sex offender. Stories are saying that he used to live in Reno - Source - Reno Gazette Journal.
For the first time in six years, I've decided to skip G2E. Otherwise, I would have arrived in Vegas yesterday. I would not have gone to that concert but who knows where I would have been.Quote: GWAEI hope everyone on here and their friends and family are safe. Does anyone know anyone with plans on going there?
But are other WoV members in town? Hope all is well...
Quote: boymimboYou can find the shooter's address from sources.
He was not a sex offender. Stories are saying that he used to live in Reno - Source - Reno Gazette Journal.
It's pretty easy to start to speculate about his lifestyle, politics, religion, sexual preferences etc, but to do so is in the realm of presidents and others with an axe to grind. ( not having a go at anyone here )
For now, I suggest that we have the decency and respect to say that we sympathise with the victims and their families and thank you all those involved with resolving this terrible situation.
I'm not even going to jump on the guns/gun control issue. There will be time enough to make judgement on the shooter's motivation and his ability to kill so many so easily.
I do, sincerely wait to see what words of wisdom and consolation your president has to say. If he utters one lie or mentions any personal achievement in his pronouncement, which is due about now, then let him be judged on that. Maybe he will be presidential.
I extend my deepest sympathies to the LV community. I hope none on this forum were affected personally, though, every victim was someone's son/ daughter or loved one.
Quote: OnceDear
I do, sincerely wait to see what words of wisdom and consolation your president has to say.
Ok. I'll be picky and can be slammed as anti-trump. He said very little, which is good, But even in this he managed just a subtle smidgen of nationalism in
There were British tourists and other nationalities among the victims. fsk them! Let someone else pray for them!Quote: trumpy�Melania and I are praying for every American . . .
He can't even get this right. Tw*nt!
Quote: OnceDearIt's pretty easy to start to speculate about his lifestyle, politics, religion, sexual preferences etc, but to do so is in the realm of presidents and others with an axe to grind. ( not having a go at anyone here )
For now, I suggest that we have the decency and respect to say that we sympathise with the victims and their families and thank you all those involved with resolving this terrible situation.
I'm not even going to jump on the guns/gun control issue. There will be time enough to make judgement on the shooter's motivation and his ability to kill so many so easily.
I do, sincerely wait to see what words of wisdom and consolation your president has to say. If he utters one lie or mentions any personal achievement in his pronouncement, which is due about now, then let him be judged on that. Maybe he will be presidential.
I extend my deepest sympathies to the LV community. I hope none on this forum were affected personally, though, every victim was someone's son/ daughter or loved one.
Agreed.
This person's history is easily traceable and there will be thousands of accounts of interactions with the shooter. Of course, the girlfriend and ex-wife/wife will have the most relevant information regarding the guy's mental health and motivation, if it wasn't already recorded in his home. These accounts would likely include casino patrons, dealers, friends, family, co-workers, etc.
His motivations will be known within a couple of days.
Past that, it is absurd to start speculating or formulating opinions about "possible" facts/motivation based on nothing more than hunches and really crappy information. You know what they say when you ASSume something? The facts will come out. There is a time for that... but right now is not that time.
In this thread, surely, it will always be too soon to joke about anything.Quote: SkepticIs it too soon to joke about the Chinese pre-shuffled cards?
Quote: SkepticIs it too soon to joke about the Chinese pre-shuffled cards?
Just cruel in these situations. Not funny!! The real reason this happened was because the perpetrator could only throw 17 yo's in a row!!
For those too far to help, I invite you join me in logging off and finding how many neighbor's you can plant a smile in.
I respect your first amendment rights, but jokes of any sort in this thread: Well they reveal something abhorrent in the poster's character IMHO.
Good plan. One of my favourites is using contactless credit card* to pay for the groceries of the next person in the queue. . . Then briskly walking away so they can't attribute any pervy motive to you.Quote: FaceFor those too far to help, I invite you join me in logging off and finding how many neighbor's you can plant a smile in.
*Do you guys have them yet?
https://www.pymnts.com/nfc/2016/uk-lessons-for-us-mobile-payments-adoption/
Quote: OnceDearOh c'mon IBYA
I respect your first amendment rights, but jokes of any sort in this thread: Well they reveal something abhorrent in the poster's character IMHO.
Tough! I've no sympathy for stupidity, and it starts with Vegas casinos. This happened because it was ALLOWED to happen due to NO SECURITY AT ENTRY POINTS!!!! I've mentioned that many times before. It was inevitable.
It takes courage to floor an accelerator when "assault rifle'' is broadcast over the radio and the officer has only a pistol, nothing else with him.Quote: WizardJust woke up to the news. Obviously, I'm fine. I would like to thank and honor the LVPD for their bravery.
I've heard that when one search warrant was executed, it was volunteers only since they knew the shooter had wanted a high body count and there was concern about booby traps.
Disaster plans and drills are great but when it comes to the real thing the epinephrine levels really soar.
Its hard to zig zag in a crowded venue and "cover'' is plainly not really available. Even that guy pulling passersby into his van was only offering people an opportunity to not be seen; the bullets would go right thru his van's roof and sides. No real 'cover'. Crawling on top of someone may be a touching gesture but for most assault rifles at that range all it means is that the person on top will get shot first but the slug is most likely to keep right on going.
Always thought I was a tuff guy. Now I am not so sure,
Just venting, feel free to ignore.
Quote: AyecarumbaTragic news. Was the concert in the wave pool area, or is there an outdoor concert venue at Mandalay Bay? The distance from the tower to the ground is considerable. He had to be spraying fire into the crowd below rather than selecting individual targets, yet two police officers are deceased. Sad day for all of us.
The venue was across the street from Mandalay Bay on the east side of Las Vegas Blvd.
Quote: IbeatyouracesTough! I've no sympathy for stupidity, and it starts with Vegas casinos. This happened because it was ALLOWED to happen due to NO SECURITY AT ENTRY POINTS!!!! I've mentioned that many times before. It was inevitable.
All kinds of huge gatherings with no security at entry points
Lincoln Memorial
The Mall DC
Times Square
The Pier in SFO
Mallory square in the Keys
Grant Park Chi
ect ect
There's more to this than we know, and maybe more actors.
Quote: NeutrinoDamn it this is the 2nd time a leftist went out and shot people in the recent months! Except last time was politicians this time it's civilians
I have to say I think it is repugnant to start pointing fingers at groups to blame at this early point, before the dust even had a chance to clear.
Probably just somebody with severe mental illness who acted alone. Comparisons could easily be made to the University of Texas shooting. As far as I know, the shooter in that case had no motive other than to kill as many people as possible.
Shooter was a 100.00 a hand BJ player
He was an accountant
Brother said he was quite wealthy
Their father was a bank robber that passed away a couple years ago
The father was at one point on the FBI 10 most wanted list
Quote: terapinedSome interesting facts coming out
Shooter was a 100.00 a hand BJ player
He was an accountant
Brother said he was quite wealthy
Their father was a bank robber that passed away a couple years ago
The father was at one point on the FBI 10 most wanted list
Read this as well: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41472462
His neighbor went as far as to say that he was a professional gambler. Would not surprise me at all if someone on this site has had a run in with him before in some capacity. His brother also said he played a lot of video poker.
Quote: WizardComparisons could easily be made to the University of Texas shooting.
Whitman was the first person I thought of when I heard he was shooting from elevation. Only he didn't need to be a marksman, shooting into a thick crowd of people.
Quote: NeutrinoDamn it this is the 2nd time a leftist went out and shot people in the recent months! Except last time was politicians this time it's civilians
58 dead, zero indication of the shooters motivations, and this is the rhetoric you are choosing. Absolutely disgusting. You are making up fake news to satisfy your own mental circle jerk.
If you cared about your country and terrorism beyond pushing your precious little agenda, yo would be out there donating blood instead of making up facts on the internet. But based on your comments, I highly doubt you have ever had the courage to do anything so selfless.
Quote: gamerfreak58 dead, zero indication of the shooters motivations, and this is the rhetoric you are choosing. Absolutely disgusting. You are making up fake news to satisfy your own mental circle jerk.
If you cared about your country and terrorism beyond pushing your precious little agenda, yo would be out there donating blood instead of making up facts on the internet. But based on your comments, I highly doubt you have ever had the courage to do anything so selfless.
why are you making this personal?
Quote: rxwineWhitman was the first person I thought of when I heard he was shooting from elevation. Only he didn't need to be a marksman, shooting into a thick crowd of people.
Sadly, I fear this may have set an example for copycats.
As the days go on and the research becomes clear his motivation will come apparent. As we learn things, a picture of the killer comes o.
But it is a very sad day for America, Las Vegas, MGM, Mandalay Bay and the attendees of the concert last night.
Arrived in Nevada last Tuesday and have been driving around the state. Made it back to Las Vegas Sunday evening and will be here until late on Wednesday.
Early in this thread there were some comments about near-panic situations at other casinos on the strip, with apparently no real connection to the tragedy. I wanted to comment on completely different environment where I learned of the incident. I was playing craps at the Rio, when sometime between 11pm and midnight one of the dealers mentioned the situation and pointed to one of the TV monitors hanging in the area. There was just a frustrated sense of sadness that this would be happening, and the game went on. There was one quip that the person with the dice should not be referred to as "the shooter", but everyone seemed to understand that it was not a crisis event where we were located -- no reason to panic, just reason to be saddened.
This morning I started dealing with text messages and phone calls from friends/neighbors/relatives back on EDT who were concerned for our well being and didn't seem to comprehend why I would still be asleep at 11:00 their time.
Quote: terapinedRight wing extremists like Alex Jones will claim this is all a fantasy.
terapined deserves credit:
Imagine being so stupid that you'd actually believe anything that comes out of this worthless sack of crap's mouth....
Quote: terapinedSome interesting facts coming out
Shooter was a 100.00 a hand BJ player
He was an accountant
Brother said he was quite wealthy
Their father was a bank robber that passed away a couple years ago
The father was at one point on the FBI 10 most wanted list
Father was in jail and was not in their lives. Brother of shooter says the shooter had no political affiliations that he was aware of and really had no strongly held political viewpoints (that he was aware of). No criminal record, no parking tickets and no record of mental illness (according to the brother.) Law enforcement is reportedly struggling with what the motivation could have been.
Some sudden deterioration in the shooter's mental health is sort of a default answer when no evidence exists for other reasons, but it is simply too early to tell.
Given that there is a video going around of the killer being at an Anti-Trump rally a few months ago in Reno, Jones' declaration doesn't surprise in the least.
