SHOOTING at Mandalay festival
I can see someone paying off a significant other just to get rid of them and not have to deal with them anymore.
Quote: NokTangYes of course I get your drift. However, I think you under estimate the extent of my experience with them from an Americans perspective, American culture, American family, basically from an American exposed to this unique culture and place called the Philippines and how it's people act outside their country in SEA.
I think you under estimate forum members experience with them from an American perspective
I am very familiar with many people from the Philippines. I have a cousin that married a girl from the Philippines.
I'm an American living in America that was born in Asia and have many Asian relatives and have visited multiple countries in Asia.
I have been exposed to many different cultures in Asia
The people that live in the Philippines are normal people.
Sure they have some crazy people but no more then any other group in Asia
Quote: terapinedI think you under estimate forum members experience with them from an American perspective
I am very familiar with many people from the Philippines. I have a cousin that married a girl from the Philippines.
I'm an American living in America that was born in Asia and have many Asian relatives and have visited multiple countries in Asia.
I have been exposed to many different cultures in Asia
The people that live in the Philippines are normal people.
Sure they have some crazy people but no more then any other group in Asia
Thank for the well reasoned intelligent opinion without the need to resort to name calling and labeling of me. You may be correct as well. Cheers mate.
Quote: MrV
No, I suspect it is your personal prejudices as opposed to empirical evidence which induces you to make such race-based assertions.
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Umpteen hordes of American men have married filipinas, either after meeting them while serving overseas or through an online match / dating site, and I never have read or heard anything from them which would support your claim.
More personal attacks. Now your saying I'm prejudice against Filipinos, when in fact I love talking to them and being their friend as I am and have been in the past. One even proposed to me and asked when support(financial) could begin...(2nd date!) I also don't consider them a "race", why do "you white people" come up with that?
Serving overseas and meeting someone and falling love with her vs desperate searches online/dating sites could be discussed but it might bore people and be off topic. In Thailand that's just prostitution.
Hardly.
Like you, I call it as I see it.
You think he may have gone postal due to having a relationship with a filipina; I say B.S., filipinas are no more likely to foment murderous intent than are Quakers.
Quote: MrV"Personal attacks?"
Hardly.
" I suspect it is your personal prejudices as opposed to empirical evidence which induces you to make such race-based assertions."
I call this a personal attack, not calling something as you see it. You and others can be the judge and as indicated to someone, I don't fall for that Democratic left wing attack style. Now the right wing is going back and attacking former President Clinton to distract away from the Alabama senatorial mess. It's all fun for you people who like to use such a style but those us wanting to just enjoy the rest of our short lives, not so fun.
Not saying Filipino's foment murderous intentions, just once again saying that based on my extensive experience in these matters, an American with this guy's apparent disposition and personality might have gone mad/insane because of his "girlfriend" and proceeded to plan and executed this wicked shooting. That in no way makes her responsible. OO
I don't know you, the person: I am not attacking YOU.
I only know what you post.
It is your "filipina belief system" that I am critical of, a thought you think highly enough of to publish for all to read and comment upon.
How do you interpret me questioning your "personal prejudices" as being an attack on your person?
Note: under forum rules, my comments are permitted.
OK, we made our points: let's move on.
The floodgates are opening: see: here come the lawsuits
Quote: AxelWolfShe may have drove him nuts (I highly doubt that's the reason he did what he did). I think it's possible he may have given her that 100k to keep her mouth shut about all the guns he was buying and anything else she may have known about him.
I can see someone paying off a significant other just to get rid of them and not have to deal with them anymore.
I did that. Worked reasonably well.
Quote: AxelWolf
I can see someone paying off a significant other just to get rid of them and not have to deal with them anymore.
I think that is called divorce.
Good grief, talk about grasping at straws / throwing mud to see what will stick.
This hare-brained notion presupposes that a mass shooting such as unfolded was reasonably foreseeable, and that counter-measures should have been in place.
Sure, and by that thinking, MGM should have sophisticated early warning radar and beam weapons or missiles on site to obliterate any oncoming meteorites which would otherwise slam into the casino.
Quote: NokTangYes of course I get your drift. However, I think you under estimate the extent of my experience with them from an Americans perspective, American culture, American family, basically from an American exposed to this unique culture and place called the Philippines and how it's people act outside their country in SEA. We still don't know what happened to the reported 100,000.USD he sent her just prior to the act of mass killing. Has she given the money back? You let us know okay..thanks. One isolated experience was meeting a Filipino girlfriend in Subic Bay. She checked into my hotel before I got there. I arrived in the early evening. She had every light on in the room including opening the refrigerator door so that light would be on. I asked about it, "why?". She said she was afraid of ghost.
(1) It's still your perspective, doesn't make it true.
(2) Why would she have to do anything with the money, it is not a proceed of crime.
(3) Phobias and psychiatric disorders are endemic of all people, not just Filipinos.
Quote: FleaStiffMad? As in insane? No. He had a goal, he worked towards it is a sensible, dedicated manner. He was aware of his surroundings and the consequences of what he was about to do. He CHOSE to do this there was no compulsion or delusions involved.
Are you implying that committing mass murder is done with a sane normal functioning mind?
Just because one has just enough grasp of reality to buy weapons and claim his comp room does not make him any more sane.
His conduct was not of a person in complete touch with reality and for however long he was able to function in his world of reality floating in our reality..
Which certainly does not resemble mine and hopefully not yours either.
Take care.
I sometimes wonder.Quote: sammydvWhich certainly does not resemble mine and hopefully not yours either.
Quote: sammydvAre you implying that committing mass murder is done with a sane normal functioning mind?
Often, yes.
Soldiers / pilots are awarded medals for killing massive amounts of "the enemy," and they're all "sane" at the time they kill.
Their kills are sanctioned; Paddock's were not.
Why would only one class of killer be presumed "sane?"
The dead are all still dead and in no position to draw a distinction.
This was a hit on American's rights. Just think about it for a second. Don't you think if all these psycho's main goals were to kill loads of people, they wouldn't just have thrown grenades into a crowd or done massive explosions in a highly populated area? Why is it always gun related? Simple, because these wealthy banksters who are the true rulers of this country want to abolish the right to bear arms and hope they can scare Congress into passing some legislation to do so. This would lead to having all innocent americans without any way to protect themselves. The result would be only the gov't as well as the supposed 'crazies' having guns and innocent Americans left for dead. That's if these 'crazies' even exist, because I believe these people are actually instructed by elite insiders to carry out a gun related act to perpetrate the agenda. The gov't will be the only one with guns creating the inevitable police state that these bankers want. They already destroyed our financial privacy with the war on terror excuse after 9/11 and now once they get rid of all our guns, the new world order will almost be complete. If 9/11 truly was about being safe from terror, why didn't we close all of our borders immediately? Instead we pass intrusive laws to destroy our privacy in more ways than I can count. Hmm.
Within the next 100-200 years we will all be micro chipped and all cash will also cease to exist. Everything that you do in life will be tracked by the chip and all privacy will be permanently destroyed. Wake up kids, this is an ongoing hit on American's rights. America is the last country in the world with freedom thanks to the brilliant Constitution in place, but because everyone is so uneducated and no one knows anything about our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions etc, our Constitution will soon cease to exist as well as whatever freedom we still have.
Quote: ZenKinG
Within the next 100-200 years we will all be micro chipped and all cash will also cease to exist. Everything that you do in life will be tracked by the chip and all privacy will be permanently destroyed. Wake up kids, this is an ongoing hit on American's rights. America is the last country in the world with freedom thanks to the brilliant Constitution in place, but because everyone is so uneducated and no one knows anything about our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions etc, our Constitution will soon cease to exist as well as whatever freedom we still have.
So does this mean load up on DOGEcoin? I'm ready for the financial apocalypse
Quote: ZenKinGThis was an inside job done by the wealthy international elite bankers who are the true rulers of this country and the world. It's that simple.
Bwah ha ha ha!
The bankers did it, eh?
All Jews no doubt, eh?
Wow.
Just wow.
Quote: MrVBwah ha ha ha!
The bankers did it, eh?
All Jews no doubt, eh?
Wow.
Just wow.
Not all bankers are Jews. Obviously they are going to need some goyim for scapegoats.
Quote: ZenKinGThis was an inside job done by the wealthy international elite bankers who are the true rulers of this country and the world. It's that simple. These elite bankers have been trying to destroy American's rights for over a century now dating back to 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was passed, which was the turning point that basically destroyed this country's wealth and caused massive inflation turning the country from being the wealthiest and strongest nation in the world to the worlds biggest debtor.
This was a hit on American's rights. Just think about it for a second. Don't you think if all these psycho's main goals were to kill loads of people, they wouldn't just have thrown grenades into a crowd or done massive explosions in a highly populated area? Why is it always gun related? Simple, because these wealthy banksters who are the true rulers of this country want to abolish the right to bear arms and hope they can scare Congress into passing some legislation to do so. This would lead to having all innocent americans without any way to protect themselves. The result would be only the gov't as well as the supposed 'crazies' having guns and innocent Americans left for dead. That's if these 'crazies' even exist, because I believe these people are actually instructed by elite insiders to carry out a gun related act to perpetrate the agenda. The gov't will be the only one with guns creating the inevitable police state that these bankers want. They already destroyed our financial privacy with the war on terror excuse after 9/11 and now once they get rid of all our guns, the new world order will almost be complete. If 9/11 truly was about being safe from terror, why didn't we close all of our borders immediately? Instead we pass intrusive laws to destroy our privacy in more ways than I can count. Hmm.
Within the next 100-200 years we will all be micro chipped and all cash will also cease to exist. Everything that you do in life will be tracked by the chip and all privacy will be permanently destroyed. Wake up kids, this is an ongoing hit on American's rights. America is the last country in the world with freedom thanks to the brilliant Constitution in place, but because everyone is so uneducated and no one knows anything about our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions etc, our Constitution will soon cease to exist as well as whatever freedom we still have.
Oh, good grief. This is just silly. This was in NO way some conspiracy from anti-gun radicals.
However, the faCT that you think it plausible, should make a very obvious point.
We do,indeed, need gun control.
Quote: ZenKinGThis was a hit on American's rights. Just think about it for a second. Don't you think if all these psycho's main goals were to kill loads of people, they wouldn't just have thrown grenades into a crowd or done massive explosions in a highly populated area? Why is it always gun related?
Its not always gun related
OKC bombing
168 killed, 640 wounded
Quote: beachbumbabsOh, good grief. This is just silly. This was in NO way some conspiracy from anti-gun radicals.
However, the faCT that you think it plausible, should make a very obvious point.
We do,indeed, need gun control.
Prove it wasnt. You can't. The fact that you and others completely eliminate the possibility says a lot as well especially with all that has happened in the past 2 decades as well as the past century. Seems to me there are many brainwashed citizens these days that believe government has your best interest in mind. Government is basically just a servant of the international bankers. The way it goes is Bankers > government > citizens. And guess what? Since 1913 there has been a major agenda to destroy the Constitution and our rights.
Quote: ZenKinGProve it wasnt. You can't.
You're asking her to prove a negative, which is impossible.
Sorry, boyo: you make the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU.
Prove it or STFU.
Quote: MrVYou're asking her to prove a negative, which is impossible.
Sorry, boyo: you make the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU.
Prove it or STFU.
How can I prove it, if casino never shows me the cards? That's also proving a negative is it not?
Re: aluminum foil hats for the Z-rays. Its no use. Absolutely no use.
Re; Mark Fuhrman and his cohorts. They guy is a jerk. That he is a racist jerk might bother some, I'm more bothered by the jerkdom.
ReL Hard Drive. This ain't Italy. When that unlucky and too naïve girl from Seattle, Foxy Knoxy, had her computer seized the Italian 'experts' blanked the hard drive that would have revealed all the friendly emails between Foxy Knoxy and the dead roommate. Claimed it was an accident. Experts!! Fuhrman ain't no expert. Hard drives can be internal or external but even an internal one is removable with relative ease. No cop is going to tamper with the machine in the room. Its clone it and lug it to the workshop. Ain't no way the hard drive was "lost" particularly since that hurts not helps the cops. Shooter knew his machine would be analyzed so he ditched the richest ore and left only a shell that would handle the video set up.
Quote: NokTangMeanwhile...on FOX News a day or so ago, guests were Mark Furman and another former detective from Las Vegas. Regarding the missing laptop hard-drive, the implication was by the host the police lost it. I'd never heard that..I assumed the killer removed it and tossed it some place or burnt it etc.. Anyone of you folks who read more on t his topic than I seen a more detailed story about the missing hard-drive? Thanks.
This guy planned well enough, that if he wanted to make sure his hard drive was found, he'd probably leave not just his computer, but backups of the data -- probably sent off to news organizations.
I assume it's more likely he didn't want it found.
Unless he planned some sort of postmortem communication that will show up in the future --- don't they have some after-death communication services you can purchase? He could still deliver a message some day. If they allow anonymous purchase, might never be discovered until delivered.
He wanted some weapons near his main firing position and some near his last stand with swat position.
I think that security guard made him start firing before he had everything set.
He may have felt that different sounds from the various weapons would make swat think there were multiple shooters in the room and therefore assemble more swat members before trying to gain entry.
Also there are many people online who claim they had friends in other hotels say they heard gun shots and that there were multiple shooters. Im aware some people on this forum said dealers were hiding under the tables and locking up chip trays etc. Did anyone hear gunshots in other hotels that same night? Im convinced there were multiple shooters all over town and some of them ended up getting away and casinos are covering it up.
It's also no coincidence ive been getting my ass handed to me in blackjack ever since the shooting. Casinos are really cutting back now and cheating as much as they can to recoup from the loss of customers.
Quote: ZenKinGSimple, because these wealthy banksters who are the true rulers of this country want to abolish the right to bear arms and hope they can scare Congress into passing some legislation to do so.
These elite bankers who secretly rule the country aren't very powerful if they've been in charge for centuries and they still can't simply just ban anything they want to and instead have to resort to multiple overly complicated conspiracy theories in an attempt to pass even the simplest of laws.
Quote:Don't you think if all these psycho's main goals were to kill loads of people, they wouldn't just have thrown grenades into a crowd or done massive explosions in a highly populated area? Why is it always gun related?
Because guns are exponentially easier to get a hold of and use by the average crazy person.
Quote:The gov't will be the only one with guns creating the inevitable police state that these bankers want.
Why on earth would bankers want a police state?
Quote: ZenKinGWhere is the video footage of him going to and from his room, checking in, etc before all of this happened?
Where SHOULD it be?
Quote:Or is Mandalay trying to prevent or stall more incoming lawsuits?
Probably. A billion dollar company serving tens of thousands of people a day is at the center of the largest mass shooting in U.S. history. I bet their lawyers are working double overtime, at least.
This will be the opportunity for plaintiffs to provide the necessary legal citation to authorities to support their liability claims.
I suspect the suits will be dismissed early on, leading to many appeals being filed, and the whole thing winding its way through the appellate system.
Quote: ZenKinGWhere is the video footage of him going to and from his room, checking in, etc before all of this happened? This whole thing just screams a false flag. Or is Mandalay trying to prevent or stall more incoming lawsuits?
Also there are many people online who claim they had friends in other hotels say they heard gun shots and that there were multiple shooters. Im aware some people on this forum said dealers were hiding under the tables and locking up chip trays etc. Did anyone hear gunshots in other hotels that same night? Im convinced there were multiple shooters all over town and some of them ended up getting away and casinos are covering it up.
It's also no coincidence ive been getting my ass handed to me in blackjack ever since the shooting. Casinos are really cutting back now and cheating as much as they can to recoup from the loss of customers.
You think people were being shot on casino floors and it was covered up? How would that work?
I was at CP. There was just a panic as news of the shooting arrived. People started shouting "shooter!" and everyone ran or hid under tables or whatever.
(Actually, like 20 people were killed but CP paid everyone who saw it to keep quiet. That's just between you and me though.)
Quote: RigondeauxYou think people were being shot on casino floors and it was covered up? How would that work?
I was at CP. There was just a panic as news of the shooting arrived. People started shouting "shooter!" and everyone ran or hid under tables or whatever.
(Actually, like 20 people were killed but CP paid everyone who saw it to keep quiet. That's just between you and me though.)
That certainly explains those new found riches.
Quote: RSAin't no one know if he crazy or normal. He could have been cool, calm, and collected while orchestrating everything.....or he could have had voices in his head, visual hallucinations, and whatever else crazy people experience....or anything in between.
Granted he could have done the deed calm, collected and cool till death, but I doubt most of society would consider him normal, no matter how cool he was.
Quote: ZenKinGThis was an inside job done by the wealthy international elite bankers who are the true rulers of this country and the world. It's that simple. These elite bankers have been trying to destroy American's rights for over a century now dating back to 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was passed, which was the turning point that basically destroyed this country's wealth and caused massive inflation turning the country from being the wealthiest and strongest nation in the world to the worlds biggest debtor.
This was a hit on American's rights. Just think about it for a second. Don't you think if all these psycho's main goals were to kill loads of people, they wouldn't just have thrown grenades into a crowd or done massive explosions in a highly populated area? Why is it always gun related? Simple, because these wealthy banksters who are the true rulers of this country want to abolish the right to bear arms and hope they can scare Congress into passing some legislation to do so. This would lead to having all innocent americans without any way to protect themselves. The result would be only the gov't as well as the supposed 'crazies' having guns and innocent Americans left for dead. That's if these 'crazies' even exist, because I believe these people are actually instructed by elite insiders to carry out a gun related act to perpetrate the agenda. The gov't will be the only one with guns creating the inevitable police state that these bankers want. They already destroyed our financial privacy with the war on terror excuse after 9/11 and now once they get rid of all our guns, the new world order will almost be complete. If 9/11 truly was about being safe from terror, why didn't we close all of our borders immediately? Instead we pass intrusive laws to destroy our privacy in more ways than I can count. Hmm.
Within the next 100-200 years we will all be micro chipped and all cash will also cease to exist. Everything that you do in life will be tracked by the chip and all privacy will be permanently destroyed. Wake up kids, this is an ongoing hit on American's rights. America is the last country in the world with freedom thanks to the brilliant Constitution in place, but because everyone is so uneducated and no one knows anything about our Constitution and Supreme Court decisions etc, our Constitution will soon cease to exist as well as whatever freedom we still have.
The only thing I agree with in your entire conspiracy laced message is this :
"" These elite bankers have been trying to destroy American's rights for over a century now dating back to 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was passed, which was the turning point that basically destroyed this country's wealth and caused massive inflation turning the country from being the wealthiest and strongest nation in the world to the worlds biggest debtor. "" The federal reserve is a privately owned consortium of the richest men in the world from London, Europe and America and the one thing they knew and created with the fed res was the prison of debt, for they knew and know 'thee that controls the debt owns the debtor'. It was the owners of those banks that made slaves of our country and every country they 'guarantee to help with their dirty loans. Tjhe new world order does exist. It's not an accident the fed res controls the rates to move the debt any way they want.
Everything else just seems like too much work for the elitists. They've proven they're content to sit on it for decades and let us rot in debt. The gun thing is just too way out there and whomever is in power doesn't need to scare any politicians when the easy way for a century is to just buy them.
I don't think this whole tragedy is any thing bigger than the shooter and his own world, now dead.
Quote: rxwineThis guy planned well enough, that if he wanted to make sure his hard drive was found, he'd probably leave not just his computer, but backups of the data -- probably sent off to news organizations.
I assume it's more likely he didn't want it found.
Unless he planned some sort of postmortem communication that will show up in the future --- don't they have some after-death communication services you can purchase? He could still deliver a message some day. If they allow anonymous purchase, might never be discovered until delivered.
Yea, it's called the cloud.
Quote: ZenKinGProve it wasnt. You can't. The fact that you and others completely eliminate the possibility says a lot as well especially with all that has happened in the past 2 decades as well as the past century. Seems to me there are many brainwashed citizens these days that believe government has your best interest in mind. Government is basically just a servant of the international bankers. The way it goes is Bankers > government > citizens. And guess what? Since 1913 there has been a major agenda to destroy the Constitution and our rights.
Isn't there a new world order board on WOV? Because you're way off topic on this I think, or at least you're headed that way. I would discuss it with you on another board however.
Quote: TigerWuWhere SHOULD it be?
Probably. A billion dollar company serving tens of thousands of people a day is at the center of the largest mass shooting in U.S. history. I bet their lawyers are working double overtime, at least.
And the lawyers are the only ones going to get rich out of all this. Think about the insurance battles as well.
Quote: ZenKinGWhere is the video footage of him going to and from his room, checking in, etc before all of this happened? This whole thing just screams a false flag. Or is Mandalay trying to prevent or stall more incoming lawsuits?
Also there are many people online who claim they had friends in other hotels say they heard gun shots and that there were multiple shooters. Im aware some people on this forum said dealers were hiding under the tables and locking up chip trays etc. Did anyone hear gunshots in other hotels that same night? Im convinced there were multiple shooters all over town and some of them ended up getting away and casinos are covering it up.
It's also no coincidence ive been getting my ass handed to me in blackjack ever since the shooting. Casinos are really cutting back now and cheating as much as they can to recoup from the loss of customers.
Smh. You have zero credibility now
Quote: sammydvI don't think this whole tragedy is any thing bigger than the shooter and his own world, now dead.
That's what they want you to think!
Did anyone ever see anything but a pair of legs and shoes in that one picture?.
Maybe that's all of the body there ever was??
Maybe it was mannequin legs???
Yes????
It's important to increase the number of question marks?????
??????
What??????Quote: rxwineThat's what they want you to think!
Did anyone ever see anything but a pair of legs and shoes in that one picture?.
Maybe that's all of the body there ever was??
Maybe it was mannequin legs???
Yes????
It's important to increase the number of question marks?????
??????
What mannequin legs????????
Have you seen the shooters self inflicted headshot yet??????????
I did. Messy.
Unless of course some elitist special ops troops held him standing up and fired the shot. Or two???????????
Who's they????????????
Quote: sammydvAnd the lawyers are the only ones going to get rich out of all this. Think about the insurance battles as well.
The platoons of lawyers who will represent MGM are not inhouse counsel or privately retained by MGM; they are hired by their insurance carrier(s).
Assuming MGM has good insurance, this litigation should not affect their bottom line unless somehow liability is found and verdicts well in excess of available insurance coverage results from it, in which case bankruptcy / liquidation could be on the horizon (but I believe that will never happen).
The damages are seemingly limitless: so much compensation needed, yet not a potentially liable deep pocket to be had.
