SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
Usually things like this are genetic AND dietary insults.
Detritus of sea gulls? Who knows.
No one even tests for L bodies so no one discovers anything about them, Besides, L bodies were discovered by a female, not a male doctor,
Quote: FleaStiffOf course you can't find much,. Medicine rarely focuses on contaminated foods and when it does it only focuses on the short term consequences.
Long term effects of ciguateria poisoning are a life time of chronic fatigue, but no one focuses on this.
Viral clusters such as Lake Tahoe are ignored.
MAP is ingested by cows. Milk, cheese, grass spreads MAP to humans. Most do not get sick. Of those who do, most get over it. Some leaks from the gut into the enteric nervous system and eventually treks all the way thru the vegas nerve (sorry) vagus nerve to the brain cells and interferes with cranial autophagy/xenophagy pathways. So the Pt eventually gets diagnosed with something like Premature Senility, Early Onset Alzheimers, or perhaps even Lewis Body Disease. At autopsy its Officially Lewis Body Disease, but how can you go back 30 or 40 years and investigate a mild stomach ache that didn't even leave an impression then.
Its the same thing with cat scratch fever or cat litter. Most people get exposed to it with no consequences, some suffer. Eventually the parasite works its way to the brain in some genetic subset primed by manganese deficiency. These poor souls become combative, thrill seekers, gamblers, drunk drivers, etc. Medicine ignores this. You go into a bar and get beat up the cops and the quacks are through with you in 72 hours. No one studies you long term.
Let's just take that relatively mild Cat Scratch Fever:
Most people get exposed and do not suffer from it at all.
A very small sub-set get sick, mostly they recover.
So its a genetic condition and an environmental insult so far.
Then it continues to another environmental insult, a dietary insufficiency of a micronutrient and this condition is once again likely to be a rather rare event,
Then it takes time to have the parasite work its way to the brain,
Then there is a set of diffuse behaviors all linked to impulse control.
Then the victim has to survive his skydiving, speeding, gambling and assaultive behaviors.
IF money were spent addressing these things, events such as the Mandalay Bay Shooting might not take place, but its hard to predict any "return on the massive investment".
We have tests available but we do not use them.
What was the most monstrous act in the shooting? The cremation of the corpse and the failure to perform some esoteric but never the less relevant tests?
Quote: FleaStiffLet's just take that relatively mild Cat Scratch Fever:
Most people get exposed and do not suffer from it at all.
A very small sub-set get sick, mostly they recover.
So its a genetic condition and an environmental insult so far.
Then it continues to another environmental insult, a dietary insufficiency of a micronutrient and this condition is once again likely to be a rather rare event,
Then it takes time to have the parasite work its way to the brain,
Then there is a set of diffuse behaviors all linked to impulse control.
Then the victim has to survive his skydiving, speeding, gambling and assaultive behaviors.
IF money were spent addressing these things, events such as the Mandalay Bay Shooting might not take place, but its hard to predict any "return on the massive investment".
We have tests available but we do not use them.
What was the most monstrous act in the shooting? The cremation of the corpse and the failure to perform some esoteric but never the less relevant tests?
To what end? We know that the attack was planned. We know that he was mentally off for years leading up to the attack, with anti-social and protectionist behavior. He destroyed his computer and cell phones to eliminate traces.
The goal is to learn and prevent, but legislators don't have the chutzpah to prevent and hotels are not financially motivated to prevent people from bringing arms into their rooms.
To the goal of advancing the state of knowledge.Quote: boymimboTo what end?
>>>> We know that the attack was planned.
Most actions are.
He was always some sort of gun fancier but spent about a year on a massive weapons buying spree wherein the number and types of ordnance changed dramatically.
>>>>> We know that he was mentally off for years leading up to the attack, with anti-social and protectionist behavior
I'm not sure he should be described as 'off. He was unpleasant and at times obsessive. He was rude and arrogant.
>>>>>He destroyed his computer and cell phones to eliminate traces.
He did not want reporters prying into his affairs. Who would?
>>>>>The goal is to learn and prevent, but legislators don't have the chutzpah to prevent
I'm not sure a free society should be able to prevent this sort of stuff.
>>>>> and hotels are not financially motivated to prevent people from bringing arms into their rooms.
No they certainly are not we can only impose criminal liability on people who do so. Police in that famed two autopsy case wherein a bullet thru the hotel wall was totally missed went after the man who brought the gun into the hotel room, not his several friends who were drunkenly passing it around.
The Twinkie Defense may be a colorful term but in reality a Twinkie was simply evidence of behavior consistent with depression and I am proposing a short list of conditions consistent with cranial infestation of parasites: heightened sense of smell, decreased sex drive, intense fear of pathogens, thrill seeking behavior, increased violence.
Redacted autopsy reports released to media but hearing held on restricted use request from officer's widow.
Paddington's autopsy report and supporting data remain unreleased.
Died from self-inflicted gunshot.
Nothing unusual in the brain.
Low levels of anti-anxiety medication.
Some Valium.
Nothing else.
Where is it written that a mmj patient needs to surrender his guns?Quote: billryanPardon my rant, but it's mind boggling that you must surrender all your weapons to get a medical marijuana card,
Thanks. I have heard that, just haven't seen anyone quote the law that removes anyones 2nd amendment rights. I have a mmj card and asked specifically at a gun store before buying a pistol if it was legal to own a firearm. The salesperson assured me it was still legal as he also is a mmj card holder and a ccp holder and wearing a sidearm. I already had the mmj card when they ran the required check on me?Quote: billryan“Under federal law, a marijuana user cannot legally possess a firearm,” Lisa Meiman, a spokeswoman for the Denver division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told The Independent. Not even in Colorado where marijuana is legal to have and use.
I wouldn't have purchased a registered firearm if I had known it could be taken away for that reason. I have since sold it to my wife.
I've not found anything but the 'report' released.Quote: boymimboAutopsy data released.
Quote: billryanPardon my rant, but it's mind boggling that you must surrender all your weapons to get a medical marijuana card, but people with valium prescriptions face no obstacles buying vast amounts of guns and ammo.
That is really messed up,I agree with you. That's so backwards! :/
Most things about the law are "really messed up" particularly in this day and age of lobbyist driven legislation. America has always had great divisions in our legal philosophy particularly between rural and urban crime and most definitely in anything that involves drugs. Drug enforcement is a major driving force in our economy and a major emotional issue that keeps police salaries and staffing at astronomical levels.Quote: NathanThat is really messed up,I agree with you. That's so backwards! :/
Washington state has been charging parents with child abuse if there is marijuana use in the home despite just about every drug in the medicine cabinet and about half the cleaning products in the home being far more dangerous. No one really wants a rational enforcement policy, its just a quilt of special interests.
I've posted before about Alaska immediately post statehood when defendants could no longer be sent into the federal prison system but instead had to be warehoused in Walla Walla, Washington at 100,000 a year. Its the same way with pre trial release, forensic testing, plea bargaining. Its all driven by local fee structures and payrolls.
Quote: FleaStiffLet's just take that relatively mild Cat Scratch Fever:
Most people get exposed and do not suffer from it at all.
A very small sub-set get sick, mostly they recover.
So its a genetic condition and an environmental insult so far.
Then it continues to another environmental insult, a dietary insufficiency of a micronutrient and this condition is once again likely to be a rather rare event,
Then it takes time to have the parasite work its way to the brain,
Then there is a set of diffuse behaviors all linked to impulse control.
Then the victim has to survive his skydiving, speeding, gambling and assaultive behaviors.
IF money were spent addressing these things, events such as the Mandalay Bay Shooting might not take place, but its hard to predict any "return on the massive investment".
In both this shooting thread and in threads that deal with a genetic basis for risk-reward deficits, I've mentioned such subtle influences as parasites. In particular I've mentioned the example of a variety of parasites that infect a snail that would normally hide in the shade but cause it to sit exposed in the sunshine thus enhancing its likelihood of being eaten by a bird which is the parasite's desired host. Additional evidence has been recently submitted to the scientific community that the parasite manipulates the snail's processing of serotonin. So all those who suspect SSRIs of having adverse consequences may be on the right track. Its always been strange to me that medicine considers pathogens to have an effect on behaviors only in lower organisms.
Quote: petroglyphI have since sold it to my wife.
Curious, why would you have to "sell" it to her, why not just give it to her as a Birthday or Anniversary or Divorce gift?
Quote: petroglyphThanks. I have heard that, just haven't seen anyone quote the law that removes anyones 2nd amendment rights. I have a mmj card and asked specifically at a gun store before buying a pistol if it was legal to own a firearm. The salesperson assured me it was still legal as he also is a mmj card holder and a ccp holder and wearing a sidearm. I already had the mmj card when they ran the required check on me?
I wouldn't have purchased a registered firearm if I had known it could be taken away for that reason. I have since sold it to my wife.
Sherriff in Henderson has said he interprets the law so that no guns can be present in a domicile occupied by a Card Holder. He also claims that you can legally smoke only in a private house and its illegal to smoke in an apartment as you don't own it. He said he would operate under these principles until a court says otherwise.
Paper trailQuote: NokTangCurious, why would you have to "sell" it to her, why not just give it to her as a Birthday or Anniversary or Divorce gift?
It will take someone with a lot more legal horsepower than I, to do any fighting on principle.Quote: billryanSherriff in Henderson has said he interprets the law so that no guns can be present in a domicile occupied by a Card Holder. He also claims that you can legally smoke only in a private house and its illegal to smoke in an apartment as you don't own it. He said he would operate under these principles until a court says otherwise.
Quote: FleaStiffMGM released surveillance tape of Shooter checking in, taking elevators, playing video poker, etc. to the NY Times.
I wonder what the revised conspiracy theory is going to be.
Quote: TigerWuI wonder what the revised conspiracy theory is going to be.
Machines were too tight.
If odds were better in the casino...
If he wanted better video poker odds he could have gone elsewhere but Mandalay Bay is pretty much okay on its VP and its comp policy. I think the "elsewhere" he may have wanted was anywhere in town as long as it was fifteen years ago.Quote: rxwineMachines were too tight.
Conspiracy? Don't think there is any conspiracy. Except perhaps amongst the police to stonewall their incompetency.
Quote: BenjiexMedia need to create stories and twist it for the sake of art (fake news)
No need to do that.... the real news is even crazier.
Quote: rxwineWhat’s the basis of MGM paying out 800 million?
Quote: Howard Stutz, CDC Gaming
The total amount of the settlement depends on the number of claimants who choose to participate in the settlement, Eglet said. He added that the two-year statute of limitations expired this week, making it nearly impossible for any additional victims to file claims. Plaintiffs in the lawsuits included families of the 58 killed in the shooting, victims wounded by gunfire, and those suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and other mental anguish caused by the shooting.
He said there were 4400 parties to the lawsuit, consolidating 65 separate claims, and that MGM reported they were insured for 750 million in their quarterly company report.
So I don't know how it breaks out for each individual, but I can't imagine anyone will do better with the statue of limitations expiring. JMO, though.
Given the amount of claimants, and the lawyers taking their (probably huge but IDK) cut, and the survivors of those killed probably getting the largest pro rata share, it seems like a pretty small amount.
Maybe the lawyers took a flat fee or less than usual contingency for the quick settlement. Seems doubtful.
Quote: beachbumbabsHe said there were 4400 parties to the lawsuit, consolidating 65 separate claims, and that MGM reported they were insured for 750 million in their quarterly company report.
So I don't know how it breaks out for each individual, but I can't imagine anyone will do better with the statue of limitations expiring. JMO, though.
Given the amount of claimants, and the lawyers taking their (probably huge but IDK) cut, and the survivors of those killed probably getting the largest pro rata share, it seems like a pretty small amount.
Maybe the lawyers took a flat fee or less than usual contingency for the quick settlement. Seems doubtful.
I was actually asking what was the wrong doing claim against the MGM that justified the payout. Was it just based on a couple fumbles by security? I didn't find too much behavior unreasonable considering what they were dealing with. Yes they could have been prepared at the MGM like a trained anti-terrorist team, but was that really the expectation of a commercial property at that time?
What should the hotel have done differently?
Noted that he was a visitor to a country with high levels of parasites?
Noted that he was a drunkard and a mean drunk to boot?
Noted that he lied in depositions?
Noted he was weird?
Luggage? Rock stars often travel inside luggage. A multi-millionaire recently fled house arrest in Japan and made it to extradition-haven, Lebanon inside luggage.
Gun fancier? Heck, I know of people who collect Pez containers or license plates!
"The high-stakes gambler who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in modern America, killing 60 and injuring hundreds more in Las Vegas, was apparently angry over how the casinos were treating him despite his high-roller status, according to a fellow gambler."
"According to the gambler, casinos had previously treated high rollers like Paddock to free cruises, flights, penthouse suites, rides in “nice cars” and wine country tours. But in the years before the Oct. 1, 2017, mass shooting in Las Vegas, the gambler said casinos had begun banning some high rollers “for playing well and winning large quantities of money.” Paddock himself had been banned from three Reno casinos, according to the documents."
"Paddock, 64, was a video poker player who relied on gambling as his main source of income."
"...Paddock burned through more than $1.5 million, became obsessed with guns, and distanced himself from his girlfriend and family in the months leading up to the massacre."
Full Story at AP.
A) They were chasing losses on bad days.
B) Not every day had a positive play, so they play negatives ones over playing nothing.
I suspect that was the case with Paddock.
They probably cut off his free play.Quote: WizardI've seen it many times where a skilled AP turned to playing negative games because:
A) They were chasing losses on bad days.
B) Not every day had a positive play, so they play negatives ones over playing nothing.
I suspect that was the case with Paddock.
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Quote: WizardI've seen it many times where a skilled AP turned to playing negative games because:
A) They were chasing losses on bad days.
B) Not every day had a positive play, so they play negatives ones over playing nothing.
I suspect that was the case with Paddock.
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"B" is going to happen a lot because people will say to themselves "I gotta earn!" From just needing the cash to feeling unproductive the urge is hard to overcome.
He might've been upset that he was banned from a few casinos, but if he had been winning elsewhere he would not have cared. I think what happened is that he started to lose big in Vegas, and during that same period when he was dumping big in Vegas he might've had some wins in Reno and been banned, which would have really upset him that the few places where he happened to win during a losing streak were cutting him off.
He wasn't cut off from free play or comps, I know this for a fact because I know one of Paddock's hosts, who told me that the guy didn't ask for much and just played a lot, which is the story with a lot of high net worth slot players - they sit there in high limit pushing buttons to zone out, and just want to be taken care of, win or lose.
The difference is that Paddock had a screw loose and blamed the world for his downfall. It might've made more sense if he had gone into a casino and shot up staff, but as his brother mentioned, he thought that Paddock wanted to go down as the biggest mass shooter of all time, and he could not have accomplished that inside a casino.
