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boymimbo
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:08:43 AM permalink
Quote: Skeptic


The Washington Post lies, a lot. If you would've clicked the link to their source here is the first sentence:

"The Senate nixed an Obama-era rule that could block some people receiving Social Security disability benefits from being able to buy a gun. " http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/319640-senate-nixes-obama-era-gun-rule



Of course, you could have skipped to the second sentence in the article.
Quote: Same Hill Article, next sentence

"Senators voted 57-43 to strike down a regulation that requires the Social Security Administration to report people who receive disability benefits and have a mental health condition to the FBI's background check system. "


I think it's clear that striking down that law indeed "made it easier for mentally ill people to get guns" as the headline reported. Nice try.
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Skeptic
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:19:57 AM permalink
What it comes down to is freedom and one group wishing to define that freedom and force their own will onto others. What you describe is a very slippery slope. The segment screaming about preventing the "mentally ill" from owning guns are very eager to define mental illness as ideas they disagree with. Or voting for the wrong person. They don't see how convenient it is for them to advocate taking away freedoms that they don't personally partake in and how dangerous that is for the freedoms that they DO partake in. Again, why don't we ban casinos since that would have prevented this tragedy?

Everything that happened Sunday night was already against the law. Laws didn't stop it.
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Skeptic
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:21:55 AM permalink
The problem is that the Washington Post and people like you will quickly define voting for a Republican as a mental illness. Having the wrong ideas (ThoughtCrime) will become a mental illness.

This is how freedoms are taken away. Little by little. If the harcore Left were honest they'd just tell the truth: the want all guns everywhere banned. But they know they'll lose that fight so instead it's just a steady drip of incrementalism whose end goal is the same.
Neutrino
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:30:13 AM permalink
MGM stocks took a nosedive. Looks like vegas is going down for at least a short period of time
gordonm888
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:44:34 AM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

The problem is that the Washington Post and people like you will quickly define voting for a Republican as a mental illness. Having the wrong ideas (ThoughtCrime) will become a mental illness.



Exactly. Reference the CBS lawyer who said yesterday that we should not feel sorry for the victims of the Vegas shooting because they were country music fans and therefore probably Republicans. When the remark became public, CBS fired her (or terminated their contract with her) and disavowed her comment. But still, it shows that there are people with a legal background who think like that and talk like that.

"No Fly List" The problem with forbidding people on the no-fly list to own guns is that the "no-fly list" is an arbitrary list compiled by government administrators without any published rules/criteria as to why people are on the list. It gives too much power to anonymous bureaucrats in the Federal government without adequate protections from governmental abuse.
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October 3rd, 2017 at 7:46:16 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Democrats are pushing anti-gun agenda already. Too soon?

This is why I'm not a democrat though I suppose I lean left. I don't think gun laws would ever stop something like this from happening. If someone wants something like this to happen, there really isn't a great way to stop them. I, myself, for example have no criminal record and have not committed any crimes, yet if I wanted to go to a gun store and buy a gun that I could then take to a crowded place, what would stop me from doing that? And even if you had some delay for buying EVERY gun... what would stop me from taking it to a crowded place a week from now, or a month from now? NOTHING. You can't stop gun violence by attempting to restrict guns, unless you basically ban them all, and that will never work. This is sadly a side effect of being such a 'pro-gun' country. You have a lot of guns, in a lot of peoples hands... and just like anything else in our society... most are good people, but some are bad people. You can't magically predict when a good 'appearing' person will do something evil.

That all being said, it's been REALLY obvious through all of your posts what your rhetoric has been this entire thread, and it has had very little to do with the unfortunate event, showing signs of compassion and concern for others, or attempting to rebuild in a positive light. Your comments have been narrow minded, false facts, and trolling to push a false agenda in a massacre thread. You disgust me.
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lilredrooster
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October 3rd, 2017 at 8:41:59 AM permalink
if the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms is so sacrosanct and it means that as a nation we cannot restrict even the acquisition of very powerful semi automatic weapons that can discharge 60 rounds per minute then since the word arms does not necessarily mean guns then that would also mean that we would have to allow the acquisition by anybody with the means to do so of tanks, missiles, jet fighters, 10,000 pound bombs, even nuclear weapons. all of these devices fall under a broad definition of the word "arms." what's good for the goose is good for the gander. and we seem to be helpless to solve our problems because of the interpretation of this amendment. if we are determined to stay the course of inaction then it is a sure bet that there will be many more mass shootings and that they will occur soon and close to our homes. there is no constitutional right to safety and security. and under the status quo you can be sure that you and your family will never feel safe and secure.
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gordonm888
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October 3rd, 2017 at 8:45:32 AM permalink
Support for Romes' post above! I understand how much everyone in a city/region suffers when a terrible tragedy like this occurs, and in an ideal world this Forum would hang together for a day or two without acrimonous posts about gun control. We don't even yet know if any forum members were injured, or worse -hopefully the Wiz will continue to keep us informed.

Gun control is a difficult issue and I think there are intelligent, rational people on both sides. I also realize that there are irrational, combative people on both sides! Times like this reveal character and emotional intelligence. I encourage everyone to consider their posts in that light.
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Skeptic
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October 3rd, 2017 at 9:06:01 AM permalink
Automatic weapons are already tightly regulated - more regulated than virtually anything else in this country. It didn't prevent what happened Sunday night though.

You give yourself away a little by being against "semi-automatic weapons that can discharge 60 rounds per minute". There is no such thing unless you can pull the trigger twice per second for a full minute. It sure makes a great knee-jerk slogan to confuse people though, doesn't it? Virtually every gun made today other than revolvers and muzzle-loaders are semi-automatic. Muzzle loaders have no restrictions whatsoever - you can order one online right now and have it delivered to your door without any background checks whatsoever. You know good and well that once muzzle-loaders are all that's allowed the march to ban those will begin.
Mikey75
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October 3rd, 2017 at 9:19:24 AM permalink
This is off of the gun control debate but I seen something this morning that has me curious. I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. Let me get that out of the way before starting. I seen a video of a eye witness who was interviewed that stated multiple people where on the ground shooting into the crowd and following the crowd continuing to shoot.

I've never been apart of something this traumatic but I would think it would be really easy to get details confused during something like this. I did have a store robbed once and I can remember lots of details from that day. However I wasn't the one that had a gun held to their head. I wonder if the police really have suspicions of a addition shooter or shooters but aren't ready to say anything yet because of ongoing investigations.

I do know I listened into a police scanner while it was gong on and they where reporting shots at NY NY and a bomb at Luxor. Apparently none of that was true but it is strange that the news never even reported those suspicions.

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