SHOOTING at Mandalay festival

Quote: Skeptic

I saw those pictures to. Neither of those are bump stocks, by the way.

The gun in the first picture has a bump stock on it.

He probably did not break a beer bottle over the head of s trucker, grab his rig and drive through the crowd at eighty because that would not be a convenient way to do it at all.

It sure seems like we do not see mass killings perpetrated as frequently with means other than guns.

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I walked into a gun show in Portland, OR, bought a S&W Model 689 with stainless steel finish, presentation grip, recessed sights, for $200 and no paperwork.

Then he was a private seller, not a dealer. If it was a dealer then why didn't you report him? Are you aware of the felony you committed by participating in that transaction? Slippery slopes.

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Not a significant difference in fire rate between the kit fix and full auto, according to experts.

I am an expert and I can tell you unequivocally that that is a false statement. Full-auto is full-auto. A bump stock is not full-auto and besides it's a red herring. Installing any of the "kits" to convert a semi-auto to full-auto without the ATF checks and stamp is 10 years in prison when you're caught. The ATF does not F around with that. Full stop.

Again, given all of the laws that guy broke on Sunday night which new laws do you propose that would have prevented it? Anything else becomes political opportunism.

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The gun in the first picture has a bump stock on it.

On second look yes it is. The overlay threw me.

Quote: Romes

Who is going to keep the database of a HUNDRED MILLION individuals that you're stating now need to be tracked and have mental health checks EVERY year? Hell, a passport is good for 10 years. So in the time frame of 1 year, 5 years, or 10 years, someone could "lose it." Next, PEOPLE LIE. How hard would it have been for this guy to sit in a mental health exam and pass with flying colors? Sure, you might find one or two, but bad people don't go around on the streets telling everyone just how bad they are or what bad things they're planning on doing. People lie, all the time.

I never said all gun owners. I am talking about people who want to buy guns that are capable of say, a sustained shooting rate of over 30/minute or some other arbitrary number. We would want to exclude pretty much most handguns from the checks but still have the ability to remove their guns if a loved one or friend wanted to report their friend was contemplating suicide or have a mental health problem. You want to go out and buy a Glock with a 10 round magazine? Go for it. You want to buy 10 of them? Go for it. But if someone at your school or a friend or parent starts seeing you acting weird, I would want law enforcement be able to pay you a visit, do an evaluation, and take away your guns and prevent you from buying new ones.

You can't simply "lie" on a mental health test.

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What if that guy broke a beer bottle over a truckers head and stole his 18 wheeler and drove it through the crowd at 80 mph? Clearly dozens and dozens could be dead and hundreds injured all the same.

This action was done already in several European cities (Nice, France - 86 dead, 400+ injured) and is not new. And it will be done again.

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but we have pretty tight regulations on things. I thought it would be "cool" to get a suppressor for my pistol... Yeah, $2k and 6 months of background checks, waits, etc, etc, later I simply determined it's not worth it... and I just wanted it for a "cool" factor.

Yet the killer could go out and amass a collection of 40-something guns, legally. A "cool factor"?

Why is the homocide rate in the USA 23 times higher than Canada? Or 250 times higher than Swizterland, or 8 times higher than Jamaica?

What is your solution to the problem? Or is there no problem?

And it looks like casinos are already taking measures via metal detectors and luggage checks. I will not be surprised if all high rise hotels in tourist areas start to employ the same tactic. That prevents the "ban casinos" argument.

I suspect those measures are for appearances only and just temporary. Do you think they'll be wanding any whales?

Quote: boymimbo

And it looks like casinos are already taking measures via metal detectors and luggage checks. I will not be surprised if all high rise hotels in tourist areas start to employ the same tactic. That prevents the "ban casinos" argument.

After 9/11 at some casinos they had checkpoints at the entrance of the garage and they asked to look in your trunk, unless you were white, ok I'm just making that up, but they never asked to look in my trunk, they just looked at me and waved me though, maybe they just assumed a sports car wouldn't hold much in the trunk. I don't know how long that lasted, but it didn't seem like that lasted very long to me.

Quote: boymimbo

And it looks like casinos are already taking measures via metal detectors and luggage checks. I will not be surprised if all high rise hotels in tourist areas start to employ the same tactic. That prevents the "ban casinos" argument.

I never mind being checked. I've never understood people who complain when asked for ID to use there credit card. It's rarely asked for but I always gladly comply and even thank the person asking for ID. It's for my benefit that they ask.

I own several guns. I used to hunt a lot. Every gun I own has been purchased legally and with a background check. I haven't been hunting in several years and it's probably been four or five years since I have shot one of my guns. They stay locked up in the safe. I have often wondered if guns where totally banned if the government would know about the ones I have?

Quote: Skeptic

I suspect those measures are for appearances only and just temporary. Do you think they'll be wanding any whales?

He probably wasn't a whale, but he was probably considered a high-roller.

I noticed some show(it was playing in the background so I don't know what one it was) this morning was concerned if his room was comped or not. I have no idea what that really has to do with anything.

Quote: Mission146

...It sure seems like we do not see mass killings perpetrated as frequently with means other than guns.

Because, for now, an automatic riffle is one of the most convenient ways of doing it. We've all heard of the Oklahoma bombings though, right? There are other ways.

Quote: boymimbo

I never said all gun owners. I am talking about people who want to buy guns that are capable of say, a sustained shooting rate of over 30/minute or some other arbitrary number. We would want to exclude pretty much most handguns from the checks but still have the ability to remove their guns if a loved one or friend wanted to report their friend was contemplating suicide or have a mental health problem. You want to go out and buy a Glock with a 10 round magazine? Go for it. You want to buy 10 of them? Go for it. But if someone at your school or a friend or parent starts seeing you acting weird, I would want law enforcement be able to pay you a visit, do an evaluation, and take away your guns and prevent you from buying new ones...

So let's play that out. Say someone didn't like you, and knew you had a bunch of guns. They call in this "hotline" (and get/hire a dozen other people to do so) and state that they've driven by your house and you're shouting obscenities about killing crowds of people or that you're suicidal, or 1 of another million things. The hotline to the gov then comes to your house and confiscates all of your weapons while putting you under a 'mental health review.' Then, the person that doesn't like you walks up to your front door, with their gun(s), kicks your door in, and goes hog wild knowing you don't have any weapons to defend yourself? Or would the hotline to the gov not do anything? What if that was a REAL situation? Or is there a "special list" of trusted people that if THEY call the hotline then it means it's real?

Quote: boymimbo

You can't simply "lie" on a mental health test...

Any "test" or "check" where they ask you questions... Yes, yes you can. I could take a mental health test and deliberately pass it the first time, and fail it the second time. Like anything else, once it becomes main stream then people will post all about how to play it, beat it, etc, etc, just like most things in AP.

Quote: boymimbo

Yet the killer could go out and amass a collection of 40-something guns, legally. A "cool factor"?

I have no idea what "factor" led that person to collect that many guns. If they thought it was cool, then yes, the cool factor of being an american and owning a lot of guns, legally. We have NO IDEA why this person collected guns at this point in time, and neither do you. The fact that he had a lot doesn't mean anything. If you own a few boxes of tissue paper, could I consider you a chronic masturbater? You're drawing conclusions by comparing apples to oranges.

Quote: boymimbo

Why is the homocide rate in the USA 23 times higher than Canada? Or 250 times higher than Swizterland, or 8 times higher than Jamaica?

We both know the answer to that... Because america is a "gun" country... and I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. The 2nd amendment was to arm ourselves FROM THE GOVERNMENT, and americans have been so proud of their "freedom" from Brittan that owning a gun is considered a sign of that 2nd amendment, and an american value. Thus, more and more guns are put in to the population than other countries, and of course the statistical result would be that you see more and more deaths because of them. That's really just basic statistics.

Also, let's not forget the factor that we HEAR about more today because our country is more connected via technology. 30 years ago you wouldn't hear about every single homicide in america, let alone one that happened on the other side of the country from you. Today, you hear all about them, in grueling detail because the "media" enjoys the ratings they get from covering the s**t stories.

Quote: boymimbo

What is your solution to the problem? Or is there no problem?

I think it's rather evident that I think we're FAR from not having a problem. The issue I'm attempting to discuss is that at this point in time, there really isn't much we can do about it (as it relates to gun violence). We were founded as a gun country, and we are a gun country... Just watch how many politicians from EITHER SIDE try to go after taking guns away from ANYONE who legally owns them. No one will ever do that, not in a million years. Thus, the guns will never be removed from our society. Bad people will never be "entirely" removed from our society. If A=B, and B=C... then A=C. Simple as that.

I guess I could stick to addition too... Guns+BadPeople = Shooting Massacres.

The biggest point to make here is the simple change to that equation... (Killing Item) + (Bad People) = (Killing Item) Massacres.

Some of you pro-gun people who rely on data driven stats/ math in gambling know that gun groups have not supported proper research.

So, you should be ashamed.

You want to depend on logic bereft of the actual research. Fine. Just don't expect any respect for that.

The advances will come in technology: sniffing of various gun oils, scans that are unobtrusive, facial recognition (Venetian has a long aisle with several cameras focused on a certain location, so its like having six or eight views of a face, the computer can cut and paste a complete view). Sure there are confounders. Fig tree oil is common in casinos as is French fry oil, but electronic sniffers are already able to detect gun oils despite a bath of French fry oil. Is it fool proof? Ofcourse not. Nothing is. Nothing.

Anyone have further information as to when his rifle buying spree began??

Or what his wife was doing in Australia when he was in Nevada?

Quote: FleaStiff

The advances will come in technology: sniffing of various gun oils, scans that are unobtrusive, facial recognition (Venetian has a long aisle with several cameras focused on a certain location, so its like having six or eight views of a face, the computer can cut and paste a complete view). Sure there are confounders. Fig tree oil is common in casinos as is French fry oil, but electronic sniffers are already able to detect gun oils despite a bath of French fry oil. Is it fool proof? Ofcourse not. Nothing is. Nothing.

That's interesting. This might be something that we could implement. Then again, what would be the side effects of having a mechanical "sniffer?" I say that because look at the TSA and their illegal body scanner. In their fear given power to stare at our naked bodies we are now forced in to illegal searches of our persons. So I'm curious how this application would differ, or further our illegal searches. I'm all for it if somehow it only "sniffed" gun oil/residue and prompted a simple "please let us take a peek or you are free to leave."

Quote: FleaStiff

Or what his wife was doing in Australia when he was in Nevada?

THIS is one of the first things I thought of too. Seems far too coincidental that she'd be in another country (the best alibi ever) when her husband decides to go on a shooting spree... More definitely needs to be investigated here to turn up some facts/truths.

If you actually liked your wife, you'd send her on a vacation before killing everyone else.

Was it his wife or GF? I don't know if this is true but I thought it was reported that she is/was a host of some kind.

Quote: Mikey75

I do know I listened into a police scanner while it was gong on and they where reporting shots at NY NY and a bomb at Luxor. Apparently none of that was true but it is strange that the news never even reported those suspicions.

I was watching the news from midnight - 7 am PT, and Live TV did report "active shooters" at multiple casinos. Theories and false info were all over the early reports, and it was probably even crazier in the two hours before I started watching.

One expert interviewed explained that bad info from the public happens at all catastrophes (even without social media).

By the time I started watching at midnight, reporters were debunking some of the bad info (aka early theories, false reports) on social media. In the first official police announcement (around 1:30 am - 2:00 am, every 2 hrs afterwards), the speaker (police chief?) also debunked a few social media theories.

Quote: AxelWolf

Was it his wife or GF? .

You are quite correct. It was long term girl friend. Wonder if she trekked to Australia to become a casino host and leave him? Well how is that for inventing things out of thin air?

Accountant, auditor, letter carrier, government contract auditor, .... those are supposed to be the types who look at their shoes when they meet someone. (No, don't bother flaming me, that was a joke I just heard on TV).

Any one know when the gun buying started or was the brother simply unaware of a persisting interest in massive firepower.

I sure hope his brain is intact. Swat is taught to go for Central Mass rather than the head.

As for a sniffer yeah there is always the chance of someone's salami sandwich triggering it but if the device is small and cheap, then false positives can be dealt with. Heck, any checkpoint is often going to have gun oil from the guard's own weapon

Remember the tourist the secret service pulled out of the line for a white house tour and questioned about recent medical treatment... he was slightly radioactive but it was enough to trigger the hidden device. Not a terrorist just a guy who had been given radioactive thyroid chemicals for a medical test a few days before.

If only the guy had left a suicide note...

Quote: Romes

So let's play that out. Say someone didn't like you, and knew you had a bunch of guns. They call in this "hotline" (and get/hire a dozen other people to do so) and state that they've driven by your house and you're shouting obscenities about killing crowds of people or that you're suicidal, or 1 of another million things. The hotline to the gov then comes to your house and confiscates all of your weapons while putting you under a 'mental health review.' Then, the person that doesn't like you walks up to your front door, with their gun(s), kicks your door in, and goes hog wild knowing you don't have any weapons to defend yourself? Or would the hotline to the gov not do anything? What if that was a REAL situation? Or is there a "special list" of trusted people that if THEY call the hotline then it means it's real?

That is a unrealistic scenario and I would rather have that happen in a blue moon than have 20,000 people commit suicide with a firearm every year. I admire your imagination though.

Quote: Romes

Any "test" or "check" where they ask you questions... Yes, yes you can. I could take a mental health test and deliberately pass it the first time, and fail it the second time. Like anything else, once it becomes main stream then people will post all about how to play it, beat it, etc, etc, just like most things in AP.

If you've taken any real mental health tests administered by a professional like I have you know that lying on them doesn't work. They don't ask questions like "Do you have suicidal thoughts?" They ask far less obvious questions in a long series designed to detect when you are being inconsistent.

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Could I consider you a chronic masturbaters.

How'd you know? What is chronic?

Quote: Romes

We both know the answer to that... Because america is a "gun" country...

Nations can change identities. The NRA has successfully infiltrated the government to the point where it has become an "extreme" gun country where laws have been changed and relaxed to allow people to buy whatever they want and that no laws preventing gun violence have been passed at the federal level since the Brady Bill and prevented the CDC from doing any research on guns. And the federal government has passed gun laws over the years that are still in effect.

The point is, of course, is that governments can change culture. It is in the nation's best interest that people live. Smoking by far is the best example. For many years smoking was seen as cool. Then, as evidence mounted, smoking became uncool. Did the government decide to bend to the smoking lobby and not put out warning labels and advertisements against cigarettes?

Given all of the mass shootings, the suicides, and the rise in gun violence per capita over the years, perhaps it is time to change the culture. This can be accomplished. If people decide to go down this route then yes, there will be plenty of resistance but I feel that it will be for the good of the nation.

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Also, let's not forget the factor that we HEAR about more today because our country is more connected via technology.

Fact is that the number of homicides and suicides by guns have been going up (like our global temperature) year after year and the number of gun-related homicides is related to availability of weapons.

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The issue I'm attempting to discuss is that at this point in time, there really isn't much we can do about it (as it relates to gun violence).

America also couldn't send a man to the moon 50 years ago. I'm more hopeful than that.

Quote: Neutrino

MGM stocks took a nosedive. Looks like vegas is going down for at least a short period of time

Down only 5.3% since Monday's opening. I'd call it a good buying opportunity.

Quote: Wizard

Down only 5.3% since Monday's opening. I'd call it a good buying opportunity.

That was my thought as well. Good time to purchase.

What gun control advocates always fail to talk about or realize is that most if not all of these mass shootings happen in a GUN-FREE zone. So much for having gun control when these mass shootings are happening in a gun controlled gun free environment. Hmm, how coincidental.

This all harbors back on the common sense point i made before that gun control wont help one bit, but rather just hurt law abiding innocent americans from protecting themselves. Yeah, lets just have an out of control over-reaching government and lunatics with the only acess to guns. Police state anyone? History tells you that. Yeah thats the ticket. Its like people have no idea of historical facts.

I bet many here also support socialism, probably the same people in support of gun control, when history clearly shows us that socialism NEVER worked and NEVER will work. Our founding fathers knew to stay far away from failed systems such as democracy and socialism. Democracy leads to socialiam and socialism leads to communism.

Oh and for the uneducated on this board thinking we live in a democracy, please dont show your ignorance. We live in a constitutional republic with the rule of law from elected statesmen that we the people elect which is far different than just having a popular vote among the public on which law to pass; with the latter leading to eventual mob rule and further corruption from bureaucrats.

The problem with 99% of this country's population is no one understands that. They think we live under some type of dictatorship and you know how i know that? Just look at the federal election every 4 years and the attention it gets and i also blame the media for this subconscious effect it has on uneducated people to make it think the president is some kind of dictator that rules all.

Do people not realize, the people theyre electing in their state are far more important than a president who has very limited and enumerated powers over them? Of course they dont, cause many, especially my age dont have one clue about the constitution, let alone the specific clauses in there. They are swayed by misleading tv media and fear rather than reading supreme court decisions and actual facts. They dont even have a clue of what the Federalist Papers or even Madisons' notes even are.

These state elected representatives will affect 95% of your life and are also the ones who will be representing your state in congress when it comes to passing a new law. Yea guess what? Presidents dont make the laws, congress rules this country, and guess whos in congress? Your state elected representatives that eventually get picked to go to the Senate and the House. So why are we focusing so much on which puppet president we want every 4 years. Simple, people are vastly uneducated about our constitution, the single best document ever created in this world that truly freed the people.

The problem is, if people dont know their rights or even more imprtantly, dont know the restricted powers the government has over them, you have NO RIGHTS and the constitution is useless, which is why this country is headed towards communism. You even have past Presidents like Bush now saying the constitution is just a piece of paper LOL. And guess what? Hes right, because 99% of citizens dont even know whats written in there and you can blame government agenda based schools and bullshit TV distractions about what celebrities are doing on the daily.

Presidents and the federal govt do have their purpose and an important purpose i might add, such as foreign relations and military war efforts, but these are things that will really never affect you in your lifetime other than media scares saying were going to get nuked etc.

Sorry for the political tangent, but i had to get this across.

Is anyone seriously suggesting that the government should administer greater than 50 million mental health evaluations to gun owners? Its not going to happen. You might as well throw a rock at the moon and try to knock it from the sky.

There really is not anything that is called a "mental health test". There are eyesight tests and pregnancy tests -but mental health evaluations are usually one or multiple interviews that are performed by PhD psychiatrists. These are effective at screening out people with obvious psychological pathologies that render them dysfunctional but they are not effective at detecting the subtle type of sociopathologies that seem to underly mass shooting.s . Additionally, the track record is that on many cases different psychiatrists will disagree -and no one will claim that that that there would not be an enormously high fraction of false negatives and false positives. Psychiatry is not like radiation detection or pregnancy testing -it is not an exact science.

Also, this would not be cost effective, given the large number of people who buy guns and the various checks and balances and appeal processes the government would need to build into such a system.

And what would we be moving towards? A government that performs mental health evaluations on most of its citizens? And then decides what they can and can't do? Really? Land of the free and home of the brave?

Quote: boymimbo

Why is the homocide rate in the USA 23 times higher than Canada? Or 250 times higher than Swizterland, or 8 times higher than Jamaica?

What is your source for those figures?

The murder rate in the US is three times higher than the Canadian murder rate. Not 23.

The murder rate in the US is seven times higher than the Swiss murder rate. Not 250.

The murder rate in the US is one-ninth the Jamaican murder rate. Not eight times higher.

Wikipedia

United Nations

Murders per 100,000:

U.S.A. 4.88
Canada 1.66
Switzerland 0.69
Jamaica 43.21

Facts are good !

I don't think there's a good strong thing that can be done to "fix" the problem. Too much of what maybe should be done also falls in line with what shouldn't be done. On one hand, mental health evaluations maybe should be done to keep guns from those who are mentally unstable. But at the same time, it shouldn't be done because that's also a slippery slope. First it's "these select people can't be trusted", which is fine on the surface. But then it gets worse and worse when the shootings don't decline or start declining slowly. The left will say either, "It's not working, we have to be harder on gun control!" or "See, it is working, but not well enough, we have to be stronger on gun control!"

So then the requirement to not be allowed to own a gun goes from having mental problems to something more general, like now you have to do well on a mental examination test where you are strong mentally (instead of average mentally) to pass.


Considering the left's ultimate goal is to ban all guns, it's very much a slippery slope. Once you start going down the path of gun control, you're never going to go in the opposite direction towards more freedom.

It's not a general gun ban that would work. Now banning guns from most men probably would make a difference as it's mainly men causing all the useless carnage.

Especially men that go on about how they need a gun.

The guy was playing at the Cosmo 5 years ago. He was involved in a bogus slip and fall case. He allegedly said there was a wet spot on floor and was wearing flip flops at the time. The casino footage is posted online. There are also pictures of his girlfriend in front of the $300,000 Vegas Vice Slot Tournament at Mandalay. There are also pictures of her participating in the tournament. He probably had her play his entry. He also was a 7 Stars player. It's funny how clueless the news media is when it comes to gambling. They think he played table games. They don't have any concept of video poker or how to explain it. He played $25 video poker maybe even higher than that at times. $50K credit line at several casinos and had over $150K in CTR's recently.

Now they are reporting he was letter carrier and an IRS agent. His brother said he made him wealthy. Still don't understand how he made all this money in real estate. Was he flipping houses. I sure eventually all the information will come out about his true net worth. It was reported he wired $100K to his girlfriend in the Philippines. He might have stashed a lot of cash in different places that investigators will never find. I also wonder how the law treats his money. Does his brother end up with it or do the victims families who will sue for wrongful death.

Quote: boymimbo

Discuss.

Man, don't they make you people take citizenship tests? j/k, of course ;) Thanks for getting a productive convo going, as always.

I've not the time or clear head to get into it too much, but my opening joke comes from the fact that many of your suggestions would be illegal to implement. Any mandate that occurs in the home, from safes to trigger locks to mandatory Condition 4 (open and empty) all can only be determined by visual inspection. The 4th Amendment includes language that prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. 5-0 has no more right to enter your property to check your weapon than they do to crawl into your garage to check your car's inspection. It's an illegal act. In order to implement most of your list, you have to impose some clause that exercising your 2nd forfeits your 4th, which would be a harder row to hoe than nixing the 2nd by itself. A valiant effort, but apparently flawed from where I sit.

Your training stuff I dig. I'd enjoy it even more so because it would create an industry, make this stuff available, and this stuff is what I like to do anyway. The problem is it mirrors the Left's voter ID argument. These classes, even the god awful, mandatory "training lite" we have to do, are over $100. A quality beginner course is more than double, and we're talking 4 figures for advanced. We have people griping about infringement and unconstitutionality over a $10 state ID, much luck to you enacting one a minimum 10 times that.

I hope to tackle the rest (and more) when I'm less pressed for time.

Perhaps his motive was partly to get revenge on the MGM holdings in general. Maybe he was feeling as though he had been treated unfairly???

The reason this seems a little bit plausible is because the MGM is going to held partially responsible for all of the injured/dead.
Meaning the injured and families of the dead will be suing the hell out of the MGM.

In an effort to put a human face on the story, I was caught by surprised to see someone I know, Heather Gooze, on the CBS Evening news this evening. Here is a link to her piece: Bartender describes Vegas shooting victim's final moments.

If Heather looks familiar, I interviewed her at the Cutting Edge table game show in 2015 on how to play her game Texas Switch.

The shooters brother said that he moved to Nevada to gamble. He also said that he only played certain video poker machines (superior payables I assume) on point multiplier days when there was another promotion on top of all that, like a car give away. How is it possible that no one here recognises him? That sounds like exactly what a good number of you guys do. I'm starting to suspect that some of this back story is crap.

All I really want to know now is what was written on that paper.

BTW... I think Romes is making the most reasonable statements on gun control.

Last but not least... I'm praying for you guys in Las Vegas. (That's what we do in the Midwest)

Quote: prozema

The shooters brother said that he moved to Las Vegas to gamble. He also said that he only played certain video poker machines (superior payables I assume) on point multiplier days when there was another promotion on top of all that, like a car give away. How is it possible that no one here recognises him?

I hadn't seen anything that said he lived in Las Vegas.

Quote: Tanko

What is your source for those figures?

The murder rate in the US is three times higher than the Canadian murder rate. Not 23.

The murder rate in the US is seven times higher than the Swiss murder rate. Not 250.

The murder rate in the US is one-ninth the Jamaican murder rate. Not eight times higher.

Wikipedia

United Nations

Murders per 100,000:

U.S.A. 4.88
Canada 1.66
Switzerland 0.69
Jamaica 43.21

Well, that's easy. I'm wrong. I was reading the total figure, not the rate.

Quote: DRich

I hadn't seen anything that said he lived in Las Vegas.

You are right... The article said mesquite NV. Let me see if I can fix my original post. Maybe I just assumed it was for proximity to Las Vegas.

After fixing my OP, I will be heading to VP Free to check payables in mesquite.

Quote: prozema

How is it possible that no one here recognises him?

Guess he really was low-profile if he was in the casinos a lot.

Some casino host who has dealt with him enough to recognize him might be currently conferring with law enforcement and was told not to go public yet.

Quote: prozema

The shooters brother said that he moved to Las Vegas to gamble. He also said that he only played certain video poker machines (superior payables I assume) on point multiplier days when there was another promotion on top of all that, like a car give away. How is it possible that no one here recognises him? That sounds like exactly what a good number of you guys do.

He sounds like a smart guy. Wouldn't surprise me if he is the mad genius type. I don't want to name names, but I think many on this forum fit that description to some degree.

That is exactly how I play too. It is common knowledge that you can't beat video poker straight up any more but you need to double and triple dip on promotions and incentives to beat the game overall. A reporter from Seattle just wrote to me wanting to interview me on the topic.

I bet I've seem this guy several times but never spoke. A friend of mine claims he's seen him at video poker drawings at the Mandalay at the same time I was a very heavy player there. Still, I absolutely don't recognize him. He looks like the type that just blends in, which is valuable as an AP.

Quote: Wizard

It is common knowledge that you can't beat video poker straight up any more but you need to double and triple dip on promotions and incentives to beat the game overall. A reporter from Seattle just wrote to me wanting to interview me on the topic.

I'll cover the video poker questions on Reddit while you cover the reporter from Seattle. :)

Quote: Wizard

I bet I've seem this guy several times but never spoke. A friend of mine claims he's seen him at video poker drawings at the Mandalay at the same time I was a very heavy player there. Still, I absolutely don't recognize him. He looks like the type that just blends in, which is valuable as an AP.

I used to play a lot of the Mandalay Bay invited tournament 5 to 10 years ago but he doesn't look familiar to me.

Quote: Romes

Because, for now, an automatic riffle is one of the most convenient ways of doing it. We've all heard of the Oklahoma bombings though, right? There are other ways.

These kinds of arguments are pretty poor.

The autist in sandy hook grabbed the weapon his mom kept for hobby purposes.

It's silly to assume he would have rented a truck and made a fertilizer bomb if she only had a hunting rifle. Or no gun.

Also, didn't they tighten up the laws after okc? I guess that was a waste of time. Why not sell TNT at 7-11?

If someone looses their mind with their spouse it will be physically and psychologically easiest to kill them with a gun.

Suicide is easiest with a gun.

Having more efficient killing devices floating around means more people will be killed. It's fairly obvious. If that is not true, then all weapons should be available to anyone at any time. This guy should have been able to get an m-60. What's the difference?

The question is, are the extra deaths worth it? And what level of arms does the constitution guarantee, like it or not?

On the other hand, I think we clearly have a right to own some types of guns. I'm not sure how we can just decree that someone who has mental health issues for a time, or someone who the government puts on a list, shall be stripped of their constitutional rights.

Quote: Face

I've not the time or clear head to get into it too much, but my opening joke comes from the fact that many of your suggestions would be illegal to implement.

Feds passed the Patriot Act which violates the 4th. I agree that the storage laws would not be possible to enforce, but certainly if a kid hurts himself with a gun that should have been locked one could find the parent liable for manslaughter. And I am not talking about police being allowed in the home for inspections, at all.

The mental health checks for large weapons (I am not talking about handguns but the larger guns) I think makes sense. If you are going to purchase a WMD with a large capacity magazine and a long range, then the onus should be on you to prove that you're man enough to responsibly handle it. You wanna buy a 10 mag handgun for defence or a hunting rifle for shooting deer, I think that's fine. Otherwise, registration, licensing, and mental health exams for the AR-45 owners and those who want a large arsenal in their home.

Quote: Face

In order to implement most of your list, you have to impose some clause that exercising your 2nd forfeits your 4th, which would be a harder row to hoe than nixing the 2nd by itself. A valiant effort, but apparently flawed from where I sit.

Agreed. For a mental health issue however I think public safety trumps 2nd amendment and certainly laws have been passed to prevent classes of people to bear arms (felons and children for example). This can be extended to mental health issues. You can start with the biggest weapons and the most obvious people: take away guns from anyone with active addiction and mental health issues for starters, and build on that.

Quote: Face

Your training stuff I dig. I'd enjoy it even more so because it would create an industry, make this stuff available, and this stuff is what I like to do anyway. The problem is it mirrors the Left's voter ID argument. These classes, even the god awful, mandatory "training lite" we have to do, are over $100. A quality beginner course is more than double, and we're talking 4 figures for advanced. We have people griping about infringement and unconstitutionality over a $10 state ID, much luck to you enacting one a minimum 10 times that.

Having a right to vote is different than being trained to have the ability to use a piece of high-powered weaponry. For responsible gun owners knowing how to use your weapon and knowing gun safety might save another family member's life because for example, you learned stats about gun suicides or learned to keep your ammo out of your gun..

Would you want to live next door to someone who owns 40+ high-powered weapons in their home? I guess the answer is "depends who it is". I would want that person to be not suffering from delusions, not depressed, and not a psychopath. Yes, I would want them to be screened for mental health and addictions, and I would want that to happen frequently. I think that a mental health exam (particularly a PCL-R which screens very effectively for psychopathy) might have caught this person. It doesn't mean he would not have been able to amass a dozen guns and tons of ammo illegally, but it would have made it more difficult to go to a gun shop and legally purchase a weapon. It might have even got him into a mental health program which might have resulted in a better outcome for all.

When you think about it, a sane person does not amass 40+ weapons, drive to Las Vegas, and execute mass killing. This is not someone who "lost it". This person would have failed a mental health exam administered by a professional and likely would have found some other way to commit carnage that would have taken a lesser number of lives. Maybe I'm wrong.

Quote: Rigondeaux

I'm not sure how we can just decree that someone who has mental health issues for a time, or someone who the government puts on a list, shall be stripped of their constitutional rights.

Once again, let's start with those who are already in the system and having a condition that can be a threat to themselves or others: delusional behavior/schizophrenia, major depression, bi-polar disorders, psychosis, drug addiction, etc. Because they are a threat to themselves or others they should not own a gun.

Let's move on to a mental health diagnosis for those who can buy automatics that can shoot 30 or more rounds a minute or whatever you want to characterize as a WMD. They have to obtain a mental health certificate in order to purchase one of these types of weapons from a gun dealer. It could be as simple as "show me an unexpired mental health certificate", and I am guessing it would be enacted at the state level rather than the federal level. Because someone who does not have a certificate can still go out and purchase lesser arms (handguns, hunting rifles, etc) it would not break your 2nd amendment rights. You just can't go and purchase a WMD, just like there are weapons you can't buy today (tanks, machine guns, missiles) or guns that you couldn't buy for 10 years (the assault weapons ban). Hell, throw a training certificate into the requirements too for the WMDs. Now, after that certificate expires, it becomes more difficult for police to go and get your guns without a registry which I don't think will be possible. So make it illegal to use the guns at gun ranges without the certificate, and allow police to arrest you if you get caught carrying one of these WMDs without the valid mental health certificate.

And let's close the ability to circumvent background checks on all weapons and prosecute intensely illegal gun sales. I don't know what that means, but that could be only selling weapons through brokers who can conduct checks on the buyer's behalf for all "private" sales.

In that scenario it seems that you are conceding that, while we have a constitutional right to regular pistols and rifles, we do not have one to the military type weapons. Otherwise the mentally ill are being deprived of their rights.

In that case, why permit them at all?

Also, I think this guy might have passed a mental health evaluation.

Quote: Wizard

He sounds like a smart guy. Wouldn't surprise me if he is the mad genius type. I don't want to name names, but I think many on this forum fit that description to some degree.

Thank you but I'm still alive

Actually, the NY Safe ACT (which I know Face detests) does all of the above, and was ruled constitutional despite challenges in state and federal courts.

- bans assault weapons with more than one military feature
- limits the magazine cap to 10 (was 7)
- background checks for ammo dealers (but you can loophole via the internet) and of course gun sales.
- mental health permit system in place (mental health certificates can send notification to county officials who then can take away your guns), also constitutional
- safe storage provisions for those in homes with convicted felons or with domestic assault convictions (penalty is a misdemeanor)
- tougher penalties for violators

So there are tough laws in place in some states, and they are constitutional.

Quote: AxelWolf

He probably wasn't a whale, but he was probably considered a high-roller.

I noticed some show(it was playing in the background so I don't know what one it was) this morning was concerned if his room was comped or not. I have no idea what that really has to do with anything.

I had asked about the room(suite actually) being comped a few pages back. No one has replied and I've not seen it reported on. The conclusion one reaches is this is being hidden from the public. Why we then ask...and it's quite obvious to us..MGM wants that aspect hidden due to liability concerns or PR. It has also been reported that he checked in using his girlfriend's ID? That makes little sense. As the old saying goes, "follow the money" and it applies here. We now read he wired $100,000.usd to the Philippines, to the GF we must assume. In the same story there is a photo of the killer in the PI at her families home eating like dogs off a table without utensils and what looks like bamboo leaves being used as a cover for the table. So this type of impoverished family or GF is getting $100,000.usd wired to her?

So back to the question, was the suite comped or not? It tells us a lot about the killer and MGM. That's why we, some of us, want to know.

Quote: NokTang

So back to the question, was the suite comped or not? It tells us a lot about the killer and MGM.

How does that tell us a lot about the killer?